here we go again with the cbc's feminist misandry machine;


Accused Merritt killer doubted son was his
Last Updated: Thursday, October 22, 2009 | 4:04 PM PT Comments23Recommend69CBC News
Allan Schoenborn began testifying Wednesday at his trial on three charges of first-degree murder. (RCMP)
A B.C. man accused of killing his three children last year testified Thursday that he harboured doubts that his youngest son was his.

Allan Dwayne Schoenborn was charged with three counts of first-degree murder after the bodies of the children — Kaitlynne, 10, Max, 8, and Cordon, 5 — were found by their mother in their home in the southwestern Interior town of Merritt in April 2008.

Schoenborn has pleaded not guilty and his lawyers are arguing that he is mentally ill.

The Crown is trying to prove Schoenborn guilty of deliberately killing his children to punish his estranged common-law wife Darcie Clarke.

Under cross-examination Thursday, Crown prosecutor Glenn Kelt asked Schoenborn about his thoughts that Clarke had been unfaithful.

"Because of those thoughts about Darcie, did that ever lead you to doubt the paternity of your children?" Kelt asked.

"Sometimes," replied Schoenborn, "but I'd see the cut of Kaitlynne's teeth and be reassured.... The likeness between Max and Kaitlynne ... they're so alike ... so that reassured me about Max."

Told wife about doubts
He said it was harder to accept Cordon as his son.

"Did you express these doubts to Darcie?" asked Kelt.

Darcie Clarke found her three children dead in the mobile home where they lived. Their father, Schoenborn, is facing three counts of first-degree murder. (Family photo)
"Yes," said Schoenborn.

Kelt also asked Schoenborn how he felt about being separated from his family.

A court order from the B.C. Ministry of Children and Family Development allowed either of the parents to be with the children, but not at the same time.

Schoenborn told the court he didn't trust anyone at the ministry and he didn't like the way some of them treated him. He said he was fed up and angry.

"It doesn't make sense," said Schoenborn. "You don't divide a family and say we're working for your benefit."

On Wednesday, Schoenborn described in court how he killed his three children.

Kim Robinson, who found Schoenborn following a 10-day hunt after the children's bodies were found, testified Wednesday the accused told him he had killed his children "to save them from a life of humility."

Robinson told the court he wished someone had been there to hear it as well, because he didn't understand.

It was at that point that a visibly upset Schoenborn said loudly in the courtroom: "You wanna have that conversation now?"

The trial is expected to last three more weeks.


lotsa comments allowed--especially any of them that villify this guy

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/10/22/bc-schoenborn-murder-trial.html?ref=rss



then of course we have this;

Jury at triple murder trial asks to review testimony
Last Updated: Thursday, October 22, 2009 | 3:45 PM ET
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A jury deliberating the fate of a Quebec woman accused of murdering her three children has asked to review nearly 19 hours of testimony.

The 11-person jury made the request on Thursday at the Saguenay courthouse, where Cathie Gauthier is standing trial on three counts of first-degree murder.

Jurors asked Judge Jean-Claude Beaulieu whether they could relisten to testimony given by Gauthier, as well as that of her best friend, Kathie Ouellet. They also want to review testimony from Dr. Marie-Fréderique Allard, a psychiatrist for the defence, and Sylvain Faucher, a psychiatrist acting as an expert witness for the Crown.

The testimony covers about three and a half days of court proceedings.

Gauthier, 35, is accused of concocting a murder-suicide pact with her husband Marc Laliberté that took place on New Year's Eve in their rented bungalow in Chicoutimi, a borough of Saguenay.

The mother of three placed a frantic call to 911 more than a day after the children's deaths. Authorities found the bodies of her three children in the house: Joëlle, 12, Marc-Ange, 7, and Louis-Phillipe, 4.

Laliberté was also found dead.

Autopsy reports concluded the children died of a mix of prescription drugs and Gravol, an over-the-counter anti-nausea medication.

Gauthier’s defence has argued she only found out about the suicide pact a few hours before it unfolded, and didn’t believe her husband would go through with it.

The Crown contends Gauthier was an architect of the pact, and purchased the prescription medication found in the children’s bodies. The jury has three verdict options: acquittal, guilty of first-degree murder, or guilty of second-degree murder.

Once the jury was sequestered, some details protected by a publication ban were released to the public, including Gauthier's attempted suicide in May.

She tried to take her life by overdosing on prescription pills while living in a transition home in Saguenay.

She was sent to jail after the attempt to protect her life.

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...-saguenay.html

and when it comes to a woman who kills her kids-title of this thread says it all

my comment on the first story that will not be posted;

again-with the trial by media bias and public flogging of a man-yet in this other story about a woman http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/10/22/quebec-gauthier-saguenay.html who is accused of killing her 3 children there are never any comments allowed-he is a killer and she is a victim--

and all the thumbs down i have for my last post-people can't see the truth of whats happening here?

Schoenborn verdict expected Monday
Last Updated: Monday, February 22, 2010 | 6:56 AM PT Comments46Recommend16CBC News
Allan Schoenborn has admitted killing his children, 10-year-old Kaitlynne, eight-year-old Max and five-year-old Cordon, who were found slain in their mobile home in Merritt, B.C. (CBC)
The B.C. Supreme Court is expected to decide Monday whether a man who admitted killing his three children in Merritt should face life in prison.

The fate of Allan Dwayne Schoenborn, 41, who has been tried on three counts of first-degree murder, is in the hands of B.C. Supreme Court Judge Robert Powers. Powers heard the case without a jury during the three-month trial in Kamloops.

Powers is expected to decide whether Schoenborn was driven by mental illness or more sinister motives when he stabbed his 10-year-old daughter to death and smothered his eight- and five-year-old sons, whose bodies were found in their mobile home in Merritt in April 2008.

The deaths shocked the small ranching community of Merritt, located about 270 kilometres northeast of Vancouver.

Defence lawyers argued that Schoenborn should not be held criminally responsible for the deaths because he is mentally ill.

The Crown, however, said the killings were an act of revenge against Schoenborn's estranged partner for refusing to renew her relationship with him.

Allan Schoenborn pleaded not guilty to three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of his children. (CBC)
Both the Crown and the defence had psychiatrists testify about Schoenborn's mental state leading up to and during the slayings.

The defence expert cited Schoenborn's history of schizophrenia and said he was delusional when he killed his children.

The Crown's psychiatrist agreed the defendant suffered from mental illness but said it was not possible to tell whether he was of sound mind the night of the killings.


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of course a couple of ppl turn this into a "violence against women" spin-in the comments section;

outdoors wrote;
good ol' cbc--of course they would let this story open for a public hanging of a messed up man. yet if it was a woman that did the same thing-the public would not get to comment and the mental illness defence would be a default-not to mention that the article would say something along the lines of-"she was a good mother"

farnorth55
It matters not whether Schoenborn was driven by mental illness or a more sinister motive, he stabbed his daughter and smothered his two sons, he deserves at the least life in prison.

I find it odd that he stabbed is 10 year-old daughter but smothered the boys, he seems to be driven to unthinkable violence toward the female gender, it speaks to something.

DaveintheBay
Re-read farnorth55's post again people. There is a very large nugget of info in there to take away.
The facts are that he "peacefully" smothered (If one can really be "peacefully" smothered) his two male children, and violently stabbed to death his daughter.
If this doesn't draw a direct line to how he feels about the female gender, nothing ever would. You couldn't get a stronger diagnosis from a known case study.
Yes this guy is nuts, scary nuts. And I'd be worried shitless if I were a female anywhere in his circle.
Mentally ill or not, he doesn't deserve to see either a sunrise, or sunset while free.

outdoors wrote;
two boys dead,one girl dead-yet ppl are spinning this story into a 'violence against women" ordeal

grow up.

Quote from outdoors

again we have two stories of child murder,of course comments are only allowed in the trial by media against the MAN;

Mom accused of killing her 3 kids blames dead husband

Last Updated: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 | 8:39 PM ET

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Cathie Gauthier, 35, is shown being escorted from court earlier this month. (Jacques Boissinot/Canadian Press) A Quebec woman charged with murdering her three children took the stand Tuesday and blamed her husband for an alleged suicide pact.
Cathie Gauthier, 35, said her husband, Marc Laliberté, told her they had no choice but to "all leave together."
Laliberté and the couple's three children were found dead in their Saguenay, Que., home on Jan. 2.
Gauthier testified that she thought her husband had abandoned the plan until she woke up next to her dead children with her wrist cut open.
Gauthier is the lone survivor of what the Crown says was a murder-suicide pact. She has been charged with three counts of first-degree murder.
Gauthier who has pleaded not guilty to the charges, took the witness box in a Saguenay court dressed in a brown wool suit and spoke with difficulty, crying frequently.
She told the jury her husband had changed in the months leading up to his death.
Gauthier described her children — Joëlle,12, Marc-Ange, seven, and four-year-old Louis-Philippe — as intelligent and happy.
She told the jury her family meant everything to her.
Gauthier said she and her husband moved from Amos, Que., to Chicoutimi, a borough of Saguenay, about 200 kilometres north of Quebec City, last year. They moved there to be closer to Laliberté's dying mother and because Gauthier had been psychologically and sexually harassed by a neighbour in Amos, she told the court.
Gauthier said Laliberté could not find work in Saguenay and insisted on living in a house that was too expensive for them because he wanted the best for his family.
But, she said, the financial stress was taking a toll, and he became impatient with their children.
Still, she said, he decided to give them what she called a normal Christmas, with lots of gifts, instead of paying the rent.
Gauthier also testified she spent a few days away from Laliberté, even telling him that she was thinking about separating.
She said he told her she could leave but that she would never get custody of the children. Gauthier said things between them were never the same after that.
Her trial is expected to last until the end of October.

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...le-murder.html


'I thought they were being molested:' father of slain kids

Schoenborn accused of smothering sons, stabbing daughter in Merritt, B.C.

Last Updated: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 | 6:40 PM PT Comments216Recommend163

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Allan Schoenborn has pleaded not guilty to three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of his children in Merritt, B.C., in 2008. (CBC) A father charged with the first-degree murder of his three children in Merritt, B.C., said he killed them because he "thought they were being molested," according to an audiotaped conversation played during his trial Wednesday.
The statement was heard in a secretly recorded conversation between the children's mother, Darcie Clarke, and the father, Allan Schoenborn. The taping, arranged by police without Schoenborn's knowledge, took place at a jailhouse meeting.
The case drew national attention when the children were found dead in Clarke's trailer home in April 2008 — in part because Schoenborn led police on a nine-day search before he was captured by a hunter in the hills near the southwestern Interior community.
Schoenborn is on trial on allegations he smothered his sons, aged eight and five, and fatally stabbed his 10-year-old daughter.
Schoenborn gave Clarke the explanation after she repeatedly asked him why he killed the children.
"I thought they were being molested," Schoenborn is heard saying on the tape.
He promised Clarke he didn't torture the children, but said the killings weren't quick because he didn't know what he was doing.
"It came in one big flood. There was nothing I could do about it if I tried," he said.
The court did not hear why Schoenborn believed his children were being molested, or whom he thought was responsible.
Clarke sobbed as she spoke of returning to her home to find the cold bodies of Max, aged eight, and Cordon, five, curled up on a couch, and then Kaitlynn, 10, in her bedroom wrapped in her favourite blanket, dead from stab wounds.
She said she recalled screaming, "No, no, no, it's not happening. It's not real," as she went from one dead child to another.
Crown says motive was revenge

Clarke testified the murders happened the day after she told Schoenborn their marriage was over.
Clarke also said that she and Schoenborn saw each other several times on the day before the killings and he appeared depressed and sad about their not being together — but nothing he said or did that weekend made her fear for the safety of her kids.
Darcie Clarke's three children, 10-year-old Kaitlynne, eight-year-old Max and five-year-old Cordon, were found slain in their trailer home. (CBC) Schoenborn was staying with their children in Clarke's trailer while Clarke stayed at her mother's place, much as they had done on other occasions when he came up from Vancouver to visit, she testified.
The Crown alleges the murders were an act of revenge against Clarke.
Testimony at the trial last week also suggested Schoenborn may have tried to commit suicide in the trailer, but decided to flee — leading police on the long chase.
With files from The Canadian Press

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They have block the coments page, I can't even see what coments have been made about this poor man

They have block the coments page, I can't even see what coments have been made about this poor man

i have no prob with this link;

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...sixzz0gHNyQR2l

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They have block the coments page, I can't even see what coments have been made about this poor man

I can't believe you refer to him as a 'poor man'... he is a child killer - not a poor man. There is no excuse for killing children, male or female - it's wrong, period. He doesn't deserve to be spat on - let alone sympathised with. And neither does a female who kills innocent children.

Quote from Marx

I can't believe you refer to him as a 'poor man'... he is a child killer - not a poor man. There is no excuse for killing children, male or female - it's wrong, period. He doesn't deserve to be spat on - let alone sympathised with. And neither does a female who kills innocent children.

From what I read about him he's nutso, I agree killing kids is just so worng but if the guy's nuts and I mean really fucking insane and I mean INSANE as in he's a raving loony then ya I can garner a small amount of pity but if he did this evil deen in cold blood then fry his ass

Schoenborn 'not criminally responsible' for murders

Father was insane when he killed 3 children, judge finds

Last Updated: Monday, February 22, 2010 | 7:50 PM PT Comments568Recommend138

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Allan Schoenborn admitted killing his children, 10-year-old Kaitlynne, eight-year-old Max and five-year-old Cordon, who were found slain in their mobile home in Merritt, B.C. (CBC) A Merritt, B.C., father who admitted killing his three children has been found guilty of first-degree murder in their deaths but not criminally responsible for the slayings.
Allan Schoenborn pleaded not guilty to the charges but acknowledged slaying his 10-year-old daughter and two sons, aged eight and five, in April 2008 at a Merritt trailer that was the home of the children and his estranged wife.
The pivotal issue in the trial was Schoenborn's state of mind at the time of the killings. His lawyer argued he was insane and therefore not criminally responsible, while the Crown said he was sane and murdered his children out of revenge against his ex-wife, who had spurned his pleas to renew their relationship.
B.C. Supreme Court Justice Robert Powers, who heard the three-month trial in Kamloops without a jury, found that the killings were deliberate and planned by Schoenborn, but that he was not sane at the time.
"I find on balance of probabilities he was suffering from a disease of the mind," Powers told the court Monday.
Powers rejected the Crown's assertion that Schoenborn killed his children as revenge against their mother.
"I find it unlikely [he] would have killed his children out of anger given the close and caring relationship he had with his children," said Powers.
"Mr. Schoenborn, if anything, was overprotective. The irony is that the real danger to the children was Mr. Schoenborn himself and none of the dangers that he imagined in his mind."
But Powers said Schoenborn's imaginary fears can't justify his crime.
"Any reasonable or rational person would know that was wrong," he said. "However, due to his psychosis at the time he was not able to make that decision."
Schoenborn spoke out twice during Powers's reading of his judgment, saying only, "bullshit."
Powers said Schoenborn must appear before the British Columbia Review Board within 90 days to determine where he will be held.
Outside court, Schoenborn's defence lawyer, Peter Wilson, called the verdict "the right result."
"It shows the system works," Wilson said. "It's clear Mr. Schoenborn was mentally ill. He loved his children. What he did didn't make any sense. He loved them."
The trial heard defence claims that Schoenborn, 41, believed it was his duty to kill the children to protect them from sexual abuse. No evidence was presented to suggest they were being abused.
Psychiatrists testified

Both the Crown and defence brought in psychiatrists to testify. The defence expert said Schoenborn was delusional when he killed the children while the Crown psychiatrist said it was impossible to tell precisely what his state of mind was.
The children's mother, Darcie Clarke, sobbed as she testified about returning to her home to find the cold bodies of Max, aged eight, and Cordon, five, curled up on a couch, and then Kaitlynn, 10, in her bedroom wrapped in her favourite blanket, dead from stab wounds.
Allan Schoenborn pleaded not guilty to three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of his children. (CBC) After the slayings, Schoenborn led police on a nine-day pursuit before he was captured by a hunter in the hills near the southwestern Interior community.
Clarke was fitted with voice-recording equipment by police when she asked Schoenborn in a private jailhouse meeting with him why he had killed their children.
"I thought they were being molested," the court heard Schoenborn saying on the recording.
He promised Clarke he didn't torture the children, but said the killings weren't quick because he didn't know what he was doing.
"It came in one big flood. There was nothing I could do about it if I tried," he said.



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I can't believe you refer to him as a 'poor man'... he is a child killer - not a poor man. There is no excuse for killing children, male or female - it's wrong, period. He doesn't deserve to be spat on - let alone sympathised with. And neither does a female who kills innocent children.

i hope u don't think anyone would sympathise for a child killer-male or female-but i do agree with kargan that this is one messed up dude in serious need of help

the title of this thread-is really what i wanted to point out--the cbc let this guy be the subject of a public hanging in the comment sections on every article done-rarely is this allowed when women do the same type of crime.

Dad who killed three kids seeks supervised leave

Schoenborn killed his three children in April 2008 while he was in a psychotic state, a judge ruled in Feb 2010. (RCMP)The B.C. man who was found not criminally responsible for murdering his three children wants to be allowed supervised visits away from the hospital where he has been under psychiatric care since his trial.

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Dad who killed three kids seeks supervised leave - British Columbia - CBC News

B.C. father who killed 3 kids gets escorted leave

Schoenborn 'not criminally responsible' for murders

The B.C. father found not criminally responsible for killing his three children has been granted escorted leave from the psychiatric hospital where he is confined.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/04/06/schoenborn-review-bc.html

and...of course..comments are OPEN,cbc loves trial by media.

Allan Schoenborn requests move to Manitoba

The B.C. man found not criminally responsible for killing his three children in Merritt in 2008 has requested a move to Manitoba, as his fourth review hearing gets underway at the Colony Farm Psychiatric Hospital in Port Coquitlam.
It is believed Schoenborn wishes to move to Winnipeg to be closer to his mother. His treatment team and the Crown support the move but the B.C. Review Board has reserved its decision.
Allan Schoenborn has had three review hearings so far and each time his former wife and her family have said they are fearful he will be released.
Under existing laws, Schoenborn is entitled to an annual hearing before the B.C. Review Board at the hospital he now calls home.
In 2011, the review board ruled he should be eligible for escorted visits in Port Coquitlam, near his former wife's home in Coquitlam, but the decision was reversed following widespread community outrage.

Lots more....
Allan Schoenborn requests move to Manitoba - British Columbia - CBC News