Marriage may be grand but divorce is 100 grand.

Implications people....if all women are whores, all men are johns.

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Good point!

You're guaranteed feral children if they're raised in a single mother household!

Ah so this explains why you are the way you are!

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Implications people....if all women are whores, all men are johns.

Maybe..............


I personally have no faith in humanity where all I see is humanity's inhumanity towards each other.

I personally find people's behavior towards each other to be disgusting but at the same time I also know that there is nothing that can be done about it.

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Maybe..............


I personally have no faith in humanity where all I see is humanity's inhumanity towards each other.

I personally find people's behavior towards each other to be disgusting but at the same time I also know that there is nothing that can be done about it.

I feel that way too, sometimes...a lot actually...but I believe what is written in my signature below. Don't take it from me ..take it form Albert....

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What a sad lot, this crowd....advocating prostitutes to a young man who is frustrated with women. That'll fix him, won't it? Sure it will.

Tell you what Finrir, don't just take these guys' word for it....do yourself a favor and take a survey on this subject with a larger population and see what you come up with. And maybe while you're doing that, try a cross-section of the population rather than surveying a relatively small group of embittered angry people...the survey might be more valid that way.

You might even consider talking to a clergyman or counselor..heck maybe even a dad or uncle or two.....

Maybe talk to some people who've been married a long time- happily- and see what they might have to say.

You're not alone with your observations or your frustrations...but there are healthy people to listen to and there are those who offer advice that might make the problem worse instead of better.

I hope that despite your frustrations you can tell the difference.

What a sad lot, this crowd....advocating prostitutes to a young man who is frustrated with women. That'll fix him, won't it? Sure it will.

In my opinion all relationships of the sexual nature anymore has become nothing more than just another kind of prostitution given our monetarized existence where money has become the higest value of the land and indeed for the world.

( It has become a inescapable part of this postmodern existence of ours.)

Tell you what Finrir, don't just take these guys' word for it....do yourself a favor and take a survey on this subject with a larger population and see what you come up with. And maybe while you're doing that, try a cross-section of the population rather than surveying a relatively small group of embittered angry people...the survey might be more valid that way.

I need no survey on the subject considering I have personal expirience with women from which my views derive not to mention evolutionary psychology is on my side.

You might even consider talking to a clergyman or counselor..heck maybe even a dad or uncle or two.....

A. I'm a atheist.
B. I think therapeutic counseling along with psychiatry to be nothing more than bullshit that is expoused by those who wish to socially engineer people which is highly favored by governments and social economists.

C. My family even though I like them are a unintelligent bunch.

Maybe talk to some people who've been married a long time- happily- and see what they might have to say.

I have never met a happily married couple.

You're not alone with your observations or your frustrations...but there are healthy people to listen to and there are those who offer advice that might make the problem worse instead of better.

Interesting duality and, who exactly is the more healthier to listen to?

I hope that despite your frustrations you can tell the difference.

Define the difference for me.

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Maybe..........

Maybe? If you say such things you certainly can´t claim the moral highground

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Maybe? If you say such things you certainly can´t claim the moral highground

Well that's certainly easy for me considering I don't believe in morals or ethics in that I view the world to be amoral.

( I claim no moral highground.)

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The truth is, there is absolutely no logic left in going for traditional, conservative, monogamous relationships.

--> If I want affection, respect, feelings of mutual understanding I get it from super close male friends (and once gender transition happens, from female friends)
--> If I want sex, I get it from a hot female friend

The old notion of those 2 having to come from just one person who is the opposite gender than you, is a faulty notion used to opress both genders. The whole marriage/relationship conservative institutions force you to get all your needs met from one person, and dump everything else in your life so that you be a good little worker bee.

We've outevolved relationships. The current "relationships" are not but a desperate attempt to make a dead thing work. We're slowly evolving to there being no distinctions between friendships and relationships. The only difference between your male and your female friends is that you have sex with some of your female friends.

The truth is, there is absolutely no logic left in going for traditional, conservative, monogamous relationships.

While I don't believe in the concepts or traditions of marriage I still believe in monogamy.

( I just can't ever see myself becoming polygamous or having a multitude of partners.)

( I'm not against it in that I understand other people's appeal towards it, it's that it just isn't for me in that I tend to get personally involved and invested within people when I have been in relationships.)

There are plenty of animal species beyond homo sapiens that mate for life.

( And the reason monogamy is evolutionary is because for one reason it lessens your chances of catching a transmitted disease not to mention the support framework of it that guarantees the survival of your offspring should you have some.)

I believe in finding a woman and living with her especially if there was children involved where there is devotion to each other just without the marriage aspect of it all.

( I guess you might call that cohabitating.)

( Why I'm not in a relationship now is because of variety of reasons but most important is because I have never met a woman as of yet to be trustworthy.)

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In my opinion all relationships of the sexual nature anymore has become nothing more than just another kind of prostitution given our monetarized existence where money has become the higest value of the land and indeed for the world.

( It has become inescapable part of this postmodern existence of ours.)



I need no survey on the subject considering I have personal expirience with women from which my views derive not to mention evolutionary psychology is on my side.




A. I'm a atheist.
B. I think therapeutic counseling along with psychiatry to be nothing more than bullshit that is expoused by those who wish to socially engineer people which is highly favored by governments and social economists.

C. My family even though I like them are a unintelligent bunch.






I have never met a happily married couple.




Interesting duality and, who exactly is the more healthier to listen to?



Define the difference for me.

To take your personal experiences and generalize them in such a way is a cognitive shortcut...and a potentially faulty one. Any time we take cognitive shortcuts we set ourselves up for faulty conclusions. We all do it, to one degree or another. There are many types of shortcuts..maybe I'll post more on this later. It's an interesting subject. Even very intelligent persons use these shortcuts with equally faulty results. It's human nature to take the path of least resistance in most matters- including matters of the mind. (Interestingly, it is psychologists who fancy studying this phenomena.)

You say you have no respect for the views of psychologists but you subscribe to the theories of evolutionary psychology? Who do you think came up with that stuff?

You've never met a happily married couple and your family you appear to have ambivalence toward....

...you say you are an atheist.....are you a spiritual person? (There is a difference between religion and spirituality.)

I think I see now where your bitterness comes from.

I hope you get a chance to expand your world view a bit.

Of course this will take a certain level of openmindedness and willingness on your part.

It's sad to think you'd choose to stay amidst the negativity your encasing yourself with.

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Maybe? If you say such things you certainly can´t claim the moral highground

What's pathetic is that we men that have similar core beliefs, similar needs, and similar problems (in regards to antimisandry) yet fight each other.


Our disagreements aren't as important as our problems are. Our problems are bigger than we are and we will have to have an united front if we wish to decimate the forces that work against us.


If given the choice, I'd rather work with someone with the same goals and different views than to work with someone with the same views but different goals but I'm only one man.

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To take your personal experiences and generalize them in such a way is a cognitive shortcut...and a potentially faulty one. Any time we take cognitive shortcuts we set ourselves up for faulty conclusions. We all do it, to one degree or another. There are many types of shortcuts..maybe I'll post more on this later. It's an interesting subject. Even very intelligent persons use these shortcuts with equally faulty results. It's human nature to take the path of least resistance in most matters- including matters of the mind. (Interestingly, it is psychologists who fancy studying this phenomena.)

You say you have no respect for the views of psychologists but you subscribe to the theories of evolutionary psychology? Who do you think came up with that stuff?

You've never met a happily married couple and your family you appear to have ambivalence toward....

...you say you are an atheist.....are you a spiritual person? (There is a difference between religion and spirituality.)

I think I see now where your bitterness comes from.

I hope you get a chance to expand your world view a bit.

Of course this will take a certain level of openmindedness and willingness on your part.

It's sad to think you'd choose to stay amidst the negativity your encasing yourself with.

I'm sensing judgement from you but who exactly are you to judge me?

To take your personal experiences and generalize them in such a way is a cognitive shortcut...and a potentially faulty one.

Are you trying to say my personal expiriences have no real reference or connection to reality?

What exactly is your proof for such an assertion?

Any time we take cognitive shortcuts we set ourselves up for faulty conclusions.

Oh really?................

Well exactly how do we know what is at fault here in the current context of this conversation?

We all do it, to one degree or another. There are many types of shortcuts..maybe I'll post more on this later. It's an interesting subject.

I sure hope you do post more because you got me curious now........

You say you have no respect for the views of psychologists but you subscribe to the theories of evolutionary psychology? Who do you think came up with that stuff?

There is quite a big difference from psychology based in evolution in comparison to other fields of psychology based upon naive idealism.

I tend to respect evolutionary based forms of psychology in comparison to the social engineering approach that revolves around the mental rubbish of idealism.

You've never met a happily married couple

So?

and your family you appear to have ambivalence toward....

I like my family it's just that having a conversation with them is not easy because they are nowhere near my mental level.

...you say you are an atheist.....are you a spiritual person?

Nope. I'm a staunchy materialist and naturalist.

(There is a difference between religion and spirituality.)

Not from my perspective in that to me they are the two different sides of the same coin.

I think I see now where your bitterness comes from.

You have no idea............

I hope you get a chance to expand your world view a bit.

Expand it to where?

Of course this will take a certain level of openmindedness and willingness on your part.

( Laughs.)

It's sad to think you'd choose to stay amidst the negativity your encasing yourself with.

People don't become negative overnight my dear in that they are conditioned towards it.

Another thing....many an intelligent person has thought themselves to a literal death (suicide or reckless self destruction). Sometimes it helps to allow someone in your life to nudge (or in some cases push) you out of your mind (thinking) and into your life (living)...

A way to combat the black dog....

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Another thing....many an intelligent person has thought themselves to a literal death (suicide or reckless self destruction). Sometimes it helps to allow someone in your life to nudge (or in some cases push) you out of your mind (thinking) and into your life (living)...

A way to combat the black dog....

Well I would allow somebody into my life but unfortunate for me I'm not economically viable at the moment. ( Laughs.)

( I'm a bit short on cash to buy myself a group of friends or a nice trophy woman who would sell me her services.)

As for your reference of suicide I have no idea why you are mentioning it in this thread as the subject here is a bit different I do believe but have no fears for I think I would first resort towards homicide before that of suicide if I was pressured to.