Take advice, instead from a 50's era psychologist, yeah, that worked out well for us men for the last 40 years.

Actually 80's to present.

If Hopes are dupes, Fears may be Liars.

Let me point out that there is a legal dimention to the relationship/prostitution issue:

from the string: $100k payout for jilted mistress in Victoria

From news.com.au:


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$100k payout for jilted mistress in Victoria

A CHEATING husband has paid his former lover more than
$100,000 under Australia's new "mistress laws".

In the first known case of its kind in Victoria, the Melbourne
businessman was sued under changes to the Family Law Act
- which gives rights to people in de facto relationships and
same-sex marriages.

Legal experts say the case, prompted by the end of an affair of
more than 20 years, will strike fear into the hearts of philanderers
nationwide.

The woman, who has not been named for legal reasons, said not only did she deserve the money, but others should follow her lead.

"I gave him the best years of my life," she said.

"He always told me he would look after me, then he left me. I had committed myself fully to him for all those years and it just came to a dead end.

"He behaved like a gentleman toward me throughout our relationship - except at the end - and now he has been a gentleman again by doing the right thing.

"I saw our relationship as a loving companionship.

"He got a lot of relaxation away from the stresses of his business life. When he came to me he did not have to worry about business.

"And I provided him with a lot of moral and emotional support.

"So this is also about giving our relationship a validity. It is a recognition that I have added something of value to his life.

"Now I am beginning to come to terms with life again. The money provides me with a security in my later years.

"This law has made a difference for me, so hopefully it will make a difference for others like me."

The lawyer for the woman who took the action said his client "Mary" (not her real name) started the affair with "Tom" (not his real name) more than 20 years ago, with the pair enjoying a close bond throughout the period.

"Many marriages don't last that long," the lawyer said.

Mary accompanied Tom on several overseas and interstate trips and she often joined him at dinner functions.

"They had a mutual commitment to each other and Tom promised he'd look after her. But he was married and still is married."

Though Mary worked and had her own home, Tom also gave her a monthly allowance running into four figures.

The pair - now pension-age - had regular sex and Tom showered her with gifts, the lawyer added. But Tom ended the affair this year.

Mary said she was devastated at being dropped.

Then she learned of the law change and her legal team sent a letter of demand - quoting the new legislation - to the man.

"It settled (out of court) within weeks," her lawyer said.

"If it had not been for this law, my client would have been abandoned, left on the scrap heap.

"This is an acknowledgment that if you are in any substantial relationship, each party has a level of commitment to each other."

The new federal laws for maintenance and division of assets for de facto couples, mistresses and same-sex couples came into effect on March 1 and any disputes are heard by the Family Court or the Federal Magistrates' Court.

The laws give some mistresses, as well as de facto and same-sex couples, the same rights as married couples.

A mistress wanting maintenance or a pay-out had to prove the couple had a long-term relationship, a sexual relationship, financial dependency, a commitment and a public recognition of the relationship, Mary's lawyer said.

and here was my response:

Re: $100k payout for jilted mistress in Victoria
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The key to understanding this is to see through the bulshit and recognize that it is not about "adding validity" to a relationship or "providing public acknowledgement" thereof. It is about money. For some reason when you get into any kind of intimate relationship with a woman and they become to any extent financially dependant on you then you will owe them forever. We are talking about money here people!
In the U.S. there are many states where if you are just a nice guy and let a female friend with kids stay with you for a while than even if you are not having any kind of intimate/sexual relationship you can become the "defacto father." Hence, you will be tagged to pay child support. Yes it is that simple to suck money out of a man.
I have the upmost respect for casual prostitutes! They are at least not conniving. Is not what is described above prostitution?

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The truth is, there is absolutely no logic left in going for traditional, conservative, monogamous relationships.

--> If I want affection, respect, feelings of mutual understanding I get it from super close male friends (and once gender transition happens, from female friends)
--> If I want sex, I get it from a hot female friend

The old notion of those 2 having to come from just one person who is the opposite gender than you, is a faulty notion used to opress both genders. The whole marriage/relationship conservative institutions force you to get all your needs met from one person, and dump everything else in your life so that you be a good little worker bee.

We've outevolved relationships. The current "relationships" are not but a desperate attempt to make a dead thing work. We're slowly evolving to there being no distinctions between friendships and relationships. The only difference between your male and your female friends is that you have sex with some of your female friends.

I can agree with you on this one!

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And I think a bitter middle aged female feminist psuado transgenderized bloggers advice for a young man should to right out with the dog poop you find in the morning if you don't walk your dog.

Take advice, instead from a 50's era psychologist, yeah, that worked out well for us men for the last 40 years.

Marriage is dead, the funeral was 40 years ago, us men just got the invitation.

Luckily I'm at a stage where I really don't give a sh__ about sex or women. And the internet has all the variations at a fraction of the price.

But do not get married. Do not pay money to go on dates with women. Do not let them know where you live if you value your freedom or your possesions. If you ever hope to retire or have any sort of life do not hang out with "regular" women.

If you must commingle with them, pay someone who will go away. It's more ethical and much safer for you.

We're both on the same page!

Some people would rather clutch to an illusion of getting married any living happily ever after!
It's pathetic!
The nuclear family has been butchered and marriage is dead!
As for the senile, dried out specimens who can't accept this harsh truth, just ignore them!
Their heads are secured up their asses and they love the view down there!

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And I think a bitter middle aged female feminist psuado transgenderized bloggers advice for a young man should to right out with the dog poop you find in the morning if you don't walk your dog.

Take advice, instead from a 50's era psychologist, yeah, that worked out well for us men for the last 40 years.

Marriage is dead, the funeral was 40 years ago, us men just got the invitation.

Luckily I'm at a stage where I really don't give a sh__ about sex or women. And the internet has all the variations at a fraction of the price.

But do not get married. Do not pay money to go on dates with women. Do not let them know where you live if you value your freedom or your possesions. If you ever hope to retire or have any sort of life do not hang out with "regular" women.

If you must commingle with them, pay someone who will go away. It's more ethical and much safer for you.

But do not get married. Do not pay money to go on dates with women. Do not let them know where you live if you value your freedom or your possesions. If you ever hope to retire or have any sort of life do not hang out with "regular" women.

If you must commingle with them, pay someone who will go away. It's more ethical and much safer for you.

Sound advice.

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Alek,
You make a lot of good and interesting points. What is your idea about families in light of the things you espouse? How can one have children with such a lifestyle? I will add that I think the government and church concept of "marriage" is manipulative and controlling. I think I can have a relationship and family with someone without state or religious interference.

Well, the solution is easy. Don't have kids. Having kids that will become some sort of functional human beings require a family.

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Well, the solution is easy. Don't have kids. Having kids that will become some sort of functional human beings require a family.

Good point!

You're guaranteed feral children if they're raised in a single mother household!

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I'm pretty much satisfied without having 'the finer things' in life.....I know that money can't buy love or happiness or loyalty, or spirituality or true friendship.

That doesn't completely stop me from coveting my neighbor's custom-painted and detailed Corvette, however.

Anybody who says that money cannot buy happiness is either a dam liar or somebody who has never had alot of money to speak of. ( Or a gullible naive idiot that is ignorant and doesn't know any better.)

My theory on the whole affair is that our world has consistently become more monetarized where money has come to be the dominating factor when it comes to all social relationships in that it has become the highest value of the land. ( Evolutionary psychology certainly supports this framework of mind by it's support of materialism being the dominant part of human behavior,cohesion, and social interaction.)

Now what evolutionary psychology says is that in our ancient past the man who was best able to survive and provide food off of the land came to be the most desirable of men amongst females but when civilization arose where human beings became less worried about physical survival where it became more irrelevant with the usage of technology the man with the most amount of money or wealth came in replacement as being the most desirable of men which is why women are attracted to them in that wealth guarantees the survival of their offspring and themselves.

( Hence why as I alluded to earlier that modern relationships have become more of a affair of prostitution rather than the genuine definition of a social relationship.)

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I so feel you my brutha.

Im 27 and have come to most of the same conclusions over the past year or 2.

Over my lifetime to date Ive gotten the same BS robotic statements thrown at me, you havent found the right one YET, theres PLENTY() of "good" women out there, YOUR JUST LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACES, your thinking with "the wrong head",...etc etc etc.





Exactly.

Sure of course a good personality is one thing that helps you get/keep a woman, but it takes a backseat, as does all those other things, to whether or not you have a "nice" car, "decent" job, house of your own and "toys"...etc

But to answer your original question, the difference is that prostitutes are HONEST about what they are after, that being MONEY...Even though, me and you both know that the rest are also after MONEY, they do not admit it, and they go about it in a more subtile and/or manipulative way, that takes a lot longer to break down/elaborate on than Im willing to spend typeing about at the moment.

Sigh, I ended up on roughly this same topic in another post, where I ended up doing something, that I do a lot, which is beating myself up, trying to get a point across to a woman, who when it comes down to the bottom line, simply DOES NOT CARE, about the frustration men go threw with dateing, girlfreinds, relationships, wives and the whole situation surounding them.

On certaint things, she makes sense and seems to understaind, but then has no empathy, no compasion, and the bottom line with her is basicly "get over it" with no attempt on her part to "put herself in those shoes".........Sound familyar?

She pretty well reminded me why "fuck them before they fuck you" is honestly the SAFEST choice for me. Because when it comes down to it there shoes have more value to them than ANY man, and they will show there shoes a lot more RESPECT and concern than they will you, IN FACT they will just use you to get MORE SHOES...In short YOUR best intrest are not even ON the list for consideration, only hers and "stuff" that she acctually CARES about are on that list, of cloths, jewlry...etc etc etc You get the point Im sure!

But, quite frankly a life of "selabacy" is not for me, its just depressing to me, and frustrateing to try to lie TO MYSELF and try to deny that....So im simply gona do what seems to be most successful for men and simply NOT GIVE A FUCK, right back at them, and treat them equally like shit

Then funny enough, they will flock to me, so long as my line of bullshit is good

And once again, so long as the $$$$$ doesnt run out

Over my lifetime to date Ive gotten the same BS robotic statements thrown at me, you havent found the right one YET, theres PLENTY() of "good" women out there, YOUR JUST LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACES, your thinking with "the wrong head",...etc etc etc.

And what a bunch of bullshit it was, right?

I swear if somebody tells me another statement like that again I'm going to go berserk myself.

Exactly.

Sure of course a good personality is one thing that helps you get/keep a woman, but it takes a backseat, as does all those other things, to whether or not you have a "nice" car, "decent" job, house of your own and "toys"...etc

Precisely...........

It's not that women don't look for personality or other attributes that doesn't necessarily pertain to money and the status of a man it is that as you said those attributes take a backseat in being secondary behind how much of a income a man has and whether as you said he has a influential social status position along with having a great car and toys.

( How does this relate to prostitution. A prostitute upon seeing money will spread her legs apart eagerly in giving her social companionship however if there is no money up front to pay for her services she will not concede to give you anything at all leaving you to your merry lonesome.)

( There are plenty of homeless and low income men with nice personalities. Funny thing that you never see them with a woman.)

If you have no money, are down on your luck financially, or if you just don't make that much money at all you as a man might as well be prepared to have no sex at all along with zero female company or companionship.

( Infact I'm so cynical when it comes to women I'm so ready to change my course of adressing women with the word prostitute.)

( Woman shall now be defined as prostitute where the plural form of the word women shall be defined with the plural form of prostitutes.)

But to answer your original question, the difference is that prostitutes are HONEST about what they are after, that being MONEY...Even though, me and you both know that the rest are also after MONEY, they do not admit it, and they go about it in a more subtile and/or manipulative way, that takes a lot longer to break down/elaborate on than Im willing to spend typeing about at the moment.

Exactly. Atleast a prostitute or a decent stripper will tell you upfront what they are all about where generally common women outside of those circles like to dance around with their pretentious mind games where they try to hide around words like romance or love when in reality they are deceiving you because they are no different from the prostitute and stripper.

Infact I think this is why alot of women hate prostitutes and strippers because they despise how honest those females are in comparison to their own manipulative deceit.

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And what a bunch of bullshit it was, right?

I swear if somebody tells me another statement like that again I'm going to go berserk myself.





Precisely...........

It's not that women don't look for personality or other attributes that doesn't necessarily pertain to money and status of a man it is that as you said those attributes take a backseat behind how much of a income a man has and whether as you said he has a influential status position along with having a great car and toys.

These are some of the reason why I'm celibate and won't be chasing any females any times soon!
The most any guy can expect from a half pint relationship is hyper tension!

A lot of the posts here argue about the pointlessness of marriage. Looking at the realities of our culture it does seem to look pointless for men now. In fact it will probably be the riskiest thing any man does. But we are only discussing it as to how it affects men.

I understand the relevance of these views on a men’s rights site; but we haven’t considered the responsibility of parenting that we have to our children. But then I didn’t want to give the idea that all our concerns against marriage are trumpet by our responsibility to our children. There seemed a dilemma in my mind about this so I’ve put this dilemma and parenting view on its own thread. Comparing relationships with prostitution is one thing, but I can’t compare parenthood along those lines; so i put it here: http://antimisandry.com/miscellaneou...tml#post183874

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A lot of the posts here argue about the pointlessness of marriage. Looking at the realities of our culture it does seem to look pointless for men now. In fact it will probably be the riskiest thing any man does. But we are only discussing it as to how it affects men.

I understand the relevance of these views on a men’s rights site; but we haven’t considered the responsibility of parenting that we have to our children. But then I didn’t want to give the idea that all our concerns against marriage are trumpet by our responsibility to our children. There seemed a dilemma in my mind about this so I’ve put this dilemma and parenting view on its own thread. Comparing relationships with prostitution is one thing, but I can’t compare parenthood along those lines; so i put it here: http://antimisandry.com/miscellaneou...tml#post183874

I agree. I think buying the services of a prostitute is fine as an occasional recreation, and yes it may even be better than a relationship with an amateur gold-digger/manipulator. But marriage, or at least a committed relationship that resembles marriage, is important for raising children. Even if there are exceptions, this is certainly true on the whole.

The terrible legal condition that marriage is for men is a fact we must accept for now, but we do not need to accept that this is the way it always has to be. We should all work to fix the laws surrounding marriage and divorce, even those of you who are determined never to get married, for the sake of future generations.

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Good point!

You're guaranteed feral children if they're raised in a single mother household!

Statistically, the same disaster is in single father households too.

SavageFenrir, I know a couple of pretty well off people who are unhappy... But yes, wealth is a part of being happy.

Quote: "(Woman shall now be defined as prostitute where the plural form of the word women shall be defined with the plural form of prostitutes.)" Fenrir

Address me as a prostitute and see what happens.

Fenrir,

You say money can buy you happiness, and to that I agree...but is the happiness permanent? Is it deep? Is it the sort of happiness that compares to the moment your son or daughter enters the world?

I have sought happiness in all the wrong places in my lifetime. Thought I'd found it, too, many times.....at the bottom of a rum bottle or inside a crank pipe....between the sheets, expensive clothes, and behind the wheel of nice cars. None of those things bought me happiness except for a fleeting moment or two. They are like flimsy bandages dressing a gaping wound in need of many stitches...a temporary fix....if not addressed, a potential disaster.

I don't know how old you are, or your circumstances, or what causes you so much bitterness (though I can imagine)....but I hope that since you put this thread out here you'll pay some heed to those who are interested in helping you realistically work through this rather than to those who want to show you an easy way out.

The easy ways out are rarely the best ways......even if they appear to be on the surface.