Dude can you read??? That's not what I said. Your going off half cocked on some mad crazed rant. You leftist reactionaries are really a pain

I guess it's time I clarified myself, in regards to this thread. I don't actually think that women are, on the whole, worth less than men or worthless. Obviously, value is a very relative thing, but I think in some sort of Spiritual sense, we are all worth the same.

Point taken dude! I agree with your statement above .I promise I am no lefty though LOL!

The trouble is feminism through their buddies inthe media preaches men and women are the same.
Causing confusion and misery and mayhem everywhere!

Men and women are different. That needs to be made clear.Lets take sport where the feminists are aiming at the moment -as its the one last thing they have not wrecked.If men and women are the same .Why not have mixed rugby matches?

Thanks for clearing that up Brad. In regards to your question, I can't even answer it; it just seems intuitive to me.

My point in this thread, is that most women really do have an irrational inferiority complex. Female toddlers are confronted with the fact that they are biologically incapable of giving their mother what a man can. Now, boys have a similar conflict, but it's different for them, because all they need to do is grow up and they'll become like Dad. Women, are confronted with a permanent problem. This isn't about sex; little kids want to please their mothers. Remember, she is their World. Look, to grasp the concept that this creates a feeling of inferiority, is no great stretch. To prepare yourself for this task, simply imagine a new born child, of either sex, lying there, helpless. All this baby can do is wiggle and squish its' eyes and then scream bloody murder. Now, if nobody responds to their cries, they are totally helpless to do anything about it. They'll just lie there in their own excrement and die of thirst. This reality creates what Adler called, a primary sense of inferiority, that we all experience and must in some way, resolve. This feeling is rational. Generally speaking, since we are dependent on The World (our mothers) for everything we need, we decide that the "World," can be trusted or that it can't. Here's where it gets tricky. Women aren't genitally inferior to men, but they do not have a penis. However, a maladapted child will develop what Adler called, a secondary feeling of inferiority. It is irrational.

Look, they say that only about 30% of mothers get this right. So, it stands to reason that this 70% of toddlers will have difficulty dealing with their genitals, when they become active (at around age 3). That's because they don't really trust their mother and that is the person that they need to resolve this conflict with. O.k., so that's enough information to understand that women, generally speaking, have a sore spot. That "spot" or button is what Feminism exploits.

So, when Brad says, people need to accept that men and women are different. At a deep level, there is some profound psychological resistance to that and unfortunately, that has been horribly exploited. So, it is raw.

I'd say that The Battle of The Sexes, has been going very badly for us. In order to turn that around, I think we need to know a little bit about the enemies motivation. And then, we're gonna need to take a look at our own. They say, men run from responsibility. I'd guess that's because they don't want to make "momma" angry.

You are on to something Westminister. I have lost count how many times
I have met women who tell me.
"Women are superior" it is as if they are really saying
"Women are superior - are'nt they?"
If I am smarter, stronger, more widely read I dont need to go around saying it.
The feminists did their homework on us and caught us off guard using verbal karate we were overwhelmed by a volley of accusations.
(ALL FALSE)
We were caught by a sense of guilt.Chivalry is an instinct I suffer from it in abundance as you have just seen.
At last though men are exchanging ideas and are slowly building our awareness and knowledge. Know you enemies,yes indeed the more we know the better.We do know they dont operate or respond with reason we know they shift and morph -like smoke they obscure the truth - but smoke does not last.
We know they are callous, liars, merciless, abusive, inventive in evil...

We need to be even more vigilant look at New Zealand a feminist prime minister waging war against her own citizens.That is what in store every where unless we shift these scumbags and quickly.

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Here's where it gets tricky. Women aren't genitally inferior to men, but they do not have a penis. However, a maladapted child will develop what Adler called, a secondary feeling of inferiority. It is irrational.

I was with you all the way up to the quote above. You dont really explain how you jump from 'we are all inferior as babies' to 'men get past this, women dont'. Your entire explanation seems to be 'Men have a penis'.

Also,

Helping Females Accept Their Inferiority

Boy this isn't easy in today's world, so I started with my dogs

Seems clear to me from the title you belive women are inferior and society must teach them so. If, as you state, women already have an inferiority complex, why do we need to teach them?

You are just being argumentative; your objections are trite.

Way to stick your thumbs in your ears dude!:roll:

"They'll just lie there in their own excrement and die of thirst. This reality creates what Adler called, a primary sense of inferiority, that we all experience and must in some way, resolve. This feeling is rational. Generally speaking, since we are dependent on The World (our mothers) for everything we need, we decide that the "World," can be trusted or that it can't. Here's where it gets tricky. Women aren't genitally inferior to men, but they do not have a penis. However, a maladapted child will develop what Adler called, a secondary feeling of inferiority. It is irrational.

Look, they say that only about 30% of mothers get this right. So, it stands to reason that this 70% of toddlers will have difficulty dealing with their genitals, when they become active (at around age 3). That's because they don't really trust their mother and that is the person that they need to resolve this conflict with. O.k., so that's enough information to understand that women, generally speaking, have a sore spot. That "spot" or button is what Feminism exploits. "

Westminster, I don't follow. What difference does a penis make in how a baby feels? 30% of mothers get WHAT right?

Well see that's the thing. If I understand it correctly, a toddler who has reached the genital stage, naturally wants to share that with their mother. A boy child could, but the natural fear of his strong father, should prevent that. A girl child, can't. Now, Erikson said in order to traverse these stages of life successfully, we need to get the previous stages completed successfully first. So, if mom didn't create a sense of safety and security in the first stage, of feeding, then the child won't be able to successfully traverse the proceeding psychological stages. Now, take feeding. Most people can handle a baked potato, but that isn't the psychological point of the stage. It's about feeling safe and secure in The World. One way to deal with this is just to pretend that you aren't scared. Another way is to scare someone else.

The second stage is about autonomy. For this stage I like the analogy, are you white knuckling it or do you truly have the power of choice? This is about self-control. True freedom comes from the inside. Liberty is something else, that comes from the outside. They say most of us have not learned this lesson properly. Think alcoholism, drug addiction, sexual promiscuity, eating disorders and credit card debt, just to name a few. And don't be surprised when people say, oh there's nothing wrong with that! This is about obsession. There are some extremely selfish, albeit compelling, reasons to enable that kind of behavior.

The third stage is about purpose. What is your purpose in Life? Feminism denies that gender = purpose. Reality, does not. That's where the conflict is. Feminism's weakness is reality. They want you to STFU.

Can you see the attached thumbnail in post #18?

To follow up on post #22...

"The founder of modern feminism, Betty Frieden... advocated in The Feminine Mystique (1963) that women downgrade their role as wife and mother and instead make career their first priority."

http://www.savethemales.ca/031001.html

Imagine a world where women get their self-esteem from being a good mother, homemaker and wife. While men get their self-esteem from being a good father, provider and husband. Psychologically, biologically and historically, that's where men and women "fit." But, as I said earlier, 70% of us don't complete this stage properly. Remember, at such young ages our brains are rapidly growing and laying down patterns for thinking that will persist throughout our lifetimes. So, to expect us to freely choose the right place, is unrealistic. In that regard, we need to be nudged in the right direction; nowadays, we are being nudged in the wrong direction.

So, this is about Purpose.

In regards to inferiority though, it seems perfectly natural for a girl child to feel inferior about not having a penis and envy those who do, because her genitals don't fit mom's and she wants to share this new discovery (her genitals and the pleasure she receives from them) with her mother. This is a humbling experience and she needs to properly resolve it, but unfortunately many girls become fixated. Basically, they want to be boys, because in their infantile thinking they believe that will give them what they want. This belief is incorrect, irrational, erroneous and illogical, but nevertheless, it is the psychological basis for Feminism.

If your still not convinced then ask yourself this: does Feminism have any respect for men? Are Feminists just neutral on the male issue? Answer: No and No. Now ask yourself: do Feminists HATE men? Answer: YES.

And in light of the abnormal psychology of the Feminist mind, it fits, that they would hate men.

Oh, here's something else. According to the ancient Greek or so I've read, the word used in The New Testament, for submit, in regards to wives submitting unto your husbands, is not one of blind obedience, like a slave, but rather like a soldier taking orders from a commanding officer. That of course, is an inferior position, but so is being the Queen of England or The Vice President of The United States. I wouldn't exactly call Dick Cheney, small potatoes.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/FEMINISM.TXT

I guess I should probably say how women are supposed to resolve the Oedipal Phase. Basically, they need to become like their mother in order to get their father, but since they can't have him (incest taboo) then someone like their father (next best thing). A lot of people don't want to be like their parent's. So, I think those women should try to be like their Mother's ancestors, in order to get someone like their Father's ancestors.

For Men, the resolution of this phase is basically, the mirror opposite. Become like your Father, in order to get your mother, but since you can't have her (incest taboo) then someone like your Mother (next best thing). And of course, the same trick would apply towards your parent's ancestors. I've met a lot of people who were closer to their Grandparent's, then they ever were to their parents.

See, then this brings up the question, how do little girls go from basically being homosexual (same sex attracted) to being heterosexual (opposite sex attracted)? Well, if I understand it correctly, they wish they had a male penis, to satisfy their mother (infantile incest fantasy). This is impossible. So, if they cannot become like Dad, then at least they can get Dad (next best thing). This sets up the infantile incest fantasy with Dad, but of course, that's taboo. So, they again go to, the next best thing and become resolved to get someone like him, by becoming like their Mother.

If I remember correctly, Freud thought that Feminism and Homosexuality (same sex attraction) were both a result of taking a wrong turn, at the Oedipal Stage. So, if he is correct and most people thought he was, then both of these groups are neurotic. Thus, groups like the American Psychological Association, classified things like Homosexuality, as a Mental Illness. Of course, so was depression.

Denial, is our primary defense. Projection, is a common form that denial takes. Feminists, call normal men and women, misogynists and Homosexuals, call normal men and women, homophobes. Thus, they classify, Normal Men and Women, as Mentally Ill.

If you are enlightened you are supposed to see the truth in that, because reality is, they argue, relative. I think that is the opposite of enlightenment.

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If I remember correctly, Freud thought that Feminism and Homosexuality (same sex attraction) were both a result of taking a wrong turn, at the Oedipal Stage. So, if he is correct and most people thought he was, then both of these groups are neurotic. Thus, groups like the American Psychological Association, classified things like Homosexuality, as a Mental Illness. Of course, so was depression.

Denial, is our primary defense. Projection, is a common form that denial takes. Feminists, call normal men and women, misogynists and Homosexuals, call normal men and women, homophobes. Thus, they classify, Normal Men and Women, as Mentally Ill.

If you are enlightened you are supposed to see the truth in that, because reality is, they argue, relative. I think that is the opposite of enlightenment.

I dunno about all this. I thought Freud had been pretty thoroughly debunked over the years and now he's admired more for his pioneering a new field than his accuracy.

I'm not saying it's all a load of rubbish but I feel I have to take Freud's stuff with a pinch of salt.

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I dunno about all this. I thought Freud had been pretty thoroughly debunked over the years and now he's admired more for his pioneering a new field than his accuracy.

I'm not saying it's all a load of rubbish but I feel I have to take Freud's stuff with a pinch of salt.

That's the company line, but I've never seen anyone attempt to prove that, let alone actually do it. And I have been in places that were sure of the rightness of Feminism and were full of college graduates, as well as some, that appeared to be, full-time activists. Apparently, if it was debunked, no one knows how.