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    Having a ball over at Feministing.com

    Thought I would let you know that I'm having a fun time refuting the Feminasties, over at Feminsting.com:

    http://feministing.com/archives/008104.html

    This column on their site has to do with a report about the worldwide pay gap between men and women. Read the comments section. I can't believe they let me write so much.

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    Re: Having a ball over at Feministing.com

    They want equal outcome. This means that they want more choice than men effectively have, they want to get paid for doing less work, less overtime, less unappealing conditions. And they're going to get it. Because they always get what they want. They'll just keep whining about it.

    I've said this a long time ago, they'll end up with more of everything, and then they will still not be happy. Why? Because they have a chip on their shoulder and it's never going to come off.

    You're quite right to mention MGTOW, because that's the only answer. We can argue until we are blue in the face. The only way to go for us is to UNSUBSCRIBE.

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    Re: Having a ball over at Feministing.com

    That was some good stuff John I really liked how you screwed up their arguments about stay at home dads. It was totally true dads just don't get to make that choice as often as women do. It's not like a man can force his woman to work or not to work so a man tends to look after the big picture in which the house has to have an income and the responsibility is laid on his shoulders to do it. If a family is poor it isn't laid on the woman no sir the man is the one who gets the blame.
    Chevalier.
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    Re: Having a ball over at Feministing.com

    It's a subtle distinction for an MRA. A lot of us promote two scenarios:

    1. A return to patriarchy:
    This is where an alpha male is the prime mover in the family, provides protection and resources for the family, and the woman stays at home and nourishes the home, the man, and the children. The man has the final say in the family, and bears all the responsibility for the behavior of those under his authority. The downside of this arrangement is (for women) the lack of options, especially if she has dreams and talents that are being wasted while confined to the domestic sphere. The downside for men is that any disaster (loss of a job, needing to be retrained in a job, natural disasters that disrupt his ability to provide,etc.) places enormous pressure on him. It also means he's turned into a workhorse and doesn't always get to do what makes him happy, including spending enough time with his loved ones.

    2. An end to matriarchy:
    When feminists attacked patriarchy for its stifling effects on women, it gave women the freedom to choose between a domesticated role or the workplace. But it didn't free men from their gender role; men remained confined to the workplace. Add to that, family laws added huge new burdens to men. Stuck in the provider role, men couldn't afford to make drastic changes in their lives without devastating their families. Divorce laws forced men to make huge alimony payments to help their ex-wives "maintain their standard of living." It was as if the choices women made to stay home and forgo a career were some sort of sacrifice that men had to compensate for. Another aspect of this matriarchy is the emotional and financial devastation of loss of custody, coupled with larger child support payments the less the father was allowed to see his kids. This was devastating. Feminists had attacked patriarchy but neglected to free men from their gender roles. In fact, in the 1950s and 60s, they solidified these gender roles with the above-described family laws. Hence we ended up with "patriarchy Lite," leaving in place the aspects of patriarchy that hurt men while smashing those aspects that previously hurt women. I call this arrangement "Matriarchy." When debating feminists, I don't use the term "matriarchy" because they just wouldn't get it. But it's a term that is accurate as hell. The only effective ways to fight the matriarchy are for men to reject the provider role (the marriage strike), or return to the traditional roles of patriarchy (which constrained men just as they also did women).

    Between the two approaches above, I favor smashing the matriarchy every time. This will fully give men the freedom to go their own way. I don't really know if there has ever been the true absence of both patriarchy AND matriarchy. But it's what I'm working for -- what the marriage strike is heading toward -- and what I believe all MRAs should be working for as well.

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    Re: Having a ball over at Feministing.com

    Quote Quote from John Dias View Post
    Thought I would let you know that I'm having a fun time refuting the Feminasties, over at Feminsting.com:

    http://feministing.com/archives/008104.html

    This column on their site has to do with a report about the worldwide pay gap between men and women. Read the comments section. I can't believe they let me write so much.
    Top effort John, unusual for the feminazy to actually allow debate..

    Maybe our ongoing badgering about their ongoing effort to erase anything that does follow the braindead feminist dogma may have finally driven home..

    Doubt it..

    Addendum..

    I forced myself to read that drivel on that site and have to add to my praise..

    Well done John, they had no response to your arguments and only spouted the usual feminist rhetoric..

    They really are sad insignificant hasbeens trying to raise the level of a sexist self-serving hysteria that is loosing ground by the day..
    Last edited by christianj; 18th-November-2007 at 10:17 AM.

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    Re: Having a ball over at Feministing.com

    Femcunt Valenti still lying about the pay gap I see. I hate her with a passion. Her and Marcuntte.


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    Re: Having a ball over at Feministing.com

    Bloody hell, of all the feminist complaints, this one is the most loathsome because it is immediately falsifiable by anyone with even a modicum of sense. If women were as productive as men they would get paid the same, simple as that. The market is motivated only by greed, it doesn't give a fuck what sex you are, you will be employed at a salary on which you are profitable to employ, there just isn't any other way it can work out.

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    Re: Having a ball over at Feministing.com

    I campaign only for the destruction of the Matriarchy but if I'm being honest I know that it will create a de facto return of Patriarchy, since men are so superior to women


 

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