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    Greetings!

    I happened upon this site the other night and have been impressed by some of the discussions here. I have long suspected feminism of living by a double standard, and as I despise hypocrisy, I have found it to be heavily anti-male and self-serving. While browsing through many of the treads over the past few days, I have noticed a rather disgusting case of deception: TERA.

    It's quite obvious that she's playing you all for fools so that she can stroke her mighty ego by "reporting" on her "subjects" somewhere else. Of course, as a career scientist with a background in medical ethics, I can tell you that she has no concept of civility and lacks respect for those she wishes to "help." She lies to you, baits you with inflammatory comments, and of course, fires off loaded questions so that she may catch you and judge you before her man-hating peers.

    If TERA truly had good intentions, wouldn't she be upfront and direct with her activities at these forums? One of the biggest rules of human research (well, she probably sees this as sub-human research, which is how monsters like Mengele justified their work) is to provide informed consent. So, considering that she's been misleading you and tarnishing your reputation as a community, why do you continue to tolerate her lies? I'm all for forgiveness and reconciliation, but she's clearly some sort of narcissist wingnut, and your best option is probably to ban her and anyone who ever resembles her in the future (she'll be back, no doubt).

    Oh, and yes, I compared you to Mengele. You're sick.



     
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    Re: Greetings (and TERA's manipulation)

    We try very hard to allow all opinions here even ones we don't agree with.

    Having our opinions twisted and used against us is something that we are used to.

    I have posted on feminists sites and been deleted or banned outright because they do not invite differing opinion. No matter how much they preach man hate it is somehow worse if we have a low opinion of certain types of women. Though it is ok for them to hate all men.

    If Tera wants to post here and be constructive then she will probably remain welcome even with a differing opinion than ours. One has to be pretty disruptive to get banned.



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    So even if she's intentiontally creating drama and actively working to harm the reputation of the community, she should remain?

    I respect the desire to include diversity of thought, but when someone is dishonest and manipulative in her participation here, why should she retain the privilege to share her opinions?

    I would like to congratulate the community in how you have treated her. While the typical feminist forum would have made disgusting personal attacks and threats to one of you, you have allowed her to speak freely and only criticized her based on her poor behavior. I admire your respectfulness, but question your tolerance of such unethical actions.


     
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    my bone is more to pick with this robin steele woman

    Tera might be doing a little lightweight trolling but so what


     
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    As Chev has said "we are used to this." There will always be those who behave just like her or worse.
    I find it depressing that you have acclimated yourselves to such disrespect from the feminist community. The so-called mothers of tolerance are the masters of intolerance. You, the pariahs of gender politics, truly understand the value of an open forum.


     
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    Greetings! I happened upon this site the other night and have been impressed by some of the discussions here. I have long suspected feminism of living by a double standard, and as I despise hypocrisy, I have found it to be heavily anti-male and self-serving. While browsing through many of the treads over the past few days, I have noticed a rather disgusting case of deception: TERA.

    It's quite obvious that she's playing you all for fools so that she can stroke her mighty ego by "reporting" on her "subjects" somewhere else. Of course, as a career scientist with a background in medical ethics, I can tell you that she has no concept of civility and lacks respect for those she wishes to "help." She lies to you, baits you with inflammatory comments, and of course, fires off loaded questions so that she may catch you and judge you before her man-hating peers.

    If TERA truly had good intentions, wouldn't she be upfront and direct with her activities at these forums? One of the biggest rules of human research (well, she probably sees this as sub-human research, which is how monsters like Mengele justified their work) is to provide informed consent. So, considering that she's been misleading you and tarnishing your reputation as a community, why do you continue to tolerate her lies? I'm all for forgiveness and reconciliation, but she's clearly some sort of narcissist wingnut, and your best option is probably to ban her and anyone who ever resembles her in the future (she'll be back, no doubt).

    Oh, and yes, I compared you to Mengele. You're sick.
    Welcome, Aspie. Live long and prosper. It is good to have a breath of fresh air and common sense in here. You are perceptive enough to see what many others here apparently don't.

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    I must admit I'm not really a masculist. I'm an equalist, believing that that men and women are born DIFFERENT but are of EQUAL WORTH, and entitled to FAIR TREATMENT under JUST LAWS. (Note the words in capitals, they are of the essence of equalism.)
    Ah, good to see an interest in equality. To be able to respect our differences while upholding true justice is something that contemporary civil rights movements have failed to do. Not since the great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. have I seen a mainstream figure interested in harmony and fairness in society and law. Contemporary figures and movements are divisive and self-serving. Feminism is especially guilty of this hypocrisy and reverse descrimination.


     
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    Welcome, Aspie!


     
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    Tera, could you please explain and demonstrate how YA discussions are taken out of context?

    For example, whenever I discuss YA, I always link to the pertaining question so the viewers here can go direct to the source and view the full context of the questions & answer/s in discussion. It is hardly my (or any member herein) fault that YA delete questions left, right & center.

    For example, here I discuss 'Tracey' implying a lot of dishonesty in one of her answers. As you can clearly see, I give her fullest answer (so it is entirely in context to how she portrayed her response) and a link to the question was given (the question on YA has since been deleted - but the link was valid at time of publication).

    Here I link to another question on YA, the question and individuals answers are snap-shots of the full content and thus, the very context of their points are addressed 100%. Unlike feminists quoting of MRA's (for example, Robin Steel quoted half a sentence by John Dias, omitting that he was referring to SELF DEFENSE - thus twisting the context and implying he condoned violence against women), I *do* quote fully in order for the feminists context to be 100% certain.

    Again here, I quote every word - not just half the line in order to manipulate the context.

    So, I have offered MY defense of your claims - where is your evidence of feminist answers being taken out of context..? You know, quoting half a paragraph part of it is missing and giving a false impressoin... I'm assuming you do have some to back up the claim?



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    Aspie, I can see you're going to be a worthy asset to this forum.

    I have battled and thoroughly outdebated far worst examples of such feminist trojan horsery than Tera. She's a rather mild 'affliction' by comparison to some.

    Unlike feminist sites we are bound in part by a sense of fairness and free speech. If we just begin banning everybody we disagree with - we just become feminists.

    Such intrusions are actually productive for our members to sharpen their swords.

    Besides, I'm most confident of the members here to overwhelm any challenge that faces them.



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    Allowing diversity of opinion, even when we, individually, disagree with them, is the expression of tolerance that this board accomodates maturely. It is sometimes difficult but Karl does a stirling job.

    TERA continues to defy. Her self-defences are rope with which she hangs herself. I am sure there are fine aspects to TERA and some of her views are humane, but she seems unable to reflect upon her poorer or suspect actions and examine them where doubt has been raised. She reacts like a three year old scolding her parents when they say 'NO !'.

    I agree she has acted unethically, but what are we to expect? I suppose one could expect an adult to apologise for any insult or distress or offence - by golly, Feminists scream blue murder if a man simply 'looks' their way or says something inocuous like 'you look nice today' - and think carefully thereafter. But that may be asking too much from someone who seems not to have the ego-strength.

    One can easily stereotype people. I do it sometimes, albeit tongue in cheek. TERA is very like Lucy in the Charlie Brown cartoons. We all would like her to be the little red-headed girl, like Kim and Kelly who are admired for their maturity and thoroughly female attributes and treated affectionately here. Truely our sisters. But she chooses her role.

    Maybe TERA can prove us wrong and play nicely. Repairs are always possible here. It is part of the tolerance we show.



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    Tera, could you please explain and demonstrate how YA discussions are taken out of context?

    For example, whenever I discuss YA, I always link to the pertaining question so the viewers here can go direct to the source and view the full context of the questions & answer/s in discussion. It is hardly my (or any member herein) fault that YA delete questions left, right & center.

    For example, here I discuss 'Tracey' implying a lot of dishonesty in one of her answers. As you can clearly see, I give her fullest answer (so it is entirely in context to how she portrayed her response) and a link to the question was given (the question on YA has since been deleted - but the link was valid at time of publication).

    Here I link to another question on YA, the question and individuals answers are snap-shots of the full content and thus, the very context of their points are addressed 100%. Unlike feminists quoting of MRA's (for example, Robin Steel quoted half a sentence by John Dias, omitting that he was referring to SELF DEFENSE - thus twisting the context and implying he condoned violence against women), I *do* quote fully in order for the feminists context to be 100% certain.

    Again here, I quote every word - not just half the line in order to manipulate the context.

    So, I have offered MY defense of your claims - where is your evidence of feminist answers being taken out of context..? You know, quoting half a paragraph part of it is missing and giving a false impressoin... I'm assuming you do have some to back up the claim?

    "Tera" disrupts and interferes with the discussion on this forum. Her agenda includes interference with antimisandry and Mens' Rights Acivists to prevent us from being able to conduct our own discussion. She seems to be succeeding because, like all feminsits, she gets a pussy pass from the men responsible.

    I doubt serisously if Men's Rights Movement will ever succeed as long as "tolerant" men give pussy passes to females who's goals are to disrupt and interfere with the Men's Movement.

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    My apologies...if those questions were deleted, a link does no good. And I concur, many questions are deleted on Y/A. My point is, often times you get some really great, balanced, respectful answers from people (women, and so called "feminists", too)- but I've never seen any of those discussed or posted here. Maybe it saddens me just a little that the focus is always negative, when so often there's more that's positive, but it's not shown. For example, even you have awarded me a "best answer" a time or two, so has Celtish, and some other anti-fems from this site have, too...but none of those answers (nor answers from other people who are self-proclaimed feminists) were ever posted here. It would be the same thing if I took one some of the most extreme or misogynistic posts from here and displayed them on GWS, and never posted anything else. I think if I did that, your MRA's would be pretty upset. You'd probably say (and rightfully so) that this doesn't paint a very accurate portrayal of the men's movement in general...and you'd be right. What I'm trying to say is, I've seen some pretty awesome answers on GWS from "feminists" that support your side as well. But these posts are ignored and only the misandric ones are ever shown here. I think that only helps promote a negative attitude toward a group of people....
    Actually I don't think that most people here would care at all if "misogynist" things from here were posted on GWS (whatever that is). Feminists have clipped out and posted on their sites things that we have said many, many times, and if it caused us to get a headache over it every time it happened, then we'd have a hard time functioning because it happens literally all the time. So in other words, we've built up a tolerance.

    Besides, I think it backfires on them when they do that. I'm reminded of a time just before the 2004 election where Michael Moore wrote a book called "Dude, Where's my Country?" in which Moore filled the entire book with a bunch of ridiculous left-wing bile, as well as "facts" and "statistics" which were blatantly untrue. And to top it off, he included this whole section of quotes from right-wing radio personalities and TV personalities of them saying all sorts of right-wing stuff, hoping that people would get turned off by it.

    Now in the end I'm sure he got props from the liberal community for his book, but to the moderate swing voter, Moore definitely showed that he was clearly wrong, and thus including the "right-winger" section in his book made people wonder if those people might be right.

    ...Oh, and he did the same exact thing with a movie he made called "Fahrenheit 911", and I think that eventually backfired on him, too.


     
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    Now in the end I'm sure he got props from the liberal community for his book, but to the moderate swing voter, Moore definitely showed that he was clearly wrong, and thus including the "right-winger" section in his book made people wonder if those people might be right.
    Michael Moore is an embarassing fat socialist penis-brained moral sloth - that sickeningly panders to a gynocentric agenda devoid of any social or political practicality or reason - and has no more political validity than a lap dog.



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