Obviously when you're wrong and clueless you better keep yourself out of it, impersonal slavery cheerleader.

RV,

Couple of questions...perhaps I am getting grumpy and intolerant in my old age.

Why do you insist on continually telling people that they are wrong? For one thing, it's rude. Secondly, it makes you seem arrogant- condescending. Thirdly, you're not always right. No one is "always right."

And, it might well be a mistake to consider someone's silence is due to stupidity or ignorance.

What gives?

Percy,

Why the discussion on the 'free market' here, on anti-misandry? Who the hell cares? It's boring ........boring as in I'd rather be measuring how fast the grass is growing in my front yard than talking about this. So I won't.

CD...You're right about phases.

Just like the moon. Just like Venus.

There are other sites for such discussions methinks..

I have yet to see any self-proclaimed free-market lover actually recognise just how much state interference is needed to keep their "free market" economy working just they way THEY personally would like it to work..

Which is in effect the case in all nations.. State leaders have to intervene.. That is the basis of law, controlling folk.. Ensuring that folk dont resort to unaceptable agression..

Anarchistic soceities dont fare too well..

It was control of the economies resources that created civilisation.

Freedoms are always limited, tis the nature of things.

"Moral boundaries" are very subjective limitations, some folk beleive in different things and are not easily persuaded otherwise..

To advocate freedom while simultaneously seeking to restrict freedom is the paradox of the anarcho-libertarian approach..

We are not the folk whose opinions matter anyway in these matters..

Its an elitist discussion, for the elites only to do anything about..

Us lowly plebs have to just make do and mend as we see fit, if we are able to!

If not, we can rebel!

Why do you insist on continually telling people that they are wrong? For one thing, it's rude. Secondly, it makes you seem arrogant- condescending. Thirdly, you're not always right. No one is "always right." And, it might well be a mistake to consider someone's silence is due to stupidity or ignorance.

RV was apparently raised by a nest of pigs; she has no concept of what is rude, what is polite and flaunts her arrogance and sense of superiority as if they were some kind of rare God-given accoutrement rather than the obvious personality flaws of a childish social retard. As long as she can claim to be, and act as though she is right, she will. Regardless.

Obviously when you're wrong and clueless you better keep yourself out of it, impersonal slavery cheerleader.

Shouldn't you be off making Vodka out of used cars or something? Sniffing petrol or whoring yourself for toilet paper? Seriously, you're in no position to declare me either 'wrong' or 'clueless' given that I've made no argument yet, so this is just more of your haughty and stupid noise; perfectly typical and nothing more than I expect from a nasty little ignorant Slavic peasant. Impersonal slavery? Oh no! I've been morally questioned by a semi-literate teenager who supports genocide and torture. Do you honestly think I care about your value-judgements? You cannot annoy me with your specious little air-headed attempts to condescend. I'm writing an essay at the moment, so I can't give you the rebuttal that you deserve however later when I'm finished (and when you're done picking the lice out of your pubes for lunch) I might do a detailed criticism of capitalism and the free market for you and TOO to both read.

Not that there are not already a stack of such volumes which bring up many legitimate problems with Free Market Capitalism which any monkey could understand; you're far too ignorant to have read any of them, and far to arrogant to actually process anything which counters your little robot-ideologue ways, and no doubt when my essay is complete, you'll turn the obdurate excuse for a brain you possess off rather than actually process anything which goes against what you believe.

Bzt.

TERA, I tell people that they are wrong because they are. Obviously, I'm not right all the time and I actually admitted I was wrong on a few occasions. Now, related to economics, I know for a fact that I am right - and Adam Smith, Say, Milton Friedman, Hazlit, Mises and so on agree with me. Obviously, there's also the Keynesian school of thought that got it's theory demolished. Because of my understanding of things, the fact that the US economy will collapse was obvious. And here is my future prediction for the US: if Obama keeps acting like Bush on steroids on the economic side, foreigners will stop lending you money, the Fed will monetize the deficits and this will lead to hyperinflation. And so far, governments reacted to hyperinflation with price controls, exchange and capital controls. This will lead to shortages, queue lines and black markets. It will be either this or the Fed will sharply raise interest rates, bankrupt most American companies that were built due to the idiotic policies of Washington and the government cutting spending by a lot. Obviously, the first one is more likely. This will all happen in this presidential term, since I doubt the Chinese, Japanese and Saudis will keep giving away products to Americans.

I tell people that they are wrong because they are. The fact that it sounds condescending doesn't change the validity of my claims or that I am right.

And I know why the cheerleader of impersonal slavery is wrong. Besides saying that he forgot more economics than others will ever know while exposing his utter misunderstanding of basic principles, obviously.

Now, in case you didn't realize, the thread's name was the free market. If the topic bores you, why click on it? And why discuss a lot of things on anti-misandry? Why have an entertainment part? Or why have a religion part? Sports? Art and literature? Hell, even read the threads you opened and you will see that lots of them have no connection with misandry or feminism. You'd have some moral authority to bitch about other things being discussed if you just talked about feminism on here and there weren't any forum categories for different things. Since there are...

dad_savage, it's funny that I don't annoy you, yet you write over 30 words that are insults towards me. But the fact that you're a pathetic hypocrite isn't anything new to me.

Besides saying that he forgot more economics than others will ever know while exposing his utter misunderstanding of basic principles, obviously.

I've never actually expressed anything about 'basic' economic principles on this board, so how I could expose my 'utter misunderstanding' of them, I do not know, but since RV says it, it must be right I guess (in her mind)

Though I'll correct her here:

Besides saying that he forgot more economics than others will ever know

I said that I have forgotten more about economics than you - RV - Will ever know. Not 'others,' not somone else, not Too, not Percy, Not Tera, you. RV. I've forgotten more than you will ever know.

It’s just a quick post to say I’ll respond to you guys another day on this string as I’m a little tied up with other things at the moment.

I hope to focus on the theme of the original post, which is not in-it-self a discussion on the merits of the free market or an analysis of economic theory. Of course it is each individual’s choice what they choose to post; but I would just like to draw attention to where Percy chose to place this string. I’m sure if he was looking for a discussion on economics he would have posted it under the ‘Politics, Government & economics’ section rather than miscellaneous chat.

OTT you raised some valid points, which I hope to address, and RV I found your last paragraph on post No-10 of interest. I think the rest of it was not really addressing what I was hoping for and possibly being a little defensive of the market to me, when you know you don’t need to. We have had some interesting exchanges outside of these open boards, and I hope you can remain as relaxed and confident here, as you were there.

In that light, I would suggest we could all possibly engage in mutually rewarding exchanges on the wider philosophical aspects of human nature, morality and the influence of the economy.

I’m presuming that’s what the knackered old knight was looking for.

RV, what is going on for you?

What happened to the RV I think so well of?

dad_savage, in case you don't recall, we chatted a bit of this board. You must recall that considering you posted things I shared with you on this board. But again, expecting you to have a spine is like expecting pigs to take off and fly.

TFB, it's really easy. What you subsidize, you get more of. You subsidize single motherhood, you get more of it. You subsidize dependency and complacency, you get more of it. I'll use single motherhood as an example. In the early 1980s, only 12% of children were born out of wedlock. Now, it's around 40%.

dad_savage, in case you don't recall, we chatted a bit of this board. You must recall that considering you posted things I shared with you on this board. But again, expecting you to have a spine is like expecting pigs to take off and fly.

For starters, we hardly 'talked', I just sat and said very little while you made an endless whinge-list about how much your life sucks and all the crappy/terrible things that have happened to you (most of which I found very boring and tiresome) this is typical amoung sad teenagers. I didn't say anything about economics. As for the board thing, don't revisit that, you got what you deserved, no more no less.

Bzt.

In short, go fuck yourself.

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TERA, I tell people that they are wrong because they are. Obviously, I'm not right all the time and I actually admitted I was wrong on a few occasions. Now, related to economics, I know for a fact that I am right - and Adam Smith, Say, Milton Friedman, Hazlit, Mises and so on agree with me. Obviously, there's also the Keynesian school of thought that got it's theory demolished. Because of my understanding of things, the fact that the US economy will collapse was obvious. And here is my future prediction for the US: if Obama keeps acting like Bush on steroids on the economic side, foreigners will stop lending you money, the Fed will monetize the deficits and this will lead to hyperinflation. And so far, governments reacted to hyperinflation with price controls, exchange and capital controls. This will lead to shortages, queue lines and black markets. It will be either this or the Fed will sharply raise interest rates, bankrupt most American companies that were built due to the idiotic policies of Washington and the government cutting spending by a lot. Obviously, the first one is more likely. This will all happen in this presidential term, since I doubt the Chinese, Japanese and Saudis will keep giving away products to Americans.

I tell people that they are wrong because they are. The fact that it sounds condescending doesn't change the validity of my claims or that I am right.

And I know why the cheerleader of impersonal slavery is wrong. Besides saying that he forgot more economics than others will ever know while exposing his utter misunderstanding of basic principles, obviously.

Now, in case you didn't realize, the thread's name was the free market. If the topic bores you, why click on it? And why discuss a lot of things on anti-misandry? Why have an entertainment part? Or why have a religion part? Sports? Art and literature? Hell, even read the threads you opened and you will see that lots of them have no connection with misandry or feminism. You'd have some moral authority to bitch about other things being discussed if you just talked about feminism on here and there weren't any forum categories for different things. Since there are...

dad_savage, it's funny that I don't annoy you, yet you write over 30 words that are insults towards me. But the fact that you're a pathetic hypocrite isn't anything new to me.

LOL @ so many things in thread. I think you're right you did annoy him and you're annoying me, too. RV, I want to like you but your arrogance repels me. You sound just like TOO on Haahoo's profile page.

And well since we can use this forum to discuss *anything* then in that case I have several subjects I'd like to talk about.

Oh and since pretty much anything goes- Haahoo- how 'bout some hot and steamy cyber sex right here right now?

LOL @ so many things in thread. I think you're right you did annoy him and you're annoying me, too. RV, I want to like you but your arrogance repels me. You sound just like TOO on Haahoo's profile page.

You want to like RV? Tera, that's just plain weird. I guess I kinda wanted to like her too, in a way, when we first met. Honestly she seemed nice, arrogant sure but nice; I only realized after introducing her to my friends (whom she pretty much immediately attacked with childish insults, which I found so embaressing) what a rude little urchin she is.

I really hope she dies. The MRM does not need idiots like RV and TOO, spreading their capricous, racist, supremacist bullshit around making us all look bad.

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You want to like RV? Tera, that's just plain weird. I guess I kinda wanted to like her too, in a way, when we first met. Honestly she seemed nice, arrogant sure but nice; I only realized after introducing her to my friends (whom she pretty much immediately attacked with childish insults, which I found so embaressing) what a rude little urchin she is.

I really hope she dies. The MRM does not need idiots like RV and TOO, spreading their capricous, racist, supremacist bullshit around making us all look bad.

DS,

You don't really hope she dies. That's a terrible thing to say to someone you know has a history of trying to commit suicide. Come on now....you're upset but you'll get over it. If I had a dollar for every time my own teenage daughter said these words to me: "you're wrong!" - hell I'd be rich! I think we should try and remember how young she really is- and the fact that people with really high IQ's tend to have problems in the area of social skills. If she acts like this with everyone (off the internet, too) she probably doesn't have very many friends. People tend to not want to gravitate toward people that look down on them. I hope, for her sake, that she works on that attitude...TOO, too. What I see is someone who inside feels inadequate and unconsciously tries to get rid of those very uncomfortable feelings by purposefully creating arguments that she knows she is likely to win. Who here is an expert in economics? Not most of us.

Can we please get back to why we are really here?

You don't really hope she dies. That's a terrible thing to say to someone you know has a history of trying to commit suicide.

I stand by it nevertheless.

you're upset but you'll get over it.

I'm not upset, as a matter of fact. When RV first insulted my friends on AIM I was upset; beyond that I detached from her and ceased to care so that, emotionally, she cannot effect me regardless of what she does. My dislike of her is something I arrive at via clinical and rational consideration. The experiences you relate with your daughters are irrelevant; I too wouldn't mind if my daughter, sister, girlfriend, were to behave in such a fashion as there would also be a wealth of positive feelings to offset that frustration. I have no positive feelings toward RV.

What I see is someone who inside feels inadequate and unconciously tries to get rid of those feelings by purposefully creating arguments that she knows she can win. Who here is an expert in economics?

I agree however I do not in so far as that you say 'you know she can win', RV's grasp of economics is based on a dogmatic 'faith'-style belief system. She ignores everything which suggests she alter her perception. I happen to know allot about economics, more than RV likely does (I am much older than her) but as I said, she can say 'I'm right' and in her mind, that makes it so. Obdurate.

Also, I personally tend to think people who have 'tried' to or failed to commit suicide are somewhat contemptible on the basis that I find such pleas for help / cries for attention to be base forms of manipulation. Genuinely suicidal persons do not talk about it or 'try', they do it. If RV does have a history of suicide attempts, I think this is only further proof of what an irrational, attention-whoring drama queen she is. Utterly contemptible.

As for getting back on topic, apologies if I've derailed things, though I had only dropped in with an off-hand comment, if RV could have kept her big mouth shut, none of this would have happened. That said, I will endevour to find a new thread with which to occupy myself.