http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/roberts/050118

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/roberts/050118

Good find bola.
It's a pity Carey Roberts doesn't go on to consider what happens next.
Totalitarian states seem to manage perfectly well when times are good. As long as the masses are being fed and watered nobody wants to rock the boat. Sometimes they even welcome strict discipline - e.g. Singapore. Even North Americans will swallow any amount of propaganda if their comfortable lifestyle can be maintained.

It's hard times that produce change. The Roman Empire needed imported food and slaves like the US needs imported oil and workers. But supplies of resources are hard to manage and all those immigrants bring dangerous new ideas, British India springs to mind too.
Let's take the great Soviet experiment. It failed because it was not economically viable. Dependence on the state enfeebles the people and sooner or later the economy takes a nose-dive. Even the founders of the UK welfare state warned against this possibility. Correct me if I'm wrong anybody, but a change of leadership seems to come into the equation too. The new leader, who is faced with clearing up the mess, decides 'enough is enough'. So where's next? Mugabe's Zimbabwe? Kim Jong Il's Korea?

But to get back to the purpose of this board. I honestly believe that MRAs can learn much from history. A 'revolutionary' movement like F4J gains grudging sympathy in the media but only because it focuses on a very specific issue. Similar actions on behalf of a vague notion of men's rights could and would be easily be repressed.

IMHO, hope for the movement lies with the great mass of men, quietly and legally refusing to cooperate. This projection assumes that the leaders of the 'older and wiser' democracies will recognize that something is wrong and make the right changes to prevent total economic collapse. But don't bet your life savings on it. As zombiefarmer said, gold bullion might be a wiser choice. An even wiser one for men would be 'transferrable skills'. They're in your head until you die and when you die you don't need them any more. No wonder the feminists are hell-bent on wrecking boys' education.

In my adopted country, politicos in the far-off capital make grand pronouncements and enact new laws like there's no tomorrow. The media is full of it. People in the provinces just ignore 99% of it and live as they always have, depending on older and more valued means of survival. Call it PGTOW - people going their own way.

The feminist-marxist corpus is stale and corrupt but it's pandemic. It's infected such powerful bodies as the media. the aid organisations and the United Nations. However the cure is simple - just realise that it's self-serving nonsense, as all do here.

Yes, I know. An attempted synopsis of world politics in one post was a stupid idea. End of rant. Please join me in a rousing chorus of , "I will survive!"

Good find bola.
It's a pity Carey Roberts doesn't go on to consider what happens next.
Totalitarian states seem to manage perfectly well when times are good. As long as the masses are being fed and watered nobody wants to rock the boat. Sometimes they even welcome strict discipline - e.g. Singapore. Even North Americans will swallow any amount of propaganda if their comfortable lifestyle can be maintained.

It's hard times that produce change. The Roman Empire needed imported food and slaves like the US needs imported oil and workers. But supplies of resources are hard to manage and all those immigrants bring dangerous new ideas, British India springs to mind too.
Let's take the great Soviet experiment. It failed because it was not economically viable. Dependence on the state enfeebles the people and sooner or later the economy takes a nose-dive. Even the founders of the UK welfare state warned against this possibility. Correct me if I'm wrong anybody, but a change of leadership seems to come into the equation too. The new leader, who is faced with clearing up the mess, decides 'enough is enough'. So where's next? Mugabe's Zimbabwe? Kim Jong Il's Korea?

But to get back to the purpose of this board. I honestly believe that MRAs can learn much from history. A 'revolutionary' movement like F4J gains grudging sympathy in the media but only because it focuses on a very specific issue. Similar actions on behalf of a vague notion of men's rights could and would be easily be repressed.

IMHO, hope for the movement lies with the great mass of men, quietly and legally refusing to cooperate. This projection assumes that the leaders of the 'older and wiser' democracies will recognize that something is wrong and make the right changes to prevent total economic collapse. But don't bet your life savings on it. As zombiefarmer said, gold bullion might be a wiser choice. An even wiser one for men would be 'transferrable skills'. They're in your head until you die and when you die you don't need them any more. No wonder the feminists are hell-bent on wrecking boys' education.

In my adopted country, politicos in the far-off capital make grand pronouncements and enact new laws like there's no tomorrow. The media is full of it. People in the provinces just ignore 99% of it and live as they always have, depending on older and more valued means of survival. Call it PGTOW - people going their own way.

The feminist-marxist corpus is stale and corrupt but it's pandemic. It's infected such powerful bodies as the media. the aid organisations and the United Nations. However the cure is simple - just realise that it's self-serving nonsense, as all do here.

Yes, I know. An attempted synopsis of world politics in one post was a stupid idea. End of rant. Please join me in a rousing chorus of , "I will survive!"

I feel often that way. What makes it even worse is the depressing realization that most men cheerily collaborate on their own subjugation or at least shrug their shoulders over it. Some men here and there grumble, but most of them don't seem to care. That makes me wonder why I should care. Staying out of trouble is my first priority. And spreading the word. The more men wake up the better. Most of the time you'll just get ridiculed though. Ah well... at least they can't say we didn't warn them.

I feel often that way. What makes it even worse is the depressing realization that most men cheerily collaborate on their own subjugation or at least shrug their shoulders over it. Some men here and there grumble, but most of them don't seem to care. That makes me wonder why I should care. Staying out of trouble is my first priority. And spreading the word. The more men wake up the better. Most of the time you'll just get ridiculed though. Ah well... at least they can't say we didn't warn them.

Exactly! Secure yourself first. Then the ridicule falls like water from a duck's back. Who will have the last laugh?

Exactly! Secure yourself first. Then the ridicule falls like water from a duck's back. Who will have the last laugh?

I find that most people don't care about things until it smacks them good one time. I wonder how many of these guys give up once it does hit them full force? Like a bad trip to the fem-courts and having eveything snatched from them including children and visitation. False accusations to top it.
Too many young men are giving in to suicide.

It's cold, cruel world sometimes.

I find that most people don't care about things until it smacks them good one time. I wonder how many of these guys give up once it does hit them full force? Like a bad trip to the fem-courts and having eveything snatched from them including children and visitation. False accusations to top it.
Too many young men are giving in to suicide.

It's cold, cruel world sometimes.

The flaw in the Franco-German socialist philosophy that the political left has adopted, and why it is always doomed to failure, lies in a misunderstanding of human nature: It wrongly assumes that human beings are fundamentally "good", and therefore perfectible. That this is untrue was self-evident to the British philosopher John Locke as well as to the founders of America, which is why the US government was based a system that sought only to facilitate resolution of interpersonal disputes, and did not attempt to end them.

Socialists, in their attempts to perfect humanity, keep colliding with our fundamental selfishness, which they insist is a result of our ignorance, not our fundamental nature. So they seek to "educate" us, that we may fit their image of perfection. The problem is that perfection means different things to different people, so that government must enforce a common definition of perfection. But the only way do that is through coercion, and the definition is necessarily determined by whomever controls the government. Socialism is therefore an inescapably tyrannical system, a trait that history has so frightfully proved.

The flaw in the Franco-German socialist philosophy that the political left has adopted, and why it is always doomed to failure, lies in a misunderstanding of human nature: It wrongly assumes that human beings are fundamentally "good", and therefore perfectible. That this is untrue was self-evident to the British philosopher John Locke as well as to the founders of America, which is why the US government was based a system that sought only to facilitate resolution of interpersonal disputes, and did not attempt to end them.

Socialists, in their attempts to perfect humanity, keep colliding with our fundamental selfishness, which they insist is a result of our ignorance, not our fundamental nature. So they seek to "educate" us, that we may fit their image of perfection. The problem is that perfection means different things to different people, so that government must enforce a common definition of perfection. But the only way do that is through coercion, and the definition is necessarily determined by whomever controls the government. Socialism is therefore an inescapably tyrannical system, a trait that history has so frightfully proved.