Feminist blogger Jeff Fecke admits to being a gender feminist, and attacks "equity feminists" as "anti-feminists" in disguise, in his latest blog posting... As to the distinction between gender-vs-equity feminism and the merits of each, I say "Whatever." But his blog posting does reveal the condescension that gender feminists have toward women who make choices to embrace lifestyles that conform to gender roles -- such as being housewives. He considers it oppression when women make such choices, but thinks it is privilege when men conform to gender roles by being providers.

Here's his blog posting:
http://moderateleft.com/?p=3747

And here's my reply, also quoted below:
http://moderateleft.com/?p=3747#comment-147675

Excellent, feminists eating their own...

Don't stand in the way of their feasting as they annihilate themselves out of sheer boredom. Nickpicking and references every action as a "feminist constuction" issue, how painfully dumb.

They have won every possible right for the spoilt sex and then some.

I have often accused them of eating their own whenever the need arises and here's the proof..

Deluded half wit. If he wants to delude himself in to thinking men and women are equal, let him. Society, and law, has been falling over itself for decades now to roll out the red carpet for women for when they attempt things, and they still fall behind men in the work place. Men are more suited to the work place, women are more suited to staying at home nesting. Simple as.

quote:
So you don’t like “gender feminist” and “equity feminist.” What are better terms?

What Sommers and her ilk rail against is the idea that women should be able to define for themselves what “conforming to gender” means. (And, for that matter, that men should be able to define it for themselves.) But self-determination — the ability to live one’s life as one pleases, without having to bow and scrape before society’s arbitrary definitions of gender — is at the core of modern feminism...

...In short, there’s no such thing as gender feminism; those people who think that society and government must both strive to support equality and self-determination are feminists. And there’s no such thing as equity feminism, because one can’t reach true equity without changing society as well as government. Because “equity feminists” are against actually achieving feminist goals, they are anti-feminists.

Isn’t that a bit harsh?

Look, the anti-feminists know that for all their griping, people no longer believe that women should be barred from the workplace. Nobody supports laws that give men unfair advantages. So the fact is that technical equality is already a fait accompli. The battleground for feminism now is over the definition of gender roles. “Equity feminism” says, essentially, that we’re done, that we’ve reached true equality between men and women, and the feminists should shut up. In other words. If you think that we truly have reached a point when men and women are truly equal, in all senses of the word, then fine, you can call yourself an equity feminist if you wish. Here in the real world, those of us who are truly feminist will continue to fight for actual, real, and lasting equality between men and women, homosexuals and heterosexuals, cisgendered and transgendered. That will have some legal components — the law isn’t completely gender-balanced yet — but most of the work will be in changing the minds of people in our society, one at a time. That’s the battleground we have to engage in. And those arguing we should avoid it are arguing that the battle for equality, true equality, is a battle that should be left unfought.


So they see themselves as an oppressed minority, I get that. But what about the views of the majority? Or maybe it's really all about creating a new elite of non-breeders telling the rest of us what to do?

I haven't read it yet, but you just reminded me of something I thought of yesterday. It's obvious, but it was terribly profound to me because you could substitute "my mother" for "feminists" in it, and come up with my life! Which explains a LOT, including why I'm so passionate about this movement:

"Feminists say it's ok for a woman to have a mind of her own, as long as she thinks what they want her to think."

One of the most pro-female / anti-male newspapers in the UK is the bloody Daily Telegraph. Practically every single day the paper prints articles on the theme of "strong woman/effective woman/girl power/girls ahead in all aspects of modern life/educated woman/victim woman/hardworking woman/innocent woman/women better than men" v. "weak man/ineffective man/troublsome boys/boys not doing well/boys falling behind girls/badly behaved boys/guilty man/violent man/men not as good as women in this that and the other....." and all that sort of crap, time and time again.

This is today's contribution to the Wonder Woman / Manky Man thing:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nwomen106.xml

Doesn't it make you want to throw up when you think of the real truth as it is? Everything, but everything, is now discussed and commented on from the viewpoint of the woman! Everything has to be about her and how it is for her and the guy seems to be totally disregarded in so many ways.

Excellent stuff john.. Them manginas are sickening eh?? I dont think the MGTOW philosophy needs to be about destroying gender roles..

I think we should just do as we please and not worry about roles, after all, if they naturally exist, well, they will find a way.. If they dont, then, well, they should not arise..

Young women are catching on to this. I have noticed that more and more of them don't want to be like their super-woman mothers. They're starting to realize that feminism is a lie, that you really can't have it all, and that a good husband beats a bunch of cats.

There is some good in this all.

I'd put a tenner down to bet that they would'nt want to be in the same position as their oppressed and villified and demeaned dad either. So tell these girls "Tough shit. Take it up with you rmother"