Feminists want chivalry when it suits them. Pumping gas is easy but for harder tasks (like heavy lifting, hazardous jobs, etc...) feminists aren't looking for eqaulity.

Further, when it comes to the law feminists are more than happy to accept (and push for) chivalry from police officers, lawyers, judges and politicians.

There's certainly some irony in feminism being associated with the condemnation of chivalry; it is, after all, chivalry which allowed it to flourish. If it weren't for most men's inner sense of chivalry, they wouldn't put up with the shit they do, from women, courtesy of feminism. Men have always had this inner sense of chivalry; only now days, women are encouraged to exploit which.

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There's certainly some irony in feminism being associated with the condemnation of chivalry; it is, after all, chivalry which allowed it to flourish. If it weren't for most men's inner sense of chivalry, they wouldn't put up with the shit they do, from women, courtesy of feminism. Men have always had this inner sense of chivalry; only now days, women are encouraged to exploit which.

Today I went to school on crutches (sprained ankle)...and there were both men and women who were kind enough to hold open doors for me. I'm glad there are still a good number of helpful people in the world.

There's no need for chivalry. But there is always a need for simple kindness.

Another word or two about chivalry...chivalry has always been a tool some men use to impress the ladies (sorry guys, it's true), and there have always been some ladies who are either 1) not interested/indifferent, 2) unappreciative, or 3) offended, but on the other hand, there have always been some ladies who are 1) attentive to it, 2) appreciative of it, and 3) impressed by it, and 4) some expect it. Sometimes chivalry does win the ladies...but in and of itself, chivalry is a risky business for men. The practice of chivalry does not guarantee a positive outcome, or reciprocity, therefore, those who practice it, do so at their own risk. Some men are chivalrous because they want to be. They know they don't have to, but they choose to, and some don't do it to impress, they do it because it makes them feel good about themselves.

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Today I went to school on crutches (sprained ankle)...and there were both men and women who were kind enough to hold open doors for me. I'm glad there are still a good number of helpful people in the world.

There's no need for chivalry. But there is always a need for simple kindness.

How nice! Just how much of a factor do you think your gender was in bringing about such a nice, cosy, heart warming positivity towards you and your plight then from all those charming people, hmmmm?

If there is anything that makes me start to see a red mist is when I, a male, hold open a door for a female who then sails through like a stately galleon without so much as a glance, let alone the merest smidgeon of common decency and courtesy in the form of appreciation - personally I never experience any physical difficulty myself in voicing two very simple English words - thank you, or if that is a bit excessive "thanks" - even a grudging "ta! will do.

Worst offenders appear to be Thirty Something Females - you know the ones.....they abound all over the bloody shop...probably professionals or types who have managed to shag their way up the ladder. Each time such a female sails through my held open door without any word of thanks I feel an almost irresistible urge to aim my foot at her arse full force.

I was in a store in Worcester once and as I passed through the main door that most horrendus of sights (and sounds) appeared before me - a sizeable group of American women - they approached the door I was holding open as I entered. I stood aside, holding the door as all these wimmin filed past, not one looking at me, not one offering a word of thanks. They just sailed by like a lot of ageing, over made up, over spoliled, loud mouthed harridans, all yelling out so loudly they must have been heard by people out on the top of the nearby Malvern Hills. I simply didn't exist in their eyes, and no way could I have been taken for an official store door attendant!

I hold doors open for anybody, no matter who, and no matter what gender.

What is it with the voices of American females? They make me cringe - and the older they get the more like croaking frogs they get to sound like - so rasping and harsh. Yuk! Not to mention f*****g LOUD!

Ledburian... hey now....I happen to be a "thirty-something" American female and I certainly do know how to say "thank you" when someone is kind and holds a door open for me. I think most women are appreciative. But you're right, there's a good many who are not, and I don't blame you for being upset by that.

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How nice! Just how much of a factor do you think your gender was in bringing about such a nice, cosy, heart warming positivity towards you and your plight then from all those charming people, hmmmm?

If there is anything that makes me start to see a red mist is when I, a male, hold open a door for a female who then sails through like a stately galleon without so much as a glance, let alone the merest smidgeon of common decency and courtesy in the form of appreciation - personally I never experience any physical difficulty myself in voicing two very simple English words - thank you, or if that is a bit excessive "thanks" - even a grudging "ta! will do.

Worst offenders appear to be Thirty Something Females - you know the ones.....they abound all over the bloody shop...probably professionals or types who have managed to shag their way up the ladder. Each time such a female sails through my held open door without any word of thanks I feel an almost irresistible urge to aim my foot at her arse full force.

I was in a store in Worcester once and as I passed through the main door that most horrendus of sights (and sounds) appeared before me - a sizeable group of American women - they approached the door I was holding open as I entered. I stood aside, holding the door as all these wimmin filed past, not one looking at me, not one offering a word of thanks. They just sailed by like a lot of ageing, over made up, over spoliled, loud mouthed harridans, all yelling out so loudly they must have been heard by people out on the top of the nearby Malvern Hills. I simply didn't exist in their eyes, and no way could I have been taken for an official store door attendant!

I hold doors open for anybody, no matter who, and no matter what gender.

Few things agitate me as much as a complete and utter lack of manners.

I, too, hold the door open for people of all genders. I've also taught my children much about good manners.

I remember on one occasion, my oldest son, who was only 8 years old at the time, had, being his well-mannered self, hurried to hold open the door for a group of people. Every single one of then, men as well as women, tromped on through the door without even bothering to glance at him. No 'thank you', no smile in appreciation, not even the slightest acknowledgement that he was standing there holding the door for them.

It's pretty sad when an 8 year old boy has better manners than grown adults.

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Another word or two about chivalry...chivalry has always been a tool some men use to impress the ladies (sorry guys, it's true), and there have always been some ladies who are either 1) not interested/indifferent, 2) unappreciative, or 3) offended, but on the other hand, there have always been some ladies who are 1) attentive to it, 2) appreciative of it, and 3) impressed by it, and 4) some expect it. Sometimes chivalry does win the ladies...but in and of itself, chivalry is a risky business for men. The practice of chivalry does not guarantee a positive outcome, or reciprocity, therefore, those who practice it, do so at their own risk. Some men are chivalrous because they want to be. They know they don't have to, but they choose to, and some don't do it to impress, they do it because it makes them feel good about themselves.

No. You obviously don't understand what chivalry is.


Holding doors open for people is just being polite. Chivalry would be if a girl was walking ahead of you and you ran ahead of her to open a door for her. Or if when on a date you pulled out the chair for the girl you were with. Or (and this is the worst kind) you see a guy smacking around a girl and you jump in to be a mangina hero because you hate guys who hit women.

We should all be polite, but chivalry is the idea that women should be treated deferentially. Guys who are chivalrous are manginas and they should die. Real men don't respect women.

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No. You obviously don't understand what chivalry is.


Holding doors open for people is just being polite. Chivalry would be if a girl was walking ahead of you and you ran ahead of her to open a door for her. Or if when on a date you pulled out the chair for the girl you were with. Or (and this is the worst kind) you see a guy smacking around a girl and you jump in to be a mangina hero because you hate guys who hit women.

We should all be polite, but chivalry is the idea that women should be treated deferentially. Guys who are chivalrous are manginas and they should die. Real men don't respect women.

"Real men don't respect women. Guys who are chivalrous are manginas and they should die." Oh Otis, I doubt you really mean that.

You may be right about my not fully understanding chivalry. I don't mind it if a man wants to pull out a chair for me, or open a car door for me. (I guess I'm one of those women who actually appreciates the gesture. It does impress me.) But you mention a guy (mangina) who tries to step in and stop another guy from smacking a girl around. You say he's "the worst kind." I disagree. That kind of man takes risks not many others would take, and he often does not get any sort of reward for that behavior. He does it because he feels it's the right thing to do. Is it chivalrous, or is it helping behavior?

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Real men don't respect women.

Needless to say, there are men who have bought into feminism; men who are willing to betray their fellow man in the belief that they will appeal more to women by doing so. That said, a wise person respects those who deserve respect. Respect should be given based solely upon a person's actions...their character and merits. I know many men who respect those women whose characters render them worthy of that respect and yes, they are unquestionably "real men".

Chivalry dictates that men respect women simply because they are women. Wisdom dictates that respect is given based upon a person's merits.

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Real men don't respect women.

Blah Blah Blah.... give it a fuckin' rest and grow up.

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If you are doing your boyfriends laundry, driving him around, pumping the gas, taking out the trash and holding the door open for him- that is not what makes you a feminist.






So what does a woman do?


It was answered later on.




My boyfriend drives me everywhere. He is always the one who pumps gas. However, he's also the one who does my laundry and cooks for me. Would the doctor be so outraged if he saw the girl cooking for her boyfriend while the boyfriend lazed around? Probably not.




Is this what dating is coming to? If he enjoys her cooking he is obviously a misogynist but if SHE enjoys him cooking she is empowered.


I have never seen a woman respect a man who gave more than she did.




http://oftravelsandtravails.blogspot...-vs-women.html

My hubby cooked a simply Out-Of-This-World-Delicious lamb curry that was a beautiful (yes, I can assure you it was beautiful) mixture of Indian and European cuisines. Having studied in Switzerland, he has superb taste and an amazing ability to mix flavors to come up with incredible results. While he is up in the air concocting some sublime menu's, I am sitting for hours on end to come up with an average run-of-the-mill menu. Granted, the mood to cook doesn't strike too often, but when it does, one is sure to be given a royal treat.

I wonder how often women cook like this for men. Pretty much never.

MM,

With a continuously negative attitude toward women like the one you present, you likely will have a hard time finding a woman willing to cook you a gourmet meal. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

self-fulfilling prophecy

There is a lot of it about. Tera !

I think MM would be ideal for knocking up a quick meal.

Chips.