Excellent comments in response to a Julie Bindel article | |
The following are comments posted in response to Julie Bindel's Comment is Free article: Two women killed each week Quote:
And how many men are being killed each week?
Look we know that some men are violent, so are some women by the way, but it is this concentration on one set of victims of male violence, women, that gets my and other peoples goat. The most likely victim of a violent mans violence is another man.
Campaign against all violence no matter the sex of the victim and you get my vote. | Quote:
1 man killed every 1 1/2 weeks. 30 men a year killed by their partners a year.
www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/hors276.pdf
Title: Domestic violence, sexual assault and stalking: Findings from the British Crime Survey
The BCS estimates that 13% of women and 9% of men had been subject to domestic violence (abuse, threats or force), sexual victimisation or stalking in the twelve months prior to interview.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/l...icle587546.ece
'Of 24,000 partners who suffered serious wounding with a weapon, 11,000 were men.'
In other words, 45.8% were men, and 54.2% were women.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/5092100.stm
60% (women) said it was acceptable for women to hit their husbands while 35% admitted assaulting their partner.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/6169001.stm
Many male victims fear they will not be taken seriously
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hors170.pdf
Home Office research: Understanding the sentencing of women
"A superficial examination of the criminal statistics suggests that, for virtually every type of offence, women are treated more leniently than men. "
" Conclusion. This study reveals major differences in the use of noncustodial penalties for men and women. Women were consistently more likely than men to be discharged even when their circumstances appeared, on the basis of the available data, entirely comparable. "
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Mothers kill 25% more children than fathers do.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...4/table4_5.htm
US Child Fatalities 2004 total 981
Mother was the killer or involved in 63.3% of all child deaths
Father was the killer or involved in 38.3% of all child deaths
Mother Only 31.3%
Father Only 14.4%
Mother and Father 20.5%
Mother, Father, and Other 2.2%
Mother and Other 9.3%
Father and Other 1.2%
Administration for Children and Families (ACF), federal agency
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...4/table4_5.htm
Perpetrators of Maltreatment
Approximately two-fifths (38.8%) of child victims were maltreated by their mothers acting alone;
another 18.3 percent were maltreated by their fathers acting alone.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...three.htm#perp
http://www.blog4justice.org/press.php
Domestic violence campaigners accused of bias
Two top health researchers have accused the Families Commission of "ideologically driven" bias in presenting domestic violence as a problem of men battering women.
Professor David Fergusson and Associate Professor Richie Poulton said their respective long-term studies of people born in Christchurch and Dunedin in the 1970s showed that most domestic violence was mutual.
" In a high proportion of these couples, we are seeing mutual fighting. It's brawling," said Professor Fergusson.
Professor Fergusson said: "It is my frank view the commission's stance on domestic violence is not being guided by a dispassionate and balanced consideration of the evidence.
"Rather, it is being guided by an ideologically driven model that assumes on a priori grounds that domestic violence is a male problem and that female-initiated domestic violence does not exist or is so trivial that it can be ignored in the commission's policy focus."
The country's longest-running study of a birth cohort, covering 1037 people born in Dunedin in the year ending March 1973, found that 37 per cent of women and 22 per cent of men who had partners by the age of 21 had perpetrated acts of violence against their partners ranging from "pushing, grabbing or shoving" (29 per cent of women, 21 per cent of men) up to "beating up" (1 per cent of both men and women).
At age 21, 360 of the young people in the sample agreed to bring their partners to be interviewed too, providing what was said in 2001 to be the world's "largest study of abuse in a representative sample of couples to date".
The results showed that both partners abused each other in most couples where any abuse occurred.
Only 6 per cent of men committed abuse when both partners agreed that the woman did not commit any abuse, but 18 per cent of women committed abuse where the man did not. Male and female abusers shared "the same history of childhood conduct disorder and adolescent juvenile delinquency long predating their partner abuse".
The researchers concluded that women were not simply defending themselves against male attackers but that both sexes' violence stemmed from deep-rooted personality traits such as distrusting other people and being prone to anger, arising from a mix of genetics and upbringing.
They therefore recommended therapy for men and women, possibly including joint counselling for couples - an approach that is strongly opposed by anti-violence agencies.
These results were mirrored last year by Professor Fergusson's study of 1265 people born in Christchurch in 1977, of whom 1003 were re- interviewed at age 25.
Again, similar numbers of men and women reported violent acts against their partners - 6.7 per cent of men and 5.5 per cent of women said they had carried out minor assaults such as pushing or shoving, and 2.8 per cent of men and 3.2 per cent of women reported severe assaults such as punching, kicking or beating up their partners.
He said the commission was "trying to have a bob each way" by saying that it was focusing on this tiny proportion of severe violence, yet also suggesting that domestic violence affected a fifth of the population.
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Violence against women and children is an especially low and cowardly crime, and I along with the vast majority of men condemn it absolutely, but the article is about what proportion of men commit these crimes.
'A handful of men' - 'A significant number of men' - 'more men than you are prepared to admit' - all a bit vague, until you get to the last sentence - 'men who deny the prevalence are as much part of the problem as those who directly harm women' - ie, all men are rapists, or as good as.
Anyway Julie, what is your informed guess, as a percentage of the male population? (Actively criminal, not the 'deniers').
| Quote: www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/hors276.pdf
Title: Domestic violence, sexual assault and stalking: Findings from the British Crime Survey
Authors: Sylvia Walby & Jonathan Allen Series: Home Office Research Study 276 Number of pages: 146 Date published: March 2004
The BCS estimates that 13% of women and 9% of men had been subject to domestic violence (abuse, threats or force), sexual victimisation or stalking in the twelve months prior to interview.
4% of women and 2% of men were subject to domestic violence (non-sexual domestic threats or force) during the last year.
Among women subject to domestic violence in the last year, the average number of incidents was 20, while 28% experienced 1 incident only. Of men subject to domestic violence in the last year, the average number of incidents was 7, while 1 incident was experienced by 47%
8% of women and 6% of men were subject to stalking during the last year. This means that over 1.2 million women and almost 900,000 men were affected.
46% of women sustained a minor physical injury, 20% a moderate physical injury, and 6% severe injuries, while for 31% it resulted in mental or emotional problems.
Among men, 41% sustained a minor physical injury, 14% a moderate physical injury, 1% severe injuries and 9% mental or emotional problems.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/5092100.stm
Survey finds male abuse approval
BBC Sunday, 18 June 2006, 12:39 GMT 13:39 UK
Many of the Glasgow women admitted assaulting a partner
More than half of women questioned at a Glasgow university said they approved of wives hitting their husbands. The Glasgow Caledonian students were among 6,500 women surveyed from 36 universities for an international study into attitudes on domestic violence.
Of the 200 women, 60% said it was acceptable for women to hit their husbands while 35% admitted assaulting their partner.
A total of 8% admitted injuring them - the highest rate in the study.
The injured men suffered bruises, cuts or broken bones.
Among European students, only English women were more likely to have carried out assaults, with 41% admitting that they had punched or kicked their partners.
We need make the same 'big deal' about violence by women as we do about men who behave violently | |
3rd-July-2008
