The Drug War
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- 18th-March-2009 #1
The Drug War
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- 18th-March-2009 #2
Re: The Drug War
Good vid, thanks for posting it.
On a related note,
The success of drug decriminalization in Portugal
In 2001, Portugal became the only EU-member state to decriminalize drugs, a distinction which continues through to the present. Last year, working with the Cato Institute, I went to that country in order to research the effects of the decriminalization law (which applies to all substances, including cocaine and heroin) and to interview both Portuguese and EU drug policy officials and analysts (the central EU drug policy monitoring agency is, by coincidence, based in Lisbon). Evaluating the policy strictly from an empirical perspective, decriminalization has been an unquestionable success, leading to improvements in virtually every relevant category and enabling Portugal to manage drug-related problems (and drug usage rates) far better than most Western nations that continue to treat adult drug consumption as a criminal offense.
On April 3, at 12:00 noon, at the Cato Institute in Washington, I'll be presenting the 50-page report I wrote for Cato, entitled Drug Decriminalization in Portugal. Following my presentation, a supporter of drug criminalization laws -- Peter Reuter, a Professor in the University of Maryland's Department of Criminology -- will comment on the report (and I'll be able to comment after that), and then there will be a Q-and-A session with the audience. The event is open to the public and free of charge. Details and registration are here at Cato's site, where the event can also be watched live online (and, possibly, on C-SPAN).
There is clearly a growing recognition around the world and even in the U.S. that, strictly on empirical grounds, criminalization approaches to drug usage and, especially, the "War on Drugs," are abject failures, because they worsen the exact problems they are ostensibly intended to address. "Strictly on empirical grounds" means excluding from the assessment: (a) ideological questions regarding the legitimacy of imprisoning adults for consuming drugs they choose to consume; (b) the evisceration of Constitutional and civil liberties wrought by drug criminalization; and (c) the extraordinary sums of money devoted to the War on Drugs both domestically and internationally.
Very recent events demonstrating this evolving public debate over drug policy include the declaration of the Drug War's failure from several former Latin American leaders; a new Economist Editorial calling for full-scale drug legalization; new polls showing substantial and growing numbers of Americans (and a majority of Canadians) supportive of marijuana legalization; the decision of the DEA to make good on Obama's campaign pledge to cease raids on medical marijuana dispensaries in states which have legalized its usage; and numerous efforts in the political mainstream to redress the harsh and disparate criminal penalties imposed for drug offenses, including Obama's support for treatment rather than prison for first-time drug offenders.
Particularly in the U.S., there is still widespread support for criminalization approaches and even support for the most extreme and destructive aspects of the "War on Drugs," but, for a variety of reasons, the debate over drug policy has become far more open than ever before. Portugal's success with decriminalization is highly instructive, particularly since the impetus for it was their collective recognition in the 1990s that criminalization was failing to address -- and was almost certainly exacerbating -- their exploding, poverty-driven drug crisis. As a consensus in that country now recognizes, decriminalization is what enabled them to manage drug-related problems far more effectively than ever before, and the nightmare scenarios warned of by decriminalization opponents have, quite plainly, never materialized.
The counter-productive effects of drug criminalization are at least as evident now for the U.S. as they were for pre-decriminalization Portugal. Beyond one's ideological beliefs regarding the legitimacy of criminalization, drug policy should be determined by objective, empirical assessments of what works and what does not work. It's now been more than seven years since Portugal decriminalized all drugs, and dispassionately examining the effects of that decision provides a unique opportunity to assess questions of drug policy in the most rational and empirical manner possible.
- 18th-March-2009 #3
Re: The Drug War
decriminilization would be good for the economy(tax dollars and marijuana associated businesses), good for the border(mexican organized crime would lose a big part of its lucrative commericial weed business here in the states), good for the budget, good in every imaginable way except one.............it would mean I had to get a real job
Re: The Drug War
There is no real will to do anything about the drugs business.
DRugs are behind a lot of problems, but, the illegality of drugs is probably the biggest problem.
If we look at that favourite whinetopic of the feminists and many MRA's, DV, it always baffles me why the commonly known factors that underlie many abusing relationships, alcohol and drugs seem to be completely ignored..
Drugs are so often used as an EXCUSE for criminality, which pisses me off because so many criminals are druggies..
Cut out the illegality of the substances, because some folk probably do OK on their chosen drugs and dont need to resort to crime..
There is always the distinction that should be made between the "heads" and the "freaks"..
Some folk are not best suited to a drug habit, some others probably do "better" with a little "herbal assistance.."..
I think myself lucky that I don't need drugs, but I wont deny that some folk may like, or "need" them..
It doesnt take long for a user of any substance to work out how it affects them, if it is detrimental to them, or those around them, then its not doing them any favours and I for one don't see why society should tolerate prats who cant handle their substances!
- 22nd-March-2009 #5
Re: The Drug War
you bring up a good point
damn near every time Ive witnessed family violence one or both of em were fucked up on somethin
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