MRA's are a reaction to the feminit juggernaut resting on men's heads - outrageous Family Court decrees expressed in peonage dues payable to cupcake like alimony child maintenance no access to his kids etc

the feminit courts use the best intentions of men towards his wife and family and turn it into a whip and proceed to flog him with it, then squeeze him for $$$$ to the max

"no fault" sunset clause written into every marriag contract - she walks out on a whim to collect the assets of the marriage and commandeer the kids butthead is left scrambling for acces if he can

the eternal hollering for later abortions ( right "to choose") by the psychopathicfeminits - reminds me of the bloodthirsty practises of the Aztecs who at least were "savages" ha ha

guys being forced to work with wimmin's affirmative claptrap wimin get the same wages but have exemptions from the arduous aspects of work
( exempt from the draft) and men eternally watching out for vacuous claims of harassment from his wimin peers at work every day etc etc etc

I always try and educate intelligent young men not to rush into marriage but I admit they don't seem to want to take my advice on board

@TERA

I do not 'analyse' Western or non-Western women, but I consider myself as MRA.

I see MRAs more into legal studies and I always like to talk with young men regarding Western laws, which are very biased and can ruin a man even if he has best intentions. I hope young Western men will avoid some certain mistakes in future in their life.

After looking into the legal situation in various countries, my conclusion is that a Western man is very good adviced - especially in financial terms - to stay away from a private relationship with a female as much as possible while living in UK/EU - USA/Canada - Australia. It is too risky.

To stay away means a clear NO to marriage, co-habitation, children, contact with single mothers, adoption, and of course to sperm-donorship.

To stay away means further to be very careful while engaged in any private conversation with a female of these areas to avoid false accusations regarding your sexual behaviour.

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I do not give such advice to men in other countries where the legal situation is different and where men are not treated as 2nd class citizens.

I am living in Asia, and I see no reason, why a man here in Japan, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Cambodia etc. should not contact and marry a woman.

Yes, some do.

You have seen here some quite heated discussions around male behaviours.

The emphasis however is on the female behaviours, especially the misandric ones, and the Institutional / Social issues that affect men. That is the nature of the board.

Yes we do analyze ourselves. Evidence of this is that most of us want shared parenting rather than men getting sole custody.

We are not pushing to have women's right to vote taken away or make it so they cannot be educated.

If we were responding by emotion alone then we would be fighting to have women made subserviant to males and we clearly do not advocate such things you posting here and constantly questioning our motives is further proof that we analyze what we do.

And once again we should we concentrate on the wrongs that men do Tera every where we turn that is already being done.

But what is being done here is what is not being done by the general public we analyze what women do because it points out that while society as a whole venerates women we should not because they are no better than us.

And to be frank these types of questions on a men's rights forum are why you keep encountering some who claim you are a feminist.

Your question to me is more about you wanting us to quit pointing out flaws in women than anything else. Well welcome to our world we are more than a little tired of having male flaws pointed out and exaggerated every where we go. I have been a pig at the grocery store the gas station at work and any number of other places.

But for some reason to you it is bad for us to point out the flaws of women in this one place. It must be hard on you reading that women are no better than men and have a whole host of flaws just like we do.

Should we just tow the line and say "Well the predicament we are in isn't feminisms fault so we had better blame men." " After all men are the only ones capable of evil!"

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MRA's are a reaction to the feminit juggernaut...

I don't seek to live my life being a reaction. I intend to BE the action. Maybe that's our problem as MRAs; we're fixated on what feminism has done. The problem is what politicization has done. Too many people in our culture assumed that what we needed was the "right" policy (feminists among them), when all along too few people were questioning whether a government policy was warranted in the first place.

When we started licensing marriages (one of the first examples of trusting in a government policy, and signing away our volition to it), we invited the government into our most private lives. Thereafter, a judge injected himself into the dissolution of a marriage, and now judges are used in order to effect such dissolution even when both parties are unwilling, such as when government agencies allege that one spouse is too helpless to defend against the supposed abuses of the other.

If we MRAs are to be in the habit of analyzing ourselves, then the method should be to determine if we are taking responsibility for our own dumb choices. We blame marriage for restricting us, when in reality we should blame our own sheep-like faith in the government whose validation we sought when we believed in the prerequisite of attaining a marriage license.

In other words, we need to embrace, as a movement, personal responsibility for effecting a solution. Every time we even use the passive voice, alarm bells should be triggered in our mind that alert us that we are not taking that responsibility over our own lives. Men "are not given" equal rights? Are not given? We are the actors. We take! We give. We are the agents of action. We don't wait for fair treatment or "equal" consideration to be bestowed. When we use the passive voice, we cast aside our birthright of being agents of action.

Yes, Tera... I agree that MRAs are too focused on double-standards and the lack of equality, and attribute so many social ills to feminism. The problem is not feminism proper; it's the mentality that individual initiative and personal responsibility are obsolete, now being replaced by public policy. We fixate on achieving the flavor of public policy that suits us (feminism is the dominant paradigm at the moment), but without personal responsibility to effect our own reality, whatever replaces feminism as the dominant policy paradigm will be no better. No better!

I tend to analyze my own behaviours - perhaps not necessarily publicly, but I do analyze myself all the time. I've a very self-critical person.

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Are we fighting fire with fire here? Is it the only way? Maybe it is.

sometimes the ONLY way to control a raging forest fire is to start a fire and burn the fuel it needs to continue to exist-this is a proven method in the forest fire industry and it is highly effective-

Your question to me is more about you wanting us to quit pointing out flaws in women than anything else. Chev.

I do not make this assumption. It is an inference without a sign of implication. It is also presuming an expectation which we all know full well, she as well as we, that would not be met and as such she would hardly bother to have it, let alone express it.

I hear what you say about what some others might say about Tera being a feminist. In my view there is a majority who think in feminist terms and with thinking styles adopted by feminists but they are still far from being the sort of people we need to classify as 'enemy'. Even some men here, who I would call an MRA of sorts, sometimes revert to using feminist thinking modes. I am forever pointing them out.

Indeed, it is something which is growing as we get more and more young men coming here who have had the unfortunate experience of being raised in a virtually all-woman education system and often from homes where the father has been driven out. They have absorbed irrational thinking modes and even attitudes that are feminist in underlying origin. We have to address that by looking to our own behaviours and indeed what help we can give to these young men.

One such, at a fairly deep level, is the 'I am right' attitude; It prevents listeing to arguement and assessing evidence. Fixed ideas abound here.

Another is the 'I am entitled to my own opinion' attitude', despite the opinion being little more than a prejudice and no better than the prejudices we get from feminists all the time; and the 'If I think it, it must be right' attitude, followed by a refusal to listen to people who know better.

Tera can be relied upon (IMHO) to pose questions and raise issues that some other of us would overlook or make some unconscious assumptions about. It is a service to us all that we address some of them.

There is a common divide between the average chap and the average chapess in thinking style. Men tend to think outward - looking at effects upon the world at large. Men used to be taught to do that, by other men, building on a probably innate trait. But it has been severely damaged in many young men who have been agitpropped to hell and back. No one has taught them how to balance the in and the out.

Women tend to look inward at what one thinks and feels. Young men coming here have a tendancy to resist looking at themselves after a short lifetime of being forced to do that in a 'feminine' way.

Both men and women can do both modes of course, and just as we have constantly confronted the women who come here with an obligation to consider matters from the more masculine perspective, it is not unreasonable for us, from time to time, to consider matters from a more subjective perspective.

I read Tera's POV carefully as I do Kim's.

It is encumbent on any soldier to look at himself in whatever ways are available and appropriate. Whilst he may study his enemy and all the tactical skills of a soldier, he must guard against becoming the enemy himself.

His problem is that if he has been brainwashed, he will not know it unless his colleagues tell him.

The same could be said of feminists too TERA.. Of course, you knew that when "posing the question". Why not go on over to fisting and ask them the same question? uhuh... thought so.

Once again, we have an individual of the hate-movement telling us what we should and should not be doing. Once again, WE MEN are the ones that MUST look within ourselves and check OUR language, feelings, and beliefs....etc. ad infinity.

And although I hold high reguards for my fellow Knight, his statement;

"Tera can be relied upon (IMHO) to pose questions and raise issues that some other of us would overlook or make some unconscious assumptions about. It is a service to us all that we address some of them. "

...prooves my point. Actually Sir Percy, TERA can be relied upon to pose questions and raise issues that redirect the flow and feel of the topic (site). She has consistantly shown herself for who she is (IMO).

Questions such as this are nothing more than a way to inject the "poor widdow women' / 'evil insensitive males" angle into everything. It furthermore shows her inclination to create topics that are flavored from the same koolaide packet as most feminists...

This thread as well as "MRAs are homophobic blah blah" are perfect examples.

So when the TERA types of this world begin to check themselves and THEIR beliefs, then and only then will I even entertain the idea that I should check mine.

TMOTS

Ah yes Tera the Feminist plant to tell us Knuckle Draggers to "Man Up" and stop whining about our Treatment. I suggest you go to Feministing.com and go check out the many links and find any venue of Navel Gazing about the Feminist Movement you care to.

As far as why this blog and others exist. The reason is unimportant minor issues like, Life Expectancy, Deaths on the job (94%) Males, Suicide 4 times the rate of Women, Who the money is spent by and on, 85% of Retail Space is devoted exclusively to Women, Cancer funding four times as much on Breast Cancer as Prostate Cancer. The treatment of Men in Family Courts. Marc Rudov's experience mirrors mine, the Judge told Marc. "I don't give a Damn about your Rights." I wrote my Judge and told her she was unfit to sit on the Bench. She ignored my Civil Rights being violated. Lets see my exwife got the Business, House, the Kids, all the money. I left with a suitcase, $20 and left both cars.

The items decreed by the Judge in my Divorce, she sold for Cash. Included items given to me as Gifts. Yeah go peddle your crap elsewhere. As I have posted elsewhere you are a Feminist Plant, here to disrupt the forum. Same thing happened over at the dontgetmarried. com forum. FemBots showed up insulted all the Men, demanded special treatment, and then started posting Porn Images and tried to get the Board shut down for Terms of Service violations.

@Tera:

It is a male vs female think. So I´d say of course we focus more on womens fault, the same way women focus more on mens fault. It would help if we could walk a mile in the other genders shoes (if I recite that saying correctly).

But to be honest, I still hope that we are more balanced on this site. And I know we are far more balanced than any feminist site.

Feckless, I believe we are more balanced... For example, MRA's don't tend to excuse bad male behaviours and we still often slap one another for our less appealing behaviours... example being, men will get infraction points on this site just as women will.

Unlike feminist websites, we allow feminist perspectives to be voiced, and we don't ban them just for having differing opinions - experience by myself and MANY other members has proven that feminist sites will censor, ban, edit & delete comments from MRA's - regardless of how polite and civilized we are on their sites.

So yes, I think we are a damn site more balanced than any feminist site.

I agree with the feminism bit.....but given that here are far more males than females....I guess we are not always fair.

(But of course do not excuse male misbehaviour)

The question merely reflects the fact that women are beyond criticism and should be treated differently, also given the benefit of any doubt. Meanwhile they can accuse any man of any violation. I think not. This explains the reason for my blog. When I started no one dared even utter a word about the selfish sex and I received hate/abuse mail from college professors and wimmyn's studies fanatics.
This ofcourse was fuel to the fire.
I stop when feminists like you do.