I guess it's relative, rather than absolute: in absolute terms, the disabled will be given 'passes', similar to the 'pussy pass', in general; female disabled people, however, will have the 'pussy' element to their passes, in addition to the 'disabled' part. Male and disabled = one box ticked; female and disabled = TWO boxes ticked, however....

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I guess it's relative, rather than absolute: in absolute terms, the disabled will be given 'passes', similar to the 'pussy pass', in general; female disabled people, however, will have the 'pussy' element to their passes, in addition to the 'disabled' part. Male and disabled = one box ticked; female and disabled = TWO boxes ticked, however....

Sorry,I disagree.

I am disabled and have never received an easy pass at anything.

As a matter of fact,because I don't wear a brace or have a visible cast or injury,I am treated like as if I am conning everyone.

Yet when I can hardly walk,most people still don't seem to take notice.

I remember being in an airport where the walk to the terminal from the plane was almost a kilometre,the airline would not give me assistance and I ended up being late and almost crawling on my knee's by the time I got there.

Thanks to Outdoors for acknowledging how there's degrees of disability and how it's not so obvious because men proudly mask what is socially taboo.

I'm not personally disabled myself, but didn't believe I needed to be, to raise something I see as an important issue which undoubtedly further limits already ingrained societal constraints on men.

As well as birth disabilities, we have a number of injured vets and civilians who are members here. It's not about putting them into a victim category, but being aware of their disability and asking if we can help or make things somehow better.

I'm the noisiest exponent of masculinity, but don't see addressing men's disability issues as something unmasculine, more a duty.

I can only comment on what I have seen. I've seen men in wheelchairs struggle to get into a door at a building across the street with no one helping them and then I've seen women in wheelchairs going in the same door with both men and women almost running over to help.

There was a test 'study' (not an official study/survey) in which they had a male actor in casual clothes portray himself as falling ill in front of dozens upon dozens of able-bodied folks. It took something like 20 minutes for a single person to approach and ask "Do you need help?" despite him verbally asking for help as people pass him by.
(Note: having reviewed the video again, I see now it states "more than 20 minutes" - which could be anything.. 40 minutes, 5hrs???)


The TV crew then paid a female actor in casual clothes to do likewise, it took about 4 minutes for the same result.
(Note: Women opt to walk passed the woman, but once a man intervenes, the woman then do so too)


However, the really big change - was when they dressed the actors in business clothes. People rushed to their aid in next to no time.

I don't know about discrimination, but I would expect there to be simply more disabled men than women. The numbers of men losing arms, legs and eyes in military conflicts from which women are protected should take care of that statistic, before we even start on the better health care women receive.

I think it has something to do with why he was disabled. If it's from stupidity, then he is shown some leeway as he is an example of "how men are". However, if it is for something manly like protecting someone, then "that's his job; too bad."

I'm an Engineer and a Scientist and I can tell you that as an experimenter you need to isolate your variables. For one, they used the same exact physical location what looks like to be on the same day. Regardless of sex or dress, the fact is, the first time it took 20 mins, the second time 4, and the third time a mere seconds. It could be that bystanders might be starting to notice that people are passing out on that corner and have nothing to do with their conclusions. The fact that I'm calling that out in question should be significant enough.

Also, the manner in which the actors are feigning is another variable. The first time the man was fully conscious and was in obvious pain, to me it looks like he is sick and about to throw up. I would stay away too.

The second time, the woman looks like she is passed out.

The third time the man looks like he is also passed out.

These are mere observations of possible variables that need to be controlled. Their conclusions are inconclusive, the experiment didn't delve much into what people really athought, they only asked a few people. Their point was more about class etc which didn't make sense given the inconsistent circumstances. I understand it might be unrealistic for this to be totally scientific with a control group etc but they could of at least made it like the Domestic Violence bystander video from ABC.

That one was a much better TV experiment and the conclusion is based on bystander testimonials. i.e. most people think its funny when women hit men, and not funny at all when men hit women (in fact people came to the woman's rescue countless times).
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Going back about 30 years or so I remember seeing statistics that showed that something like 97% of mentally ill male criminals where sent to jail when they should really have been "treated" in hospital while about 97% of women committing the same sort of crimes where "treated" in hospital if there was even the slightest indication that the could have mental health issues..

A bloke I know, was told by the judge that he could not have contact with his kids, because of a mental health issue alone, based on the mothers false allegations alone and the prejudice of the misandric mental health and cafcass services.

A mother I know with the same mental health condition (plus proven and known knowledge that she abused her children) was not only allowed to keep custody of her kids (despite the cafcass officer declaring that the father was a better option for the kids) she was used by social services to provide employment for several useless parasites offering pretend "support" to the cabbage of a woman..

The basic formula works like this:-

Female and disabled, ill, not well, etc.. = Worthy of help and gets it..

Male and disabled, not well, ill etc.. = best not let anyone know, you are sure to be dumped by the woman you are with and treated badly by most people..

One more little anecdote..

A bloke I know recently injured his spine quite badly..

His wife then decided to leave him after 20 or so years of marraige..

Another geezer I used to know (now dead).. Started being unwell a few years ago.. The woman who he had lived with for the previous 20 or so years chucked him out, and not only that, pretty much immediately moved another bloke in and married him..

Added after 15 minutes:

One more "anecdote" or two.. When I was 29, I started hemorrhaging blood from my lungs, quite a serious condition one would think.. After a day or two off work and coughing blood all over the place, the woman I lived with expressed her disgust at me for being so unwell and the next day dissapeared to Germany with my kids, leaving me for dead pretty much..

I did recover, fortunately, somewhat miraculously maybe, in a similar way to another event 4 years earlier when having broken my right femur and leg bones in many places, due to a bike crash, I recovered unexpectedly well after having witnessed my first wife show disdain for the prospect of having a husband who would be crippled for life..

I can tell you chaps without a shadow of a doubt, many experiments I have done over the years with women have shown to me that they are truly selfish in the extreme.. If a man cannot "provide" for them, they will fuck him off as soon as they get a chance..

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Going back about 30 years or so I remember seeing statistics that showed that something like 97% of mentally ill male criminals where sent to jail when they should really have been "treated" in hospital while about 97% of women committing the same sort of crimes where "treated" in hospital if there was even the slightest indication that the could have mental health issues..

A bloke I know, was told by the judge that he could not have contact with his kids, because of a mental health issue alone, based on the mothers false allegations alone and the prejudice of the misandric mental health and cafcass services.

A mother I know with the same mental health condition (plus proven and known knowledge that she abused her children) was not only allowed to keep custody of her kids (despite the cafcass officer declaring that the father was a better option for the kids) she was used by social services to provide employment for several useless parasites offering pretend "support" to the cabbage of a woman..

The basic formula works like this:-

Female and disabled, ill, not well, etc.. = Worthy of help and gets it..

Male and disabled, not well, ill etc.. = best not let anyone know, you are sure to be dumped by the woman you are with and treated badly by most people..

One more little anecdote..

A bloke I know recently injured his spine quite badly..

His wife then decided to leave him after 20 or so years of marraige..

Another geezer I used to know (now dead).. Started being unwell a few years ago.. The woman who he had lived with for the previous 20 or so years chucked him out, and not only that, pretty much immediately moved another bloke in and married him..

Added after 15 minutes:

One more "anecdote" or two.. When I was 29, I started hemorrhaging blood from my lungs, quite a serious condition one would think.. After a day or two off work and coughing blood all over the place, the woman I lived with expressed her disgust at me for being so unwell and the next day dissapeared to Germany with my kids, leaving me for dead pretty much..

I did recover, fortunately, somewhat miraculously maybe, in a similar way to another event 4 years earlier when having broken my right femur and leg bones in many places, due to a bike crash, I recovered unexpectedly well after having witnessed my first wife show disdain for the prospect of having a husband who would be crippled for life..

I can tell you chaps without a shadow of a doubt, many experiments I have done over the years with women have shown to me that they are truly selfish in the extreme.. If a man cannot "provide" for them, they will fuck him off as soon as they get a chance..

Based on the fact that you've had experience with many women, based on the fact that I already have had suspicions and based on the fact that other men are saying and seeing the same things that I have I'm going to take your word for it.

Very few people want to honestly and bluntly criticize women no matter how true the criticism is, though. I could point out a very real example of how a woman I'm related to is mistreated and people will turn around and say those people are evil because they're mistreating a woman but when the same is applied to a man suddenly it isn't evil but something else.

You brought in another angle. If you marry a woman and she doesn't divorce you and the marriage is at least tolerable chances are that she isn't with you for better or worse. As long as you're doing well at fulfilling your role to her some will stay put but as soon as things get worse they show a different side (that was always there).

As the old saying goes "when the going gets tough the women get going."

This is another reason why it is difficult for me to trust most women who claim to support the men's movement (not all, though). I actually should write a list of my concerns but basically the men's movement has barely gotten off the ground, it has barely done shit (and if it has why are things worse for men than before?) and yet we already face opposition from women who supposedly are anti-feminists (those same women are anti-MRA too but don't say it in front of us always).

When things really get tough and we really need help, well, if women won't stick by their husbands why would they stick by a movement that doesn't directly benefit them when that movement faces tough opposition and needs help from them?

Who here thinks women will support the men's movement when they can no longer set him up for child support, use the system to leech off of him and when they have to cope without men's taxes or starve? Some of the very things we consider oppression are the things women consider necessary because they've become accustomed to it.

When shit gets real we'll find out who supports what.

are not all men disabled in a feminit order !

the process starts at birth does it not ;and is rounded off in university!

if the process is successful he is now a well integrated member of the order and supports it overtly and covertly as a mangina

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Going back about 30 years or so I remember seeing statistics that showed that something like 97% of mentally ill male criminals where sent to jail when they should really have been "treated" in hospital while about 97% of women committing the same sort of crimes where "treated" in hospital if there was even the slightest indication that the could have mental health issues..

A bloke I know, was told by the judge that he could not have contact with his kids, because of a mental health issue alone, based on the mothers false allegations alone and the prejudice of the misandric mental health and cafcass services.

A mother I know with the same mental health condition (plus proven and known knowledge that she abused her children) was not only allowed to keep custody of her kids (despite the cafcass officer declaring that the father was a better option for the kids) she was used by social services to provide employment for several useless parasites offering pretend "support" to the cabbage of a woman..

The basic formula works like this:-

Female and disabled, ill, not well, etc.. = Worthy of help and gets it..

Male and disabled, not well, ill etc.. = best not let anyone know, you are sure to be dumped by the woman you are with and treated badly by most people..

One more little anecdote..

A bloke I know recently injured his spine quite badly..

His wife then decided to leave him after 20 or so years of marraige..

Another geezer I used to know (now dead).. Started being unwell a few years ago.. The woman who he had lived with for the previous 20 or so years chucked him out, and not only that, pretty much immediately moved another bloke in and married him..

Added after 15 minutes:

One more "anecdote" or two.. When I was 29, I started hemorrhaging blood from my lungs, quite a serious condition one would think.. After a day or two off work and coughing blood all over the place, the woman I lived with expressed her disgust at me for being so unwell and the next day dissapeared to Germany with my kids, leaving me for dead pretty much..

I did recover, fortunately, somewhat miraculously maybe, in a similar way to another event 4 years earlier when having broken my right femur and leg bones in many places, due to a bike crash, I recovered unexpectedly well after having witnessed my first wife show disdain for the prospect of having a husband who would be crippled for life..

I can tell you chaps without a shadow of a doubt, many experiments I have done over the years with women have shown to me that they are truly selfish in the extreme.. If a man cannot "provide" for them, they will fuck him off as soon as they get a chance..

Totally.

This is why the 'traditional' man doesnt show his hurt and wont go to the doctor, because he learns the lessons from very early on.

case in point, when I was married, we had just moved to a new place more inland. Well I guess my body wasnt used to such cold winters. Being on the coast all my life, the ocean keeps things like humidity and temperature in check. Well, we moved to this place, and the winter was the coldest I have ever felt, and the air was 'different'. Probably the lack of salt, I dunno. But what happened was I was having a hard time breathing. It got so bad that one night I started to turn blue. I remember seeing my finger tips purple/blue, and I just couldn't breath. I told my then wife and she brushed me off, it quickly got worse and I started to see stars then I hit the floor weezing. I remember her standing over me, she said "well...you are sort of blue." I was afraid to sleep and not wake up, so I stayed up the whole night, then I drove myself to the clinic 20 miles away. She said we couldn't afford the hospital, so I should go there were our insurance covers it. Did she even bother to drive me? Hell no, I had to drive myself, fucking crazy.

Turned out I had walking pneumonia, and I could have died that night based on my report.

Other times she was cold were much less serious, events that would bring me to tears disgusted her.

So ya, women taught me to suck it up. The only female that will care about your state of being is your momma. Have I ever let a woman see my weak side again? Not really. I take care of my problems 100 percent on my own. If I need to go to the doc, I do it without telling anyone. No one respects an injured man, I wont show it unless I can't help it (like my leg is cutoff or something).

I guess it makes sense biologically, women don't want weak men. And guess what? I don't want a muscular woman either I think it is disgusting. So I can't really judge that much except that people can be savages. Even if she did feel remorse, it would still be very much a turnoff for any woman to see me all hurt and needing help.

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Other times she was cold were much less serious, events that would bring me to tears disgusted her.

Women are cold and disconnected, perhaps not all women but enough women for me to claim so.

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The only female that will care about your state of being is your momma.

This isn't a given.

Seems my nieghbour's wife was ready to leave him after he was laid-off from a good job.

He then started his own business and is doing extremely well for himself.

I hear no talk of her leaving him now.

This is how some women are,even though she makes good money and could probably support the family with her wages alone,it was iether he get a high paying job now and support my spoiled-ass lifestyle or I will find someone who can.

No concern for the kid's whatsoever,just concern about the money he was not making while looking for a new job.

Goes to show the selfishness and entitled to entitlement's attitude some women have.

Her hubby bought her a new vehicle this spring with his money,his attitude was..."anything to keep her happy".