Thread: The Definition of a Man?

Short post - big questions.
Short answers -

Can you become a man if you are a slave to pussy ... in all of its forms?

Yes, but it's not easy.

What would your life become if you did not desire it?

- Easier.

What would your life become if you did not desire it?

- Easier.[/quote] Or gay - no, i'm not being insulting, just stating a fact that if you don't sexually desire muff, you may crave dick instead.

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This will be blunt and direct.

Simply this ---

Can you become a man if you are a slave to pussy ... in all of its forms?

What would your life become if you did not desire it?

That's my question.

There's a difference between being a slave to something and desiring it. I desire it, sure, but that doesn't mean that I would die for it, fight for it, kill for it, you know - that would make me a slave to it. At least that's how I see it. And I am a man. Hope that answers your first question.

What would your life become if you did not desire it?

Hmm, difficult to say, who knows? I wouldn't just say "easier", like Karl and Yan Yan did, because I don't see this desire as something that makes my life any more harder*/more difficult. But it sure makes it more interesting in a special way, haha.

*well, actually it does make it harder. lol! no pun intended

Being a man means not being a slave to anything or anyone.

To behave in a manner that allows for meeting one's needs, this is vastly more beneficial - and manly - than going after one's wants.

Karl observed --

Easier. Or gay - no, i'm not being insulting, just stating a fact that if you don't sexually desire muff, you may crave dick instead.

Karl, you really must become more philosophical....

You know, think more deeply.

Your homophobic insult was just a joke, right? (Your writing suggests you can still take a higher road...)

You played right into the standard feminist ploy of rhetorically castrating a man for his opinion.

Examine your values and ethics now, please.

I was attempting to point out that men are often slaves to DESIRE!

I could provide the entire treatise on why male desire is such a silly premise upon which one might base his life.

But that would lead into religious crap.

At any rate, Karl.

Read some Greek philosphers and post again, OK?

To clarify --

Google "Buddhism."

PUSSY = DESIRE = SUFFERING= ???

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Karl, you really must become more philosophical....

Must I?

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You know, think more deeply.

So, that's what that big word means, and here was I thinking it meant something completely different, of a Monty Python level.

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Your homophobic insult was just a joke, right? (Your writing suggests you can still take a higher road...)

It wasn't homophobic, it wasn't an insult and it wasn't a joke. Stating that a man does not desire pussy, doesn't necessarily imply he automatically prefers a penis, but as our sexes are divided into only two groups and as the vast majority of people do have sexual urges in one or the other (and occasionally both) it's fair to assume that finding one to be undesirable equates a preference for the other. In short, if a man doesn't want pussy - he may just want dick. That's not insulting, homophobic nor mockery. Just plan observation.
Now, if I were to direct such a comment at you personally, knowing that realistically you'd likely give preference to pussy, then yes, I would agree it is mockery & it could easily become offensive too, perception on homosexuality dependant. As that is not the case, it somewhat voids the premise that I am intending to upset, insult or mock you - or anyone for that matter, including homosexuals.

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You played right into the standard feminist ploy of rhetorically castrating a man for his opinion.

No, really, I didn't.

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Examine your values and ethics now, please.

And you yours?

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I was attempting to point out that men are often slaves to DESIRE!

Right, fair point. Credit due, a valid observation to which I can relate, as can many of us, I would suspect.

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I could provide the entire treatise on why male desire is such a silly premise upon which one might base his life.

Well, I'll refrain from daring you to do so.

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But that would lead into religious crap.

Pheew, glad I refrained from daring you to do so.

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At any rate, Karl.

Read some Greek philosphers and post again, OK?

Erm, I'll pass, thanks for recommendation though. Although, that wouldn't stop you from posting some under the miscellaneous section if you'd like to share your wealth of knowledge?

I agree Men are slaves to desire, thats exactly what the problem is in most cases. You feed your desire, and succumb to it which often lands many men in dangerous situations.

Maybe you should slave a more worthy cause. That post in itself was an admission that men's desires are uncontrollable and therefore dangerous. Did your headline say "Super MRA"???

You may notice the original post was a question, not a statement. Your claim

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Men are slaves to desire

is only your personal opinion, there is no actual valid research that in form 'proves men are slaves to desire'
Hence, your statement

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That post in itself was an admission that men's desires are uncontrollable and therefore dangerous

is somewhat nulled, as your assertion is based on your misinterpretation of the intial post and your own 'feelings' on it.
It was a worthy effort though, 10pts for trying.

This is getting a bit messy and some double standards are creeping in.
So I'll start with a disclaimer that the following comments are merely speculative and I will not defend them to the death.

In the Phils most people would see sex as a basic need rather than as a 'desire'. It applies to both genders, seeking pussy and having babies are both regarded as needs. Which is probably why we don't have any trouble with falling birthrates.

We could quibble about the distiction between need and desire or just say that desire is the driving force that helps us fulfil our needs..... or we could leave that for another day.

My previous off the cuff answers were based on the notion that the more we minimise our needs, the simpler life gets. But if we didn't have needs/desires we wouldn't do much with our lives.

I agree Men are slaves to desire, thats exactly what the problem is in most cases. You feed your desire, and succumb to it which often lands many men in dangerous situations.

Is a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black. Unless of course by 'dangerous situations' you mean western marriages, then I'd be inclined to agree.

As for the second part, 'what would we become if we didn't desire it?' the answer is EXTINCT.

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As for the second part, 'what would we become if we didn't desire it?' the answer is EXTINCT.

And that, good viewers, sums it up in a nutshell. Well said, Yan Yan.

I once was a slave to my desires but grew out of it.
I have been married for 18 years today. Over 19 years with this same woman.

I really don't have much of those desires anymore and this creates questions with my wife. She is finally learned to accept it.

The irony in this is when I had strong desires my wife didn't care much about sex. She claimed she did it with me for my sake and now she appears to have to do without more than she would like.
Maybe there was a lack of honesty on her part in the beginning.

Not an unusual story Billy. When God made the universe He decreed as rule number one - Nobody should have it too good.

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Can you become a man if you are a slave to pussy ... in all of its forms?

A Man's a Man for A' That

By Robert Burns, 1795

Updated* by Fidelbogen, 2006

Is there for honest poverty
That hings his head, an a' that?
The coward slave, we pass him by -
We dare be poor for a' that!
For a' that, an a' that!
Our toils obscure, an a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.

What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hodding grey, an a' that?
Gie fools their skills, and knaves their wine -
A man's a man for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
Their tinsel show, an a' that,
The honest man, tho e'er sae poor,
Is king o men for a' that.

Ye see yon birkie ca'd 'a lord,'
Wha struts, an stares, an a' that?
Tho hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a cuif for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
His ribband, star, an a' that,
The man o independent mind,
He looks an laughs at a' that.

* An behold ye now yon chaser o skirts,
A harum-scarum fellae, for a' that?
Wi' knavish life but fouterie all daftlike,
He's slave ta' teerant pussie an a' that.
For a' that an a' that
Athoot a tick o gumption, for a' that,
His life's nae worth a pawn tae weemen-fowk,
An the praise o gaupie men for a' that.

A prince can mak a belted knight,
A marquis, duke, an a' that!
But an honest man's aboon his might -
Guid faith, he mauna fa' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Their dignities, an a' that,
The pith o sense an pride o worth,
Are higher rank than a' that.

Then let us pray that come it may
(As come it will for a' that),
That Sense and Worth o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree an a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
It's coming yet for a' that,
That man to man, the world, o'er
Shall brithers be for a' that.