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    This is a discussion on debunking site within the Chit chat (MAIN) forums, part of the Men's Talk & Variety category; http://www.debunker.com/patriarchy.html Various feminists proclaim that women are 'under siege', that a monstrous social bias against them, if not a virtual ...


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    Various feminists proclaim that women are 'under siege', that a monstrous social bias against them, if not a virtual war, is going on, that women have little respect or power (Steinem, Faludi, Tavris, etc.) Yet the notion of the American woman as a powerless "victim" is one of the most absurd notions ever foisted upon anyone. American women live, on average, seven years longer than men. They control 86 % of all personal wealth [PARADE Magazine, May 27, 1990], and make up 55% of current college graduates. Women cast 54% of the votes in Presidential elections, so they can hardly claim to be left out of the political decision-making process! They win almost automatically in child custody disputes. Women suffer only 6% of the work-related fatalities (the other 94% are suffered by men). Women are the victim of only about 35% of violent crimes, and only about 25% of all murders, yet because of our society's exaggerated concern and respect for them, special legislation has been passed to punish "violence against women" as if it were a more heinous crime than "violence against men". (Feminists claim to want "equality", and this is an example of what "equality" means to them, i.e., preferential treatment to address their concerns). Two out of every three dollars spent on health care is spent on women, and even if you don't count pregnancy-related care, women still receive more medical care than men - yet feminists still holler that womens health is being "neglected", and far too many of us credulously believe them. Of the 25 worst jobs, as ranked by the Jobs Related Almanac based on a combination of salary, stress, security, and physical demands, 24 of them are predominantly, if not almost entirely, male, which might explain why men commit over 80% of all suicides. (Most of these statistics come from The Myth of Male Power by Warren Farrell.)
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    Craving ever-greater Victim Status, Andrea Dworkin and other feminists invented a pseudo-history of a 'Womens Holocaust' in the Middle Ages. Turning upside-down the tactics of the 'Holocaust Revisionists', who claim that a real genocide never occurred, the feminists claim to be the victims of a genocide that wasn't. This myth, complete with a fabricated pro-feminist Pre-Christian Age, is taught as if it were true in so-called "Womens Studies" classes.



     
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    I've an idea that page has been mentioned here previously, but either way, it's still a great find!



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    The first time I ever read of "witches" being executed in large numbers was from a children's book Ripley's Believe It Or Not: Magic and Magicians published in 1984. This book told of the misogynistic book The Witches Hammer published during the middle ages, whichinfluenced a great deal of the witch hunts and executions. According to your own source women were in fact the majority of those executed for heresy and witchcraft, just not in the numbers some will claim:
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    for the most reasonable modern estimates suggest perhaps 100,000 trials between 1450 and 1750, with something between 40,000 and 50,000 executions, of which 20-25% were men.
    Is it the truth? We don't know; scholars don't all agree on the facts here.


     
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    According to your own source women were in fact the majority of those executed for heresy and witchcraft, just not in the numbers some will claim:
    Not the majority for heresy. Only witchcraft. The fact that men were also burned as witches shows that it wasn't a gendercide.

    The numbers of 100.000 - 200.000 are still shockingly large. I'm not sure if that includes heresy.

    By the way, most of these executions happened in the North of Europe and were performed by secular powers. The official Inquisition (there were several) did not actually execute many people (a few hundred). Of course, if the church had allowed heresy, even more people would have been killed in the subsequent religious conflicts (which did eventually happen in the 30 year Catholic-Protestant war, which layed a third of Europe in ashes).

    I read that in Scandinavia it were mainly the men who were burned as witches. Why doesn't that surprise me?


     
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    Re: debunking site

    Another interesting snippet from the site. It begs the question regarding womens studies, not what is lies, more so, what is actually the truth?



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    Both women and men were accused of 'witchcraft,' and men make up the majority of those accused of 'heresy.' Both groups were brutally tortured by the Inquisition. Furthermore, most of the accusers of supposed witches were women. Feminist claims that witch-groups actually existed, and were "healers", are not supported by scholarship, nor is the claim that accused witches were actually the remnants of a gentle, female-centered pagan religion.



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    The Salem witch-hunt also revolved around a female accuser.


     
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    The Salem witch-hunt also revolved around a female accuser.
    Who also happened to be a child! And we all know children never lie, don't we?!

    BTW, weren't there more accusing girls?

    Can't remember the details...



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    Who also happened to be a child! And we all know children never lie, don't we?!

    BTW, weren't there more accusing girls?

    Can't remember the details...
    I remember reading a book about it. IIRC, there were about ten or so girls. One of them actually came out and confessed, only to be harassed by the other girls to shut up and say she was lying.


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