Thread: Dealing with an idiot.

So... men it's men's fault that women demand men give them money (and society tells men that it's their role to still pay for everything, up to and including children they didn't want), and that men have to work to earn the money to give them? Yeah, sounds about right for feminist logic.

If you have the studies on hand, I'd say go ahead and toss them at the challengers who are asking to be disproved, though I kinda doubt they'd actually listen. I also recently saw an AGirlWritesWhat video where she mentioned that any research or report given to any minister, like the minister of justice, has to be vetted by a woman's organization (Office For The Minister For The Status Of Women). It was the video "Sorry Dude, You Asked For It". Now, if feminists get to choose what studies are used, it does rather put any study into question. It'd be like saying any history book teaching on the Holocaust has to be approved by Louis Farrakhan or Mahmud Ahmadinejad.

Ya,well,I did reply and he has not countered as of yet.

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outdoors wrote;
What- I invite you to watch this vid about d.v. where the truth is explained very simply just for liberal's like your self.
"Sorry, dude, but you asked for it... "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

outdoors You should be sorry,ignorance of how the wage gap myth has been debunked so many times it is almost hysterical.
Apparently google is not your best friend.

What?__ Um, no, outdoors, it hasn't. The fact that you found some ranty fringe websites doesn't do anything to negate half a century of demographic research by about as broad a range of respectable research institutions as you could ask for.
You're living in an alternate reality.

outdoors
There is no wage gap,tell me one job where someone can hire a women for less?
As far as d.v. goes this is almost a 50/50 rate toward's both gender's with women initializing 70% of the argument's.
Your comment is far more ridiculous and full of ignorance on this subject than mine.
Obviously you are another victim of the liberal government funded feminist regime.

What?1) You never use apostrophes to pluralise.
2) One person in their kitchen making a youtube video does not constitute "evidence," especially when it's basically just a long rant against some other guy over who is accepting what video responses on youtube. When, after six minutes, she hadn't made any points but was still reading out the rude messages she had sent back and forth with this other random guy, I stopped watching and looked at her posted links instead.
3) I looked at all the sources cited with this video, and all most of them demonstrate is that female on male aggression does indeed happen, which no one has ever denied. There are about two of them that present serious arguments for gender equality in a few very specific categories of domestic violence, but even they understand that they represent an extreme minority of professional opinion and research results.
There is nothing inherently "liberal" about observing that the majority of victims of domestic violence are women. That's simply factual, and your inability to deal with facts has nothing to do with your political alignment.

The ostensive definition of an idiot lies right before us. There is little point trying to convince them but it is emcumbent on us to try.

Do not expect a sound result, other than the gaining of much evidence of their idiocy.

The blind will not see and the deaf will not hear. But the great majority of people who listen in or see the arguments will slowly come around to raising their voices too.

SAY not the struggle naught availeth,
The labour and the wounds are vain,
The enemy faints not, nor faileth,
And as things have been they remain.

If hopes were dupes, fears may be liars;
It may be, in yon smoke conceal'd,
Your comrades chase e'en now the fliers,
And, but for you, possess the field.

For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
Seem here no painful inch to gain,
Far back, through creeks and inlets making,
Comes silent, flooding in, the Main.

And not by eastern windows only,
When daylight comes,comes in the light;
In front the sun climbs slow, how slowly!
But westward, look, the land is bright!


Keep up your good work, Outdoors. Let the idiots jeer.

Women earn less than men because they prefer spending mens money than earning their own.. And they couldn't get away with doing that if they earned the same.. Not a good trade off for them!

The DV statistics show that men can hit harder than women.. So that should be a good enough reason for women to stop hitting men.. They might get a bit of self defence coming back to them!

Why have you not thrown the Fiebert bibliography back at the idiot? It's the most overwhelming weapon in the argument that women are just as violent as men, in fact in many, many credible studies they emerge as marginally more so.

REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY

Every MRA should be familiar with this; in fact everybody should be. It is updated regularly because the research keeps on coming up with the same results.

What?
Let me try to guess what your reasoning could be for such a ridiculous comment. "If women weren't inferior they wouldn't be the targets of domestic violence and also wouldn't be paid less, so therefore those things are their fault and not the fault of men."

When women CHOOSE to take career breaks, to raise children, the 'wage gap' IS their fault, most certainly; it's called 'responsibility for one's decisions', as alien a concept as feminism has tried to make this to women.

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What?
Let me try to guess what your reasoning could be for such a ridiculous comment. "If women weren't inferior they wouldn't be the targets of domestic violence and also wouldn't be paid less, so therefore those things are their fault and not the fault of men." Is that about right?

My reply:

What an ignorant and misinformed view you present... misrepresent on someone else's behalf. You assume far too much, wrongly so, I might add. Research for the last decade has shown that women initiate the majority of intimate partner violence (where most DV occurs)... However, sexist implementation of supposedly gender-neutral laws see men arrested even when they're victims, thus skewing the stats against them further. Prior to this decade, researchers tended to ignore male victims completely, thus the research showed biased results which were used as propaganda tools to demonize men as abusers and women as victims.

Women are obviously not inferior, why would you put those words in another person's mouth, just because you disagree with them? That kind of trickery shows the type of person YOU are, not the type of person your victim is. I don't doubt you rely on similar tactics when arguing with your partner, too, just so you can gain the corrupted moral high-ground over them.

As for your stats regarding wages of men & women, I can't help but note how you omit the fact that you're not talking the same jobs... "Manager" can mean a small shop in a little village or a corporation retailer in a large city. This, along with the difference in hours (women tend to work 4-14 hours less per week than men) demonstrates why women EARN less... They aren't 'paid' less, they literally earn less through their own choices. Blaming men isn't going to fix problems created by women's choices.

Thanks Marx.

But Marx, blaming men is the solution to everything. It's the only thing feminists know.

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But Marx, blaming men is the solution to everything. It's the only thing feminists know.

Judging by their actions, you'd certainly think so, wouldn't you...

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Judging by their actions, you'd certainly think so, wouldn't you...

Actually, I think "Blame men for all evil and conflict" is the first feminist commandment.

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Actually, I think "Blame men for all evil and conflict" is the first feminist commandment.

As an exercise in convincing a friend about the problems with feminism, I asked him to take any five major surveys and I would there an then write up feminist conclusions for them showing how men were at fault.

He wasn't easy on me, picking outlandish things - including a geological survey - and with no clear link to sexism or any obvious way to pin any blame on anyone, let alone men. Well, I wrote up the conclusions, basing them on the presumption that "men were at fault". We couldn't find any feminist interpretation of two of the surveys but the three others - including the geological survey - had interpretations that he was astonished to see were close to what I wrote. (BTW, I don't suggest this process as it took me all day and evening, though my friend converted that day and now speaks openly against feminism and it's influence in everyone's lives.)

That day was when I finally convinced myself, utterly, that feminism starts with "it is the fault of men" and works any interpretation into that belief. That was also the day when I saw that feminism really can't perceive the world sensibly and I realised that to hold feminist beliefs should be classified as a mental sickness.