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A date with discord

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His advice is simple: if a guy doesn't immediately display exemplary commitment credentials and blatant interest in you, then he should be discarded.
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Knight aside, when it comes to debating what they want out of relationships, men's voices are largely absent from the public discourse. If we do hear them, they are often either reactionary or banal.

At the extreme end we see militant fathers' groups such as the discredited Black Shirts, with their bitter vendetta against the Family Court.
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Michael Flood agrees that men seem to be silent on the issue of gender and dating relations, as they are reluctant to publicly air their grievances. But in private the situation is very different.

"Men are complaining about women, about mixed messages, about women they think are teasers, or about nagging wives and girlfriends who want too much or are impossible to understand."
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It's a point that's been made repeatedly but it is more relevant today than ever: in the years after feminism and sexual liberation, men's roles changed as much as women's, but these new roles were largely imposed upon men, rather than resulting from a concerted effort on their part to redefine what they wanted.

Men may not be actively participating in the ongoing critique of gender relations but they are aware of the debate and the complaints of women aired in the media. And what they are hearing is overwhelmingly negative.
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It's a point that's been made repeatedly but it is more relevant today than ever: in the years after feminism and sexual liberation, men's roles changed as much as women's, but these new roles were largely imposed upon men, rather than resulting from a concerted effort on their part to redefine what they wanted.
Does that imply that men were happy with their former roles? Or that they didn't know any better? Or that they had been successfully deceived?

Most noticeable is that the 'thought balloons' of both the man and the woman are filled with consumer goods - and I include the baby.



The traditional male weapons in the sex war are non-cooperation and flight.The traditional female weapon is celebration of paternity and male responsibility. If women now choose to define this as patriarchal oppression, they are throwing away their best trick. Feminism, in dismantling patriarchy, is simply reviving the underlying greater natural freedom of men. - Geoff Dench 1998 (edited)
 
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It's a point that's been made repeatedly but it is more relevant today than ever: in the years after feminism and sexual liberation, men's roles changed as much as women's, but these new roles were largely imposed upon men, rather than resulting from a concerted effort on their part to redefine what they wanted.
I'm very surprised to see Flood say that. I've often said the same: feminists have made demands on 'what makes a man', yet women are ok to define themselves as they please (aside from SAH mothers, who get blacklisted by feminists).


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