Quote from christianj

Personally, I believe that an MRA should be judged by his actions and not his words..

Want to make a change ?

Get off your arse and stop whining on here and do something, anything..

If you do not have those credentials, then your words are Proliferous.

Hear hear CJ!!

We make judgements on whatever is apparant.

Yes, actions speak louder, but words are needed for explanation, arguement, changing minds, confronting attitudes, confronting lies, and a host of other 'communicables'.

The MRM would not be as vibrant as it is without words.

Loud is just one quality.

And what of Cj's deep, rich, gravelly voice?

Quote from christianj

Personally, I believe that an MRA should be judged by his actions and not his words..

Want to make a change ?

Get off your arse and stop whining on here and do something, anything..

If you do not have those credentials, then your words are Proliferous.

yep!

Quote from CaptDMO

Sometimes I perceive of (Beck) as a mere seasoned Sargent, going up a hill yelling "Follow me..." to patriotic, but dazed, soldiers in need of a little inspiration. 9/12 comes immediately to mind.

OK, now I know Mr. Beck reads this forum.
This very night he concluded his intro with "Follow me....." Waving his arm in the traditional Hollywood Sargent leading a charge" motion.

He went on to eviscerate the State Attorney General of Connecticut for populist grandstanding outside the parameters of his office, and, basically, abusing his position of authority, and failure to justify his actions with the very law, and Constitution, which he
has sworn to uphold and protect.

The opportunistic jumpers-on are beginning to be driven from their foxholes and sent scampering like rabbits, until they can be properlytutored by Socialist spin doctors,
or defended by ad hominem obstructionists, more familiar with catering to the easily distracted left half of the bell curve.

Quote from christianj

What goes round comes round. Comparing MRA's to feminists is just another way to restrict and limit discussion. Most MRA's have been screwed and let us not forget that and they have every right to name and comment the sex that did it to them. It is true that women can say anything they like, denigrate, humilate and denounce all men on a daily basis. Whoa and behold if we return that favour.

I support ChristianJ's stance on the issue. Condemning women's sloth, cowardice and innate urge to parasitise men is a necessity. Women won't refrain from acting as the parasitic sex until men stop allowing themselves to be used as hosts.

It's time for men to stand up and condemn every horrible trait that is primarily associated with most women. If the women on here don't like it then perhaps they should rally other women to stop being such lazy, gutless, self-serving cunts.

Quote from Garak

I am addressing you, not Glenn.

Now what is more important to you, the truth or how we look?

The fact is that women have, for 40 years, looked the other way when they benefitted from inequalities. They have f;at out lied about the intentions of the feminist movement and they have spewed hatred at men via use of the courts and the legislature. In all the years men had control we NEVER spewed hatred like this towards women. If this doesn't speak of the base nature of women then what does?

Well said Garak.

Never forget women's betrayal. Hold them accountable for their sloth, cowardice, parasitism and generalised indifference towards men. Then and only then will they start to change.

Quote from dyslexic_banana

I'm sure it's possible to be misogynistic, yet still beneficial to the movement; an active misogynist is still active.

dyslexic_banana,

You're right.

A misogynistic MRA is a billtion times more valuable to the movement than a weak, disingenious man who says whatever women want to hear.

I am more concerned about the fact that women get a pussy pass in the mens movement just as big if not bigger than they get elsewhere..

I am also concerned that when it comes to complaining about posters etc to moderators, I suspect that women do it disproportionately many times more than males do..

If the MRM cant sort its own house out when it comes to the influence that women have.. Which can be very good, but is also sometimes a pernicious and slow acting poison if not nipped in the bud..

How can we be in good shape to lead by example to the wider audience?

One of the first things I do when I check out "representives" of mens issues is I try to ascertain the gender..

It is very common, VERY common, (in fact, often more common that not!) to see that the representatives are MOSTLY female..

Now, it is pretty elementary to guess what sort of policies females want for the MRM..

And do they meet the needs of most men?

Hmm!

I somehow doubt it very much!!

Why do I say that?

experience..

Women persuade men to take the statist line in many cases..

The emphasis shifts..

It becomes a matter of asking the state for access to justice..

Begging, in effect, for a share of the state resources..

Of course, women dont want to lose their own share do they?

And since many MRA's are more interested in cutting the womens excess out, rather than asking for men to have as much from the trough..

Thats why women come in and try to change the emphasis..

BEWARE!!

Quote from Chris Key

A misogynistic MRA is a billtion more valuable to the movement than a weak, disingenious man who says whatever women want to hear.

exactly!

but don't say that to loud-u might "upset" newcomers

Quote from outdoors

exactly!

but don't say that to loud-u might "upset" newcomers

Whew! Whatta thread!

The real litmus test is the fact that women are getting away with pulling stuff on men that they themselves protested being pulled on them for over 40 years thus far. Garak hit the nail smack on the head. They do not say a peep when they are the beneficiaries of one-sided favoritism. Indeed, they do not try to stop the favoritism ... merely scoff at any protests about it, or pay it some nicey-nice lip service in acknowledgement. Garak is also right about the fact that women have lied about the intent of their movement. It used to be about equality, but superiority is being openly proclaimed any time they can get away with asserting it. If I had to summarize my own position on the matter, I'd have to say women collectively seem to be saying to men "Suckerrrr!"

I am more concerned about the fact that women get a pussy pass in the mens movement just as big if not bigger than they get elsewhere..

Trust me, pal. We don't. We get it just as hard as a man on a feminist site. So until you've walked a mile in my moccasins, don't presume.

When you do nothing but condemn all women for what some, or even most, women do, you alienate nearly all of us. The ones here are unusual - in real life, people think we're weird. And it doesn't bother us. If you want to change this thing, you're going to have to stop complaining and start communicating.

Even if you are speaking to a woman you KNOW is "like that", address her as if she weren't. Point out the egregiousness of what that woman OVER THERE did. Point out how it hurts us all. Then the woman you're talking to isn't on the defensive.

Sorry, but sometimes I wish I could smack some of you in the forehead and say, "DUH!!!"

Quote from outdoors

exactly!

but don't say that to loud-u might "upset" newcomers

Actually, it doesn't. If you have women supporting your cause, especially smart women like Kelly, julie or Kim, can convince other women to support your cause too in an eventual referendum/party/person supporting the same views as the MRM. At least I was able to show like 5 women that the way things are is wrong, even though it took a lot of fighting with their silly thoughts.

Quote from KellyMac

Trust me, pal. We don't. We get it just as hard as a man on a feminist site. So until you've walked a mile in my moccasins, don't presume.

When you do nothing but condemn all women for what some, or even most, women do, you alienate nearly all of us. The ones here are unusual - in real life, people think we're weird. And it doesn't bother us. If you want to change this thing, you're going to have to stop complaining and start communicating.

Even if you are speaking to a woman you KNOW is "like that", address her as if she weren't. Point out the egregiousness of what that woman OVER THERE did. Point out how it hurts us all. Then the woman you're talking to isn't on the defensive.

Sorry, but sometimes I wish I could smack some of you in the forehead and say, "DUH!!!"

I have seen what I have seen. I will say it again. Many Women get the pussy pass in the mens movement. I have seen it with my own eyes..

Dont go telling men what they have to do and say. That way you wont get them on the defensive..