Thread: The code.. What has happened?

I contributed fairly strongly to it but did not wish to 'hog' it. I was rather hoping that others would initiate major components for discussion, as I did. Timo was strong and vocal too. He initiated aspects and provided useful critiques.

Where are the other thinking men?

I was glad to see Kim dip an oar in the water too, for a woman's code.

In our Code discussions to date, there are still aspects in what has been said and pointed to that need to be 'mined' and more components needed on the practical side. The Appication.

Well percy, I am good thinking man but being of a lazy disposition I usually prefer to agree to others who think in a similar way..

especially on matters such as this..


what i would like to see is a "summing up" of the current state of the code..

maybe that is not possible?

what has been "decided"?

What needs "more discussion"..

Etc..

I think its mostly Timocrats baby, is it not?

I mean, he seemed to be the man who initiated the discussions?

Would be good to see what progress he has made..

I contributed fairly strongly to it but did not wish to 'hog' it.-Percy

Ditto to that Percy. I don't want this to be the Timo show and so haven't taken it by the horns as such. Will jump right in as soon as we move on the next step.

How about we consider the ideas in the actual code, say for starters placing the MRA cause before or above any politcal party. Or MRA > than any political party. That should be a easy yes, I hope. By getting the easy issues agreed on we can then move to the most difficult last.

Good idea, Timo.

The contributions I have made have a very personal, individual focus.

The individual man is the most important, IMHO, whether he is going to join in actively as an MRA or cooperatively in a wider sense in a political effort or simply go his own way.

The development of the man and his faculties, his attributes and talents, his qualities and consciousness, is the basis of any code, again IMHO.

He can develop these in diverse directions but unless he at least asks, 'Who does the Grail serve' and provide a constructive approximation to an answer outside of his limited vision, he will be more danger than useful.

I have severe doubts wimyn will follow any code that does not directly give them an advantage or a benefit either there and then or in the forseeable future -

wimyn are rather earthy to practical folk and don't waste too much time beating about with altruistic high falutin endeavours

of course there are always exceptions I am commenting on a ball park situation

eg wimyn's marriage contract more n more honoured in the breach

Zsa Zsa " i am into house keeping - when I divorce I keep the house"

Well Shaazam Kim is handling the women's code, as you can see with the links below. Kim can advise us on ours, as she is well respected here, but this is a man thing and as for myself I will only take ideas from women on a case by case basis. This must be built by men for men. What are your thoughts on a code Shaazam?

http://equalbutdifferent.blogspot.co...for-women.html

http://equalbutdifferent.blogspot.co...n-part-ii.html

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Well Shaazam Kim is handling the women's code, as you can see with the links below. Kim can advise us on ours, as she is well respected here, but this is a man thing and as for myself I will only take ideas from women on a case by case basis. This must be built by men for men. What are your thoughts on a code Shaazam?

http://equalbutdifferent.blogspot.co...for-women.html

http://equalbutdifferent.blogspot.co...n-part-ii.html

Dear Tim

I kinda put up above you


men live in the same geographical position as wimyn but their conduct are ordered by different much less advantageous rules and men are governed by a different less favourable interpretation of laws

the fact that this MRA forum exits and others like it ( inspired by cognitve dissonance ) attests to the discomfort men feel about feminit cant - the two tier rules and benefits for men and wimyn

as for Kim she is as free to express her opinion as any one here I see her as a product of her times and members of this forum can forward her any amount of respect they choose

Timo wrote;

This must be built by men for men.

whaaaat......? no teen age-girls that know everything ????

u must cater to the "special needs" of some or they may be "upset" as u will hurt their "feelings"....maybe even insinuate that u are a "feminist' to get their way and get the support of others.

Honestly I believe the next steo should be to write out a code and then debate it's merits. At which point it can be fine tuned.

I think that a rule to look after the legitamate rights of people should be encodified as the first rule in the code.

Btw thanks Hahoo for bringing this topic back up.

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Honestly I believe the next steo should be to write out a code and then debate it's merits. At which point it can be fine tuned.

I think that a rule to look after the legitamate rights of people should be encodified as the first rule in the code.

Btw thanks Hahoo for bringing this topic back up.

I brought it back up because I think a topic/project that has been seriously discussed and effort gone in needs to be kept in mind..

Yes, I think it would be good to have an "initial draft" of what we have so far.

I like the idea, timo brought it to the forum (which is why I see timo as being the natural leader/lynchpin in this matter) and he states the importance of the MRA cause as being higher than political or other interests..

This is interesting indeed because I kinda feel the same way, the only reservation is, "what is the mra cause"?

Thats a harder question to answer than it seems I think you would agree?

Now, Percy keeps saying "who does the grail serve?", and I guess this is the same thing?

It is my personal belief that the MRM is handicapped by its gender specific title.

My take on developing a code for men and a code for women is that this is an "interesting" way of looking at things, and I guess it will produce something from which we may be able to see how roles could be set for the "family" view of things, which I think is the core unifying element that matters the most..

We don't have to be "tough guys", but we do need a Code ... both the good guys and the bad guys have them (the ones that are successful).
I saw a repeat show on television last night. It was about the written Code for the Mafia. It was also about how that Code was increasingly abandoned and ignored in recent decades. The Biker Gangs rigorously follow their codes and are now international in scope.

Are you guys talking about a code specific to the MRA movement- a political code or code of ethics, or a moral code that ought to apply to all whether you happen to be an MRA or not?

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Some time ago there was debate going on on a "code" for men to operate under..

What has come of this?

paul's code
1. you dont tell ; hey, I wasnt tryin to give your bitch ass half of the money before we got caught, Im not gonna try to give you half of my time after we get caught
2.dont shit where you eat----- keep your street shit in the street, your mom, dad, kids, granny, they dont need to know all your sordid affiars
3. dont write checks with your mouth that your ass cant cash----self explanatory
4.allah dont like ugly------dont be a bully

Yes it needs doing, but I'm not going to lead on this as I have my views on this matter in a book, site and often enough here. Another must take the reins and I will support them, for I feel I will be better in backing up others as that what is often so important in honor and any code. What is needed is more supporters on this. I will follow as this topic as it is worth it

I'm over halfway done on a major review of most MRA books, amoung other things, so I'm not exactly wasting time waiting for a leaders on this. Chev gets my vote to lead. How about it Chev?