Check out what Capitan MRA sent me (my response is uptop):

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*IE: take said action against them.



Note from Admin Tier #1:

Sir, You're talking a whole lot of bollocks, and so in accordance with that, this post is formerly:

I have always believed that you should not air your dirty laundry out in public so I think this is a low, low blow to post a conversation that was e-mail and not public. Especially when both are supposed to be on the same team.

But I have to say that MRA answered this well. Phew. It could have been a real problem if he said something in private that you could have got him on.

The reality about the extreme in MRA is that as long as they are able to gain power, the movement for and from moderate males (who are the only ones going to make headway) will be held back. This is what I have noticed.

The feminists have been controlling what men do because they don't trust the radicals. And no-one, not man, woman or child is going to benefit from this. Men have to be left to care for males and male children alone. And this fear of males not being allowed to take care of business as MALES is as real as ever. And the most women want for the men to be left alone and get on with it as they see fit.

But how can they when the alpha males are such horrid creatures? The pack is NOT dominated by the alpha males thank God. But these alpha ones are no better than the radical feminists destroying what the moderate feminists want to do. And it is also time for them to be put in place, I reckon.

But ....

No-one can have things their way only. Compromise is always going to be a part of life. If men who want young girls are so kind to young girls then the young girls will come of their own accord. It is the same for all men and all women. If men are wonderful then they don't need to take over and rule with an iron fist. The women will come all by themselves.

Women also do not have to use their sexuality to gain men's approval. And plus it will only last for a short time. Men and women will wake up 2 or so years down the track and realize they have been taken in for a fool and they will want to leave. Should they be allowed to? Yes, of course they should.

How does the saying go. Let it free, if it comes back it's yours, if it doesn't it never was.

We do this for animals. Why don't we do it for humans?

ultrasekret82 - If you're only interested in promoting a certain opinion without consideration of consequences or anything else, then I invite you to carve out your corner of the web and do so to your heart's content. If, on the other hand, you'd like to reap the intellectual benefits of debate, reason, and consideration, then I believe that you need to start by realizing that stubbornness is not a virtue.

If you have an accusation to make, then make it.

I agree with Julie that what is in a private, back channel email is not for publication. It is manipulative and sneaky and destroys trust. It is not a gentlemanly thing to do.

I also agree that some nutcases can give the MRM a very bad name.

What I don't agree with is the comment about 'Alpha Males'. The ranting nutcases are not alpha males (and the term must not be made a derogatory one). An alpha male is a leader, protector, provider, strong and usually respected. The nutcases are nutcases, usually adolescent boys, wannabes, who shout gutteral crap. Farm boys and knaves. Their loud voices should not be mistaken for orders. It is chest-beating ranting.

I haven't a clue what this is about, but it doesn't sound right. It has a bad 'feel' to it.

Julie?

OK Percy. I have only just realised that males are pack creatures.

Hmmm, women are herd creatures and men are pack creatures. Gosh, this just gets more interesting all the time.

The alpha male bit to me is like the strongest males. And the loudest and most disruptive are the nutters. And that makes them strong.

But you say that the Alpha male is the leader, protector, provider, strong and usually respected. But then these types of guys usually have nothing to prove so they are the wiser ones and the least disruptive.

If the Alpha males are the wise who have nothing to prove so they don't brag and don't get their hairs sticking up on their backs then how can they lead the pack? How can they keep the disruptive and nutters in line?

This is about men's groups. OK, OK, I now get the Alpha Male.

But this is what is happening in real life. The feminist have been controlling what the men's groups do. And all in the name of fear that they are brainwashed with. They hold the men back from doing what is right for men and instead conform the male groups to do feminists work of shame and blame.

The one thing that NZ is doing is that the MRM is growing and so is the men's voice. Yes, they do have women involved but that is mainly for the paperwork and networking information that the men decide on.

If the feminists continue to make the men's groups do things their way we are never going to get our single parent's (women) sons with genuine role models and we will never give men a fair break in society. (This is my push for it is all I have got to prove)

Men have stepped forward and many will soon enough. But the feminists won't give them funding to do what males need to do. Males don't need counseling and groups. They need the outdoors being camping, hunting and such.

All I want is for them to be able to care for males their own way without the feminists. And so do the majority of the community groups. And so do the men's groups themselves.

"Private back-channel"
Email (and similar) is not private: it is not encrypted. Anyone between me and the server can read the email. Anyone between Capitain MRA and the server can read the email. Any of the server admins can read the email. It is very easy to hijack a connection and watch.

If someone wants to message me privately they must use the encrypted means I've provided (on the server I control). That is the _only_ private means of communication with me that I can trust. Everything else is a post card and must be treated as such so no false sence of security arises.

"dirty laundry"
Is there something that Capitan MRA said that you disagree with? If so I am suprised.

"Private back-channel"[br]
Email (and similar) is not private: it is not encrypted. Anyone between me and the server can read the email. Anyone between Capitain MRA and the server can read the email. Any of the server admins can read the email. It is very easy to hijack a connection and watch.
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If someone wants to message me privately they must use the encrypted means I've provided (on the server I control). That is the _only_ private means of communication with me that I can trust. Everything else is a post card and must be treated as such so no false sence of security arises.
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Anyone who knows me at all knows that I happily will post any email or IM I recieve. I did it with Robin Steele (and then she pertended she didn't write it) as you all know, I've done it with countless others.
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"dirty laundry"[br]
Is there something that Capitan MRA said that you disagree with? If so I am suprised.

[snip troll post]

So, if you go to the bathroom and you don't lock the door, that means it's not private? Anybody can just walk in, even if they know you're in there? After all: you didn't lock the door, so they don't have to respect your privacy.