may i ask what happen to you to think that...im not saying your wrong..just asking thats all

wimyn sure can fully and unstintingly but only themselves

No, i disagree with this. I think that men would be complete bastards and all of this would be reversed under the right circumstances. All people whether they be male or female are neither intrinsically good or intrinsically evil. They are neither intrinsically loving or intrinsically callous.

We just live in bad times is all. And, it's not just women and it's not just gender issues.

Well, please explain to me how come women hid their husbands and took their place in front of the firing squad during the massive executions in Russia by the communists. I mean, women don't love as hard as men, you'd think a man who loves his wife more than she loves him wouldn't allow her to hide him, considering it's a pretty high risk for her to be executed.

The mother of a really good friend of mine supported her husband and children by herself for a few years because her spouse was unemployed due to being a class enemy. It would have made sense for her to divorce, considering being married to a class enemy lead to having to do with stuff at work too.

I can go on, but it's pretty pointless. And by the way, these women weren't really exceptions to the rules. I know a few of my friends mothers who did this. I know that my grandmother sent packages to my step-grandfather who was in jail for being a class enemy and praying each time that she won't get a "no rights to correspondence" letter back, which would have meant he got executed.

So should I bash the first guy for not loving his wife because he chose to let her take her place in front of the gun? Should I bash my friend's father for being selfish and not divorcing, which would have led to a better life for his wife? Because this is EXACTLY the stuff you do. Now, to emulate your behavior, I should interpolate this unselfish behavior and take pride of it like I did it.

Oh, if you reply to this, please reply on this thread and don't PM me. It makes sense to have the debate here, not on PM. And I chose to not give examples from my personal life because I don't discuss it in public.

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Well, please explain to me how come women hid their husbands and took their place in front of the firing squad during the massive executions in Russia by the communists. I mean, women don't love as hard as men, you'd think a man who loves his wife more than she loves him wouldn't allow her to hide him, considering it's a pretty high risk for her to be executed.

The mother of a really good friend of mine supported her husband and children by herself for a few years because her spouse was unemployed due to being a class enemy. It would have made sense for her to divorce, considering being married to a class enemy lead to having to do with stuff at work too.

I can go on, but it's pretty pointless. And by the way, these women weren't really exceptions to the rules. I know a few of my friends mothers who did this. I know that my grandmother sent packages to my step-grandfather who was in jail for being a class enemy and praying each time that she won't get a "no rights to correspondence" letter back, which would have meant he got executed.

So should I bash the first guy for not loving his wife because he chose to let her take her place in front of the gun? Should I bash my friend's father for being selfish and not divorcing, which would have led to a better life for his wife? Because this is EXACTLY the stuff you do. Now, to emulate your behavior, I should interpolate this unselfish behavior and take pride of it like I did it.

Oh, if you reply to this, please reply on this thread and don't PM me. It makes sense to have the debate here, not on PM. And I chose to not give examples from my personal life because I don't discuss it in public.

""Well, please explain to me how come women hid their husbands and took their place in front of the firing squad during the massive executions in Russia by the communists. I mean, women don't love as hard as men,""

feminit wimyn didn't run the USSR and wimyn knew their place

of course all of this has been turned on the head by the Western feminits who just see men as personal attendants and dogsbodies

slack non performing men are frogmarched off to the Family Court in the West for processing - no fault

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""Well, please explain to me how come women hid their husbands and took their place in front of the firing squad during the massive executions in Russia by the communists. I mean, women don't love as hard as men,""

feminit wimyn didn't run the USSR and wimyn knew their place

of course all of this has been turned on the head by the Western feminits who just see men as personal attendants and dogsbodies

slack non performing men are frogmarched off to the Family Court in the West for processing - no fault

Thank you....

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I can go on, but it's pretty pointless. And by the way, these women weren't really exceptions to the rules. I know a few of my friends mothers who did this. I know that my grandmother sent packages to my step-grandfather who was in jail for being a class enemy and praying each time that she won't get a "no rights to correspondence" letter back, which would have meant he got executed.

RV, I hear you.

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I can go on, but it's pretty pointless. And by the way, these women weren't really exceptions to the rules. I know a few of my friends mothers who did this. I know that my grandmother sent packages to my step-grandfather who was in jail for being a class enemy and praying each time that she won't get a "no rights to correspondence" letter back, which would have meant he got executed.

RV, I hear you.

My Grandma Babcia (maternal)when she was in a siberian camp,stole butter from the guardhouse,risking instant execution to feed the children and her men of the family,RV i hear you also.

shaazam, this is the exact point I was trying to make. Women AREN'T the problem. The ideology of feminism IS the problem.

For example, in Soviet Russia there had to be at least 250 000 people who tortured, deported, maimed, imprisoned political enemies. If you'd go around the US and try to find so many people to do it, you wouldn't. It was ideological justification of the most heinous crimes. Feminism has a similar effect, just that at a smaller extent.

I mean, I didn't say that feminist women wouldn't repudiate their political dissident husbands(10 years of forced labor) or wouldn't denounce them(from 10 years of prison/forced labor to the firing squad) or would put up with class enemy searches(which again, wouldn't look for anything, they'd just come once in a while to trash down your place). Just like a man who would be brainwashed into things, won't show sympathy.

So yes, this is exactly the point I was trying to make. Women can love as much as a man and do sacrifice. Feminists can't.

""shaazam, this is the exact point I was trying to make. Women AREN'T the problem. The ideology of feminism IS the problem.""

dear RV !

notice my nomenclature

I use the word "wimyn"

I know the difference cause I have spent the last twenty years with a loving and wonderful mother of my children who is a woman

she has raised with my assistance two well adjusted children who ae not confused about their sexual identity

my daughter is a young woman completing an apprenticeship my son is a straight boy who loves soccer

both are drug free


I don't hate women only wimyn cause wimyn despise and hate what I stand for viz the nuclear family and the nurturing of moral and honest children who will grow to competent ethical adults

NO!
They will always find more room to love and worship themselves!

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shaazam, this is the exact point I was trying to make. Women AREN'T the problem. The ideology of feminism IS the problem.

I'd agree intellectually with you to a greater degree. But unfortunately the average man isn't aware of the greater forces that besets his meagre position.

Yes, women aren't the problem per se, they are so often the passive vessels of greater forces at work (not to excuse their culpable asses).

I do think they are "capable" of it, but they do not practice it.

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I'd agree intellectually with you to a greater degree. But unfortunately the average man isn'nt aware of the greater forces that besets his meagre position.

Well, the average people are to blame for the fuckfest we live in. And obviously, the so called "intellectuals" who should be supposed to judge information, not propagate ideology. When people care more about the new season of Lost, than things that affect the fundamental aspects of their lives...