Thread: Brutal Libertarian Attack Against Feminism

Not bad!!

I have been trying to argue for some time that there is no room for feminism in libertarianism.

It's insane that feminists ever thought that libertarianism was on their side in the first place after all their whining about "patriarchal capitalism" hurting women. But the thing that leftist "libertarians" tend to to do is focus on (some of) the social elements and completely ignore the economic stances of libertarianism.

Yes, Libertarianism is an essentially right wing ideology. There is no place for any types of Leftist thought in Libertarianism.

Libertarians and Left wingers get along because they have the following things in common:

1. anti-war
2. pro-drugs
3. pro-faggots
4. pro-abortion

However, anti war and pro drugs are not inherently Left wing concepts. As for faggots and abortion, those are admittedly Left wing ideas, but that doesn't mean Liberals can bring the rest of their bullshit along and call it Libertarianism.

Actually though, not all libertarians are pro-abortion. There is no official libertarian stance on it even though a lot of them are pro-abortion.
As for the pro-faggot thing, leftists are far more pro-fag than libertarians. Libertarians are not supportive of hate crime laws, also a true libertarian would not give someone special treatment (like Obama is) to someone just because they're gay. Also, have you ever heard a libertarian cry about "inclusive language"? Not very many, and if so they are probably not true libertarians.

So basically leftists and libertarians have even less in common than what you mentioned.

Why is it that some Americans use this word 'faggot'?

A faggot is a bundle of sticks used for kindling.

Use of such words which are meant deliberately to be villifying, demeaning name-calling is bigoted, adolescent and stupid.

Homosexual men are MEN, some of whom are quite good men with Principle.

The complete rejection of homosexual men by some in the MRM - rejecting any finer qualities they may have - is anti-male and misandric. It is akin to picking out men with one leg or an eye missing and villifying them.

Get a life for fuck sake.

We are supposed to be fighting misandry here not practicing it.

Originally Posted by Percy

Why is it that some Americans use this word 'faggot'?

A faggot is a bundle of sticks used for kindling.

Use of such words which are meant deliberately to be villifying, demeaning name-calling is bigoted, adolescent and stupid.

Homosexual men are MEN, some of whom are quite good men with Principle.

The complete rejection of homosexual men by some in the MRM - rejecting any finer qualities they may have - is anti-male and misandric. It is akin to picking out men with one leg or an eye missing and villifying them.

Get a life for fuck sake.

We are supposed to be fighting misandry here not practicing it.

Your lack of understanding of the mindset of American youth is apparent in this post. Given that your not part of our generation, I don't fault you. I can't speak for Otis, but I can tell you that my use of the word "faggot" is supposed to be a rejection of liberal orthodoxy and political correctness, not homosexual men in general. I use the words "fag," "gay," "queer," and "homo" as a negative because that is exactly what liberal or "progressive" institutions are telling us not to do. They damn us for saying it through commericals (using celebrities) and in school. My use of the word is not of homophobia, but of defiance.

It's just a word. I don't really care if somebody is gay or not. I do however, despise the gay "community" who I see as a bunch of Feminist/Liberal manginas.

I find it hard to accept libertarians to be all right wing. That doesn't make sense to me. But then maybe there is a shift because the right is the one defending freedom now a days. IMO.

But I think in the past many libertarians were left wing.

Originally Posted by Otis the Sweaty

It's just a word. I don't really care if somebody is gay or not. I do however, despise the gay "community" who I see as a bunch of Feminist/Liberal manginas.

Sodomite works too!

Originally Posted by Billy

I thought libertarians were for less, much less government. Less intrusion and fewer laws, the way the early US government started was.

Left wingers want big government to help out certain groups and more rules to restrict their opposition. Very pro-tax and spend. Lefties never stop wanting.

Feminists are for less government too, where it suits them. E.g. abortion.

OTS obviously disagrees strongly, but I still say there is a large overlap between libertarianism and feminism, especially in the moral and social spheres.

Abe was the first big government president and broke all the rules.

Rules shmules. Big Government, Small Government what's the difference. A Government is a Government.

If you don't have the power to secede from the Union, then it's Big Government regardless of how much taxing and spending is going on.

Originally Posted by Percy

Why is it that some Americans use this word 'faggot'?

A faggot is a bundle of sticks used for kindling.

Use of such words which are meant deliberately to be villifying, demeaning name-calling is bigoted, adolescent and stupid.

Homosexual men are MEN, some of whom are quite good men with Principle.

The complete rejection of homosexual men by some in the MRM - rejecting any finer qualities they may have - is anti-male and misandric. It is akin to picking out men with one leg or an eye missing and villifying them.

Get a life for fuck sake.

We are supposed to be fighting misandry here not practicing it.

Hmm..America bashing?

Ok, well, if I am not mistaken....what we Americans call a cigarette, Brits call a fag.

Still want to engage in this cultural contest of words?

Originally Posted by julie

I find it hard to accept libertarians to be all right wing. That doesn't make sense to me. But then maybe there is a shift because the right is the one defending freedom now a days. IMO.

But I think in the past many libertarians were left wing.

A true libertarian thinks a country should allow social as well as economic freedom. Whether they side with the left or side with the right depends on what they want to fight for most, personal or economic freedom. Because there is now less economic freedom in the US than there has been for a very long time, libertarians are now tending to side with the right.

Oh and on the topic of the word faggot. There are many different words to describe a man who favors men and all of them are derogatory in my mind.

Being "men" does not make them saints. As far as I am concerned (and this opinion has seen me banned from SYG) faggots, queers, gays, fudge packers, etc... are not on our side. There may be a few here and there but as a whole, the gay agenda and feminism are allies. In fact, they actively support one another. Go to feministing and see how the lovely ladies feel about homosexuality (both men and women).

Homosexuality and feminism are allies because they both fight against the heterosexual norm, against heterosexual men and heterosexual marriage.

Did I ever mention that I discriminate between homosexuals (both sexes)
and "gays"?

Is it fair to say that faggot is inclusive of whiny males, regardless of their sexuality?
I'm guessing that Australians might look askance if I said I gave a disobedient child a smack on the fanny.

Has anyone else here actually been to a gathering of folk congregating under the flag
of Libertarian, or libertarian? (Um...like the 4 day Porcupine Festival in Lancaster NH last June)

I also make distinctions between "Left" and "Right" that do NOT include those who are labeled Liberal and Conservitive, or "register" as Democrat and Republican. The folks I've seen that call themselves Libertarian (maybe "register" as Independent) seem to fill the entire rainbow.

It's been my experience that ANY group of three or more people will include- those that are week or stupid, those that are strong or smart, and those that simply hide in the middle(average) and ALWAYS get to the buffet table before I do, and before the spiral-cut honey ham runs out.;-)