Brutal Libertarian Attack Against Feminism

fcb98292 · #31 11th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by musicman.2

The Sanctity of Life Act was introduced by a libertarian/republican. The conservatives didn't do it.

Libertarians would support no fault divorce but there would be no alimony. I wonder who this benefits?

Ending the war on drugs would keep many innocent men out of prison.

That's quite a loaded list there, deserving three posts of retort/support. I will pick one.

No fault divorce is why many divorced fathers no longer have access to their kid(s), despite orders of visitation. No thanks.

shaazam · #32 12th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by Otis the Sweaty

ToddSeavey.com Blog Archive Aborting Feminism, Adding Links

This is the best article I have ever read against Feminism. Not only does it batter Feminism mercilessly, it conclusively proves that Feminist thought is entirely contrary to Libertarianism.

Many women and manginas are trying to say that not only can Feminism be mixed with Libertarianism, but Feminism is actually essential to Libertarianism.

I also believe this shows that there is no place for women in Libertarianism (except for Ayn Rand, who is dead). Women will try to Feminize any movement they become a part of.

a copy from the blog

""This is really my main complaint about feminism, as philosophy""

neither is it a philosophy - it is dogma like Marxist Leninism which was forced down folks throats per imidation and relentless agitprop much like feminitism has been for the last 40 years and is as we speak IMBRA VAWA

and like Marxist Leninism those folk that refute it suffer consequences and some don't even have to refute it as feminitisim has a spiteful to malicious nature eg Duke Lacrosse where a wimyn's lie was sufficient to arraign innocent students on witless rape charges

( ad hoc rape allegations are one of the favourite feminit wimyns hate tools agin men)

the feminitism saturated media including that chattering feminit talk fest which is the Oprah circus are examples of the style of Feminitism that is a presumption and enforcement of self righteousness through the law and media

it is obvious -from the above blog -that men are awaking from their 40 year Rip Van Winkle slumbers and are finally absorbing the dimensions of the malicious confidence trick that has been perpetrated on men by wimyn and their mangina lickspittles

5tuntma5t3r · #33 12th-July-2009

Hilariously good and intelligent article.

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Originally Posted by ToddSeavey.com

The power of women to delude themselves into not noticing these patterns even while engaging in them would be breathtaking were it not by now so familiar

I couldn't help but crack up at this part

shaazam · #34 12th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by RebelliousVanilla

There's no such thing as a leftist libertarian. The political spectrum from left to right is more government on the left and less on the right - both the GOP and the Democrats are left wing parties, actually. Or if you want to keep the current spectrum with communism on the left and fascism on the right, the spectrum is actually a circle with communism and fascism being almost the same thing.

The government has no job in regulating society or legislating morality. Laws should be based on the natural rights of individuals - life, property and so on - and those should be protected by the government. That should be the sole purpose of government - enforcing the rights of individuals, defense and regulate a few limited things.

When government will be taken out of the economy, just like the church was taken out of government, the world will become a better place and people will be more responsible. Collectivist thinking breeds hate, racism, sexism, victimization and guilt and these are the real cultural problems of the world. Feminism, Racism and so on are all collectivist groups seeking privileges over other groups.

I especially like the first paragraph

Timocrat · #35 12th-July-2009

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There's no such thing as a leftist libertarian. -RV

Oh yes there is! The left is in the process of taking over libertarianism, like they have liberalism, progressivism and even conservative (Red Tory and Rhino Republican). They ruin a name and move on to a next one. They will even take MRA and ruin it, if we let them, as some want as they are pure useful idiots.

Men's Right Net may not know his history in this area, but he is fashionably right on the mark with Libertarianism today. In the US & Canada they have moved left for decades in an effort to get elected, yet have never been able to get electd. So much for being so pragmatic. They are pushed by the left on the culture issues, and pushed to be for free trade for only multi-nationals in the economic.

Abortion is simply a wedge issue. Big biz want population control and women buying without thinking, and the left wants women to vote for their agenda. Modern libertarians long for power and so they need the woman's vote and so will be pro-abortion.

Men Rights Network and others who see what libertarianism "appears to be" are right to see it as no silver bullet, but they are mistaken for this can happen to any group or cause once Hegel is used on them or it.

RV is not a Tera or Julie, but a Ayn Rand wannabe. She sees herself as an elite in the making with a will to power. Ayn Rand was an athiest and a loser. She sold "fictional" books, but has been unable to stop to date the flow she saw, despite her profit in trying to stop it. When someone sees themselevs as an elite, just like her, what is the difference between her and communalists she says she dislikes. They are in fact just what she is, but in politics. They are winners in the game of lies, and are her professionals in politics. They have in fact merged in the NWO plan.

We will always have elites, but the rules must be fair, not look fair, but be fair. And those who pose with cork dorks seem unable to withstand the urge to look down on others in making their case. Ayn Rand reminded me of the actress Bette Davis, as she oozzed contempt. How can such a person represent anything if she can't even hold her contempt in check. She may have been merely a intellectual Hollywood; instead of an Hollywood intellectual. How can you expect anything from cork dorks at the Algonquin room?

anti-progressive adam · #36 12th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by fcb98292

Libertarians, from my experience, are far more independent, but also more scatterbrained, due to a lack of political agenda. I like this. It provides leeway for people who are sick of politics in general (as every generation gets at some age) and just want to live life and be left alone by government. When I get old, I want to be left alone to enjoy my twilight years.

The Libertarian party has defined a general idea of who they are and what they want. As an observer of liberals, and as one frequently amused by feminists, there is very little I would stomach from the left... killing innocent, unarmed and unheard people without rights would be at the top... but liberals serve to keep me sharp and practiced against their emotional sensationalism. As a participant with conservatives, their cowtowing and compromise to the left is sickening, but some of their core values, even if not presently visible in platform, reach to my core, and will remain. So, I can see a Libertarian party melding people of various stripes together, if boundaries are respected. And I guess that might make it a political party. I am uneasy with this, since I do not see politics as the way out of our national crisis.

Time will tell, it always does.

The Libertarian Party itself has sort of become a joke. For one, they chose a neocon for a candidate, an allegedly "reformed" neocon but I don't buy it. Two, they sort of have become like the dems and republicans as far as ostrenizing people goes. The Libertarian Party has basically been mistaking non-interventionism with pacifism, and they ostrenize anyone who doesn't EXACTLY agree with them on foreigh policy. This combined with the surge of the "9/11 Truthers" to the party have pretty much made it a laughing stock. The LP needs either some serious reform or to be disbanded and rebuilt, maybe into something called "The Miniarchist Party."
I would like to point out though that when a Libertarian chooses to run in a major party, they almost always join the Republicans. So that should be an indicator that they are more aligned with conservatives than with liberals.

RebelliousVanilla · #37 12th-July-2009

When I say there is no left wing libertarian, I use the proper meaning of libertarian, not what they'd make it up to be.

Also, if you use my political spectrum, with more government to the left and less government to the right, libetarianism would be on the right.

And hey, Obama is doing almost the same shit as Bush, only worse. I'm not into all that conspiracy theory crap, but it's obvious that the government is influenced heavily by others.

Aug9th-LiveOrDie · #38 12th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by RebelliousVanilla

When I say there is no left wing libertarian, I use the proper meaning of libertarian, not what they'd make it up to be.

Also, if you use my political spectrum, with more government to the left and less government to the right, libetarianism would be on the right.

And hey, Obama is doing almost the same shit as Bush, only worse. I'm not into all that conspiracy theory crap, but it's obvious that the government is influenced heavily by others.

tru tru
hoebama is the same as bush basically
during bush's admin I warned people that some liberal would use bush's expanded powers to fuck over right wing flyover country americans

RebelliousVanilla · #39 12th-July-2009

lol, Sotomawhore, Hoebama...

Obama's policies are worse than Bush's, but the philosophy is similar. Deficit spending, stimulating the economy, more welfare, policing the world...

musicman.2 · #40 13th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by fcb98292

That's quite a loaded list there, deserving three posts of retort/support. I will pick one.

No fault divorce is why many divorced fathers no longer have access to their kid(s), despite orders of visitation. No thanks.

I think in a truly libertarian society there would be no divorce court. There would be no interfering in personal affairs. There would probably be automatic shared custody without the need for a court.

anti-progressive adam · #41 13th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by musicman.2

I think in a truly libertarian society there would be no divorce court. There would be no interfering in personal affairs. There would probably be automatic shared custody without the need for a court.

I don't know about that. Even in a pure libertarian society the government is still there to "settle disputes."

senach · #42 13th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by anti-progressive adam

I don't know about that. Even in a pure libertarian society the government is still there to "settle disputes."

I suppose that would be a change from "causing disputes"

CSRevenant · #43 25th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by RebelliousVanilla

There's no such thing as a leftist libertarian. The political spectrum from left to right is more government on the left and less on the right - both the GOP and the Democrats are left wing parties, actually. Or if you want to keep the current spectrum with communism on the left and fascism on the right, the spectrum is actually a circle with communism and fascism being almost the same thing.

The government has no job in regulating society or legislating morality. Laws should be based on the natural rights of individuals - life, property and so on - and those should be protected by the government. That should be the sole purpose of government - enforcing the rights of individuals, defense and regulate a few limited things.

When government will be taken out of the economy, just like the church was taken out of government, the world will become a better place and people will be more responsible. Collectivist thinking breeds hate, racism, sexism, victimization and guilt and these are the real cultural problems of the world. Feminism, Racism and so on are all collectivist groups seeking privileges over other groups.

Before I attempt to pick your post apart, I'd just like to mention that I agree with many of your posts, and you often have valuable insights.

Anyways, no such thing as a leftist libertarian? Maybe if you go by the dictionary definitions of left wing and right wing. I consider myself a liberal libertarian.

I believe in libertarian ideas like minimal gun control, I'm pro choice, and I'm for legalizing drugs (not that I use them), among other things. But I also liberal views on the economy, gay marriage, the environment, etc. At least in the USA, the right wing differs with mainstream libertarians on many major issues like abortion and drug control.

I just don't see libertarianism on the same axis as I do left and right, as I have seen right wing and left wing libertarians. Granted, these may just be personal views on specific ideas, and not libertarianism.

And like you said, the political spectrum is non-linear, as the extreme left and extreme right tend to bleed into each other.

But hey, that's just my take.

CSRevenant · #44 25th-July-2009

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Originally Posted by RebelliousVanilla

There's no such thing as a leftist libertarian. The political spectrum from left to right is more government on the left and less on the right - both the GOP and the Democrats are left wing parties, actually. Or if you want to keep the current spectrum with communism on the left and fascism on the right, the spectrum is actually a circle with communism and fascism being almost the same thing.

The government has no job in regulating society or legislating morality. Laws should be based on the natural rights of individuals - life, property and so on - and those should be protected by the government. That should be the sole purpose of government - enforcing the rights of individuals, defense and regulate a few limited things.

When government will be taken out of the economy, just like the church was taken out of government, the world will become a better place and people will be more responsible. Collectivist thinking breeds hate, racism, sexism, victimization and guilt and these are the real cultural problems of the world. Feminism, Racism and so on are all collectivist groups seeking privileges over other groups.

Before I attempt to pick your post apart, I'd just like to mention that I agree with many of your posts, and you often have valuable insights.

Anyways, no such thing as a leftist libertarian? Maybe if you go by the dictionary definitions of left wing and right wing. I consider myself a liberal libertarian.

I believe in libertarian ideas like minimal gun control, I'm pro choice, and I'm for legalizing drugs (not that I use them), among other things. But I also liberal views on the economy, gay marriage, the environment, etc. At least in the USA, the right wing differs with mainstream libertarians on many major issues like abortion and drug control.

I just don't see libertarianism on the same axis as I do left and right, as I have seen right wing and left wing libertarians. Granted, these may just be personal views on specific ideas, and not libertarianism.

And like you said, the political spectrum is non-linear, as the extreme left and extreme right tend to bleed into each other.

But hey, that's just my take.

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