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I have never denied being a feminist, just said that I am not a second wave feminist...

Your education in gender studies should at least have informed you that to men and anti-misandrists, ANY kind of feminist is a feminist. It is a mental condition which you should seek treatment for and not expect any rational person to trust you until the treatment is complete.

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Please see this as an opportunity for you to tell your side of the story in a non-judgemental environment...I am keeping an open mind...
...I am not a second wave feminist who wants to misuse your trust...

We are not such fools as to imagine that a feminist can possibly be non-judgemental about men. If you truly understood about feminism or even "gender studies" you would know that.

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How will anyone outside of the men's rights groups websites ever hear your opinions?

You can read our opinions on comments to misandrist news articles. You can see our messages on an increasing number of posters and badges. You can hear the anti-misandrist position more and more in pubs and clubs. You can listen to radio broadcasts and view videos on YouTube to understand our issues. Even some brave politicians - at local, national and European levels - are speaking out in favour of men and a balanced society. The Men's Rights Movement does not and can not rely on feminists to spread its message.

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Anyway, I tried to engage you...

No, you tried to use us. If you want to engage us, there is a large forum here just for that purpose.

If this is a 'debate', as she says, then its not a piece of unbiased research is it? If two people are on two sides of a debate, and one is the subject of the interview, and the other is the one writing up the interview and interpreting it, whose view do you think is going to win out?

This is just to good not to repost.

From MRO;

Quote from: AnnaArrowsmith on August 16, 2012, 06:57:41 PM
I hope some of you will take the opportunity to have your voice heard outside of the men's rights environment. Personally, I think it is important to keep a line of dialogue open between differing factions of the gender debate.

This reveals the reality of this 'study'. If there is a debate between two sides, but one side is in the position of being the subject of the research and the other side is the author, whose perspective do you think is going to win?

Does the need for objectivity and lack of bias mean anything?

Theres a kind of arrogance here, that us men should feel grateful for the opportunity for a feminist to write about us, as its a way for our voices to be heard. Well guess what, WAY more people read our stuff online than will ever read a PhD thesis, and we don't need to go through a feminist to get our voices heard. You no longer own the debate.

Furthermore, I find the structure of this study very weird and biased. You are starting with an assumption of 'misogyny', and secondly you seem to think that the views of 'female sex workers' are almost as relevant to the subject of men and dating as men's views. Why on earth would this be the case unless you were trying to set up a biased perspective?

Its so sad that someone could get a PhD for this biased politicised drivel. Many people have to do genuine, careful rigorous research to attain their PhD; stuff like this dilutes the reputation of this degree.

this whole forum is what men think about dating wimyn ! it would be a bit like an inmate of Auschwitz asking one of the SS screws for a date; and who would like to be on top of his list of attention to be rendered doesn't pornography objectify and debase wimyn ! a part of the 10 000 year supression of wimyn by the chauvinistic piggies etc ! I don't knock pornography as it provides work for witless wimyn and directors organising the production of it

If this feminist is a PhD student based primarily on licentiousness, then our mate felixblue deserves one also, maybe even a Nobel Peace Prize based on what Arrowsmith constitutes as worthy. What a chuckle indeed!

And, as for "Rethinking Misogyny" that cannot be done until misandry is universally accepted and factored into the equation. We need to approach hatred as a bilateral problem, not where only one sex claims to be subject to it at the detriment of the other, and consequently a huge political, social and legal apparatus is assigned as the convenient toys of spiteful women.

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"The aim of this study is to ask the question whether some of men's behaviour to women has been understood correctly as misogynistic (women hating).

Allow me to answer that for you, and save you a lot of trouble: NO. I get the strange feeling that your study will conclude otherwise, somehow, though........not sure what it is, but I just have an inkling, funnily enough.....

It is therefore important to know more about how men understand women on the subject of dating. This project will involve the interviewing of 30 men from dating related websites/groups in order to get a male perspective on this subject, over a six-month period. A further 10 female sex workers will also be interviewed for their interpretations of men's experiences of dating women as it is believed that men can find talking to a sex worker about emotions easier than perhaps talking to female friends of family.

They can? I always thought that these sex workers just wanted for the men to be "straight in-and-out" (excuse the pun!). An interesting choice, I have to say.

Anyway, Anna, may I ask: what is it that makes you feel the need to use the 'feminist' label? What are you pushing FOR, in 2012 Britain? You say you sympathise with certain areas of the men's rights movement? Which areas, and why? Perhaps you could list areas, in which you feel women are discriminated against, and we could do the same, when it comes to men? We could then see how our respective lists compare, and which side does the better job, when it comes to arguing against the other's. Which side provides the most statistics, that sort of thing.

And if you're as open-minded as you claim to be, maybe you'll experience a change of opinion. Consider it a friendly challenge, from someone who, as a supporter of the men's movement, relies on logic and moral values, rather than PROPAGANDA, to substantiate and justify his arguments; and, as such, is confident and happy to debate freely with those of an opposing viewpoint. Consider being allowed the freedom to air your views, on the most popular men's rights forum on the internet, to be a testament to these values, as echoed throughout the men's movement.

Maybe some specific mens' behavior is misogynistic. That's human nature, everyone is broken in some way.

But is some of mens' (i.e. society's) behavior misogynistic. I think if you perceive that it is, that's one of the ways you are broken. Especially coming from someone who has no problem with porn.

Doesn't matter, guys, she already said she would not discuss it on the forum. She probably isn't even reading the responses. I'm over it.

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Maybe some specific mens' behavior is misogynistic. That's human nature, everyone is broken in some way.

But is some of mens' (i.e. society's) behavior misogynistic. I think if you perceive that it is, that's one of the ways you are broken. Especially coming from someone who has no problem with porn.

Indeed, genuine misogyny doesn't exert real power in our politically corrected society, nor is it acceptable beyond the constrained abodes of angry individual men, yet misandry is a fashionable tool integrated into every aspect of politics, academia, media and law. The contrast is so stark it's breathtaking! Which strand of hatred needs addressing more?

Maybe the good AnnaArrowsmith could do her own little experiment?

Put poster's up that say Women's right's are human right's,then right beside them,put up poster's that say almost the exact same thing,Men's right's are human right's.


Then ask her to observe which of the two sign's are ripped down or vandalized and by whom and for what reason.

Who is the hatefull crowd and who are the primary victim's of that hate?

Seems to me that feminism has really hit it's mark in the U.K..


Anna cannot find thirty men to take part in her "study",in all of the U.K.?

Think about that for a sec.......

Shows how much faith men have in any feminist doing a study,doesn't it?