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    Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

    Where would we be without Malcolm? - Feministing

    This is a post about how great Malcolm X was. For the record I respect and admire Malcolm X, but think that he was a fairly bad guy. He isn't the type I'd like to have a beer with, were he still alive.


    But this post was not good enough for uber bitch "Renee". She runs a shit website called "Womanist Musings" (she refuses to call herself a Feminist because she thinks they don't kiss the ass of "people of color" enough) where she complains endlessly about how everything is racist. Anyway, here is what she said:

    [15+] Renee said:
    As much as I love the work you do Samhita, I must say that I am angry that this post is a day late. I also wonder why it fell to you to acknowledge the importance of Malcolm X and not one of your fellow (read: white) bloggers? I roamed around the blogosphere yesterday looking for references to Malcolm and not surprisingly there was little to no mention of him except on black blogs...gee imagine that. Malcolm X is ignored by many because he makes them uncomfortable much the same way as people who profess to love MLK cannot seem to quote him past 1963 gee I wonder why that is (yes huge snark). This kind of purposeful erasure or a day late and a dollar short recognition is exactly why WOC get pissed and feel unwelcome in feminist spaces.

    p.s.: Does anybody know what happened to MLK post 1963? Did he get more radical or something? I never heard anything about that.

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

    Didn't Martin Luther King Jr. cheat on his wife several times? (Seems I read that somewhere long ago.)

    Even if he didn't...mentioning that to Ms. Uppity would surely add some flames to the fire.

    That is, of course, if one is interested.

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

    By the way, I'm on the side of Renee here. She is a bitch, but I love seeing the white, privledged, whores at Feministing having the victim card played against them for a change.

    Here is the continuing exchange:

    [9+] Samhita replied to Renee :
    Renee, thanks for the comment. I mean, ouch, but I see where you are coming from, even if your tone feels hurtful.
    I think we can speculate why it is an oversight or subconscious, conscious or maybe even strategic reasons why this post is a day late. I can't speak for other editors at Feministing, but I am writing today and I wrote about it today. That doesn't mean I care about it less because it is a day late or that it is an oversight. And I don't think my post is a "dollar short!"
    What I will say tho, is that the reason I wrote about it is because of the community I am part of which is anti-racist, grassroots organizing, activist community so it was on blast over all my social media. And I think one thing I can read out of the point you make is that all of us are drawn to activism for multiple reasons and motivated by different leaders. Malcolm is someone that motivated me greatly, so I found it important that I write about him, even if a day late.
    There are many blogs that did and didn't write about him, both feminist and race-focused blogs. All of us make editorial choices and I think it is dangerous to say that they are merely based on racist standpoints. That is of course PART of the problem and always is, but I don't think that is the only reason. And a long-term inability to incorporate a real anti-racist standpoint in feminist organizing still stands, that is not unique to the way that issues are represented at Feministing, which I think is very diverse in voice and issue coverage.
    Samhita is such a cunt I can't even believe it. Here is Renee's response:

    [10+] Renee replied to Samhita :
    Samhita;
    I did not mean to imply that your post was not good, in fact I enjoyed it. My issue was the timing and the fact that once again it fell to you to write it. You are largely the reason I continue to read feministing and in fact I rarely comment unless it is a post written by you.
    My point is that issues that are important to woc are not written about with the same seriousness or concern as those that effect white women. The erasure of Malcolm is a huge deal and none of the white bloggers here bothered. Feministing is not alone in its erasure because neither Pendagon, Shakesvuille or Feministe bothered either, despite the "we believe in intersectionality" bullshit. Most often when women of color or racial issues are brought up, it is as anecdotal evidence to point to the ways in which white women are oppressed. If white women cannot be centered in the conversation the issue is deemed irrelevant and ignored. The missing Malcolm posts highlight this point.
    There have been only a few comments on this thread and already it is filled with misinformation based in white privielge. Whiteness does not have to concern itself with our heroes, or our history and yet each and every day we must learn about whiteness in order to negotiate it for the sake of survival. So yeah, you could say I am pissed with having to say the same things to the same people repeatedly. Not even with grading on the bell curve can it be said that feminism (or at least the blogosphere version) has shown a committed effort to deal with its privielge and take a truly anti-racist perspective. A while ago I wrote a post entitled I am not a feminist and each day this decision is proven correct.
    Random white Feminist bitch chimes in

    [14+] darby replied to Renee :
    "Purposeful erasure?" For being a day late? I'm suprised he got mentioned at all. He's not exactly a feminist icon.
    Oh no she didn't! Notice that the comment got +14. It seems a lot of bitchy white Feminist readers are sick of the Renee's bitching.

    Later, another white bitch states:

    [22+] PamelaVee replied to Renee :
    I feel it's unnecessary to get this nasty. I also feel like this discussion is steering towards putting people of different races in strict camps, which is racist in itself. I feel comments like yours are just extremely divisive and hurtful.
    Not all white people are against this or that, and saying "whiteness" as a blanket statement is really "us" against "them". Please don't forget that it wasn't only black people in favor of civil rights. If you have a problem with someone's post, address the problem itself instead of lumping all people of one color (which apparently you were incorrect in your assumption of) into one category.
    I didn't see anyone in this thread (yet) denying the awful treatment of black people (actually, any people who weren't white and male) since this country's beginning. It's been a brutal, shameful history of oppression, to say the very least.
    This post made me learn more about him, which is a good thing. I am eager to see what other people have to say.
    Renee didn't like that one at all:

    [9+] Renee replied to PamelaVee :
    Do you want to call me "angry" as well because I have the nerve to demand that a so called woman friendly space speak about Black leaders. OOOOH the mean black wonen are getting uppity again. Why is it that the minute a woman of color dares to challenge whiteness we are being divisive?
    For the record it is not racist to refer to whiteness because only white people have the power and the privilege to act systemically but you would know that if you cared about what POC actually have to live threw. This is nothing but a silencing tactic. If it makes you uncomfortable, the issue is yours not mine. I am not in the habit of sugar coating my words for pearl clutchers.
    I find it disgusting that it took this post for you to learn about Malcolm, when every single day POC are forced to learn about whiteness and white history. You get no fucking pat on the back from me. How many other black leaders do you not know about because you have chosen to be purposefully ignorant; this btw is a privilege.
    Burn! You tell her Renee!

    Renee tested the limits of PamV's PCdom, however. Look how PamV lashes back:

    [15+] PamelaVee replied to Renee :
    How did I know you were going to use some of these key phrases. Lucky guess, I suppose.
    No one fucking called you uppity. I didn't label you "angry" even though you clearly are because you can't have a reasonable discussion w/o going into hyperbolic stereotypes. Some of us do understand that that word (uppity) has racist connotations, and some of us never use it. I was trying to have an open dialogue, and was respectful of you. You can feel however you want, that's within your rights. But don't expect someone to not have a different opinion, especially when your message is packages the way it is.
    I didn't say I didn't know ANYTHING about Malcom. And I sure as hell wasn't looking for your approval. You are making yourself look really awful so I will just continue to let you do it. Have fun. I tried to be nice.
    Notice the +15? This is great.

    Renee fires back:

    [3+] Renee replied to PamelaVee :
    You weren't trying to have an open conversation you were trying to control my speech and you got told. It is not angry to defend yourself but then you pearl clutchers simply cannot stand to hear the truth. BTW if you knew I was going to use those phrases it is because your original comment was demeaning. Don't start shit and there won't be any.
    oh!

    white bitch Darby says:

    [11+] darby replied to Renee :
    Oh, so let's blame white women, right?
    You know what, I'll say it right now, you are angry. You are so angry that you can't even think straight. So many white women respect you, read your blog and learn from you, yet you distrust them. They are trying to rise above racism, confront their privileges, but you only see their shortcomings. White women are not your enemy, Renee. But I'm starting to believe that's the only way you want to view them.


    There is more but it is basically more of the same. i just had to gloat over the PC chickens coming home to roost.

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

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    Didn't Martin Luther King Jr. cheat on his wife several times? (Seems I read that somewhere long ago.)
    yeah, he'd actually seen on hooker on the day he got murdered.

    Even if he didn't...mentioning that to Ms. Uppity would surely add some flames to the fire.
    oh my god, that would be hilarious

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

    Dr. Martin Luther King may have cheated on his wife but he still died fighting for what he believed in.

    As for the two morons arguing, just sit on the side lines and watch the two shit heads eat each other.

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    black white or brindle they are all bitchy - it comes from their personal sense of pique when they deem their dereistic entitlements are not realised upon which they dump their malice on the nearest target usually men

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

    Unless one has cast-iron proof that Martin Luther King 'cheated' on his wife or used prostitutes, do not even go there. False Allegations are rife and besmirch good men's reputations.
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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

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    Didn't Martin Luther King Jr. cheat on his wife several times? (Seems I read that somewhere long ago.)

    Even if he didn't...mentioning that to Ms. Uppity would surely add some flames to the fire.

    That is, of course, if one is interested.

    I've got better things to do...

    My parents and grandparents both said many times that was a slur made up by J.Edgar Hoople, you know, the one who wasn't gay but just lived his entire life with his assistant Clyde Tolson. The Mafia claimed it had him on film going around in drag. Tsk-tsk!

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

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    Where would we be without Malcolm? - Feministing

    This is a post about how great Malcolm X was. For the record I respect and admire Malcolm X, but think that he was a fairly bad guy. He isn't the type I'd like to have a beer with, were he still alive.


    But this post was not good enough for uber bitch "Renee". She runs a shit website called "Womanist Musings" (she refuses to call herself a Feminist because she thinks they don't kiss the ass of "people of color" enough) where she complains endlessly about how everything is racist. Anyway, here is what she said:




    p.s.: Does anybody know what happened to MLK post 1963? Did he get more radical or something? I never heard anything about that.
    He came out against the war in Vietnam and I think he won the Nobel Peace Prize. He was killed while in Montgomery Alabama where he was actually trying to get jobs for people, not just trying to integrate local restaurants.

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    Notice how this bigot uses slurs like "pearl clutchers" and nare a peep from anyone.

    For those who are unaware, that phrase is equal to "porch monkey".

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

    Renee is a racist.

    It's not just a one way street lady.
    SUPPORT THE POLICE!

    Kick your own ass.

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

    In my opinion, it isn't possible for a black person to truly be racist but that is a debate for another time. I have never heard the phrase "pearl clutchers" before but it was a racial slur I would agree that it was out of line.

    As for MLK, my understanding is the FBI had the guy on tape cheating on his wife. I'm not interested enough to look it up but this was told to me by my insanely liberal "Minority Studies" teacher in High School.

    It doesn't make him a bad guy or negate all the good he did. There was a tremendous amount of pressure on him to go the "hate whitey" route and he never did even though it lost him a lot of friends. Segregation ended years earlier than it would have if it weren't for him and his struggle.

    anyway, back to Renee. She is an extremely angry, and possibly mentally ill, mega bitch BUT I can understand her anger. She knows and understands what oppression really is but the arrogant, liberal white bitches on Feministing cannot stand seeing a black woman playing the victim card against them. In their opinion, the victim card is the exclusive property of (white) women and the only people who may be accused of racism are their political rivals.


    p.s.: one person on Feministing who really is a racist is Samhita. She hates white people and unlike blacks, her ethnic group lacks any legitimate gripes against whitey.

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    Haha, that feministing exchange was a hoot. Great entertainment.

    This was spot-on.

    Renee replied to Samhita:
    Most often when women of color or racial issues are brought up, it is as anecdotal evidence to point to the ways in which white women are oppressed. If white women cannot be centered in the conversation the issue is deemed irrelevant and ignored.
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    I can't stand feministing.com. I had always hated modern feminists, but for a while, I was indoctrinated into thinking "oh feminists aren't so bad. they just want equal rights. not equal priveleges," and then I go to feministing.com and lo and behold, I was right the first time. God, what a bunch of cunts.

    Anyway, I just got done trollingthe living shit out of them a few days ago. Wrote a satirical post pretending to be a rad-fem that made people so mad it was deleted. Now, people are still crying about that post because "it still shows the title, and even that is offensive."

    Oh and yes, I realize that trolling feministing.com isn't actually change anything, but I just did it for the lulz. And lulz I got.

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    Re: Bitchy Black Feminist feels White Feminists don't coddle her enough

    [quote=Otis the Sweaty;149479]In my opinion, it isn't possible for a black person to truly be racist but that is a debate for another time. I have never heard the phrase "pearl clutchers" before but it was a racial slur I would agree that it was out of line.

    As for MLK, my understanding is the FBI had the guy on tape cheating on his wife. I'm not interested enough to look it up but this was told to me by my insanely liberal "Minority Studies" teacher in High School.

    It doesn't make him a bad guy or negate all the good he did. There was a tremendous amount of pressure on him to go the "hate whitey" route and he never did even though it lost him a lot of friends. Segregation ended years earlier than it would have if it weren't for him and his struggle.

    anyway, back to Renee. She is an extremely angry, and possibly mentally ill, mega bitch BUT I can understand her anger. She knows and understands what oppression really is but the arrogant, liberal white bitches on Feministing cannot stand seeing a black woman playing the victim card against them. In their opinion, the victim card is the exclusive property of (white) women and the only people who may be accused of racism are their political rivals.


    p.s.: one person on Feministing who really is a racist is Samhita. She hates white people and unlike blacks, her ethnic group lacks any legitimate gripes against whitey.[/quote]
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    the largest segment of the feminist population?, it would turn out to be the Whites.


 

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