Where o where is the equality? Thou has forsaken me egalitarianism! Excellent work Marx! The best of both worlds for women is laid before your eyes. Chivalry or equality you cannot have them both Susie.

"It's my pleasure," not something you think is witty, like, "I'll consider this a down payment for later, if you know what I mean!
How many men really talk like that I mean get real a few emptyheads might but really how many men have you ever heard talk like that????

Navigate due south Cappin Karl due south full steam retreat!!!




EEEk.......That was Esquire advice here is some Antimisandry advice:

If you have organised a date its not to late to CANCEL IT AND JOIN THE DATING STRIKE.
Dating where does it lead to?...realtionships where do they lead you to?
The courthouse....must be why its called "courting"

Even asking for a date can leave you open to charges of
sexual harrassment
If you ask at work you may be damned sure the womens network will know when and where you asked....Will be given a full report of what you said, did, wore etc..on the day in question.
Leaving you at risk beacause your private life then is encroached by work.
If you hardly know her how much feminism has she imbibed?
Is she a gold digger, a user, a false accuser a manipulator.

Any logical man can see that these days dating is an anomaly it throws up immediately all the contradictions and dangers that beset modern relationships. Its also for many women an interview to see if the fool is rich enough, easy to manipulate....it is ALL about her.

Go to the pub and or watch a match you will have a good laugh
and go home happier than a date which in my experience were always slightly hellish even when they went well, I was always suspicious as just another guy who was 2 timed and used it proved my suspicions were well founded.

Around Valentines day I told a middle aged female co worker I was a typical Irish Bachelor and I laughed about Valnetines day. She has since become a bit hostile...Duh...So that expressing interest in dating can get you hassle, expressing aversion to it does not go down too well either....
Dear God give me a desert island to go and spend the rest of my days alone......

That article must have been written by a woman. Women love to make rules for others, esp. men, to follow. And why are flowers outdated? I would love to see a list of what women are expected to do FOR us men on dates, in relationships and in marriage. It would probably be a very short list.

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Go to the pub and or watch a match you will have a good laugh
and go home happier than a date...

If you run into a sweet girl there, also there to enjoy the match, just have fun with her, and don't offer to pay for ANYTHING.

Think I could write dating advice for msn? /sarcasm

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That article must have been written by a woman. Women love to make rules for others, esp. men, to follow. And why are flowers outdated? I would love to see a list of what women are expected to do FOR us men on dates, in relationships and in marriage. It would probably be a very short list.

They are expected to show up and allow you to entertain them. And keep your eyes above the neck, no matter what she's wearing!!

Anything else is pure oppression!

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They are expected to show up and allow you to entertain them.

Again, the attitude displayed is of a long-suffering adult (the woman) addressing a child (the man) - the modern belief that men are just over-grown children is getting really tiresome, but Esquire's advertisers love it don't they?

Originally Posted by KellyMac They are expected to show up and allow you to entertain them.

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Again, the attitude displayed is of a long-suffering adult (the woman) addressing a child (the man) - the modern belief that men are just over-grown children is getting really tiresome, but Esquire's advertisers love it don't they?

Kelly and Tom, good points. But then again, if we men are supposed to do everything in the relationship, including provide $ and entertainment, then who is the child and who is the adult? It just demonstrates the double-mindedness of feminists.

Manginas and entitlement princess preach chivalry. This is why I suggested a Advice Forum for tips on dating here so people with such issues can get good, normal advice.

Over the years I've found that the first thing to do on a date is go to bed together. Sex is much better when you both are away, not too full of stomach, and not drunk. Dinner and some entertainment is much better after the sexual tension have been taken care of.

Tactic: show up, invite yourself in, and ask for a tour of her bedroom. Forget the teenage nonsense. Tell her that you want to get it together before going out to dinner to get the sexual tension taken care of. If she refuses, walk away. She's just using you and not wanting you as her lover anyway. If she refused and you walked away you settled the important part of the relationship quickly, avoided a trying evenng, and saved your money.

All that "advice" crap is just teenage fiction, but it sounds good to teenage (and never grown up) females. Adult women know that the purpose of "dating" is to get laid anyway, and are often pleased that they can get laid now instad of later. Once the sex is done and you both had a good time, you will feel close and both enjoy the evening much more.

Have a good time

Bob

hmm. I guess I'm alone in that I like dating and I don't think it's a big deal to pay for stuff. If you want sex then, like bobx says, just ask. Women like sex too and many of them will happily put out. If you think you're buying sex when you pay for dinner, then you're just setting yourself up for disappointment, and I can understand why you're angry. My advice would be, don't date someone that you don't like. If you just want sex get a hooker.

Me, if I meet a girl and I like her, I ask her out and I don't mind paying for dinner because I'm enjoying her company. It makes *me* feel good - all of it. The food, the conversation, the company; I'm not "putting up with it" in the hopes of getting lucky later that night. I'm there because I want to be.

And if there's any doubt about liking the girl, because for example, maybe we haven't really had a chance to talk, I just meet her for drinks. If we hit it off then we can so some place else and I'm happy to pay. If not I politely leave. Seems pretty simple to me.

Me, if I meet a girl and I like her, I ask her out and I don't mind paying for dinner because I'm enjoying her company. It makes *me* feel good - all of it. The food, the conversation, the company; I'm not "putting up with it" in the hopes of getting lucky later that night. I'm there because I want to be.

I don't think there's anything at all wrong with paying for a date if you want to do it. I think the problem is more a matter of expectations. Women expect men to pay for everything. Once upon a time, I don't even think that was a problem, because both men and women had standards of behavior that were expected of them. The problem is that feminism has thrown any and all expectations of behavior on the part of women out the window, but STILL expect men to adhere to a certain standard.

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I don't think there's anything at all wrong with paying for a date if you want to do it. I think the problem is more a matter of expectations. Women expect men to pay for everything. Once upon a time, I don't even think that was a problem, because both men and women had standards of behavior that were expected of them. The problem is that feminism has thrown any and all expectations of behavior on the part of women out the window, but STILL expect men to adhere to a certain standard.

Exactly. I want to pay for things, everything in fact. I just think that women today lack a sense of reciprocity and respect when it comes to men. Women think they can treat men like boys and dogs and still receive chivalrous treatment: men paying for stuff, holding doors, and getting chairs, etc. I love doing that stuff, but when you are treated poorly, assumed to be a pig, and constantly challenged by women trying to prove they are equal to men, it takes all the joy out of it.

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Exactly. I want to pay for things, everything in fact. I just think that women today lack a sense of reciprocity and respect when it comes to men. Women think they can treat men like boys and dogs and still receive chivalrous treatment: men paying for stuff, holding doors, and getting chairs, etc. I love doing that stuff, but when you are treated poorly, assumed to be a pig, and constantly challenged by women trying to prove they are equal to men, it takes all the joy out of it.

No doubt. My advice is to either not date and do the hook up, get a sex services industry professional (I'm trying to be politically correct, here) or...

Do everything a man should do when dating a real woman, but don't take one micron of bulls*** from her. The minute she even thinks about even possibly acting even remotely like she might fathom that she is actually entitled to any of it, fabricate a real obvious excuse why you have to take her home right away and don't call her. I guess if you don't want to be too mean about it, look at your cell phone, push the end button a couple times and say an emergency just came up or act like you are suddenly nauseated (which you may well be).

You should still date in the correct way that dating should happen, but most girls really aren't capable of doing their end of the date. If you do want to get married and have some kids, you should keep trying to do it the right way. The alternatives really don't work very well for leading to an actual stable family in the long run.

You might say to, yourself, "Yeah, but how do I get laid??" Dating isn't for getting laid. That seriously is what prostitutes are for. Don't be ashamed. I have never seen one, myself, but after I had been married for a while, I really realized that I should have. I wish I had. Instead I spent far more money on bulls*** trying to woo women and/or pick them up at clubs. I got laid far less often. I ended up in far more situations where I've been dating someone for several months only to think to myself "What the f*** am I doing here??"

But above all, I have made such a massive, unmitigated ASS of myself doing all this. It's just humiliating looking back on what all I did -- all essentially to get laid and just because "prostitution is wrong" or some other idiotic idea I blindly accepted as a young single man. And what? Do I have some kind of viriginity or purity from not seeing one, now? After sleeping around with a bunch of slutty tramps I humiliated myself over trying to get? Do I have some kind of special dignity?

Not likely.

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I think the problem is more a matter of expectations. Women expect men to pay for everything.

I completely see your point. I would just respond that

a: I don't know what she's expecting or thinking because I don't ask, and don't really care (this isn't the kind of thing I'm talking about on a date). I do what I'm going to do regardless. The only way I could possibly gauge her expectations would be to delay pulling out my credit card and watch her reaction. What a trite little game! Screw that! If I ever got to the point of caring what her expectations are, the relationship is already long over. I decide where I'm going to go, what restaurant, what entertainment, etc. I invite someone along that I want to hang out with, and I pay.

b: I'm not going to be the male equivalent of an angry feminist. I'm not going to waste my life being angry about something that I imagine is going on in someone else's head. Life is too short for that, you know? Most people are basically good, and this paying thing is mostly an instinctive part of the human mating ritual anyway, the rest is just culture, and neither I nor her got to pick which culture we were raised in - so I just ignore it.