Thread: Anyone else find "Real" men are getting more scarce with each generation?

Firstly men should not base the worth on what women want,they should always please themselves first,for if he does not care for himself it makes it harder to care for others,also people will try to take advantage of your general good nature.

You look like a rounded and well grounded chap, Tiger.

Maybe you could help a few chaps with the fundemental questions, such as, 'Who does the Grail Serve'.

Stone me, cutiger 1903, with all that behind you and more to come, you should be running for President.

But don't make the mistake of defining what men should be by the expectations/demands of women. Females think they understand men but don't even get close; and most are far too self-absorbed to even dream of taking our needs into account. Which is why they have no business demanding what they want us to be. It is listening to women that gets us into so many crazy fixes in the first place. I also cringe every time I hear the words "real men". It is just another term that women got hold of and twisted so badly that it has now become meaningless. The guys that handed over their man card, as you so eloquently put it, are certainly the ones that let themselves be defined by women.

Are you into MGTOW by any chance? You sound like just the sort of man who should be.

That's the plan to make fewer traditional men. Every move by the establishment is to weaken the only force that can stop their tyrannical soft rule.

How often do you hear the term "macho" or "machismo" nowadays?
Feminist agitprop went after that like a dog to a bone. The original definition in English goes back to 1928, when it was used to mean a "tough guy". In reality, it is a code of masculine behaviors within Hispanic culture. used to define manhood. Anytime they accused you of being macho, they did it in a manner designed to rank you out or otherwise put you down. A lot of men took the bait and are afraid to act macho.

I don't think I ever defined manhood by a woman's standards. The men of my family I guess are best defined as a pack of warriors. Renegades, rebels and the occasional rogue mixed in for good measure. Pop was a firefighter at one point. Both Grandfathers were soldiers.

One of the things I think men lack most is a "Rite of Passage." When you know there's no going back to "boyhood."

For me, I think that moment came when my father looked at me and said, "Come home with your shield or on it."

I've read "Wild at Heart" and regardless of your religious beliefs, I think it brings up a lot of good points regarding what's in a man's heart.

Any women out there willing to chime in? How can you stand to date some of these spineless wimps?

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Ok, I'm a child of the 80's. When I look among my so called "peers" I find few that I actually respect.

My Dad raised me to be a man. Stand up for my beliefs, die for them if necessary. Watched a lot of John Wayne movies. I drive a Jeep and a Muscle Car. I eat red meat and believe humans didn't fight their way up the food chain so we could eat carrots. I have a bachelor's degree, I'm working on two Master's degrees. If necessary, I'll work a 100+ hour workweek (I've done it before.) I'm a combat veteran.

Heinlein said it best, [a Man] "should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently and die gallantly." My dad may have never read that passage, but he ensured I was capable of any situation. I can build cabinets, lead a prayer in public, write poetry (OK, I'll admit I'm no Byron,) and set a table for a formal dinner. I'm as comfortable in a Tux at a ball as I am in jeans getting greasy under the Jeep.

I feel most comfortable among my brother soldiers and police, firefighters, and Paramedics. They measure up to the standard I was raised with, they know what they're willing to die for. Most men I see around me seem.....tragic.

They're beaten down, they seem to think that a video game compares to real life. At best they're specialists in one thing, but rarely are they capable of survival in any situation.

To the other men on this forum, am I the only one that looks at most of these yuppies and think "Wow, when did you hand over your man card?" For the women on here I must ask, "What do women see in these hollow shells?"

Quote: "For the women on here I must ask, "What do women see in these hollow shells?"

There's something to see in nearly everyone no matter what talents or skills or traits they have or don't have. That being said, though, personally, such a man as you describe yourself to be intrigues me greatly. A man who is strong yet can write poetry....that's a mysterious and attractive combination!

I have compassion for the men you describe as "hollow shells." They're not hollow, (if you get to know them you'll know this)... they're beaten down by a feminist society that expects men to be docile, submissive...blames men for women's wrong doings (as well as their own), men lose their self-esteem during boyhood (if they ever had it at all), and without fathers as role models for these young men, so many are growing up without guidance and models of manhood in their lives.

Some figure out their own way. Some are late bloomers...some never do find their way...but I think the ones who never find their way are few. I imagine it's very hard to be a man in today's world. So many mixed messages being given to today's young boys and men.

Seems to me the traditional "real woman" is dying out as well.

You mentioned video games...being a replacement for real life. I think that's not too far from the truth, really. Technology has been (for quite some time now) making physical labor less and less demanding. People of today are physically (and with the computer age) mentally lazy. Not only are more people sitting around more, they have computers to do their mental exercises, as well...and people are communicating less on a social level, too. My stepdad lived as a child during the Great Depression...he's told me a lot about how it was back then. People of this generation have no concept of real work, real sacrifice, or real community living (concern, socially and spiritually). Things are very different now. Maybe it's not just feminism to blame for all the changes in gender roles and expectations (though I believe feminism has it's share.) Feminism may be a by-product of changing times (not necessarily a good by-product, mind you). Technology has changed our world in so many ways...some good, some not so good.

Why is specialization a bad thing?

The majority of the world's greatest men were specialists. What do you think scientists, poets, economists, generals are? I doubt most of them could do all those things.

The plan is to destroy masculinity so that boys and men will be submissive and complaint to the all mighty government!

When the government takes an aim at destroying all things masculine, I will take death over their false peace!!!!!!

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The plan is to destroy masculinity so that boys and men will be submissive and complaint to the all mighty government!

When the government takes an aim at destroying all things masculine, I will take death over their false peace!!!!!!

I understand that sir,better to die on your feet,than live on your knees.

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I understand that sir,better to die on your feet,than live on your knees.

Unless you're French.

Well, I'm not a fan of the the term "real men" (I always think in my head, 'What? Opposed to cardboard cut-out variety?' ), but I do know what you're saying, cutiger and there's a reason for it.

Society can't wage a war against all things masculine without seeing heavy fallout. As we've removed fathers from the home, boys are being raised without the benefit of a significant male role model. How can we expect a boy to know how to be a man if he's spent his life being raised by a woman who constantly denigrates his father (most commonly referred to as *sshole, b*stard or sperm donor)? Boys grown up in a world where they're confronted with a continuous stream of negative messages about manhood. Compound that with the lack of anyone to teach them through word and example what it is to be a man and it's inevitable that there are many, many boys and young men who are wandering rather lost and aimless.

This, above all, is why I applaud the creation of a code for men, because boys and young men need men to take an interest in them. They need the direction and guidance that they should have recieved at home from their fathers, in their schools by caring teachers and through a society that values and cherishes manhood. Sadly, that is simply not to be in today's world.

Real men is something like a trigger word for me as well and I am actually with musciman here. One of the biggest strength of men has always been our variety. At the end of the day it matters what you have done, no matter if you are the father of computer science but gay and suicidal, the great painter who hacked his ears off or are the genius who is seriously disabled and has to rely on others.

All of those are not role models for masculinity, but you really have to respect what those men have accomplished.