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What a pity.

You still didn't acknowledge my earlier question. How is it different than the background sound effects heard on a Pink Floyd album? Or any other album?

Eminem is telling a story, and the background stuff is just to enhance the record. The woman being shoved into the trunk and the "shut up bitch" in the background was there, 'cause it was in the song. And nowhere in the song, does Eminem go "Well, shoving women in trunks and calling them bitches is so cool!"

You need to get off your high horse, grandma.

Oh, and you also failed to answer how exactly MY rap song was linked with John Dias, and all the others that Julian Real mentioned. Nowhere in Julian's blog did he say, "And John Dias and Frostyboy and KaptKrunch were all a part of that 'Fuck the Feminists' song."

If memory serves me correctly, he was writing about all them other guys, before he started writing about me. And he hasn't written about any of us since, so I don't know what you think you're talking about half the time.

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You still didn't acknowledge my earlier question. How is it different than the background sound effects heard on a Pink Floyd album? Or any other album?

Eminem is telling a story, and the background stuff is just to enhance the record. The woman being shoved into the trunk and the "shut up bitch" in the background was there, 'cause it was in the song. And nowhere in the song, does Eminem go "Well, shoving women in trunks and calling them bitches is so cool!"

You need to get off your high horse, grandma.

I realize Eminem condemns the act in the end...but what bothers me is that for one, guys who fixate on musicians typically do not go throwing their pregnant girlfriends in their trunks and then drive off bridges...and it's just plain disturbing to listen to it all. I guess that he is telling a story......and I am glad he doesn't condone the actions of the man in the song!

Don't tell me to get off my high horse...you are no better than me with your "fuck the feminists" bullshit juvenile third grade antics.

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I realize Eminem condemns the act in the end...but what bothers me is that for one, guys who fixate on musicians typically do not go throwing their pregnant girlfriends in their trunks and then drive off bridges...and it's just plain disturbing to listen to it all. I guess that he is telling a story......and I am glad he doesn't condone the actions of the man in the song!

Don't tell me to get off my high horse...you are no better than me with your "fuck the feminists" bullshit juvenile third grade antics.

Oh, I'm telling you GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE. I'm sick of the way that you seem to think that your shit don't stink lately. And stalkers don't throw their girlfriends in the trunks of their cars? Well, stalkers have been known to do some crazy things. Sarah McLachlan's stalker commited suicide, Bjork's stalker senter her a bomb, and then commited suicide. It's not outside the sphere of possibility.

So how's your foot taste today?

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Oh, and you also failed to answer how exactly MY rap song was linked with John Dias, and all the others that Julian Real mentioned. Nowhere in Julian's blog did he say, "And John Dias and Frostyboy and KaptKrunch were all a part of that 'Fuck the Feminists' song."

If memory serves me correctly, he was writing about all them other guys, before he started writing about me. And he hasn't written about any of us since, so I don't know what you think you're talking about half the time.

MadShangi,

I just wish you'd protect yourself and the image of this site. How is the song linked? Well, Julian refers to these people on the same page, just above the song. Your name is mentioned in the same grouping as all the other names mentioned, thereby linking you to the site, the site to the other members mentioned, and the site to the song. You can argue the technicalities if you want to, but it looks bad....the whole thing...and if it doesn't matter to anyone else here, fine. It matters to me. I'm a member here, and I care about the image of the site because it is linked to the men's movement. (You can argue that one, too, I suppose.)

What you do is up to you.

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MadShangi,

I just wish you'd protect yourself and the image of this site. How is the song linked? Well, Julian refers to these people on the same page, just above the song. Your name is mentioned in the same grouping as all the other names mentioned, thereby linking you to the site, the site to the other members mentioned, and the site to the song. You can argue the technicalities if you want to, but it looks bad....the whole thing...and if it doesn't matter to anyone else here, fine. It matters to me. I'm a member here, and I care about the image of the site because it is linked to the men's movement. (You can argue that one, too, I suppose.)

What you do is up to you.

Oh wow! My name is mentioned as well as a bunch of other names, and the name of the site is mentioned. Big fucking deal! That's the nature of things, Tera. And if you haven't noticed, we're the only ones who read that guy's blog anyway. So I don't think this site is in any danger over anything that I do.

And I doubt your sincerity, since whenever somebody makes a criticism of feminism, you get all defensive, or claim we're being misogynistic. So I don't know where you get off sometimes.

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Oh wow! My name is mentioned as well as a bunch of other names, and the name of the site is mentioned. Big fucking deal! That's the nature of things, Tera. And if you haven't noticed, we're the only ones who read that guy's blog anyway. So I don't think this site is in any danger over anything that I do.

And I doubt your sincerity, since whenever somebody makes a criticism of feminism, you get all defensive, or claim we're being misogynistic. So I don't know where you get off sometimes.

Criticisms of feminism don't bother me at all. Lack of critical thinking skills bothers me. Demeaning women as a class, bothers me. Double standards bother me.

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Criticisms of feminism don't bother me at all. Lack of critical thinking skills bothers me. Demeaning women as a class, bothers me. Double standards bother me.

Lack of critical thinking skills and double standards bother me, too. That's why I'm calling you on your bullshit. Saying my rap song has been linked with John Dias, etc. when it hasn't. And saying that a rap song is misogynistic and misandric because of background noise?

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It matters to me. I'm a member here, and I care about the image of the site because it is linked to the men's movement.

So much so, that when we have new members who aren't fully on our wavelength, introduce themselves over at the 'New Members' board, you criticise us to them (with 'SeeC' and the newly-joined 'Ethele' being good examples of this). So much for promoting a good image of the site.......

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So much so, that when we have new members who aren't fully on our wavelength, introduce themselves over at the 'New Members' board, you criticise us to them (with 'SeeC' and the newly-joined 'Ethele' being good examples of this). So much for promoting a good image of the site.......

Yeah, I noticed that.

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So much so, that when we have new members who aren't fully on our wavelength, introduce themselves over at the 'New Members' board, you criticise us to them (with 'SeeC' and the newly-joined 'Ethele' being good examples of this). So much for promoting a good image of the site.......

Many people criticized them and made negative judgments of them with their very first posts. Just like you did me. I just warned them, that's all. Guess in retrospect, it wasn't really necessary to do so.

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Yes and I have the CD too, and on it you can hear her screaming and him yelling, "shut up bitch" and all the sound effects of her being dragged across the ground and terrorized...it's pretty sick stuff.

It didn't need to be on the CD. The words are enough. The whole thing is sickening...and I wonder, why the sound effects of her suffering? What f***ing purpose did that serve? Entertainment value?

Sick.

Still doesn't make it MISOGYNISTIC; not to mention that it being featured isn't a sign of approval of such actions, on anyone's part.

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Many people criticized them and made negative judgments of them with their very first posts. Just like you did me. I just warned them, that's all. Guess in retrospect, it wasn't really necessary to do so.

By "you", I take it you mean "a lot of you", as I never criticised you when you first joined; I welcomed you. Anyway, you can't see why these negative judgements were made? May have been their first few posts, but what if these posts were very revealing? If you were as concerned for our reputation as you say you are, there's no way you'd be drawing so much attention to the supposed misogyny around here; let alone actually criticising us to new members. You seem concerned only with women being criticised at all, and with feminism being criticised too much.