Angry Harry is coming round to realize that old dog MRAs like Bob and others have been right all along. Joint custody and "equal parenting" will not save our families. The only way to save families is to return to "Father Knows Best." Any of the so-called "equal rights" in failies have and will always be destructive to families and children.

MRAs need to do as Harrry now suggests, work toward the goal of restoring Father's rule of our families.

Blessings

Bob

the world has moved on...................the nuclear family is not ever going to return to the status it once held in america
the new left of the 60s and 60's got knocked up so to speak
gave birth to a hideous monster
but ya cant put the baby back in the womb once its born

gotta love it!

I like Harry. He's an old MRA. So am I. We are both in the same profession and both despair of it. We have both lived our whole adult lives in this miserable paradigm. We have both reached despair for the future.

He seeks a simple solution.

There isn't one.

Go back to taking the old pills. Hah!

What man in his right mind is going to go back to being responsible for a woman?

It HAS been tried.

It resulted in Feminism.

No.

Women have got to change. Going back to being 'dependant' 'big kids' is no solution.

Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat.

It's not the heat, it's the humidity.

If you operate under the assumption that the spread of mass-materialism through a market economy spawns the death of patriarchy, a story I heard this morning on National Public Radio should illuminate what we're up against. The story was about Chinese travelers who will soon be flooding U.S. markets (as they have done with European markets) in order to purchase authentic brand-name merchandise. I thought to myself, "This, the most populous country in the world, is increasingly getting its dose of family-killing materialism." It really started becoming obvious when the story said that the show "Desperate Housewives" had become "wildly popular" in China. The moral corruption is spreading.

I envisioned a world map in my mind, with colored dots representing the most populous regions -- one color for the patriarchal countries and another for the capitalist ones. Most of the countries with high population seem now to have succumbed to the creeping influence of materialism, or soon will be. In those countries that had not yet been corrupted by materialism, most were already statist as it was. I began to wonder if there was anywhere on earth where patriarchy and freedom lived in harmony.

I like the idea but it won't happen.
It begs the word opression and women won't change for the better until parents teach them differently.

Harry, what took you so long to see the obvious? You are basically admitting that you have been avoiding the truth for a long time, for reasons that of course are understandable, great to see you coming round to the reality of human family life as it works best.

Percy, when will you realise, women ARE, in the main, dependant, childlike creatures, ruled by volatile emotions and feelings..? Men always have had to look after them, and always will have to do. If they are not prepared to do that, they dont deserve to claim them as their own. Where has your deluded attitude towards women got you in life? You seem to think it is possible to teach snails to play golf..

I think there is a generation of men that for a while reaped the mostly economic and sexual "advantages" of feminism, plus the "feet up" factor that many lazy men like, before the women eventually turned sour and nasty and unfit to be in relationships as a result of having power they were not in the main equipped for.

Asking for women to change when they see no immediate reason to do so is like asking a dog to stop urinating on car wheels..

Feminism resulted from a generation of men selling the next generation out, in exchange for a temporary economic boost and easier sex.. They also sold their own daughters to corporate and state slavery and likely desperate childless misery in their 30's..

Now, affluenza has set in, everyone has enough to live on and poverty is largely irradicated and the easy sex looks like an easy trip to the clap clinic, a good way of spawing kids for women to kill by abortion or use as a weapon to beat fathers with and a mealticket for a womans easy?? life. A very cheap and often vulgar currency used by women selling little else other than their increasingly unattrative bodies..

Undoing 40 years of brainwashing seems to take a long time for those who most bought into and for a while benefitted from it..

The young men, however, can simply start as they need to go on..

I think young women are already starting to see that what harry is now suggesting offers a better alternative to what their mothers had..

I've seen Harry's views shifting, like the movement, to a garthering concenus. To those that are stubborn to a fault, and prefer familiar ground to common ground you may be swept aside by what's coming.

I'm sorry, but Harry sees on this issue that men of the past weren't old traditional morons who came about their social balance out of fluke or stubborness of their own. They came to their idea of social harmony out of studying the past and observing the present in comparison. They saw in it the truth that seems never fashionable. It is no mistake that women prize fashion over history, and suffer terribly for it, as does every culture they move to be dominated by its indirect effeminate flow and need to be fashionable.

Harry is a bigger man today in my eyes, not because he has changed to my position, but because he has changed after much thought (two attributes sorely lacking in many MRAs, who think it is manly to never give in on anything no matter how many times you lose in life and argument). Is a cut down wooden stump thus manly because it doesn't move??

In Japan the man that shows flexibility and finds coommon ground is admired, and stubborn men who lock horns all the time (and women that get emotional on everything and pragmatically look out for #1) are no where near allowed to lead others in serious positions.

Winging it, and never really looking at others positions closely, is the policy of a fool, who plays with words, earns his keep & fame, and does nothing but give commentary on the kingdom as it falls -for none expect the fool to fix anything (for he is only a bright funny fool!).

Writers glorify the fool for he can say what others do not dare, but this is in a society filled with those who fear speaking the truth (an effeminate one coming soon to ruin). We need no more funny fools, stubborn fools, no more writering fools, we need doers and compromisers and I'm happy Harry has proved his mettle. We need to follow his lead, not whine or bitch he has left your position.

FFF said:

FFF has obviously hasn't met my wife or my mother. I have met many women who show maturity over their male siblings and spouses, so to blanket females is not just, you must generalize not blanket! Men are better than Women are blanketers. The enemy doesn't want generalizing, for then their world can be left unrefomed. Your blanketing does them plessure for it discredits generalizing.

What almost all women do is rationalize fears, along with many men, and that allows them to unite with the worst elements in our present mess for they are afraid of direct doing and direct thinking men. Many of these good women can have a wonderful balance in their mind, in their lives, in their communitees, and even the state as a whole, but it is all for not as for soon as some fear comes into play they become unable to adhere to any of their own good ideas that would give better balance. They then resort to fitting in, as hard as many of our men refuse to fit in ever ( get a log cabin and make bombs).

Balance is needed in dealing with allies, not the enemy (as least for a long time to come, for they must be humbled for their effeminate goddess ways).

The need for MRA softs to cozy up with women's fears and the establishments desires (and in so doing distant themselves from over half the movement of radical men) shows a need to have other softs agree with your unbending territory, and to have lots of doe not confront you (to your face) on your strong leadership of the softs. Yes we see the need for diplomacy and moderation, but with the radicals and not the establishment, manginas, bad women and fear based good women. Your holding on to egalitarianism,(unlike Harry's more maturing stance) is seen as a need to have women and other softs like you, even as you say you are done with catering to them. This just doesn't match up for a supposed tough stubborn guy or bloke?

Such men are flowing to the soft effeminate position, for it holds some comfort, just as the radical positions hold little comfort? Yes? Men that have had no real father figure can't seem to find comfort with direct men for their individualistic aways for they aren't as warming as mother's. Sorry to belittle the softs into wanting the womb, but I'm sick of so many falling over themselves, as some new feminist comes on the board, to only get screwed later as her silence to your fair equality turns out to be sarcasim and distortion on a feminist forum. Maybe some of the more radicals are right, feminist will get more insane until it brought down by men, and it subconciously wants it, but can't get of their addiction to emotionalism.

It is the fearless women on the other side that dominate women today, and they have supporters who profit by this abomination. Even now a foot is the idea that men should fight for bringing feminsim to the Moslem world, as if we live in a better world 100%. The idea that our males need to fight other men is a well worn path, shown so well by Celtic Druid's effort on WWI's start.

Men that challenge; you fight, women that indirectly challenge you; you submit. This is following your instincts and not your mind. Do not be a bull led in all manner of directions by the red caped matador (who wears the clothes of a woman for he represents a woman leading a man around with colors and sparkle. This is why matadors wear ponytails, stockings, gold, lace and are said to be doing the mating dancing).

Such men play the role of a woman and want attention, even as they act bravely. Our Hollywood and sportmen seem to have much of this now too, with their PC talk 24/7. The reason a man does the bull fighting role is because it has risks, and even now they are often drugging the bull so it doesn't hurt the matadors. Bravery for fame is lost when you play the role of a women and think you are a man. You are not! You are merely a boy wanting fame and to be regarded as a man, not a man who doesn't follow the female dance. Disco sucks!

As for youth? I'm older, but don't listen to my ideas because I'm older, only because the words speak truth to you, have honor in support and preach loyalty as connected to the other 2.

It matters not that there are maybe 30% of women who are more mature/wise etc than 30% of men, the point is, under the "patriachal" system the wise women will be allowed to use their wisdom freely (as they always did) and the unwise men will not get far in life as the unwise women (now given free reign to wreak havoc in society) will be largely controlled by the wiser men who father, marry etc them..

The unwise men, however, will find life just a little bit less rewarding than it currently seems to be (short term) as they will find it more difficult to make and get away with foolish short-termism that leads to future difficulties..

When a man thinks short term in his dealings with women, he usually is thinking with his dick..

When he thinks long term, he is using his mind..

Women, generally, think more long term with their mating regions, and their minds, unless they are unwise, as then they make the mistakes that society has to pick up the tab for..

Control of the unwise fellow, male or female, is best left to the wise fellow who sired him/her..

Women, dont really seem to be that good at controlling the unwise..

They seem to just evade the issues and say..

"Find your own way and make you own mistakes.."

Oddly, those mistakes often come home to roost..

To forever think that the government can sort out these problems is to believe the traditional family should not do it and the current messed up family styles cannot do it..