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    The advent of trollopism.

    Here, in my town, recently opened a bar with lap-dancing girls where men spend their evenings in a relaxed atmosphere.

    The way these bars are proliferating, in spite of the low income pay of the lap-dancers, will mean that trollopism is becoming an accepted form of showing the twisted mind which controls the new emancipated women.

    Emancipation! Ha! my foot!

    Women on their own are more dependant than ever on themselves and tha lap-dancers are living proof of it.

    Those are the victims of the great feminist lie.

    Women are never freer than when they are married.

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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

    The hypersexing of the culture had to happen along with feminism. The reason for that is that sexuality is the core natural power base of female human beings -- by nature and by law, they control sex, and sex is one of the strongest drives in men. So in order to flip the balance of power in favor of the females, society had to be more sexualized -- in effect, what it is doing is taking that sexual power and making it more blatantly exercised by women than was previously the case. That allows more women to capitalize on their inherent sexual power for gain -- whether financial (as is the case here), genetic, personal or what have you. Having sexuality all over the place and in your face is definitely a kind of "girl power" that operates on a very basic, instinctual, biological level.

    There are feminists who are against this on *principle*, but at the same time argue forcefully for female sexual license, and the removal of any social taboos about female sexual license. Well, when you remove societal stigmatization of female sexual license, what you will see is increased activity around areas where sexually licentious females can profit --> prostitution, stripping, porn. All of these have boomed in the last 30 years and show no signs of abatement. It's part and parcel of having "sexually liberated women", because if you remove the taboos about female sexual license, more women will choose to use that license for financial benefit, precisely because it is de-stigmatized.

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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

    Some lap dancers make quite a bit of money.

    In my opinion, though, sexually exploiting oneself is not empowering. I guess some women think that it is.

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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

    Quote Quote from TERA View Post
    Some lap dancers make quite a bit of money.

    In my opinion, though, sexually exploiting oneself is not empowering. I guess some women think that it is.
    Why is it any less empowering than making such a lot of money so easily, by any other means?

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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

    Some lap dancers make quite a bit of money.

    In my opinion, though, sexually exploiting oneself is not empowering. I guess some women think that it is.
    There's no easy way to make money; most means we have, men or women, for earning good money without requiring superb qualifications are odious in some way and will come at a cost to your self. I see very little difference in a woman who is a stripper or lap-dancer and a man who works on a prawning boat, both are exploiting one of their natural qualities (The woman exploits her youth and attractiveness, the man exploits his strength and stamina) though if anything it is women who have the greater freedom. After all it is possible for a woman to condition herself to be able to do hard-labour that is generally considered men's work, but a man cannot enjoy the same benefits in the sexual marketplace which a woman does.

    I'll give you an example Tera; when I was saving to get into the business I'm in now I worked loading docks, stacking trucks, I had several jobs, worked seven days some weeks and up to seventeen hours a day; it was very physical, hard work and there was little time to rest. I have medical issues to this day as a result of the abuse I inflicted on myself over that period, but I consider it to have been worthwhile; now, would you say that what I did was in any way less exploitative of myself than a woman who strips or poses for pornography? She might end up with emotional problems of a similar level of inconvenience to my physical problems, but then again she might not, and she is unlikely to develop any physical problems since the work is not hard physically, and, like my work, she would not be able to do it for long, as strength and stamina for men are as attractiveness for women; products of youth, quickly drained away, yet much as I did, she might use that opportunity to save the money in order that she might come into a more respectable and stable line of work.

    I would call this empowering. For both sexes. For me, it allowed me to become financially secure on a level which many people I know have not reached despite having never been to university or given a decent education. It could do the same for a woman. Creating an opportunity from nothing is empowering, as I see it. Like all things however there are pros and cons to be weighed, there may be better means to your ends; it may not be the ‘way for you’, etc. but it does not mean that it is a bad idea for everyone.

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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

    Men PAY to watch these trollops gyrating. Big 'Tips', too.

    Damned fools. Women's Rules.

    I don't see women paying to watch chaps unload heavy goods at the docks. No women stuffing twenty dollar bills in wharfies' shreddies.
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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

    Of course it's women's rules -- that's quite right.

    What basically happened was that the traditional male source of power (I mean in terms of male/female relationships) -- which was provisioning, and historically based on strength -- came under increasing pressure in the middle of the last century as the economy began to decisively move away from occupations that required physical strength towards ones that were capable of being performed well regardless of physical strength. This economic development made it possible for women to be provisioners as well as men could be (if they were enabled to do so) -- and so women eventually demanded the ability to act as provisioners themselves. This was considered to be "liberating" from the perspective that it freed women from economic dependency on men, in theory. This had a tendency to erode the male role in male/female relationships -- because the protector role was long less important due to state action, and the provisioning role was no longer uniquely male.

    At the same time, however, women retained their own core base of power -- sexual access. The sexual revolution that accompanied feminism (and that had to, really) amplified this core power base by legitimizing female sexual license. So the natural female power over sex became easier to wield by women without social reprobation.

    So in effect what happened was that the core male base of power was diluted and "shared" between men and women, while the core female base of power was retained by women and strengthened in its effect. At the end of the day, when you step back and look at this objectively, this was nothing other than a huge power grab by the female sex at the expense of the male sex, with the female sex not yielding an inch of its own natural advantages. In fact, it's hard to see how female sexual advantage could have been reduced -- our biological science is not there, yet. But the sexual revolution, coupled with things like the enhanced rape laws, sexual harassment laws, the spread of the internet and its use as a way to disseminate female sexual power on a very broad basis -- all of these have augmented female power over sex, already their strong suit, to a level well beyond ever seen in human history -- and of course this all came at the expense of men.

    The best way for men to react to this is to not indulge in it, as Percy suggests. Discipline is a key male virtue in this respect, and it should be exercised when it comes to the more licentious forms of contemporary female sexual behavior, out of respect for our own self-worth, and also as a means to neutralizing the impact of this regrettable wielding of female sexual power and avoid playing into its hands.

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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

    all work sucks. I don't want to work, but I still want to get paid.

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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

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    Men PAY to watch these trollops gyrating. Big 'Tips', too.

    Damned fools. Women's Rules.

    I don't see women paying to watch chaps unload heavy goods at the docks. No women stuffing twenty dollar bills in wharfies' shreddies.
    But women aren't interested in the "grunts" - ie all lower class males. Notice how building sites are now always surrounded by fences so you can't see in properly. Notice how feminism only ever sees the successful, elite men but never the homeless, unemployed or manual workers. Significant numbers of men are, and always have been, invisible to women or, at least, beneath their so-called dignity or perceived entitlement.

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    The best way for men to react to this is to not indulge in it, as Percy suggests. Discipline is a key male virtue in this respect, and it should be exercised when it comes to the more licentious forms of contemporary female sexual behavior, out of respect for our own self-worth, and also as a means to neutralizing the impact of this regrettable wielding of female sexual power and avoid playing into its hands.
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    Re: The advent of trollopism.

    Quote Quote from gwallan View Post
    But women aren't interested in the "grunts" - ie all lower class males. Notice how building sites are now always surrounded by fences so you can't see in properly. Notice how feminism only ever sees the successful, elite men but never the homeless, unemployed or manual workers. Significant numbers of men are, and always have been, invisible to women or, at least, beneath their so-called dignity or perceived entitlement.
    Yep, which is exactly what Moxon talks about in his book.

    Men seem to distribute quite a bit in terms of performance from top to bottom due to competition among men -- thought to be ultimately rooted in wanting to be attractive to women as potential mates. Females don't compete in that sense -- the competition among women relating to mating is based on beauty, which is fixed to a much larger degree than is dominance among men. So what you tend to see is that, in a competitive environment, women have more of a bell curve of performance, with fewer individuals at the top and at the bottom as well, whereas male performance is more distributed -- outperforming women at the top end (which feminism notices and harps on), but also underperforming women at the low end (which feminism chooses to ignore). Moxon's point is that society in general has always been very prejudiced against low status males, and feminism simply institutionalized this existing prejudice in a way.


 

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