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    99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    Saw this quote:

    I asked Dr. Crouch, "How many of the gang members you deal with live with their fathers?"

    Dr. Crouch thought about it for quite a while, turned to me and said, "About 1/2 of one percent."

    With intact families...or Dad's with custody...gangs would nearly vanish?
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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,
    but only misandry--whether from females or from males.
    If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.
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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    Matriarchical society at work.

    Ditch the Dads.

    And the neighborhood becomes unsafe for everyone including the women.

    And the chances of the gang members marrying and raising their kids is roughly what....0.1%?

    Maybe the gang neighborhood single Moms with all the babty-daddies should snuff all the male infants like that tribe does?
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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    Some more information:
    Fort Worth, TXThe City of Fort Worth recently supplied the following data on "Whom gang members live with":
    40 percent mother only
    19 percent grandparent
    15 percent both parents
    14 percent other
    11 percent their own housing
    1 percent father only
    At most, only 16% of gang members live with their fathers, but it's probably far less than that. I strongly suspect that much of the "15 percent both parents" classification includes stepfathers or transitional male figures who happen to be living with the mother at the time. It's quite possible that less than 5% of gang members live with their fathers.

    Also...in some areas 70% of the violence is gang related. Think of the correlation.

    Dads are pretty darn important!

    And we PAY women to ditch them...as in how welfare works or child support...and in many other ways.
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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    Yes fathers are important!

    Some of those absent fathers are absent by choice. What do we do about that?

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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    It's that simple, is it? How do you know they don't love their husbands? How do you even know if they were/are married? How do you know the parents of these street gang kids aren't teens, street people themselves, drug addicted, poor, or have other complicating factors that go into this?

    How do you know whether or not some of the fathers love their "wives" or girlfriends? Why assume it's entirely a woman's fault?

    Just wondering.

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    Quote Quote from Billy View Post
    Why do women assume that when a woman splits from a man he was abusive?
    I don't think women love as strong as a man. From what I've seen looking at those I know, women rarely love anybody but themselves. They antagonize. They refuse to do what is expected because they aren't taught expectations but for the man.

    The bible says "Teach the young women how to love their husbands." This seems to scream that it does not come natural for women.

    The few that I know who do love & respect their husbands were taught to.
    I don't "automatically assume" a man is abusive. Some men are. Some women are. What I'm saying is that there is likely to be at least a few important factors that go into why a relationship breaks down, and why fathers are absent, or mothers choose to be single, and why some kids end up in gangs. It's just too easy to blame only women for this. Women have a part in it every bit as much as men do, but it irks me that you want to assume it's entirely women's fault. I think that's short-sighted. Further, you draw quotes and such from the Bible to support your biases....which is great, for you. it seems to reinforce or perpetuate your perceptions. I'm inclined to look further than the Bible for evidence.

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

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    Yes fathers are important! Some of those absent fathers are absent by choice. What do we do about that?
    That is BY FAR the minority. And in most cases I have looked into...the Mom is saying that. When I later talk to the Dad the story is quite a bit different.

    Most men want to be Dads and see and help raise their kids.
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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    The undisputable correlation between fatherless households and a greater susceptibility to gang membership and criminality, is a key point that is often avoided like the plague by politicians when discussing this issue - lest they endanger the precious female vote to any degree!
    The wicked flee when none pursueth. Proverbs 28:1

    'Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number - Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you - Ye are many - they are few.'

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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    This doesn't shock me.

    I know from *personal experiences* of seeing my own marriage and those of friends and family, it is predominantly the women divorcing the men - statistics on various sites have shown that less than 5% of divorces are for abuse, most are out of boredom. In all the divorces I've seen, the women divorced, not because of abuse*, but because they simple 'moved on' or, more realistically - 'got bored'.

    I'm not saying it's that way for everyone... but when we continually hear from feminists, or feminist sympathisers, only about men abandoning the family, it seems to defy the reality I've lived AND researched.


    *aside from one that 'could be' construed that way, as it's what she claimed. However, I've known the guy years, and although their relationship was 'rocky' (including her throwing an alarm clock at his head, smashing open at contact with his forehead, and then she gloated about it to my ex). He he since remarried, his wife and I get on very well, he has custody of the children and a new baby with his new missus. There are no signs of a rocky relationship and he has chilled out considerably since she left - to become a lesbian.
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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    Quote Quote from Celtic Druid View Post
    The undisputable correlation between fatherless households and a greater susceptibility to gang membership and criminality, is a key point that is often avoided like the plague by politicians when discussing this issue - lest they endanger the precious female vote to any degree!
    This is very true.

    The US government's *own figures* show that there is no or a minimal wage gap between the genders. In many cases women make more. Especially if they are also a minority.

    You have to allow for the difference in choices being taken.
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    My "body" is a vessel for my soul, and in my opinion, my soul, along with my body, I should have control over. I'm no one's property.
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    It irks me to have to explain that which you can't understand, but I'm trying.

    The fact is, if women had no chance to freeload on husbands, gold dig or walk off with his assets then the divorce rates would plumet. You body is your right. My property is my right. When you marry for as long as you live married your body is not yours according to the author of marriage and neither is the husbands property though he has the so say and rights to it because he is the head of the house.

    The bible had the perfect model but you don't understand because you have not asked. Men may have wrote the book but they weren't the author. The day is coming when all things will go to the bibles plan the way it was intended and all will live in harmony for 1000 years. That's probably the only way you will see for yourself and agree it works.

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    This doesn't shock me. I know from *personal experiences* of seeing my own marriage and those of friends and family, it is predominantly the women divorcing the men - statistics on various sites have shown that less than 5% of divorces are for abuse, most are out of boredom. In all the divorces I've seen, the women divorced, not because of abuse*, but because they simple 'moved on' or, more realistically - 'got bored'. I'm not saying it's that way for everyone... but when we continually hear from feminists, or feminist sympathisers, only about men abandoning the family, it seems to defy the reality I've lived AND researched.
    1) Some listing of reasons for divorce have a ranking...on one listing abuse was number 8, on another number 11.

    2) Some surveys have it at number one, like this one: men and women were divided on what they saw as the reasons for their divorces. Women overwhelmingly said they made the decision to divorce because of abuse issues with a response rate of 48 percent

    Can you believe that? 48% of all divorces are because of "abuse".

    Sorry that is definitely not true.
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    This doesn't shock me.

    I know from *personal experiences* of seeing my own marriage and those of friends and family, it is predominantly the women divorcing the men - statistics on various sites have shown that less than 5% of divorces are for abuse, most are out of boredom. In all the divorces I've seen, the women divorced, not because of abuse*, but because they simple 'moved on' or, more realistically - 'got bored'.

    I'm not saying it's that way for everyone... but when we continually hear from feminists, or feminist sympathisers, only about men abandoning the family, it seems to defy the reality I've lived AND researched.


    *aside from one that 'could be' construed that way, as it's what she claimed. However, I've known the guy years, and although their relationship was 'rocky' (including her throwing an alarm clock at his head, smashing open at contact with his forehead, and then she gloated about it to my ex). He he since remarried, his wife and I get on very well, he has custody of the children and a new baby with his new missus. There are no signs of a rocky relationship and he has chilled out considerably since she left - to become a lesbian.
    How about researching how many men leave before a marriage could take place? What are the stats on that, I wonder?

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    Re: 99.5% Of Gang Members Live With Mom, No Dad?

    Oh, in addition - while he was expected to pay several hundreds per month for their three children (while she had custody), she has to pay only 75 per month - for all three... yet rarely does.

    I know this as fact because I've been there when he's had phone calls from them (the C$A) and even read (with permission) some of the letters he's been sent.

    While they chased him like he's a fashion accessory for his money, they seem extremely relaxed about getting the 75 p/m from his ex-wife.
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