In a civilised society where all human beings are considered equal, I should be surprised

The fact that I'm not, and I'm sure this is the case for many others too, should speak volumes

This film portrays a man being raped, yet, as always, the media feminists will inevitablly come up with some sort of defence, i.e. 'He was willing as he wouldn't get an erection otherwise' which, by the way, is untrue, as very little stimulous is needed down there.

I'll bet feminists start saying it was him who raped her, by waffling on with some nonesense about his 'phallus pulling her towards his torso by his never-ending patriachal power' :roll:

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In a civilised society where all human beings are considered equal, I should be surprised.
The fact that I'm not, and I'm sure this is the case for many others too, should speak volumes

should & should, yes...should.

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This film portrays a man being raped, yet, as always, the media feminists will inevitablly come up with some sort of defence, i.e. 'He was willing as he wouldn't get an erection otherwise' which, by the way, is untrue, as very little stimulous is needed down there.

Just in case you've not seen it, the act was portrayed with his hands tied up to the head of his bed, so his arms were stretched out, making a Y shape. Granted, little stimuli is needed for most men, especially a man who's abstained for moments shy of 960 hours; no kissing, no touching, no jerking, no sex, no nothing... He is sleeping, dreaming of endless boobies. As he awakens, he sees flashes of cleavage and then he opens his eyes fully and see his ex straddling him, saying to the effect of: "it's ok now, it's all over...(she looks at the clock seeing it's a few moments to midnight) Oh, were you expecting someone soon?". Shortyly after, his current g/f walks in and realises the general flow of the situation. Hurt and upset, she walks off without explanation (though, it would be difficult to explain your way out of that one, eh).

[smilie=to funny.gi:

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I'll bet feminists start saying it was him who raped her, by waffling on with some nonesense about his 'phallus pulling her towards his torso by his never-ending patriachal power' :roll:

Yes, i can imagine they'll conjure some super-natural power of the penis that can use powers beyond normality to drag a woman into bouncing her way all over him while he is unconscience.... Perhaps we should ask makehimpay.net for ideas on how his g/f can exact revenge upon him for his evil act of being raped?

You hit the nail on the head there Karl 8)

Just a thought, I wonder if that film was criticised at all, and, if so by whom?

I would imagine the Hollywood elite accompanied by women's suffrage supporters and a whole host of other deluded dimwits would tie themselves to trees with big placards reading 'make love not misogyny' if there was any hint of such portrayals against a woman

A little off the topic but, have you ever noticed, that when typing in the word 'misandry', Microsoft Word scribbles its red line underneath and won't recognise it, yet 'misogyny' is readily recognised

Feminism has got to our computers, Bill Gates should get those specs of his wiped :smt119

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You hit the nail on the head there Karl 8)

Thankies

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A little off the topic but, have you ever noticed, that when typing in the word 'misandry', Microsoft Word scribbles its red line underneath and won't recognise it, yet 'misogyny' is readily recognised

Yes I noticed that a while back, and ensured i selected, right-clicked, and selected the 'add word' option in the mini-menu.

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A very fitting ending. No matter what a man tries to do, no matter the nobility of his purpose, there will always be a woman who will wreck it. She will hurt him. He will hurt another woman. Why? Sheer spite.

OH give over, this is not typical of EVERY woman, and you dang well know that, NOT EVERY woman is out to ruin men and make them look jerks and ruin everything for them, including what men have made.....

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OH give over, this is not typical of EVERY woman, and you dang well know that, NOT EVERY woman is out to ruin men and make them look jerks and ruin everything for them, including what men have made.....

I have to agree with fairdame on this point, it's not typical behaviour of women to do something like that in sheer spite, just as it is not typical of men to do the same.
The problem is that the minority of men do things that are less than noble (rape, abuse, etc.), and the entire male-population is presumed capable AND guilty of those who represent this minority. However, there is also a minority of women who are equally spiteful & malicious (child abuse, character assasination, etc) but they do not represent the norm either in films/movies, sitcoms, or printed media such as books or newspapers.
And that was really the point of my post, that this film - good as it was for the most part - portrayed the rape of a man as being nothing to worry about. Had the sexes been reversed, we'd have an entire 20 minutes minimum spent reflecting the implications it had on her life and career and wellbeing and so on and so on... but hey, it was only a bloke - surely he enjoyed it, right? :roll:

OH give over, this is not typical of EVERY woman, and you dang well know that, NOT EVERY woman is out to ruin men and make them look jerks and ruin everything for them, including what men have made.....

Absolutely agree!
But the deciding factor is how the woman feels. Understanding women understand men who understand them. Understanding men have an obligation to make themselves understood to women(in their terms) in order to be credible and deserving of understanding. Either way, the ball's in the woman's court - the 'right-to spite' is not easily surrendered.
Few men take the trouble to really understand women, they just think that giving them what they want is the answer. Even fewer women attempt to understand men. Why should they bother? They have rights.
God bless understanding women! Their rarity increases their value.

Just a question: is fairdame really the wife of Karl??

If so, what is your take on feminism/masclunism?

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Just a question: is fairdame really the wife of Karl??

Yeps, we're really married...

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If so, what is your take on feminism/masclunism?

I'll let her answer it herself, assuming she sees this post.

I didn't see the whole movie, but I saw that scene. It was awful.

But I did think it portrayed the ex-girlfriend as a selfish, conniving bitch who just couldn't be happy thinking he was with another woman.

I've heard that story before.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/40_days_and_40_nights/

I looked through IMDB for some reviews that mentioned the rape scene, most of them didn't, but here are a few that did:

I could go on in that vein for hours, but what REALLY made me almost walk out on this film is the fact that Matt, the hero, is RAPED by is ex-girlfriend in the final minutes of the movie. Did nobody at the studio recognize that act for what it is? If the gender roles were reversed in that scene, it would have totally changed the mood and content of the film. As it was, I kept waiting for Matt, or ANYBODY, to call the police. Instead, movie goers get a happy ending where Matt's new girlfriend finally FORGIVES HIM FOR BEING RAPED. Hooray for Hollywood.

I guess it's not even safe to go to romantic comedies anymore. Sigh.

(what follows is a spoiler, but I recommend you read it before seeing the movie) And then comes the rape scene.

Thank you to all the other comments posted acknowledging that rape is bad. Having non-consentual sex with a bound, drunk, delirious ex-lover? This is what passes as OK in Hollywood these days? The worst part is the fact that not only is the fact that it was rape never mentioned in the rest of the movie, but the victim is held responsible! I actually signed up for an IMDb account JUST to condemn this film. I'm sickened by having watched that filth.

...In a movie that is intended to be a dot-com, light-hearted romp I was surprised to see a casual treatment of male rape. There is no question that in one scene a man is incapacitated and forced to have sex against his will. I found this extremely disturbing and it turned the entire movie around making it extremely unpalatable rather than risque...

Now, if a woman was handcuffed to a bed and sleeping and somewhat delirious and her ex-boyfriend showed up and had sex with her, when she is clearly in no position to give consent, few people would hesitate to label that as rape, and it certainly would not go without mention and condemnation in the film. Yet Nicole rapes Matt, and the only issue that seems to arise is how he screwed up. Excuse me? Granted, blaming the rape victim is not a new concept, but one would hope in this day and age it doesn't find its way into films, at least not without suitable counter statements being made. Male rape is a serious issue that is rarely dealt with as such, and movies like this tend to reinforce the erroneous belief that male rape doesn't exist, except in prison, or Deliverance. Maybe we shouldn't expect this movie to have any great social impact, challenge the views of the establishment, but acknowledgement that SOMETHING wrong had happened (other than Matt "screwing up") would have been nice.

What appalled me the most about this was that there was a rape scene that was never acknowledged as such. It amazed me that Hollywood put it in but never addressed it. It was an opportunity to make an extremely intelligent statement about females raping males - and they didn't acknowledge it for what it was! The rape scene was clearly rape - she had sex with him without his consent - and she did for reasons associated with POWER. It could have been a great sick joke. Instead - it was ignored and the main character was made to feel like HE did something wrong.

In ten pages, there were probably about 8 reviews that mentioned that it was a rape scene, including the 5 listed above.

The general masses have been indoctrinated for decades with the feminist notion that rape only involves penetration. This sexist absurdity is in need of a socially aware update.

I've mentioned before on various other forums that rape can be perpetrated by "engulfment." Basically the penis and the vagina are two integrating parts, the penis can penetrate, the vagina can engulf. Therefore if a woman encroaches on a mans space and positions herself over a stationary and/or incapacitated male without his consent, and then proceeds to engulf his penis with her vagina - she is commiting the act of rape.

Furthermore, as some have mentioned, the penis requires little stimuli and to argue that because the male has achieved an erection is a form of 'unspoken consent.' No, it is not, just as a woman being (genuinely) raped becoming wet and stimulated is not a form of consent.

So for all MRAs and other sane persons, spread the concept of "engulfment" as a legitimate definition of female rape on men.

I would just like to start out by saying, that when I saw the end of this movie I was sick. I could not believe that the rape was never addressed. My boyfriend and I were disgusted and it ruined the film for both of us. I have seen webcites that say that it was purposly written that way to point out the gender inequality in situations of rape, however I find is socially irresponsible to show rape scenes in a move, play them off as a joke, and not say ANYTHING about it after. It smacks of complacency.

That said, I take umbrage with the comment that women do not need sex as much or as often as men do. I think that that is a dangerous sterotype that harms the whole idea that men can be and are raped and otherwise victimized by women as well as other men. Also, (and I understand that this is a forum for men so I will not and do not intend to get on a soapbox), I would like to point out that if this were true places like Priscilla McCalls and other "adult novelty" shops would be a lot fewer and farther between. I used to work in one of those stores and I can tell you that 90% of the non-dvd merchandise is marketed toward women. Also at least 50% of the sales (outside of lingeree) was from female customers buying devices to pleasure themselves. And lastly, as a women, I can tell you that I have no shortage of sexual appitite, even when compared to my 22 year old male, downstairs neighbor who has a different women over nightly. I am just not as lucky as he is.

A society that says a that a strong sexual appitite in women is abnormal and unhealthy is akin to a society that tells men that sharing their feelings and being sensitive is abnormal and unhealthy.

I would love to see a movement that creates room for men to come forward as victims of abuse, supported by an entire community.

I am going to bookmark this blog. It's fantastic that we live in a time where these issues are given serious space and I thank the creators for making it happen.