TEDxLSE - Glen Poole - A New Gender Agenda
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TEDxLSE - Glen Poole - A New Gender Agenda
Glen Poole is a radical voice in the world of gender equality campaigning on issues like fathers' rights, men's health inequalities, male suicide, boys' educational underachievement, male role models and men and boys' personal safety.
He first came to prominence as PR Director of Fathers 4 Justice and was described by the group's founder as "the most impressive campaigner" he'd
ever met.
Glen is now the UK co-ordinator of International Men's Day and Strategic Director of The Men's Network, a dynamic social project based in Brighton
& Hove that hosted the UK's First National Conference for Men and Boys in 2011.
About TEDx, x = independently organized event:
In the spirit of ideas worth spreading, TEDx is a program of local, self-organized events that bring people together to share a TED-like experience. At a TEDx event, TEDTalks video and live speakers combine to spark deep discussion and connection in a small group. These local, self-organized events are branded TEDx, where x = independently organized TED event. The TED Conference provides general guidance for the TEDx program, but individual TEDx events are self-organized.* (*Subject to certain rules and regulations).
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Re: TEDxLSE - Glen Poole - A New Gender Agenda
A fantastic presentation, Glen. I liked the 'top trumps' analogy used, very good indeed.
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Wife : "I dreamt they were auctioning off dicks. The big ones went for ten dollars and the thick ones went for twenty dollars."
Husband : "How about the ones like mine?"
Wife : "Those they gave away."
Husband : "I had a dream too...I dreamt they were auctioning off pussy. The pretty ones went for a thousand dollars, and the little tight ones went for two thousand."
Wife : "And how much for the ones like mine?"
Husband : "That's where they held the auction."
- 9th-August-2012 #3
Very interesting. Glen is a good advocate of positive thinking on men's issues on a par with his US namesake, Glenn Sacks.
My only criticism is that Glen shies away from the causes of men's inequality in the developed world.
When there are global disparities of (say) wealth between nations we analyze the causes in minute detail. Lack of resources, corrupt governnment, natural disasters etc etc.
When it comes to gender inequality, and Glen describes men's problems very succintly, we wring our hands in anguish and put it down to modern social trends. Behind every "social trend" there's a whole lot of real people pushing and shoving for their own advantage.
In rich western countries, there's just no excuse for the poor quality of life that many men must endure.
Perhaps Glen understands the reasons very well but is keeping his head down because he doesn't want to risk either alienating his audience or bringing the wrath of feminists down on his head. It may well be that he's 'boxing clever', in terms of what is currently politically acceptable. If so, he should be given the benefit of the doubt and applauded for what he's doing.
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I believe, rightly or wrongly, Glen is trying to simply retain people's attention, for now, by not having them huff off in a hurry. As feminism currently is seen as a politically correct movement, people associate with it positively... despite the glaringly obvious misandry promoted or at least endorsed by most feminists.
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!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!
It doesn't even seem necessary for me to comment on or try to review the content of this moving video, which is superb, and groundbreaking, and courageous, and humane, and I'm running out of words. Doesn't happen often with me, as my faithful here know.
What I do want to talk about is the audience. I could hear them sort of clapping at the beginning and the end, so there's some evidence they were alive and the mikes were working. But, here is a gifted presenter, easygoing, comical, motivated, using anecdotes, statistics, jokes, testimonial, analysis, all with effortless delivery and utterly welcoming to wide diversity in his audience.
And they sat there in silence like a chamber music recital.
With the right billing, introduction, lighting, drinks at tables, and people with a pulse above 65bpm, this precise same presentation could be done before five thousand people, except he'd have to pause constantly for the applause and raucous laughter. This is not only a world-class entry as an activist presentation, it is just plain entertaining. The guy knows how to own that stage.
And these people just sat there. Moment after moment went cricket-chirping by when I was expecting at least a clap or laugh or two.
Through my laptop I could almost smell the fear in the room. Of the girlfriend or wife sitting next to the men, and knowing all too well what the drive home will be like if one of them thinks something is funny or moving and she doesn't. Humor is a minefield between men and women, and clearly the rules of engagement over what is and is not funny were well established before Glen ever booked the appearance.
And the real beauty was, he knew it. A public speaker's worst nightmare is a catatonic audience, and clearly Glen has faced this before, and his rhythm and timing and physicality said to his audience that they didn't know what they were missing. I have never seen a presenter so at home with his material in such a funereal setting.
That, my friends, is courage.
So, from me to you, sir: ROFLMAO and a standing "O". You earn them.Last edited by Rof L Mao Esq; 9th-August-2012 at 07:55 PM.
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Glen has agreed for AM to reproduce any work he has done from the Men's Network.. So, we'll be seeing more of his input in the near future
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Wife : "I dreamt they were auctioning off dicks. The big ones went for ten dollars and the thick ones went for twenty dollars."
Husband : "How about the ones like mine?"
Wife : "Those they gave away."
Husband : "I had a dream too...I dreamt they were auctioning off pussy. The pretty ones went for a thousand dollars, and the little tight ones went for two thousand."
Wife : "And how much for the ones like mine?"
Husband : "That's where they held the auction."
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Re: TEDxLSE - Glen Poole - A New Gender Agenda
I have had an epiphany.
Men's rights and issues are a broad realm, and objectives are hard to define.
What I want to see soon is a world where it's safe to laugh again.skype: techno.skept
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Did you expect Jerry Springer as a born-again MRA? Just because the audience was silent it doesn't mean they weren't thinking. They were definitely not catatonic - just pensive. ]It doesn't even seem necessary for me to comment on or try to review the content of this moving video, which is superb, and groundbreaking, and courageous, and humane, and I'm running out of words. Doesn't happen often with me, as my faithful here know.
What I do want to talk about is the audience. I could hear them sort of clapping at the beginning and the end, so there's some evidence they were alive and the mikes were working. But, here is a gifted presenter, easygoing, comical, motivated, using anecdotes, statistics, jokes, testimonial, analysis, all with effortless delivery and utterly welcoming to wide diversity in his audience. And they sat there in silence like a chamber music recital
Cultural disparity here. Leave the whooping, screaming and hollering to Jerry and Oprah. British auidiences are more reserved.
Thanks to Percy for this.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ju1QhGDDwo
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Re: TEDxLSE - Glen Poole - A New Gender Agenda
Maybe the audience was British but the guy on stage was English.
Nice to hear something other than that aristocratic, Oxford-sounding BBC accent so favored by recent emigres with college educations. I got the feeling that attending the event must have been more socially and academically important than actually paying any attention to the content other than to filter it through the usual academic sieve that allows politically incorrect messages to go unregistered in the brain.
It reminded me of seeing the Wynton Marsalis Septet at the opera house in Santa Fe. Seven black guys from New Orleans playing suave and urbane music you'd have to be half-dead not to get stirred up by, and the champagne-drinking yuppie professionals were snoozing in their seats, as if being seen there as evidence that they could afford the ticket (a day's pay for me, and now my date is the mother of my daughter, so a big deal, NTM I love jazz) actually meant more to them than the Monk and Bird and Miles that were just sizzling off the stage.
Whether politics or economics or both place one in a class, there are class rules, and men arguing eloquently for "all of us together, men and women, against inequality", under the rules one would expect among a TED audience, are definitely not funny.skype: techno.skept
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Softly softly catchy monkey.
Great work, a very polished performance.
Just one complaint ............. you done stole my analogy
I'll expect my royalty check soon
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
- 10th-August-2012 #12
He doesnt say much about how he intends to achieve "gender equality"..
Which in itself is not ever achievable.. I tend to switch off as soon as anyone mentions "equality" because its so niave.. And even if it sounds good, you can't change the nature of human beings so easily.
There are far greater "inequalities" at play in society when it comes to the haves and have nots..
Another MRA who seems to think the job of the MRM is to finish off what the feminists started..
I don't think they have any answers that add up though when it comes to how he is going to create an hermophradite nation..
Men are still men, and women are still women.. They don't WANT to be the same and in many regards it is not even a good idea to try and artificially coerce or incentivise them into such positions.. All those statistics mean fuck all really, there are reasons behind them, and reasons behind those reasons too..
And most things, cant be changed without causing a greater problem somewhere else along the matrix..
We are sufferring from the effects of the state using feminist principles, trying to correct that by more lefty "Eek quality" BS is just going to make mice of men, infantilised Shitizens of us all, and most things much worse, the best thing to do is remove the perverse state interference and allow the sexes to find their natural, self-determined level..
How the fuck folks can talk about "gender equality" when its bloody obvious the greatest inequality that has the greatest affect on everyones life is the vast differences between the disposible incomes of the "haves" and the "have nots"..
And that is not even looking at the other vast inequality of life, one that we cant really do much about anyway..
Some people are born with great dna that gives them brains, good looks and much more abilities..
Others are born with no aces in their pack.. Usually to parents (or one parent) of similar type..
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Wow, what is a 'TED' presentation.
Before I heard what this fellow had to say, I was littered with a three letter anagram, which invoked my healthy scepticism.
Is the fellow an opportunist? He speaks for everybody, but doesn't really stand for anything. He talks about concepts but doesn't provide answers.
A likable chap who has more to say.The wicked flee when none pursueth. Proverbs 28:1
'Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number - Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you - Ye are many - they are few.'
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I am always as open minded as I am hyper-critical.. A well known MRA once said he is wary of any groups or individuals that suddenly appear and look very slick and organised.. But the ground up approach doesnt seem to be capable of attracting much good attention, or even getting started.. F4J failed in the objectives that Matt was aiming for. The reasons for that can be debated forever, but I think it was not an impossible goal and could have succeeded if there was the numbers of workers and supporters needed to achieve it and a better strategy to make this realistic..
Then, there is always the big problem "be careful what you ask for, you might just get exactly that.. Then you will realise it ain't that good and the new problems it brings up could bury you!"..
Added after 23 minutes:
All well and good.. Until the point comes that one tries to encroach onto the "sacred turf" of the feminists, that being, that turf they HAD before feminists started to demand "equality".. You know, the things that women had MOST OF THE POWER IN.. Such as child raising, being given clean comfy jobs while men are expected to do the dangerous and dirty stuff.. etc..
As soon as MRA's or other campaigners start to go there, they will find themselves bashed badly and subjected to hate campaigns from the femifilth..
Sucking up to feminists in order to get a platform to speak on where you dont get booed.. Lasts only as long as you keep doing that sucking up..
Look at F4J as a classic example of what happens when one tries to encroach on the holy turf of the matriarchy..
You can appease and congratulate the feminists campaigners for equality forever as an MRA, but the moment you start to demand the same for men.. It doesnt work, because it was never intended to be anything other than a one-way deal..
Equality is a lefty social engineering myth, it never works out because it goes against human nature too much.. Indeed, clashes with the desires of every human being to "be the best they can be"..
Sportsmen and women do not compete in the olympic games to all cross the line at the same time do they?
If they wanted to do that, all they need do is walk hand in hand and make no effort to win..
And that is where equality always finds its common level..
Lowest and most common denominator..Last edited by felixblue; 10th-August-2012 at 07:54 PM. Reason: content auto merged
"Women...
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They are so willing to respect other men but the man they make love to and is the father of their children –no way. They try to control him, criticize him,,, " Courtney www.womenlivingwell.org
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There is something rather disturbing to me about folks who speak of themselves in the 3rd person..
Felixblue often hears voices speaking of him in the 3rd person, and perhaps has a natural empathy for fellow sufferers of this condition..
Or as a woman once told me "self praise is no praise!"..
"Women...
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They are so willing to respect other men but the man they make love to and is the father of their children –no way. They try to control him, criticize him,,, " Courtney www.womenlivingwell.org
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