Where's this from?

You're right to be suspicious Marx.

The Sun, for Chrissakes?

Want to send him a response along the lines of "we are profoundly skeptical of mangina journalists?"

It could be genuine research or it could be a would-be infiltrator.

As the board grows I suspect we'll get more and more of it.

The mail was sent to me from mebers of FASSIT. ( Layton).

I have sent "Grant" an email regarding other issues, so will inform you of any reply, hopefully put our minds at rest.

I and others with functioning brains still operating on the fringes of the fathers groups are of the Opinion that the ladies in FASSIT are more likely to engage in radical actions against the state oppressors than the pussy-whipped mangina destractors who seem to dominate the so-called mens groups..

The media are controlled by the feminists..

Now is that directed personnaly??

Well since I "have a functioning brain", and although I am on the most extreme outer, outer fringes of activism, I thought this was a forum, a discussion board, a means of debate.

That is why I posted the topic. When my brain "does" stop functioning, and when I become a fully fledged, inner circle of activism activist, then I will end posting any topic which may raise a debate!!!!!!!!

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Now is that directed personnaly??

Well since I "have a functioning brain", and although I am on the most extreme outer, outer fringes of activism, I thought this was a forum, a discussion board, a means of debate.

That is why I posted the topic. When my brain "does" stop functioning, and when I become a fully fledged, inner circle of activism activist, then I will end posting any topic which may raise a debate!!!!!!!!

What?

No its nothing personal, i dont even know who you are.. I hope you are doing well and I wont say anymore because hey, whats the point?

Drex,

Hey don`t take offence, none intended. It`s just my humour. Sorry if it struck you wrong. I enjoy reading your posts.

I`m a 32 year old living in Belfast, NI. Trying my hardest to get some activism going over here. My new venture can be found at http://peterffjnidatoc.spaces.live.com/

Hope to read more of your posts and maybe get chattin some time.

Pete

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Drex,

Hey don`t take offence, none intended. It`s just my humour. Sorry if it struck you wrong. I enjoy reading your posts.

I`m a 32 year old living in Belfast, NI. Trying my hardest to get some activism going over here. My new venture can be found at http://peterffjnidatoc.spaces.live.com/

Hope to read more of your posts and maybe get chattin some time.

Pete

No worries, there are some good guys in rf4j and f4j, its just a shame that they cant break through decades of feminist brainwashing and out of that "we are the good dads, the OTHERS are the bad dads.." nonsense..

Looks like some statist mangina has been playing the "bash absent fathers" card on the area of your site reserved for naming and shaming access deniers..

Hey Pete,
I just wanted to add a little to your space.
I wholeheartedly agree that fathers deserve the right to see their children and should never be denied access. The importance of maintaining a good relationship with both parents is paramount to a childs development, regardless of the circumstances of the parents split. I believe the fact that many children are being denied the opportuntity to see both their parents is one of the reasons why we have such anti social behaviour in this country and hordes of kids walking around britains street with nothing but mindless violence and destruction on their minds.
But I do also agree that the fathers who refuse to pay maintainance should be named and shamed. Not that I think it will make the blindest bit of difference the the mothers who have struggled to raise their children without the financial support of the father, but it would be an opportunity to see who these bastards are.
I speak as a man who married a woman with children from a previous marriage, children who's father lied constantly to the CSA about his financial situation in order to pay the minimum amount and even then, didn't even bother to pay it. A man who rang his kids when the pressure was on by the CSA, and asked them to deny he was their father. All the while, another man is supporting them financially and all the while, access was never denied to his kids.
Naming and shaming, in my opinion doesn't go nearly far enough. There has been talk of tagging, banning of driving and even taking money directly from wages but none ever happens. There are three sets of victims when a father refuses to pay up, the mother, the kids and any new person who comes into their lives and it is completely wrong. It is about time things changed.
Fathers4justice is a worthwhile cause that needs attention bringing to it. If a decent man who's relationship has broken down but is still contributing financially for the child or children, no court in the land should be able to stop a fathers rights to see his kids.
I know the CSA are accountable for some of this mess, like many other government agencies it is a total shambles, but they have a duty to get money from absent fathers just as much as an absent father has a duty to provide for his kids.
But agree or disagree with me, my final thought is if a father does not pay, why should they have access to their kids?
Take care
Pete

Thats the sort of ignorant attitude that makes my piss boil, and is sadly endemic even in the mens groups..

I was reading your above post, Drex, which you hadn't used the quote tags with - and so, I mistakenly thought those were your own words. I was about to ask you who's side you were on... until I got to the end and realised you were quoting from another site.

Thus, I've amended your post accordingly.

Thanks.. I put the quote in "quotes".. Dont think that was the best way! The guy who is linked on that quote looks strangely familiar.. i am sure I have seen his smiling face making up numbers in some f4j meet or whatever..

Why do men like that fail to realise that they are firmly on the side of the enemy?

These step-father types who bear a grudge to the real daddy and refuse to realise that they are potentially very much part of the problem are by far the biggest problem that we have to deal with..

A bit of "education" would not go amisss!!

30 years of the feminist state telling all men that being a dad is nothing more than a financial thing and that if a dad is rendered penniless he must be prevented from being a dad..

Youd think men would pull their heads out of the pussy they hide up and start to think for themselves..

I agree Drex. My partner had two kids before we set up together, but it doesn`t change my views. What we need is a live action along the lines of the Honor Network. HN is a great site, bringing groups into one space. If we could do this in reality, and join together as one instead of hundreds of different groupings, then maybe, just maybe we would be recognised as a force to be reckoned.

Don`t think it will happen, considering a lot of groups were formed from splits of other groups.

It's almost ironic that you'd bring that up, pete. LoL

And why is that Marx???!!!!!

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What we need is a live action along the lines of the Honor Network. HN is a great site, bringing groups into one space. If we could do this in reality, and join together as one instead of hundreds of different groupings, then maybe, just maybe we would be recognised as a force to be reckoned.

Yes that's a good idea. It will take time to create such collaboration among the various MR groups. It would be useful to have i.e. a annual Men's Rights conference or some kind of council where MR groups can be members of and such. This would create more interaction, cooperation, coordination etc.