marx:

I do. You know I do. In fact, you are the very perfect proof that I do precisely what you're suggesting here. How many times have I called you up or took calls from you in the dead of night? How many times have you & I fallen out only to laugh it off a few days/weeks later? How many times... While others were bashing you and stomping their feet about not being on AM if you were allowed to continue your mad-rantings, I stood up for you... but you wouldn't know about that.

Haha! Yes, we seem to have similar nocturnalist tendancies.. Let me just make it clear though that I am not the sort of person who would wake someone up and our late night communications are respectfully timed and arranged in advance via messaging on PM or other internet media when we are "online".. These sort of communications standards, showing respect to timings and availability and ability to deal with the issues, are essential in my view, sadly, not all MRA's are so considerate in the way they communicate..

Of course, it is clear that you must be under much pressure to have the crazy one removed, I can see it.. Why do you think I stick around here? A webmaster who doesn't bow to the demands that folk be silenced, because THEY say he/she is a bad un, is worth a lot, to me and every fair minded and decent person..

I have been banned from every group, even all the f4j activist groups I have been in, they don't like what I say... Only FnF have never banned me.. They want me to partake in their stuff.. I tell them to STUFF IT.. Why does the most moderate of all fathers groups want my input, when the "harder" activist groups in many ways detest my anarchic libertarian rantings? Good question eh?

You seem to have the wisdom to recognise (unlike the other webmasters who are in my opinion softies) that my writing is more "food for thought" and not to be taken THAT seriously.. And more to the point, it is often popular, more popular with the "type" of folk that would not otherwise be keen on the cause.. Like Mr J Arthur who was posting here recently, I offer a perspective that is worth considering, at least?

I have always said, I post online for 3 reasons:-

"To inform, educate and entertain.." Not in any particular order of priorities..

Those brothers who see the value of those around them, and deal with them in a way to include their value, are of great value.. Those who seek to hack limbs off the tree they want to grow, in the belief that they are treating some disease, will lose whatever fruit those limbs can some day bear..

Andyman

What is important that we start to come together under one identity with one message--at least in the anglosphere where we share the same language, and mostly same culture (well close enough anyway).

You have been "in the mrm" for a relatively short period of time.

In common with most folks who "come in" and are enthusiastic, you are going through phases of enlightenment, and part of this process is considering a variety of approaches, and perhaps rejecting some..

There will be now and then "tempering" phases where you realise that this drive you have to get the job done ASAP is sometimes like an out of control bulldozer, that seeks to go in one direction, in a single minded fashion, but sometimes "not too delicately"..

Every "newbie" wants to see a great big organisation, already set up to give them what they seek, tools, methods, phrasebooks, education, everything..

But, the MRM is not such an organistion, and attempts to create such have historically failed over and over..

There is no "one size fits all" solution..

How many times have I heard "we need to all be singing from the same hymn sheet"..

No.

We dont.

Would it be good if we were?

Yes.

But just try and get that to happen..

It doesnt..

There are statist MRM's, libertarian MRA's, Lefties, Righties, religious nuts, aetheists, rich, poor, fathers, non fathers, celibates, shaghappy PUA's.. Married, single, gay, straight, bent, twisted, sane, insane..

There are women, men, even perhaps kids.. Young, old..

Even feminists..

Every flavour of person comes in to the "rag bag alliance"..

What turns on Jack, might turn off Jill.. Or John, or Quentin, or whoever..

The only common ground, perhaps, is the hatred of misandry..

The answers to the eternal problems?

They differ, there are many ways..

BUT..

Those that can work together, and progress things, will probably best "best suited" to be able to grow and get support, and deal with the work, as they have the staff..

The men, women and affected MRA's.. Do not need to all work under the same banner, in fact, F4J showed how easy it is for the state and the enemies to lop the head off a threat and disable it, no matter how large its memberbase..

Having a multitude of groups and "cells" makes this very difficult..

The need to "rally" for a common theme is rare..

But when it comes, we SHOULD do this..

This postering idea..

Its for THE CAUSE..

Not for AVFM, or AM, or any group..

But, for sure, the message MUST BE RIGHT to get the right responses..

And the group that is LINKED from the posters, must be equipped and able to deal with THE RESPONSES from the public..

Hmm.. TFB recognised this too didnt he?

What group has the resources to deal with a sudden influx of "keen newbies?"..

Will they SEND THESE NEWBIES DOWN THE BEST ROAD when they get them?

OR will they just tell them to read 2000 MRM publications, watch 2000 hours of utube videos.?

And then, when they have been "educated", wait for them to.. Pull the blanket over their face and die?

MY biggest criticism of the online MRM is that it is about clogging up folks time, filling their heads with monstrously time consuming "education", almost like a "holding pound" for misandry victims..

Folks get trapped in a closed loop for many years, till they tire of it or get better personal circumstances..

Passive keyboarding and reading changes nothing in the grander scheme of things, the world evolves around them..

Putting up posters, meeting in real life, doing stuff that hits the enemies, persuades the public to change their thoughts, is good activism work and people who do this BREAK out of the closed online loop and should be supported as they can be noted as bringing the Mainstream Media attention to the cause much better than places on the web that just sit there waiting for someone to find them..

Anyway, you guys are doing good stuff, so keep up the good work and help each other when you can..

If you can't help each other for whatever reasons, a "not for me thanks" should be accepted with good grace..

No need for escalation of minor disagreements that almost invariably come from poor understandings of each others positions, and communications..

It is amazing how folks conceptions of what is what change over time..

Some MRA's insist on agreements in writing, with everything laid down before they start to work together, so when things change, or seem to.. They can go back and check it out..

This is not a bad idea..

Note to CD.. You are one of the guys who has stuck around here for aeons and it is notable that you are perhaps the most stabilising influences around, and Floatyboaty also has this effect, though he is a new chap..

Let not good work be undone or forgotten because of a tendancy at times to get a bit overheated about things.. Focus on what THE CAUSE needs, not what each individual wants, or even which website or person gets "the glory"..

Because, well, with the glory, comes a lot of shit anyway!

Is that your kitty felix?

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Is that your kitty felix?

aye.. twas my tomcat.. Till he got splatted in the road..

Sorry to hear about that.

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Note to CD.. You are one of the guys who has stuck around here for aeons and it is notable that you are perhaps the most stabilising influences around, and Floatyboaty also has this effect, though he is a new chap..

It's appreciated you mentioning that buddy. Maybe I'm just a stubborn sort?

And you too have provided an interesting and productive input over the same time period, despite our minor disagreements along the way.

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I wouldn't worry about that too much. All the thousands of cameras in London on 7/7/2005 failed to catch a single identifiable picture of three of the four accused bombers, so it seems the chance of being spotted is minimal.

That's because it wasn't perpetrated by whom the general public were mislead to believe. These are the people that gunned down a Brazilian electrician because he didn't speak English. There is a reason why there is a lack of credible evidence. No-one cares though, some innocent will be accused, locked up in GITMO and tortured, perhaps a university student using google, how dare he! You gotta love western liberty!

Funnily enough, public support and demonstrations against allied efforts and world policing were gaining momentum in the few years after 9/11. Isn't it convenient 7/7 happened just when it did? What good timing bombings happened in NATO countries where public opinion was wavering, yet increased devotion of cannon fodder was needed. Why? To massacre over 100,000 innocent civilians, taking their kids to school or going to church, that we were supposed to be "liberating"?

Just as convenient as the excuses behind 9/11, the advanced warning, the destruction of foreign trade economies and our disgust at a leader of a country who wanted a fairer deal and was discussing trading oil in Euros, which would screw up the petro dollar.

NB: Guys, please stop arguing. I'm sure you're all decent men and we should be united, instead of continuing arguments in later threads.

F4J did a great job targeting family courts and the law industry etc and as such most people are now aware of their misandry. If you want to target specific sectors and organisations then I'd suggest going after the ones who've remained under the radar until now. There are a great many sexist charities out there for a start - Women's Aid, the NSPCC, Cancer Research, Barnardos. Right now it would be fantastic to place some posters in the proximity of the offices of certain airlines.

Also there are many important issues becoming increasing prominent. I'd love to see some protests, leafleting and posters near to any hospitals carrying out genital mutilation of children without their consent.

It's also possible to do a form of "online postering" - i.e swamping any of these organisation's blogs, youtube channels, and Facebook pages with comments.

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It's also possible to do a form of "online postering" - i.e swamping any of these organisation's blogs, youtube channels, and Facebook pages with comments.

Commonly known in the trade as a total waste of time.. Your other ideas sounded good though!

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Commonly known in the trade as a total waste of time.. Your other ideas sounded good though!

Well I agree that Facebook is probably a waste of time, but we've had a huge success simply by targeting youtube channels before.

success in what way?

I'll happily do the printing of the poster from my comp half decent printer

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I'll happily do the printing of the poster from my comp half decent printer

Now that's the sort of positive attitude and spirit we need!

One chap pipes up "what can I do?" another states, "well, I can do xy and z," and before you know it, a revolution is born!

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Now that's the sort of positive attitude and spirit we need!

One chap pipes up "what can I do?" another states, "well, I can do xy and z," and before you know it, a revolution is born!

I was always told I was a cause without a rebel

I'm away for a few days from tomorrow so let me know if you want me to do any printing also I'm going to start writing letters to my local mp and councillors when I get back, starting with race for life.

So if we have anyone here with a reasonable capacity for drawing up poster designs on a computer and anyone else who knows how/where to print A4 on the cheap...?

I could help with this a bit. I will need a bit of help with UK specific issues being in Canada. There are some generic issues that affect us all that I can do but, I think your hardest hitting ideas will have to come from people intimately involved in turning back UK specific misandry.

If posters are A4 size we don't necessarily have to fly-post them - there are lots of public places we can put them - like libraries, community centers....