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I see Haahoo has enough men and women who have joined his activist group.

So wonderful leader, what do you want from us.

Is it a woman or man in the media you want challenged?

Is it a politician?

C'mon, let's play. It is not like we have all had the same focus before.

Name you game! (target that is)

Once one is down we can take down another. Who is the first target?

We are grouping together in the activist forum to come up with our own ideas, develop them and see how they go..

While I may have my own ideas, things I like to do, targets I would like to hit, etc., others have theirs too and will be able to hopefully get the support and organisation needed from a group of likeminded forcused individuals..

The first task for the activists is just to come up with an idea that they can progress this month, maybe just write a letter to an MP for example?

Or perhaps attend one of the publicised demo's etc in one of the local groups..

Could be anything really, what makes the difference to me is that we try and break out of the web-based world and start to hit the mainstream, the streets, targets out there etc..

Ideas for organising activists locally, or grouping them by interests will hopefully come in good time..

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We are grouping together in the activist forum to come up with our own ideas, develop them and see how they go..

While I may have my own ideas, things I like to do, targets I would like to hit, etc., others have theirs too and will be able to hopefully get the support and organisation needed from a group of likeminded forcused individuals..

The first task for the activists is just to come up with an idea that they can progress this month, maybe just write a letter to an MP for example?

Or perhaps attend one of the publicised demo's etc in one of the local groups..

Could be anything really, what makes the difference to me is that we try and break out of the web-based world and start to hit the mainstream, the streets, targets out there etc..

Ideas for organising activists locally, or grouping them by interests will hopefully come in good time..

Thanks for your reply Haahoo. Sounds all good to me.

I was kinda frustrated yesterday because I was remembering some things I had done in the beginning that had hit brick walls which were wrong to be there in the first place.

So I had these words in my head from a movie I can't remember.

Anyhow the words were, "W-A-R-R-I-O-R-S come out to PLAY-YAY".

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Thanks for your reply Haahoo. Sounds all good to me.

I was kinda frustrated yesterday because I was remembering some things I had done in the beginning that had hit brick walls which were wrong to be there in the first place.

So I had these words in my head from a movie I can't remember.

Anyhow the words were, "W-A-R-R-I-O-R-S come out to PLAY-YAY".

There are a lot of obstacles to overcome, some within ourselves, others set up by those we hope will help us.. And then we face the obstacles set up by the world in general, and the specific folk who just dont want to see us get off our arses..

The greatest obstacles I have noted seem to be the ones within the individual.

The belief that they cant make a difference..

Magnify that by the many that share that belief..

The "why bother?" factor is even more destructive than the "sheep" factor!

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There are a lot of obstacles to overcome, some within ourselves, others set up by those we hope will help us.. And then we face the obstacles set up by the world in general, and the specific folk who just dont want to see us get off our arses..

The greatest obstacles I have noted seem to be the ones within the individual.

The belief that they cant make a difference..

Magnify that by the many that share that belief..

The "why bother?" factor is even more destructive than the "sheep" factor!

Nicely put. I think, "Life hasn't challenged you enough to bring out the best in you yet". It is really nice to see this side of you.

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Nicely put. I think, "Life hasn't challenged you enough to bring out the best in you yet". It is really nice to see this side of you.

Haha! I tend to think my best years are all behind me! Who knows what the future holds though?

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Haha! I tend to think my best years are all behind me! Who knows what the future holds though?

Hehe, so you are speaking from experience then?

I can't wait till you know more. It is going to be sooooo interesting.

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Hehe, so you are speaking from experience then?

I can't wait till you know more. It is going to be sooooo interesting.

Im taking each day as it comes.. I have learned from experience that that seems to be a good idea!

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Im taking each day as it comes.. I have learned from experience that that seems to be a good idea!

Nothing wrong with that.

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There are a lot of obstacles to overcome, some within ourselves, others set up by those we hope will help us.. And then we face the obstacles set up by the world in general, and the specific folk who just dont want to see us get off our arses..

The greatest obstacles I have noted seem to be the ones within the individual.

The belief that they cant make a difference..

Magnify that by the many that share that belief..

The "why bother?" factor is even more destructive than the "sheep" factor!

Individuals can make a difference...that's where it begins, after all!

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Individuals can make a difference...that's where it begins, after all!

For sure, we can all make a difference in our own lives, within the cock-eyed parameters we haev have work within..

Very much of the movement is about individual efforts, in their own private lives and how they go about daily life as they interact..

And we can of course help others in many ways..

But, when it comes to activism, its a bit more than just working under the rules of a system, its about trying to change that system, in some cases, to scupper and abolish that system..

Thats when numbers count for a lot..

And that is when we have to get things right, to gain the numbers needed..

I have heard it said that a political representative does not take any issue seriously till he/she has had 20 individuals bang on the door and face them over the same issue..

Thats not even 0.1% of the electorate they represent..

But, so few folk bother.. that it can be enough!

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For sure, we can all make a difference in our own lives, within the cock-eyed parameters we haev have work within..

Very much of the movement is about individual efforts, in their own private lives and how they go about daily life as they interact..

And we can of course help others in many ways..

But, when it comes to activism, its a bit more than just working under the rules of a system, its about trying to change that system, in some cases, to scupper and abolish that system..

Thats when numbers count for a lot..

And that is when we have to get things right, to gain the numbers needed..

I have heard it said that a political representative does not take any issue seriously till he/she has had 20 individuals bang on the door and face them over the same issue..

Thats not even 0.1% of the electorate they represent..

But, so few folk bother.. that it can be enough!

Great points, Haahoo.

I've always noted, when promoting one bit of activism or another, a general lack of interest and sense of defeatism. Of course, I make allowances that some of it may be due to disinterest in a particular idea and not activism in general, but even ideas that have the vocal support of the majority don't generally get acted upon to any significant degree. It's important to remember that all change starts somewhere.

one gambit could be to expose the eternal feminit spin that Western wimyn are fairies that have been reduced to suffering wretches by their ogre like men

I think the major obstacle is getting the word out to the wider public.

And not only getting the word out about how bad things are, but promoting good ideas.

Another problem is, when folk "get the ear" of those in positions of power, they are often satisfied too easily.

"We will investigate this matter, you have some good points that need to be considered.."

Is a common tactic used by those in power to buy time..

I think f4j failed because when they got the ear of the power-holders, they stopped putting the pressure on..

Talking doesnt work if it is not backed up continually by the actions..

When a group of hundreds of activists gets the (mistaken) impression that "something is now being done" they fade away in good time (a matter of months is enough for most to lose interest..)..

Then, they cant easily be rallied again..

The numbers game is important..

The biggest numbers are boasted by the "moderate" groups..

Yet, the moderate groups notoriously not only achieve nothing, they actually make matters worse, by appeasing those in power..

Cow-towing to feminisation, making stances against "extremists" (anyone who thinks feminism is a bad thing, is not pro-gay rights, does not take the "touchy feely" stance or says anything that may upset women/mothers etc.. Worst of all, suggests assuming "male head of family" to be a good idea!).. That position has had me banned from f4j and real f4j.. I wont be changing that position as I firmly believe in it!!

While the moderate groups have some validity, they promote working within, and thus assist.. the system..

I find them a major turn off.. feminised handwringers waiting for the crumbs off the state table to drop into their mouths!

Frankly, I would rather walk away "Go my own way" than be directed down a road to feminised models of "what a father is"..

And many men effectively do just that, the majority, I would say..

Id tip the whole system on its head, thats my "grand plan"..

Rather than start from the current position which reads, in effect..

"A father must get the permission of the court before he is allowed to have contact with his children, if the mother does not agree, and will be arrested and charged if he tries to go against that rule.."

Id like to start from this position..

"Anyone who impedes the contact of a parent with his/her children, is committing an offence and shall be arrested and charged if they dont have a good reason for doing so.."

"Mothers hurt feelings" dont constitute a good reason for denying contact..

Truth is, there are very few truly valid reasons why the state should criminalise parents for trying to be good parents..

Nor is there good reason in most cases why one parent should seek to do the same.

Wanting total power and control over children that were brought into the world as part of a joint venture is not on..

It is clear to me, that if one parent is more likely to "play fair" regards the children it is the father..

Fathers, it seems, dont have any interest on the whole in denying mothers contact, indeed, they value the role of mothers, as mothers indeed do much that fathers are not particularly wanting to deal with 24/7..

If we want equality, I see it as the fathers role to ensure it!!

The current state of the scene is evidence enough that feminists do not have the ability to provide for equal parenting under the vast majority of situations..

The feminists are interested only in the female take on things.. And even that they get wrong!!