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Please ban me, for I really, seriously am not supportive of the reason this site exists. I appreciate that you gave me .... I got allot... Please ban me for I am wrong.....I am pleading... please.

If I can't be banned by asking, I will break the rules.

Marx is a low down mother-fucken-prick. His helpers are scumbag fuckwit dickhieads. All the people on this site are scumbags.

What are you having a paddy about now? Is it time for your nap?

One could argue you are the only scumbag, behaving in the nasty little vile manner you are doing. If you don't want to be here, do us all a favour and take a long walk off a short cliff. Thanks love.

Also, we are all well aware of transference, when women are jealous of men's relationships with family and accuse them of being motherf**kers, when it is the woman that never got enough love from her mother. I'm not surprised either, if I were your mother, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with you either.

Maybe people would want to have more to do with you, if you weren't such a poor excuse for a human being. Maybe you should think about that.

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Alright, what triggered this juvenile outburst?

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Naughty you, it's not juvenile.

Actually, it is juvenile to resort to gutter mouth foul language. Do you lack the intelligence to make a coherent point without swearing and screaming like a little girl having a temper tantrum? Do we need to take your sweets off you, until you learn to spell correctly and make coherent points without abusing others?

Ahhhhhhhh everybody, I think baby Julie needs her nap-time! Sweet dreams you little freak.

Hey hey hey!!! We all have our issues and I will say Julie may not be the most well spoken or understandable member but it is no reason to bully her to this extent on the forum. Yes she did ask to be "barned" but even with all the disagreement she hasn't done anything necessarily extreme or unexpectedly vile to garner some of these comments. Yes I am aware of the comment at Marx but her intention is stated too. If we censor her (as crazy as she sometimes sounds) who are we to censor next?

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If we censor her (as crazy as she sometimes sounds) who are we to censor next?

Nobody suggested censorship at all, she is allowed to be as foul as she wants. This is a forum and people can speak out, even if it is hate speech. However, if one walks in to a room and starts being foul mouthed, don't expect everyone to be polite in return. That is what has happened here.

How people have responded to her is fully justified. Kinda stating the obvious there, not that I should have to.

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Hey hey hey!!! We all have our issues and I will say Julie may not be the most well spoken or understandable member but it is no reason to bully her to this extent on the forum.

Nobodies bullying her at all. Your statement makes me wonder why you're a vag sympathiser?

In fact, she is lucky myself and others have been so polite to her. If any man walked in to a room with women and spoke to them in the same way she just did, calling them all "f**king sl*gs, b**ches who f**ked their fathers",that man wouldn't be able to physically walk out of that room. I think it is a testament to the goodwill of men here, their restraint, as to why everyone has been so polite to someone who surely doesn't deserve it.

Maybe you need to re-read what she said:

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Marx is a low down mother-fucken-prick. His helpers are scumbag fuckwit dickhieads.All the people on this site are scumbags.

RE: Bits highlighted in bold:
- I don't care much for her constant swearing and insinuation that a fellow member participates in incest. However if this were all it was, I would have just told her to grow up and discuss this in private with Marx, which is reasonable. She can't spell d**kheads, but insinuates and judges anyone with affiliation to marx is as such, which is slander.

RE: Underlined part:
- However she is coming out with a direct insult, calling everyone, myself who doesn't even know her or spoken to her previously therefore shouldn't even have an issue with, you the vag sympathiser, everyone on here a scumbag. She is dragging everyone in to what should be a private argument and slandering all of us, our entire community with her vile little tongue.

And you defend this? I can't see how anyone could, unless they were so pussy-whipped, that they automatically not only bowed down to any women giving them a tirade of abuse, but then defended them as if it were acceptable.

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In fact, the fact I am a mother should cause concern.

Oh I meant to respond to this as well. Yes it does concern me people like you are allowed to raise children.

I hope someone who knows you reports this to the appropriate authority so your children can be safely removed from your custody. Children shouldn't be procreating and having children themselves.

wh666, that's why I don't sympathize with women in general because they are mostly the cause of their issues. Women act abusively and then when men respond in like manner revert to being damsels. Even if they don't act that way other men perceive them that way. As for men, since more than half of them are manginas I don't sympathize with many of them neither (when they prove themselves to be manginas) but it doesn't mean that they should mess things up for the rest of us.

Men often defend bad behavior of women that they'd never defend of men. Men are the reason why women feel they can do and say whatever they want because men are such pushovers when it comes to women. Women can commit crimes and offenses, even against men themselves, in plain sight and men still defend women's right to do so. Those same men get on other men's cases for responding to such behavior from women so harshly.

Then men have the nerve to wonder why things are so bad for men. A men's forum is the last place you'd expect such behavior, isn't it? Women show us their true colors time and time again but it's us men who choose to wear blind folds.

somebody isn't taking their medication agin

Did you read this "Yes I am aware of the comment at Marx but her intention is stated too."?

I know full well what she said, however I am adding the context here.

"If I can't be banned by asking, I will break the rules.

Marx is a low down mother-fucken-prick. His helpers are scumbag fuckwit dickhieads. All the people on this site are scumbags."

I personally don't see it as deep down hatred, as I see it as an obvious jab to just try to get banned (Like the homeless guy who intentionally kicks a cop so he can go to jail and get "shelter and food").

I assume Marx didn't take too much offence in that statement Ie:"If you're so set on being banned, simply stop posting here..."

Maybe I am being more sympathetic than I should be, but everybody is putting alot of energy into beating a dead insane horse. Most of us have heard loads of "off-kilter" stuff from her. All we need is another thread of pissed MRA's to show up on Manboobz.com...

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Maybe I am being more sympathetic than I should be but you guys are putting alot of energy into beating a dead insane horse. Most of us have heard alot of off-kilter stuff from her. All we want is a thread of pissed MRA's to show up on Manboobz.com...

Fair enough, from your previous comment and this, I understand your POV. My accusation of vag sympathiser was never meant to be a slur, just how I perceived the situation before.

This is the second thread of hers I've seen, so perhaps I'm new to the Julie phenomenon? I see what you mean about beating a dead horse, but with so much sexism and inequality in society, when I see such blatant discrimination, it makes me feel like beating that horse. It probably won't change societies ills, but it's either that or give up, sign up for servitude and ask members of society to abuse me.

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Did you read this "Yes I am aware of the comment at Marx but her intention is stated too."?

I know full well what she said, however I am adding the context here.

"If I can't be banned by asking, I will break the rules.

Marx is a low down mother-fucken-prick. His helpers are scumbag fuckwit dickhieads. All the people on this site are scumbags."

I personally don't see it as deep down hatred, as I see it as an obvious jab to just try to get banned (Like the homeless guy who intentionally kicks a cop so he can go to jail and get "shelter and food")

I see your point. Yes I'm aware of people who view jail as a better resort than their freedom.

However, if she wanted to stop posting or be banned, there are so many other routes to follow. You may see her as a hobo trying to get in to jail, but from my POV, she is trying to mask her hatred, like the woman who says appalling feminist junk and follows it by "joking!". I believe she is trying to mislead us all in to thinking she is just doing something to get banned, when in fact she really means it and is probably one of those crazy types that would hack her partner up with a razor blade in his sleep.

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This is the second thread of hers I've seen, so perhaps I'm new to the Julie phenomenon?

I had to get used to her style as well.

@wh666--While Julie's comments weren't excusable, you didn't make an exemplary argument in your ad-hominem laden response to Nikonian.

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We all have our issues and I will say Julie may not be the most well spoken or understandable member but it is no reason to bully her to this extent on the forum.

I'd disagree about Julie not being the most well spoken. I've read her input over the years, and while it can vary (like everybody), when she's on form some excellent comprehensible pieces have been contributed by her. Context!

I wonder if the entire forum insulted julie the way that julie insulted the entire forum if julie would be complimenting us the way some of the members are complimenting her. These types of women should enjoy this while it lasts because as older generations of men die out there will be more and more men who are more and more relentless towards women due to their bad behavior. Thank you to the older men for being a shining reminder to me of what not to be. Thank you to the women for reminding me why I shouldn't be that way.

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I wonder if the entire forum insulted julie the way that julie insulted the entire forum if julie would be complimenting us the way some of the members are complimenting her. These types of women should enjoy this while it lasts because as older generations of men die out there will be more and more men who are more and more relentless towards women due to their bad behavior. Thank you to the older men for being a shining reminder to me of what not to be. Thank you to the women for reminding me why I shouldn't be that way.

Well, I've probably infracted Julie as much as any Admin over the years, and if I was in Karl's shoes, I also wouldn't let a disruptive member dictate what actions I should take or when following a personal attack. Secondly, I can recall a number of male members who've said similar and worse about the whole forum, including it's members, and haven't been punished. Is that not being consistent and fair that a knee-jerk reaction wasn't similarly implemented?

As for 'complimenting' as you describe it, I often give positive reinforcement even to those who've poured much scornful water on this stubborn ducks back, rather than mirroring the negativity directed at me, where nothing is achieved.

The real war lies beyond this forum, not overly obssesing about the micro politics within the forum. Karma often catches up when I mention in infraction/banning notes how certain users are being subject to the 'culmination of actions.' That way I decide when an infraction or banning happens, not the unruly member!

Julie now knows she's treading on thin ice and another similar outburst wouldn't be a wise move regarding maintaining her membership here.

Don't mistake a strength as a weakness pops. You're too fixated on a personal quick fix to contemplate a bigger picture.

Heavy!! Is there's just one person here that understands irony? Or does everything have to be literal and sugar-coated, just like the movies?

However, if she wanted to stop posting or be banned, there are so many other routes to follow. You may see her as a hobo trying to get in to jail, but from my POV, she is trying to mask her hatred, like the woman who says appalling feminist junk and follows it by "joking!". I believe she is trying to mislead us all in to thinking she is just doing something to get banned, when in fact she really means it and is probably one of those crazy types that would hack her partner up with a razor blade in his sleep.

What????? Delve into the archives. See what Julie has said and done. She's confused. Her work brings her into contact with damaged men and women and she doesn't like it. She feels rather than thinks. Perhaps she gets a tad annoyed when all the blame is placed on the most vulnerable women.
If she saw more of the bigger picture she would know that her own priveleged sisters caused the problem. If she doesn't see it, it's because she's too busy with damage-limitation. Why would any man see Julie as any kind of threat?

This is an observation and not an obsession. This 1 situation just happens to be a manifestation of what we continuously see between the sexes. This situation doesn't consume me; I just see it for what it is.

I'm not telling you how to do your job. It's the response that is laughable. A woman insults the entire forum in unladylike fashion and certain members speak in her defense still. One even says that she shouldn't be bullied to this extent and two even agree with him. Those are 3 men whom she called scumbags agreeing that she shouldn't be bullied nor censored. A man insults her back and defends the forum and some get on his case but no one speaks in his defense.

The fact of the matter is that if the forum in it's entirety treated a member, especially a woman, the way we saw a woman treat this forum in it's entirety that would be used against us as an example of how hateful we are. The response would have been much different but I would expect no differently. The fact is, we don't treat members this poorly here, especially not women, and they still give us a bad rap.

I can understand about "wanting to be the better person" but come on, it's human nature to want to defend oneself and retaliate against someone who attacks you for no reason. We may not agree with the retaliation but lets not pretend that we don't see where this person is coming from just to appear "not like the feminists". At least you did acknowledge that her comments were inexcusable. So you have to understand why those ad hominems were made against julie as well. You don't have to agree with what a person does to understand why a person does it.

If I wanted a personal quick fix I'd start doing drugs. Maybe I should start doing drugs to better understand where more people are coming from. When solving a puzzle it isn't enough to be able to see the big picture if you don't have the right pieces or are unable to put the right pieces in place.

If we're going to be anti-misandry but we refuse to call out misandry in front of our eyes, then how are we going to make any meaningful impact addressing misandry in the real world? Unless we're too busy with the real world to address it here but is that really the case?

Feminism is a symptom of a larger problem.