I have talked a bit about socialization already with gaps in pay, education, the disparity between men and women in STEM fields, etc. I have also said its hard to tell where socialization ends and discrimination begins, so I figured it would be a good idea to outline the differences between the two and where they overlap, this is a piece that will come in handy in the future.
A mere statistic is not necessarily discrimination. If I said 10% of all Physics majors are female that wouldn’t necessarily be discrimination. That could be socialization where people are taught social norms about what is and is not approachable for men or women. This isn’t discrimination. It sucks, but its not discrimination. We should definitely look into why the roles developed the way they did (often based on the needs of hunter/gatherer societies which we haven’t seemed to have completely gotten rid of yet) and how we should change the socialization patterns. If there is a problem with socialization when it is not also discrimination then theres nothing wrong with bringing it up and trying to break the norms-and its time we raised some hell.
Discrimination is not necessarily socialized, simply saying I do not want group X (choose a gender/race/ethnicity/social group) here and I will do what I can to keep them out. This is discrimination. You may be taught your beliefs and in that sense it is socialized but that is in the micro level, it is problematic but on its own its not a huge deal. However if it grows…
Where they overlap is institutionalized discrimination
As said to me by someone online
“More women getting into college was not because of affirmative action-- the fact was, the gifted members of half of the population had not been widely educated before, and now mediocre men were not having it as easy to get in when women with higher grades were taking up their former places. Oh, well, sorry boys. Maybe less football and more studying would have helped.”
in regards to more women graduating highschool and college than men. If that isn’t a sexist instant assumption right there I don’t know what is. Not only does it say then men are not as gifted, but it simply states that guys are far more concerned with sports to make the decent grades when only a small fraction of students are athletes. Aside from that considering the fact most people are just average, why should we consider mediocre women over mediocre men?
Heres the kicker, oftentimes men are discouraged by their parents from pursuing further education when women are not. Continuing with the same study we see we are simply assuming boys are lazy, and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. All of these negative stereotypes for men are coming about, that’s not just the way it is. These are still strong stereotypes that need to be removed, and our boys more encouraged.
Hate to call the guys at AM out-love the place great source of insanity, warfare, information and more
However there was an ad up called herway.com it was an automatic ad im sure of it but heres what it is: It’s a dating website where women control everything, are the only ones able to look at profiles, send messages etc. In other words, men are banned from taking initiative. Think its just a “new approach” like they say it is? Here are there 3 main points with side commentary
1) HerWay's innovative approach to dating, similar to the Sadie Hawkins dance, ensures women control the action by restricting men from searching, while allowing women to browse for men anonymously. We got that already
2) When she's ready to connect, her profile is revealed only to the man of her choosing by initiating contact with him. Ok, makes sense based on the premise, no way in hell this would work the other way around though so theres a double standard….
3) This revolutionary new concept provides women unprecedented privacy, discretion, and safety as they search for Mr. Right. And the privacy of men doesn’t matter!!!
We see here the clearly the idea is “protecting women” by giving them the “power”-that seems like a bright idea…we can totally see how this goes wrong as women are given all the control and it really doesn’t ensure their safety if they get caught with a nutjob. And we all know there are plenty of crazy women on the internet at as well
The entire idea will be a failure in regards to safety and is clearly sexist against men
And while im well aware that it’s a banner that AM probably has no control over I find it ironic that a place devoted to being against misandry has an ad for a misandric business at the top of it.
’m a fan of the TV show glee. There I said it, I find most of the musical numbers quite good, and the plot so over the top its hilarious. So much about women deceiving men for their own personal gain as well with lying about pregnancies, sex, deception for power etc. How “Sue Sees it” were great bits of sheer intolerance.
Then a while ago they had their “Madonna” episode. This is your token girls a great guys are misogynist episode. I despised it because they blamed the men for everything and while Artie had a really bad line in there about expecting his girlfriend to lose weight (note she did not gain any after they were together) However it was still sexist as they even talked directly about having sex with guys for personal gain and how the guys were at fault. You can see where this is going, luckily it was the token episode I was able to suck it up, and the series hasn’t gone back to it since.
Well today they did their Lady Gaga episode. Personally im not fan. But finally someone comes out and says “we seem to only do what the girls want to do”. The teacher acknowledges it, however its all about theatrics so what are they going to do? http://www.lyrics-songtexte.com/wp-c...4_kissLOGO.jpg
This is a small victory for the guys as its actually acknowledged they have a voice when half of them are guys, id like to see a bit more of this, actually a lot more of this. Another small victory for the guys was a kid taking serious responsibility for a kid along the way. I know I advocate for the choice on being an involved father or not but he was in that childish joking around version wanting to name the kid “Jackie Daniels”
However its not all fun and games and victories for guys, they still had a handful of intolerant brutes against the gaga movement with violence (the jocks) who have been a long time rival of the gay member of the club, and the club in general (the cheerleaders and their leader are the other arch nemesis who we see a lot more of) and a tad bit of homophobia (and theres partially a good reason due to a rather awkward situation and the main characters worked everything out)
It’s a step in the right direction for the guys and them having a voice-its not anywhere near as strong as the token episode for feminism but atleast there was a bit of a voice
Keep watching the show for more plots of evil women in a hilarious manner And heres the guy’s numbers from KISS
my main blog (where all my MRM stuff is posted) is here
Why don’t men get help when it comes to DV? Because its all about the money. Look at how much goes into helping women and how much some of the executive directors actually make http://www.mediaradar.org/state_dv_coalition_info.php
Notice that Illinois gives its director NO MONEY and it also has only a $2,000 think of the money that would be saved if we didn’t pay the people running these things.
Apparently people aren’t interested in doing this from the goodness of their hearts but for the sake of profit.
Ok, I get that sometimes it takes a monetary incentive to give people help, however when you are making $183,000 a year (Florida) theres a major problem, something seems backwards about that.
Heres the problem, theres monetary incentive and women aren’t getting help (I would say men aren’t getting help either but they aren’t allowed to help me). They are being exploited and manipulated
it gets better (well only a bit but still...) keep going here
Oftentimes if you look at review for books on men’s issues or double standards in favor of women on amazon, you will find people calling those involved in the MRM whiny, misogynistic, and sexist or we aren’t happy with the way things are or cant get laid.
Now having sex has nothing to do with the facts, but lets look at the whiny part
If we said that women had to change the way they genuinely act as a whole, or to deal with it in regards to a double standard against them they would scream SEXIST! So why is it just whining when it comes to men? That is the ultimate double standard. Criticism of society and problems for men is whining and righteous for women.
Does the average man’s voice have no validity? Apparently so.
Hes what mens rights is about
the RIGHT to have equal sentencing that women have
the RIGHT to have education
the RIGHT to have male friendly environments and male friendly policies
the RIGHT to be a father after divorce
the RIGHT to not be expected to serve in the military and die
the RIGHT to equal access to domestic abuse assistance as women
the RIGHT to have male psychological needs tended to
the RIGHT to public funding being spent equally on men and womens health issues
the RIGHT to choose if we work full time, stay home full time or a combination of the two
the RIGHT to be innocent until proven guilty in regards to rape, abuse, etc
the RIGHT not to die for the sake of society
the RIGHT to speak out against women in authority without being called weak, sexist or having an inferiority complex
the RIGHT to not instantly be assumed to be an abuser, a rapist or a deadbeat based on the genetalia
anyone have any objections? http://riseofthezetamale.blogspot.com
Updated 20th-May-2010 at 05:28 PM by zetamale
Ive seen a lot of criticism on boards about the democrats-and for good reason, they need a spine, tend to align with feminists, and need a spine. Biden made VAWA so that’s not going away until hes out of office or it can be proven 100% constitutional (wait…never mind) Anyways heres the thing. Progressive does not equal socialist or Marxist, just as feminism doesn’t. Feminism has a lot of Marxist qualities but it is not Marxism.
But heres the dilemma those that consider themselves men’s advocates and are more liberal on every other issue tend to be at a bind. I know I am.
So how do you vote democrat? Well when 90%+ other issues you agree with a political party on it makes it easier. You could say it may make it seem like its balancing out. Perhaps its rationalization but at the same time its necessary
Remember the republicans have no souls and will exploit you and make life generally worse for EVERYONE without the help of feminism. (Fun fact those good old days of American history had the highest taxes) You could also consider the republican party may want to go back to a patriarchal system when what our goal should be is egalitarian. It was the republicans who reinstated the ban on women in the frontlines of the military, did nothing to stop vawa, and want to break down separation of church and state. They also tend to be more pro-war which. Pro-war+no women on the frontlines=male disposability.
Then we have people like Alan Grayson and Al Franken who have spines. If they campaign in the next election (Grayson 2012!) ill be sending in floods of emails about DV, rape accusations, etc to them and the republicans-ill also go to some of their public speeches and challenge them if I have a chance (I will encourage you all to do the same) Making a rational argument will actually work with these people.
But heres where things get better. Elam wrote an article recently about how the MRM will skyrocket due to a massive unemployment problem if it makes that much noise the democrats and republicans will each be taking action, similar to how they did in regards to feminism. Now I don’t quite want it to happen this way, id rather have “the bomb” come without the massive unemployment. But lets say it does happen with or without the unemployment. Both parties will have to confront it. The difference will be the approach. Its too soon to say which approach they take, and they wont completely abandon feminism im sure the wage gap/discriminated when it comes to entering business thing will stay but we may get more change for boys when it comes to education, medical research, DV assistance and a few other things (lets face it we aren’t going to get everything we want at once)
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Ill just come out and say it-im not for it. But women are finally starting to pay it!!!! now its amusing to see them complain about the hardships and there is a bit of a “hah! Now you know how it feels!” aspect to it. (never had to pay it but I have heard stories and seen the issues with it). However I do not think the woman who went through that excessive hardship should have. No one should man or woman.
Heres my case against alimony: Its to keep the standard of living for the receiver and pay for the work done in the home. The work at home is generally paid for in return for food, shelter, etc-or atleast that would make sense and any divorce is going to change standard of living for everyone theres no avoiding it theres only so much money is going around. My next issue is who gets alimony? Most times women initiate the divorce and then get alimony…no, even if we have alimony you should not be able to receive it if you initiate the divorce, there is something wrong about that. Having a divorce has a cost legally, socially, and financially you should not be able to leave your significant other and get paid afterwards.
If you think you will be fine after divorce good for you, but don’t expect your ex to back you up financially.
Laughing aside, hooray for the gender neutral part, boo for the part that people still have to pay alimony my blog here
One of the main criticism of feminism is that it thrives on "victim power" which is seen in cases like the story here by the false rape society about putting the names of alleged rapists on tshirts and in public leading to the attack
Heres the deal-victim power isnt actually power-its revenge and often called justice
When victim power is justice its through the reasoning and assertion that you have been wronged and you are entitled to get even. Michel Foucaults argument that court systems were a way of legally sanctifying revenge (read interview with a maoist its rather funny actually) makes perfect sense here, because thats exactly whats going on
unfortunately rape isnt in the small claims court category its a serious crime and it cant be about revenge (this is also why it stemmed from petty vengeance to a system for order to serve as a link between the upperclass and the proleletariat)
Revenge is not justice and justice is not revenge. Yes they are often related. If you are financially wronged you are entitled to what you lost that is justice. To then have the person shamed in public it is then revenge.
Now thats not to say one cannot get a feeling of satisfaction similar to revenge through the use of justice. If someone murders your family there will be some comfort knowing he is behind bars for the rest of his life. However you dont go flaunting it around.
We arent in feudal France anymore, the court system evolved for a reason, we dont want it to be about revenge. Thats how we get frivolous lawsuits
more on petty vengeance and the court system here....
and if you arent familiar with michel foucault by the time im done with you, you sure as hell will be
I may very well be beating a dead horse when i write this and i am probably going to get a lot of people calling me a liberal pussy compromiser but im not bending over backwards im trying to make a reasonable solution so if youre going to say that fuck off and go somewhere else
Because of Pansygate there has been a lot of coverage on what is/isn’t allowed in regards to age of consent, the ideas of rape and pedophilia. Iv said it before and ill say it again. Im not taking sides in this. Both Paul and Jay have been a big help in getting my blog up and running and I thank them both for their support.
But at what age should sex be legal. On one hand the age of consent laws do seem to punish men only (as jay has pointed out in his now controversial article). And there seems to be a problem with statutory rape and pedophilia being mixed in with consensual sex and there lies the dilemma
We don’t want creepy guys hitting on 10 year olds, or even half their age when they are in their thirties, but at the same time we don’t want to punish people who are in relationships with people a bit over the age of 18 and we do sexually mature earlier than 18 as well.
Now I would like to also make a statement for “legal purposes” (not that I have enough of a statement for people to get worked up but who knows one day….) I am not advocating sex with minors, rather a way we look at the laws and define minors and don’t believe anyone who cannot handle the consequence of sex (emotional, stds, caring for a child emotionally/financially) should be having sex in the first place. But here is my stance
and what do you all think?