In some states in the US you can lose a driver’s license if child support is backed up too much. It doesn’t make much sense-how are you going to get to work to pay support if you can’t drive there? Now in Canada your credit ratings might suffer as well. The idea is to restrain these men from spending and having money because they won’t pay for child support.
There are a few things rather illogical about this. The first is, it hinders the economy. How can people who are having their finances cut actually spend money and put forth towards job development? Even worse, how can they make money in order to actually pay the child support if you hurt credit ratings so they can’t get a roof over their heads?
Doesn’t make much sense. And it gets even trickier.
It is hard to determine (during the paperwork process) which people can’tpay child support and which people won’t. There is a huge difference. No matter what you think of child support laws, those who can’t pay are put in a worse situation than those who won’t, because they are treated the same way and get unjust punishments.
So why don’t we consider something else. Why don’t we give assistance to people who are struggling? By assuming that they can’t pay instead of won’tpay we can work with things like job assistance to keep these people employed, well fed, and able to survive on their own we can then move on to also working to help their children. We do more damage by punishing everyone for the what the few are guilty for than by helping everyone, and punishing those that don’t follow through in the end (those that are then proceeding to do well after receiving assistance can have assistance taken away/garnished wages/etc.).
Punishing these men, who often don’t deserve to be punished doesn’t help the kids. If we really want to be in the “best interest of the child” it needs to be about getting the child the best and most
Very rarely do I bitch about shit like this. I actually hate identity politics. I hate them with every moral fiber in my body. Yes, I frequent MRA sites and blogs, but I still frequent feminist blogs, despite finding most feminists to be insufferable due to the oppression olympics that pervade them.
The fact of the matter is, we are all oppressed, some more than others and that's not limited to any characteristic, it's related to classism and state-capitalism. I know that, and hopefully you know that. A man is screwed by social factors that force him into a soldier/robotic servant role and a woman is screwed by those same factors that forces them to be dependent on the state or others by being a baby machine. Whether you want to call these factors "patriarchy" or not, doesn't concern me, what matters if you recognize that we are all screwed by the system. The state isn't our friend, it has proven that consistently, and yet it still has the audacity to call itself our friend. Heh.
The system of statism and capitalism creates an hierarchy that favors divisiveness and and hierarchical relations between people and anything that doesn't fit at the top(99% of people) are oppressed. If there is anyone above us, we are by necessity, slaves; anyone below us are our slaves. We need to start looking at people as our equals, whether we have an advantage or disadvantage. We are all in this together and justice requires us to look at people as equals and start working together.
So what about identity politics? They are very divisive. I do not have a problem with say a MRA bringing attention to an issue affecting men, but attacking women is divisive. I actually have the same attitude towards feminists, it's one thing to bring an issue affecting women out in the open, but for fuck's sake don't blame men or attack men. It is fair to address selfish behavior in both men or women, but it isn't fair to paint all men or women like that. NAMALT
“If there be a human being who is freer than I, then I shall necessarily become his slave. If I am freer than any other, then he will become my slave. Therefore equality is an absolutely necessary condition of freedom.” -- Mikhail Bakunin
It is often said that socialism is unnatural and that it is incompatible with libertarianism. This is a lie. My vision is that socialism is first and foremost about freedom and therefore about overcoming the domination, repression, and alienation that blocks the free flow of human creativity, thought, and action. I do not equate socialism with planning, state control, or nationalization of industry, although I understand that in a socialist society (not "under" socialism) economic activity will be collectively controlled, managed, planned, and owned. Similarly, I believe that socialism will involve equality, but I do not think that socialism is equality, for it is possible to conceive of a society where everyone is equally oppressed.
At this juncture, you might be wondering what the hell are the libertarian parts. The simple answer is that I am in support of limited government though I could easily justify no government. My personal vision is a socialist minarchy, though I accept that most libertarian socialists/ left libertarians are anarchists and will support anarchism in the event that I am unable to justify a state(which after some thought I think there are legitimate functions of a state*). I think equality is a valid part of freedom and after some deliberate thought, one requires the other.
So you might be wondering what's wrong with capitalism. Well, the problem that I see with it is that it is an exploitive system and is authoritorian. The problem with capitalism is that it creates shit heaps called neighborhoods and reduces the poor and other disadvantaged workers to animals. This is anti-human and not good for human dignity. It is true that I accept the labor theory of value
A great criticism of those who defend people from false accusations is that we are dealing with such a small minority of the population that it is not a major issue from a larger standpoint in society. The False Rape Society, which shares a story of a false accusation just about every day, only qualifies as anecdotal evidence of a handful of disasters in these peoples eyes.
So how many people need to be harmed by a false accusation for it to be considered a problem?
I would say 11% is a decent size, and that is actually what we have.
SAVE recently did a bit of a survey. Yes a bit over 1 in 10 people have been falsely accused of some form of domestic violence. Note that this is not specifically rape, or what percentage of claims are false rather what percentage of people have actually been accused of a domestic crime they did not commit.
1 in 4 of the accused are men, and 70% of the accusers were women, and a bit less than half of the accusations are of a sexual nature. Everyone has blood on their hands as an accuser, and no one is safe from an accusation.
1 in every 4 false accusations occurred during a divorce. This is not a surprise, if anyone is surprised by this; I think the shock is that it is sow low as 70% of alleged instances occur during a divorce after a lawyer has been seen. Along the same lines, the majority of the falsely accused are attacked for child abuse. I have a bone to pick with them, but I will get to that later.
There is a disturbing ignorance in America, when less than half of Americans have heard of any form of false accusations. I was 15 when the Duke scandal occurred, I was not involved in men’s rights at all, but I was well aware of the false accusation. I didn’t know all the details, but with cases like that all over the media, I feel a sense of shame for the society I reside in. If a kid can hear about a case like that through the grapevine, then far
Let's begin with a strain of thought:
Do I think that LGBT organizations should help fight for heterosexuals? Yes, I do, actually.
Modern feminism has put people into a state where they’re starting to force themselves into an Us vs. Them mentality. I see it all the time. I’m pan-romantic and demisexual but I always see LGBT organizations purposely make others that prefer the same sex seem like “aliens”. Opposed to trying to get people to understand them and find common ground, all of the focus is on making LGBT people to be these loud, unapproachable individuals. We’re all human. Why do we feel the need to keep dividing ourselves from each other?
Yes, LGBT orgs have their obligation to spread awareness and fight their issues. That’s not what I have a problem with. I feel as though it’s trying to take an eye for an eye in a battle for equality here. By trying to define themselves as people worthy of respect in all areas of society and invading the ‘straights only’ club, they’re creating a ‘gays only’ club. I’ve even talked to feminists about this. There ARE instances in the LGBT community where some people start to see their issues as more relevant or harsher than heterosexuals.
Straight people commit suicide. LGBT individuals commit suicide.
Straight people lose their jobs. LGBT individuals lose their jobs.
Straight people have emotional issues. LGBT individuals have emotional issues.
Straight people are struggling economically. LGBT people are struggling economically.
Straight people get bullied and hated. LGBT people get bullied and hated.
We’re ALL the same and like modern feminism, I don’t like the fact that these movements are so adamant about ignoring other groups because they feel as though it’s justified.
I don’t even like attending LGBT events because I feel as though a great deal of the people in there blow themselves up to be special snowflakes. Yes, we’re all
We all know the story, a woman claims she was raped and everyone panics. Hide your daughters theres a monster on the loose. Then the victim points out the man who raped her. Before you can tell a friend they’ve identified the monster people have already gathered their torches and pitchforks.
The hunt has begun.
Unfortunately, the lynch mob got things wrong. It was a false accusation, or there was someone misidentified. An innocent man has felt the sadistic wrath of society. Simply by being named, a man will face wrath and stigma that emerges. As a result someone’s life will be ruined.
So where does this come from? Society is fairly rational, yet for some reason when we see someone identified as a rapist, we lose all common sense even if that person is mentally ill. Even when the person is a decent human being, it leads to their demise, and possibly being raped themselves. All this and more comes form society’s desire and role to protect women from the harsh outside world. Combine the chivalrous ideals, with the atrocity that is rape and society loses any sort of rationality.
When we set up society, even with moderately chivalrous guidelines for social conduct, the response to crimes where women are the victims of men becomes increasingly violent. When we live by a chivalrous code, when a woman gets raped society fails. More here Every time you skip liking me on facebook a little piece of me dies
Updated 1st-June-2011 at 01:03 AM by zetamale
The Steps to War Part V
This concept should not be an unusual one to anyone who has played team sports, been a soldier, or has an active business partner.
Why do I bring this up? I bring it up because we are going to find that the MRA movement contains every facet of human behavior, and most facets of human thought. We have good and evil, hateful and loving, apathetic and inspired. In fact, the MRA movement can be defined as a liquid. Ideas and their accompanying anecdotes spread from site to site, usually dependent upon the individual who brings up the idea or anecdote in the first place. It's a community that sees a lot of traffic. Some people stay and make it their home. Other people spend just enough time to pick up the best or the worst the community has to offer and then leave.
We should aim to change that.
There is a solid foundation of ideas out there floating in disparate locations all over the place in a variety of mediums. There are groups out there that are actively seeking to redress the worst parts of feminist policy-making in our courts and schools. Unforutnately......these ideas and those services provided by active groups are only looked for when people are in trouble. They have already hit rock bottom in most cases, and only after a painful search manage to find what they need. For some, it is already to late. For most, it is only enough to mitigate some of the damage that has already been done to their lives.
The Kingdom for a Nail.
This is where the idea of teamwork comes in.
I argue for the solidification of the core beliefs of the MRA movement. We need competent leaders to come together and actually decide what those exact goals are. We need to find out what it is going to take to achieve those goals with as little collateral damage as possible. We need to find competent individuals who are
The Steps to War Part IV
This is your first task.
You must have some reading in order to appreciate the full scope of what each set of ideas entails. Unfortunately, this will require exposure to some of the most evil writings the world has seen. Fortunately this will also require exposure to some of the most inspirational reading as well. This reading is just a primer. It is essentially what I cut my teeth on, plus a general list of other useful things I have found laying about online. Relating to Feminist Ideology Mein Kompf -- HitlerThe Communist Manifesto -- Karl MarxThe Origin of Family, Private Property and the State -- Friedrich EngelsSCUM Manifesto -- Valerie SolanasRedstockings Manifesto -- uncredited authorsRevolution from Within -- Gloria SteinamGoddesses, Whores, Wives, and Slaves -- Sarah B. Pomeroy Pornography: Men Possessing Women -- Andrea DworkinGyn/Ecology: The Metaethics of Radical Feminism -- Mary Daly
Also check these things out online. I will warn you that if you attempt to post on these sites without having well informed arguments that you will be vilified by any other readers there...or the authors may decide to erase your comments and ignore you in the future. http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/http://bevjoradicallesbian.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/heterosexualityselling-out-is-not-compulsory/ http://bevjoradicallesbian.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/unfortunately-we-need-air-to-breathe-support-lesbian-health/http://bevjoradicallesbian.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/classism/ http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/http://www.nikkicraft.com/ http://www.nostatusquo.com/ http://www.feminist.org/
Yes....I had a very hard time digesting all of that. A Perspective Other than Feminism Women: Theory and Practice -- Bernard ChapinThe Flipside of Feminism -- Suzanne Venker
The Steps to War Part III
There are a few other characteristics that I would like to define as important to discourse. These are qualities that I feel are important to develop in order to reach your goals. Developing these qualities and adhering to these during the course of your dealings with the enemy may be a determining factor in whether or not the war is won. Keep in mind that you represent an IDEA. Keep in mind that you work against another IDEA.
There are going to be civilians watching as the war rages around them, comfortable in not making a choice. Part of your purpose is to convince others that your idea is the RIGHT idea. At the very least, you have to make sure that your enemies' ideas are not accepted. You must also have the wither-all to inspire civillians to action, and the only way to that is to set an example. Keep the following in mind when you deal with others. Your primary duty at this point and time is to convince as many civilians as possible that ascribing to your views is the right course of action in order to protect their interests (And it IS!)
Attempting any serious debate with many feminists will ONLY lead you in circles ad infinitum. If you absolutely must attempt debate with feminists, make sure it is only to make them clarify their views so that it exposes them and makes plain to any civilians that this is indeed a misguided and destructive ideology.
Hence the "War is deception" quote. HONOR: This includes both Integrity and Personal Responsibility. Don't Lie. Someone is only as good as their word. If you create a falsehood while fighting this war then you have failed yourself and your teammates. Purposely misrepresenting the facts, even for the "greater good" shows a distinct lack of character. Once the lie is found out, you and your team, as well as any ideas you represent are no longer
The Steps to War Part II
There are many times I have seen the prospective MRA or proported MGTOW begin a tirade about one point or another and totally misrepresent the point they are trying to make, or misrepresent themselves. This is an unfortunate circumstance, as it muddies the intellectual waters from which real discourse emerges.
I would suggest finding resources that focus on facts, or focus on ideological differences between one viewpoint and another. You better know more than the party line, and be prepared to think critically about your viewpoints and how they relate to empirical and experiential evidence. You must operate under the assumption that the enemy is already prepared to argue by making consistently logical statements. You must also operate under the assumption that the enemy knows the territory you are approaching. Do not run into the fray without being prepared to discuss the matter at hand. You must be armed with the knowledge of the relevant subject being discussed. Do your research before making any statements.
You must be comfortable facing criticism of your views. There will be people who disagree with you on all manner of things, and the reactions you receive with each statement you make will be varied. Do not allow yourself to be sidetracked by the "feeling" of having your views attacked, no matter how vehemently. This is simply a part of of the psychology of warfare.
Be prepared for real debate. There are some excellent rules right here on how to approach a debate. Following these rules will help you get your point across in a non-threatening manner that effectively disarms your opponent of the ability to rebut effectively. Be prepared for some of your debates to be lengthy, and be prepared to shuffle words like pieces on a chessboard. http://www.truthtree.com/debates.shtml
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