For anyone following the #womenagainstfeminism hashtag on Twitter, or the other online venues where this is trending, one will readily observe just how often the charge is made (or is it a defense?) that the W.A.F.s and friends simply "don't understand" feminism. Actually, I think they're right. After a lifetime of being told, going back to the sixties, that my kind (the dread White Man) were responsible for pretty much everything bad that ever happened to anyone else not like us, I decided to check it out myself. I read Brownmiller, Ehrenreich, Friedan, and Caldicott, to name but a few. I hung out with, worked with, listened to, and attended public events with, self-identifying feminists, for years. I saw women in the 80s wearing running shoes to work to "Take Back the Night" and went on to wonder if they had, as heels got higher and higher until anatomically self-immolating footwear had become the new symbol of "empowerment." I married a feminist with a feminist mother. I watched my more intellectual, urbane male friends, one after another, go from being interesting, funny and spontaneous young men to being diaper-bag-toting stepnfetchits who could barely begin a sentence without the words "let me check with..." I worked with redneck manly men whose wives actually (wait for it) MADE THEM SANDWICHES, and who also in absolute seriousness called the little lady The Boss and meant it. And all this time, in college towns and tourist towns, as well as cow towns, I kept thinking that, sooner or later, I would run into this Patriarchy that had all these gals stirred up. Ol' Pat must have done something REAL bad to these women, 'cause they just never seemed to stop looking for him behind every corner and in every action, thought, attitude or perceived slight on the part of men. And still, I guess I just didn't "understand" feminism, hard as I'd tried. I remember the
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Sentencing of Sex Offenders
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Across the western world, feminists decry the existence of a 'wage gap' as an excuse for all kinds of discrimination against men, from spending initiatives of millions on educating females even though males are already doing worse, to legislation denying men the opportunity of advancing on merit. The 'wage gap' or 'pay gap' shows that when you total all of the gross pay to men who work full time (typically, 35 hours a week or more) and all of the gross pay to women who work full time, it shows that men are higher earners. This fact is then used to pretend that for the same job, or doing the same work, women are paid less even though there has been legislation against doing so for almost everyone's working life (and such legislation is used but not much).
When you take any two demographics and compare their incomes, you are almost certainly going to find a difference. The demographics could be Young people compared to old people;Coloured people compared to colourless people;Religious people compared to atheists;Women compared to men;Children of single parents compared to those from two-parent families.Or just about anything else you think of. There will almost certainly be a difference.
There is then a choice. Do you want to take a political/ideological position and pretend that the difference is 'obviously' due to discrimination against those earning more? Or do you want to take a scientific view and look into the reasons for why there is a difference.
Obviously, if you don't take into account the hours worked by the two groups (including overtime), you don't have a proper comparison. Likewise the average occupational danger (reflected in the proportion of workplace deaths, for example); or the average time in the same company; or whether one group tends to look for flexible working hours while the other tends to go for higher-paid but less flexible jobs; or a comparison of job risk
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Just stop right there and read that last line again. It's a formal phrase addressing a mixed group, so embedded in our culture that it is easy to miss the misandry that has been there all along.
It is almost as though a feminist travelled back in time, to around the late 16th century, and messed around with the English language. The phrase used to be "gentlemen and gentlewomen."
'Lady' has always been the feminine equivalent of 'Lord.' 'Gentleman' has always been associated with a lower social class than 'Lady'.
So every time a room full of men and women has been addressed formally with that easy phraseLadies and gentlemennot only is it notable that the females are always addressed first but they are accorded the honorary highest title, while the males come in second as a lower class of person.
There is so much more that is important for the men's movement to address in the world than stuff like this, which is why I am posting this piece in my personal blog rather than on the forum. Yet language says a great deal about a society and for many centuries it has been quite acceptable to address men as lower-class than women.
So, Men and women,
Think before you use a misandric phrase too freely!
As part of the experiment, participants also had to rate the content on a questionnaire to say how it made them feel. As expected, women said they felt more emotional in response to the content compared to the men. However, even though men reported feeling less emotion than women, their physiological changes showed that in fact they felt emotion more strongly.
“This study suggests that men feel emotion just as much as women, sometimes more strongly, but are less willing to express these emotions openly due to expectations put on them by society.”
I've always enjoyed how studies by non-feminist groups that clearly don't have a hateful agenda manage to actually say something nice about men once in a while.. and women too, I'm sure. Every time there's a feminist 'study' you can bet your last dollar that the findings will be along the lines of "women are victims", "men are to blame" or "women are better than men". Always. Guaranteed. Without fail. Try it - place a bet and watch as your winnings come rolling in.
And to finish off with a high, watch this heart-warming video by Dove... about time too, Dove have spent years telling society how only women matter - thanks Dove for finally acknowledging men. New research shows men are more emotional than women
(submitted to A Voice for Men verbatim as below)
Cultural Misandry, Institutional Misandry, and Feminism: One man's views By Ron Collins (aka Rof L Mao Esq. @ antimisandry.com) May 2014 (earlier version & discussion at http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-main/cultural-misandry-institutional-misandry-feminism-55171.html)
Preface: First off, let me say I have very much enjoyed the reception I've met with in my first four articles published here at A Voice for Men. Each of them has its roots in posts, threads or blogs I have placed on the Antimisandry forums, and I have come over (thanks, Dean) to AVFM these past few months in search of a different and possibly wider audience, primarily to see how well my ideas hold up in that larger purview. I must say I am pleased with the results. Comments, good ones, have been about the topics and not the writer, which may be the best compliment a readership can pay an author on this sort of material. Some of my views on gender politics and interpersonal gender relations both may be controversial, here within the M(H)RM confines of men’s websites and certainly in the larger world. So be it. I look for clarity of thought within ideas, rather than ideological or political advantage that may be gained by chanting facsimiles of ideas. This does not often sit well within movement environments, and I accept that. But in these writings I seek to elaborate on, and hopefully clarify, just how it is I see these issues. According to (presumably) Dean’s blurb about me, pretty well my only credential here, is that I have “been an observer”, which is about right. I'm not a big fan of credentials and resumes anyway: if what I write makes sense, it is self-endorsing. If not, hey, a guy tries. Born in 1960 and arriving at manhood during the chaotic, amoral, revolutionary 70s, yes, I have had my chances (suffice it to say) to observe what is happening
Do any of you know TheAmazingAtheist? I love this guy's channel, it's an interesting way to see the world in a much clearer light. He primarily takes issue with Religion, but he does do a few videos on Feminism or feminist-related issues.
If you know him, I would like to hear your opinion. I personally like him.
HI WMP, I wondered if you could explain something that has confused me a little.. I recently spent some time at my Sister's & Niece's home for a coffee. Whilst there, my Niece showed me her certificate with your logo (and thus affiliation & support) as linked: (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...7649453&type=1).
My Niece explained to me how it was a girls-only event, boys were banned for what, as far as she could tell, was no good reason aside from blatant discrimination. How does the Cognitive Dissonance work with that, doing away with discrimination - by discriminating against half the population? Could you explain why you condone sexism & misandry? And perhaps you could explain other issues too, such as your poster campaigns always pretending only women are victims of DV (when it's an established fact that women initiate DV some 70% of the time) and why you only portray men negatively in most other poster campaigns? Am I to assume the Police are either too scared to credit women for their own crimes & behaviours or is it that the police simply feel it's acceptable to attack the silent victims (i.e. men don't have groups akin to feminists who scream & cry everytime something offends a man)? Which is it? I look forward to your excuses.. I mean, answers. Regards,
Domestic violence against men isn't always easy to identify, but it can be a serious threat. Know how to recognize if you're being abused — and how to get help.Women aren't the only victims of domestic violence. Understand the signs of domestic violence against men, and know how to get help. Recognize domestic violence against men Domestic violence — also known as domestic abuse, battering or intimate partner violence — occurs between people in an intimate relationship. Domestic violence against men can take many forms, including emotional, sexual and physical abuse and threats of abuse. It can happen in heterosexual or same sex relationships. It might not be easy to recognize domestic violence against men. Early in the relationship, your partner might seem attentive, generous and protective in ways that later turn out to be controlling and frightening. Initially, the abuse might appear as isolated incidents. Your partner might apologize and promise not to abuse you again. In other relationships, domestic violence against men might include both partners slapping or shoving each other when they get angry — and neither partner seeing himself or herself as being abused or controlled. This type of violence, however, can still devastate a relationship, causing both physical and emotional damage. You might be experiencing domestic violence if your partner: Calls you names, insults you or puts you downPrevents you from going to work or schoolStops you from seeing family members or friendsTries to control how you spend money, where you go or what you wearActs jealous or possessive or constantly accuses you of being unfaithfulGets angry when drinking alcohol or using drugsThreatens you with violence or a weaponHits, kicks, shoves, slaps, chokes or otherwise hurts you, your children or your petsAssaults you while you're sleeping, you've been drinking or you're
I noticed a poster advertising an information event about a new package of EU funds available for use in Ireland. People could apply for grants from this budget to fund projects that would create jobs or training initiatives, and help provide housing for the homeless. Finally, I thought, at least something is being done to help those people that need it most. I went to the event already wondering if I would be able to re-think my opinion of those stuffy mandarins in Brussels. Maybe I shouldn’t have been so cynical.
There was a large banner over the entrance. “The European Social Fund” it read. “Promoting Gender Equality in Ireland.”……… Ah!
The cavernous hall was dotted with little stalls, staffed, mostly by women who worked for various pointless government agencies. Pride of place was given predictably enough, to the National Women’s Council of Ireland whose success in its long history of promoting “gender equality” was evident by the fact that of the hundreds of people in the hall, there were only a handful of men.
Having initiated conversations with some of the people (personing) these stands, it soon became apparent that most of them were the usual brainwashed box-tickers who had undoubtedly gotten their jobs through affirmative action initiatives, and that none of them would have lasted 24 hours in a job where they were actually expected to do anything.
I walked over to the Women’s Aid stall, festooned with pictures of brutish men and bruised, frightened women and children. “Home is where Fear Lives,” was the cheerful message.
It was quite obvious why there were no men at the event. Hidden in one corner behind the European Woman’s Fund, was a little stand staffed by one lost looking elderly woman from Threshold; the one organisation represented, that actually does try to help people, without checking first to make sure that they don’t have penises.
A woman from the Irish Council
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