Musings of a Pro-Human Woman

In the femisphere lately especially I Blame the Patriarchy, Radical Pro-Feminist, and Feministe, all seem to target the issue of woman only spaces, and then I got to wondering about man only spaces(if they ever come into being).

The problem historically with such places is that they usually exclude trans-women and I'd imagine the same would happen at man only spaces that trans-men would be excluded from that space. For once, I think Twisty got it right, if a space is woman only, than it should include trans-women as well. Period. But what about the man only spaces? Would these places exclude trans men as well? I hope not. These people are men now, they have the equipment and identify as men, I see no reason to exclude them.

Julian Real's arguments were predictable:

So what's going on now is that people--mostly gender liberals and gender conservatives, mostly NON-trans people, are rushing the gates of women raised as girls' [lack of] rights to define, defend, protect, and empower themselves. The gate-rushers (is there even a gate?) do so to defend the rights of those who have had or still have male privilege. These pro-male voices are flooding liberal spaces DEMANDING that women raised as girls MUST ACCOMMODATE AND ACCEPT some or all male-privileged people as only women in WOMEN-ONLY SPACES. Do women raised as girls get to be treated as ONLY HUMAN ever (and not as gendered at all)? Do women raised as girls have the social privileges, entitlements, and power to tell everyone else "who I am REALLY"? No. Not so much. But some Western radical feminists, often but not always lesbian-identified would like to think that might be possible to both define and defend such spaces, now that male supremacy and male domination of women has been challenged in the West for at least forty years.

What horseshit! Transphobia at it's best. These people have lost quite a bit of "privilege" becoming female.

This whole Western assault on women/wimmin-only space by people who are behaving in the most GLARINGLY pro-patriarchal ways is, in the view of this blogger, socially conservative and oppressive and controlling to women raised as girls. I see it that way based on what women/wimmin tell me. And based on what I see happening to radical feminism, lesbian feminism, and wimmin-only spaces in the last fifteen years. They are under social assault, as they always have been. But now there's a new continent of people (liberals who are pro-trans), who are making liberal arguments for why it is women raised as girls ought not have spaces that are only for women raised as girls.

Bullshit. They don't define "woman", every individual born-woman or trans-woman define it themselves, just as men(born or trans) define what it means to be a man themselves. I think it's bullshit that a fringe group of lesbians get to define what it means to be a woman, Mr. Real.

How ISN'T that male domination at work? In what ways isn't that a function and expression of male domination? Does radical feminism, lesbian feminism, and women's liberation get supported in spaces where men and male-privileged people are allowed in to? Not in my experience, with few exceptions. Male supremacy and male dominance never take a holiday, unlike the super-privileged men who possess the social power to name other people's realities.

Hahahahaha! You're hilarious! Men don't define who I am, these "super-privileged" men don't get to define me, because I define myself. Your lunatic rantings seem awfully a lot like Glen Beck's right about now.

But, to continue, what about man only spaces? Would born-men allow trans-men into them? My husband doesn't really identify as a man, he identifies as simply male, I'd like to think that even he would be allowed into man only spaces. Shouldn't he get the right to define himself instead of a group of people? I think so.

So I ask my MRA readers, if there were man only spaces like woman only spaces, would you exclude trans-men? Why or why not?
Originally posted on:
http://musingsofaprohuman.blogspot.c...aces-what.html