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  1. Percy's Avatar
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    Why did the voting rights go through? For women and previously un-franchised men?

    The war saw one in three men killed or wounded in Britain. Many of the 'voting class' of men were amongst them. It was a massive reduction in the rationale of power by the Politicians. They NEEDED votes.

    The British politicians copied the West Australian Colony Governor in 1900 who enfranchised the women of Perth solely to get more votes than the gold-mining men of Kalgoorlie ( they had 'property', even if it was only a few square feet of desert ) who were against WA joining the Federation of Australia. Those men were the wealth producers that the Colony depended upon.
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    A fine tale, Lana. I am only sorry I had not read this sooner.
  3. Lanavor22's Avatar
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    Hi Julie.

    Thanks for your comment. I will try to answer it without going on for two long but I can't promise))

    Like you, I am involved in a lot more than just bitching from the sidelines. I am involved in a lot of activity on the ground and I am used to paying the price in terms of hate-mail and public denouncement. Since “coming out” as someone who is opposed to feminism, I have discovered first hand, just how vicious and toxic feminists can be in their efforts to silence anyone who questions their mostly unfounded pronouncements.

    On AM today I noticed a post by a male user about a Russian woman, horrifically beaten by her boyfriend. The sense of disgust that these MRAs felt at the injuries inflicted upon this woman was palpable. Now I wonder how feminists react when a man is seriously injured by a woman. Actually I don’t wonder. I have seen it many times and it’s always the same. A man who beats a woman is roundly condemned by MRAs. On the other hand a woman for example, who cuts off her boyfriend’s penis, is loudly applauded by feminists. That’s the difference. Violence against women is rightly condemned by everybody. Violence against men is hilarious! Isn’t “gender equality” wonderful?

    After reading your post, I did a little online research about “educational” campaigns designed to teach boys how they should treat women. I found too many to count – “Teach him to respect women” – “Teach men not to rape” – “She fears you” – are just a few of the titles. I could not find one campaign anywhere that’s designed to teach girls to respect men. But these campaigns are not designed to teach people anything anyway, they are just more state-funded propaganda designed to massage the collective female ego and demonise men; to turn all men into brutes in the social conscious and turn all women into helpless victims.

    It works too. And then this false consciousness is used to justify all kinds of special programmes and projects for women, affirmative action initiatives and all of the associated discrimination in favour of women. Much of this is of course heavily funded by the state and presided over by indoctrinated ivory-tower ideologues with “gender studies” or sociology degrees, who have absolutely know knowledge of the real world and no inclination to find out. After all, their entire education was designed to blind them to reality and indoctrinate them to see the world only through the prism of the socio/political orthodoxy of the day.

    You misrepresented Erin Pizzy. You suggested that she claimed that women instigated the abuse they received; that she was somehow “victim blaming.” She did not. Pizzy was always very unambiguous in what she said. She said that some women instigated the violence, that in many cases the violence was reciprocal, that in many cases the women were innocent victims, and that in many cases the men were victim. Pizzy never downplayed the seriousness of domestic violence against either men or women. She just pointed out that it was a lot more complicated than feminists have tried to paint it. Pizzy after all, spent many years helping battered women, something quickly forgotten by feminists as soon as she began to question the destructive, tunnel-visioned dogma of feminism.

    Erin Pizzy never argued that victims of violence whether male or female, should not be considered victims and to suggest that she did just reminds me of typical feminist shaming tactics. She questions politically correct doctrine so therefore she must be discredited. She can’t be countered on her very valid opinions which she has formulated from years of experience, so let’s just make up lies about her and try to suggest that she somehow tolerates violence against women.

    You ask who can tackle the problem of domestic violence if not feminists. The problem is that feminist advocacy is not tackling the problem. By expanding the definitions of DV to include things like a raised voice, they are deliberately muddying the waters and making it impossible for genuine victims of abuse to be heard. By spreading half-truths and lies and manufactured statistics, and then slandering anyone who questions them, feminists are directly facilitating domestic violence against both women men and children.

    I am not surprised by your quote from your feminist colleague - "We have only been at this since 1987 and that's a small amount of time compare to 1000's of years". –
    What I do find astonishing is your answer to it. “She's not wrong for saying that and I took it on board”

    I am a historian by profession and I know of no period, anywhere throughout history, in any part of the world, where women had it harder than men, or where women were subjected to more violence than men. Both women and men were oppressed for most of human history. Mostly it was the majority of poor men and women being oppressed by a minority of rich men and women. Although life was unfair and although women were always discriminated against, men were always discriminated against too but often in much harsher ways. Try telling a seventeen year old boy bleeding to death in a trench that he is privileged! Try telling a forty year old man coughing his last breath into a pitch black pit two miles underground that he had a privileged life. This is the reality of the history that feminism is trying to re-write.

    I am not sure what you mean about Ireland being “on to it,” I have a good understanding of the social and political scene in Ireland and I see no evidence that Ireland as a country has even the slightest understanding of the problems feminist ideology has caused, how deeply it has infected every part of Irish society or the damage it is doing to both men and women and to relations between them – just look at the most obvious signs – spiralling divorce rates, marriage rates plummeting, birth rates falling, prison populations exploding, education system overburdened with the dysfunctional products of single-mother-welfare households funded by a state held hostage to feminist ideology; The state coffers haemorrhaging money to support these over-entitled products of decades of feminist dependency culture.

    I cannot argue with you on the culture of Pacific Islands so I must defer to your knowledge in that case. I grew up in the Soviet Union / Russia, and worked in various countries across Europe and the Middle East before settling in Ireland, so I have a pretty good view of those parts of the world but I know nothing about the Pacific area.

    I do know that in the western world, every study ever conducted concludes that more children are abused by women than men. This may be partly due to the fact that women spend a lot more time around children than men do so like most things, it’s a lot more complicated than the picture on the box. It also depends on specifically what kind of abuse you are talking about and how you define abuse. Most child abuse cases in the UK for example are cases of chronic and prolonged neglect, closely followed by physical attacks. Sexual abuse of children, contrary to feminist inspired popular belief, is actually the rarest form of child abuse. Most adults, male and female are naturally averse to harming children, but the fact remains that statistically speaking, a child is safest with its biological father.

    Nobody is saying that women are not abused and nobody is saying that these problems don’t need to be addressed. My contention is that it is a human rights issue, not a gender one. Feminism, by its insistence on only looking at one side of the coin, by blinding itself and society to the suffering of half the population of the planet simply because they are male, is adding considerably to the overall panorama of human-rights abuses worldwide.

    I am sure you can tell me horrific stories of young girls being sold for boxes of beer. I can match each one with a story of a young boy being sold into bonded labour, destined to be worked to an early death or die trying to escape.

    I was recently admonished by a feminist who accused me of condoning the public flogging of women in Yemen for very minor crimes. Feminists love to build these straw men. Of course I had not
    condoned the flogging of anyone anywhere. I had simply pointed out that men are also routinely flogged in Yemen for the smallest of infractions. I had also pointed out that men are hanged in horrific numbers in Yemen where women rarely receive a death sentence for the same crime. Women convicted of a capital crime in Yemen often have their sentences commuted to a flogging. Men are rarely given this mercy. I was simply pointing out that as usual, feminists were looking only at one side of the coin and refusing to see the complete human picture. Anyone who points this out to them is predictably bombarded with the routine cowardly slurs and accusations that they somehow condone the abuse of women.

    Where feminists see a gender issue, I see a human-rights one. I prefer to fight against the abuse of people irrespective of what they’ve got in their trousers and the biggest enemy in that battle is a toxic, hypocritical, hateful ideology called feminism.

    So yes I despise feminism in all its forms and I make no secret that anyone who is a feminist can expect nothing from me but contempt. There are many, many women who share my views and according to the latest Guardian UK survey, our numbers are growing steadily. We believe in true equality under the law you see. We believe that society can only recover when feminism is destroyed, a little of the trust and human decency between the sexes can be restored, and all people can expect to be treated in a fair and just way, irrespective of whether they are male or female.

    Sorry for the long response and I hope your having a nice weekend.

    Lana
    Updated 3 Weeks Ago at 12:08 AM by Lanavor22
  4. julie's Avatar
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    Sorry for my long comment. I didn't realise how long it was.

    Read only if your bored, lol. Otherwise, have a lovely day.
  5. julie's Avatar
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    I've been involved in men's and women's issues for 8 years now, and I'm proud of myself for daring to do more than bitch and moan from the sidelines. Although, I give credit to my comrades who've managed to stay on the sideline for doers are always going to say to a moaner, "Show me how it's done. Come join us and fix the problems you moan about". (my comrades have told me over the years they don't want to actually do something about the problems) I don't know how they managed to keep only moaning, lol. Good for them.

    ................ On another note ..............

    I noticed a post by Dr T the other day on a voice for men and she was suggesting society teach boys about BAD women and said when she googled 'teach boys about bad women' she couldn't find anything...... I then googled 'teach girls about bad men' and came up with the same sites she did which means no one's taken the incentive to teach either sex, lol.

    ............. back to this post..............

    You are fortunate to be in Ireland for it's a small country, Lana. It won't take you long to learn how things work from politicians all the way down to someone collecting money on the street.

    It's excellent that resources are available to tackle social issues IMO, but I will say from experience, that it's hard work to start something from scratch. I am reminded of a feminists I had fired, well, really, she just went to another organisation where she handled a bank's resources and could promote women's issues. She said to me, "We have only been at this since 1987 and that's a small amount of time compare to 1,000's of years". She's not wrong for saying that and I took it on board even though I continued to threaten the organisation for having her control resources. It would have been a major takeover of community resources and thank goodness I did that.

    Like you Lana, I see lots of promotional events like the one you visited. I too am frustrated to see resources spent on brochures, fridge magnets, stickers, DVDs and on and on. I too an frustrated that the only things they promote for men is "How to treat women". "How to support women", "How to support equality".

    But in the real world, when I get up each day, I know I am faced with men everywhere that treat women as 2nd class citizens. I live in the Pacific with whole islands of men who don't know any different. As much as I'll support a white father who went to university, came from a good nuclear family, I am aware my neighbour across the road was sold along with her sisters to a stranger for a box of beers when she was a small girl, I am aware the neighbour to my left .... the neighbour to my right, the young girls 2 doors down, this father and that father..... I am aware boys have also been badly harmed by their fathers who were harmed by their fathers and on and on it goes.

    I am also aware there's a lot of mothers who abuse children and that at least one pacific island has the opposite. These men have been on TV for in their culture, the woman are the abusive ones. They are a matriarchy culture. I am also aware 'victim's support' gets referrals from police and many of their referrals are men abused by women.

    Thing is, what to do? It's all good running feminists down, but then what? Who else is tackling this situation? Researchers can argue till the cows come home over who does what in domestic violence, but researchers don't fix the problem.

    ..............

    Getting back to Dr T's post about 'teaching boys about BAD women".

    Dr T believes support should be available for men who are the victims in domestic violence. She thinks someone should be doing something to support THEM and that their abusive women should be held accountable for the abuse (not the man).

    But here-in lies the problem and her post brought it out nicely ........ Anti feminist Erin Pizzy, who ran the first women's refuge in the 1970's says women instigate the abuse they receive and that was posted as a comment by a man on Dr T's post as well as other comments turning the post from men to women.

    Not only do feminists have to try and come up with ways to change society, they have to do it while men and women like Erin Pizzy argue women should not be considered a victim - but there's more - they are also responsible for their abuse which means the Pacific Islands around me where beating up your women is the norm get the message that the women deserve to be abused and men don't need to change.

    It's more complicated than one realises, IMO. But I have good news for you Lana. Ireland is onto it. The government has been planning things for decades and it's all coming together like the 20 odd year plans have finally reached their destination. I think you are going to see big changes, soon.
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    On a more optimistic note though, I was attending with two friends, one of whom volunteers for the Dublin Simon Community. We we all saw the sheer lunacy in it all and it's safe to assume that there were other people in that hall who were thinking the same. I hope that the reasons feminists keep re-inventing new realities ever more quickly is because their old realities keep getting shot down by an ever more aware population. Maybe that's just wishful thinking but we have to keep plugging away.
  7. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    Another example of a movement unprepared for the success of its objectives: it won't be long before this "equality" has no meaning at all other than whatever gender ideologues say it means, even if "equality" means a female monopoly in professions women feel safe pursuing, and a continued male majority in all the gruesome, spider-killing chores the gals can't be bothered with, the jobs that disable and kill men and benefit women daily, meaning just about anything involving tools or heavy equipment.

    It is an ideological trap, to set up shop permanently on the basis of "grievances", when you have to keep re-inventing reality in order to keep saying grievances exist at all. I guess these people won't be satisfied until every male is in internment camps, sent out as work gangs to keep the women's world running, or breeding stock just in case AI doesn't cover the demand of women who want to pursue the self-fulfilling dream of single motherhood.
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    A great tribute to what must have been a marvellous man.
  9. Percy's Avatar
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    Yes, the cowboy bar-fight is as much myth as the modern car-chase / exploding vehicles and buildings / shootouts by heroic dropouts genre, but it speaks to a mind-set. The general observations you speak to seem accurate though.
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    Down the last ten years I have worked a lot on building sites, you should hear the banter there, men call each other all the names under the sun, and yet everyone knows that it is not meant.



    I remember when I was about six years old, saying to myself, “Why can`t men be more like women, women don`t drink too much, don`t smoke cigarettes, don`t use foul language and don`t get drunk ?” how things have changed.
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    I agree completely. Men get into fights too, but I do wonder how accurate those westerns are. Were cowboys really always itching for a fight? I am sure those were tough guys who would not be afraid to stand their ground, but I'm not convinced that they were unable to take a bit of a ribbing without throwing a punch.

    I suppose one thing that stuck me was that men have unwritten rules when it comes to banter. They slag each other off in ways that would cause any woman to begin screaming about being offended. Yet no fists fly and nobody seems to mind. In fact they all seem to enjoy it. I think yet again that feminist culture is encouraging women to emulate men in ways they are naturally unable to achieve.

    I understand that men, especially young men, sometimes get drunk and behave like animals. I do think though that women are overtaking them in that respect, certainly where I live. I also think that women get far drunker far more quickly. When you see a drunken young person lying in the gutter these days, it is more likely to be a woman than a man.

    The other problem is that society forbids any discussion of this. Sure we can give out about the antics of young men, but when confronted with the shocking behaviour of drunken women, the official line seems to be - Well men do it too - You go girl.
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    Nice one Lana. Observations from a sober woman.

    The picture is drawn well and perhaps confined by the walls of that pub. Can we generalise?

    Perhaps.

    There are many other occasions to observe when men do provoke with nastiness, and the fists fly. Heck, hardly a 'Western' film has been made without a bunch of cowboys itching for a fight in a 'saloon' and making one.

    Your modern observation though rings truer.
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    Sounds like he was a top guy, the sort we'd call the salt of the Earth... Sadly missed by those who knew him.
  14. michelle0001's Avatar
    Excellent article and I am pleased that AVFM ran it.

    You have successfully summed up exactly what the problem with VAWA is and why exactly one might question it that isn't the usual MRM "feminism is bad" tone.

    I haven't read every word and link you've so generously shared, I have followed quite a bit of it though. No matter one's views on domestic violence or what one may believe as to who exactly is the main perpetrators of such, this program does not pass the smell test. Looking at it from the view of only a tax-payer, I don't appreciate my tax money being given to folks who at the least are just wasting money and at worst, wasting (and downright misusing) money in a misguided and destructive attempt to fund feminism and misandry.

    This is likely the only way to get anyone to look at this program with a critical eye. Still, no one seems to want to run the risk of being judged as being a part of the war on women so maybe I am being too optimistic.

    BTW, our local shelter which I have supported over the years does not accept federal funds, surprise surprise! They also accept battered men.
  15. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    This blog entry is the original source of an article run under the same title on the front page of A Voice for Men, on February 18, 2014.

    http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism...-is-essential/

    As a historic note, the blog was NOT presented to AVFM as an article submission. It was sent in a mass email naming Dr Warren Farrell as primary addressee, with Dean Esmay (managing editor at AVFM) listed as one of dozens of CC recipients. Dean contacted me and asked if he could run the piece on AVFM, and after some discussion I agreed and he ran it verbatim on the front page of that site.

    Due to the high volume and fast pace of AVFM front-page content, the article is now another archived item that probably received the bulk of its readership within two or three days of its publication. Here at Antimisandry we have a unique capability, through the digital magic I call "queue-bumping", to bring older items back to the top of the magnificent new "recent content" page.

    This piece contains links to the bulk of, though not all of, my materials as posted here at AM on the topic of VAWA and its programs, which I may well rank on a higher scale of immediate relevancy to men's causes than many do, and demonstrably higher than AVFM's management has shown. Here I give it a "bump" so that the article and the materials it leads to can remain available to our readers and members.

    Thanks, Ron Collins (Rof L Mao Esq at your service)
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    Quote Quote from Marx
    I'm not sure I follow what this post is about?
    Marx, the way the court document was was prepared by me was in legal format. I was disappointed and to tired to change it. I hope it wasn't anything I did. I was just about to upload my research database that would no doubt answer many questions for a lot of members. Do you have plans for another site? If not I know Rof and I would like to see you condense your most influential contacts for Linked-In. I really didn't the chance to learn to navigate this site. I understand many issues on the site, but when some exercise there 1st amendment in a to the limit and above, I understand this issue as well. I am truly sad that this has to be shut down. I would be more than happy to help fund it, and perhaps after my case hits the courts I may have funding available to do just that. The document in question contains a list of the defendants, a long list of charges totaling 146. These charges apply to 8 people all ADA's judges, attorney DHS workers Doctors and a large sum of Law enforcement. message me if you can. Keep in touch.
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    I'm not sure I follow what this post is about?
  19. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    The feminizing of "power & control" into an all-purpose explanation for violence against women presents men with a number of dilemmas, going beyond just dealing with the hypocrisy and double standard of it all. Yes, that double standard grants license to women to commit all the forms of abuse on a man by validating the assumption that it must be retaliative abuse, therefore self-defense. A man who does not believe that two wrongs make a right has to stand by and see that exact playground code being used against him, and if he has never done any harm to a woman in the first place, further endure the presumption that since a woman has committed abuses on him, this somehow proves in itself that he had it coming.

    But it's worse than that. I find myself in the grip of a conundrum of being "the man who knew too much." I spend a year trying to decode and discredit a system that makes legal victims of men in identifying women by default as victims of our patriarchal impulses. The natural mechanism to get through all the materials I find that use "vast majority" math to explain how domestic violence is solely a women's issue, is to begin denying that violence against women is real at all, or at best to assume that it's mostly a vast exaggeration used to justify feminist programs. But that is more than misleading, it is rank dishonesty. Violence against women IS real, there ARE abusive men, and to think otherwise is no better than the pseudoscience reasoning that men only try to get our children back as a way to have access to abuse their mothers.

    And it's a lot more than just crying "whatabouttehmenz" for us to stand up and say, wait, we are talking about real abuses, of men, women and children, and the feminist monopoly on the programs ultimately serves NONE of them. By denying male victims' existence, it alienates and crushes men, converts women into soljas of da sistahood, and gives children a lifetime of messages that not only their father, but ALL men, are little more than abusive monsters, and mostly can be done without.

    So the natural defense in trying to grasp all this is to tell myself, "this victim thing is just a lot of whining", etc. And what does that do? It causes me to deny, outright ignore, the fact that all of the conduct toward ME in this relationship I am trying to outlive, has been abusive and I its victim.

    And that pretty well describes the whole systematic approach. Men accused of using the courts to abuse women, are in turn abused by women through the courts. Men trying to defend ourselves from ongoing abuses with intimates are easily turned in the eyes of the law into the abusers by those intimates. AND, men entrapped in relationships, especially with the mothers of our children, that are thoroughly abusive toward us, survive by denying that the allegations against us are real and blind ourselves to the fact that, yes, the abuses are real, but going the other way.

    So we play right into the feminist mindset: that no man can truly be a victim of abuse. By assuming that all these women are just whining and gaming the system, we prohibit ourselves from asserting our own right to be free of these very real forms of conduct against us.

    All I can conclude is that we have to find our compassion, to stop assuming that all the women are just making it up, learn to tell the difference between the real and the false, and allow ourselves to know that what we ourselves are experiencing is real (even if it takes reading a feminist website and swapping the gender references to finally get it).

    This, again, confirms my approach all along, that men cannot just play at gender war and movement politics. That men must show ourselves as manly by showing a capacity to cut through all the bullshit from BOTH forms of anarchistic radicalism that are perpetuating gender war, and assert ourselves as guardians of genuine truth that is beyond and above the politics.
  20. Marx's Avatar
    When I was married I looked up the Duluth power & control wheel and read out the various tactics employed - and pointed out to my then wife that she engages in nearly every single one of them. There was literally one or two exceptions but for the most part she or her mother or both had at one or another time employed just about every tactic listed as 'power and control'.

    Here's a good article on how women are absolved though...
    AM Articles - The Duluth Model-A Glass Ceiling for Female Villainy
  21. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    The worst thing about any kind of recovery, and the reason people so avoid it because they know it's waiting for them, is,

    IT DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING. All it does is leave you face to face with all you have left untended.

    I guess step two is to begin to believe I can manage it, and that's where I'm at, and brothers and sisters,

    IT'S A BITCH.
  22. michelle0001's Avatar
    Powerful stuff my friend. I doubt I could add much of value beyond what Douglas and NowHearThis said but I feel like I just witnessed a huge spiritual leap. I thank you for sharing this with us. It is important. So many people, even if they aren't victims of violence sign up to be victims in other ways. You described how this happens beautifully.

    At the risk of quoting a feminist, it sounds like you have had quite an "ah ha moment". Good for you! My brother calls those "pa-dings". You know, kind of like an explanation point in a thought bubble when you all of a sudden see something obvious that you've never seen before. . . PA-DING! Lol.
  23. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Of course some would argue that in order for a person to abuse another, he or she must see something that is "inferior" or "weaker" in the other person. But it's not always that simple.
    One of the consistent things I find in trying to have online discussions with women in the DV field (though few will engage me any more) is their uses of terms like "as a survivor, I..." and "my abuser", as if they continue to define themselves in the role that someone's abusive conduct to them placed them in. In fact, among these women, the "survivor" label along with graphic narratives of the abuses by way of credentials seem to be worn as some kind of badge of honor.

    Myself, I find no honor in what I have thus far survived nor in my finally being willing to see it for what it is, though I find no shame either. But I resolve not to fall into the trap of letting this one person define me in the future, even as a "survivor" because that just perpetuates the power and continues to pollute one's sense of self as being defined by another's actions.

    Quite frankly and candidly, it is the people I have met in person who frame their ideas and manners in terms of what someone else has done to them, and insist on legitimizing their lack of etiquette or respect for others in those terms, that make it harder for me than with anyone, to wonder if they didn't "have it coming". Such a horrible thought, and no, they didn't, but the weakness in an abuser is that inability to resist the weaknesses in others, and I have been dismayed at how few people will broach the topic of having been through abuses at all without their own way of presenting it being pretty creepy and repulsive in itself, as if they were baiting or daring the next abuser to just give it a try.

    I hope that this process doesn't turn me into one of those people.
  24. NowHearThis's Avatar
    I don't think I can sufficiently add to what Douglas said.

    But I'll say this. I've always maintained that DV or IPV (however one chooses to define it) is not a "gendered" issue. I will admit though, that early on I did believe (albeit mistakenly) that the majority of DV perpetrators were male. But even with that viewpoint, I never believed that when men are the abusers, that they all use violence to exercise patriarchal dominance. There are a few out there who are like that, but by and large, it is not the case. As you stated Rof, abuse tends to result from a feeling of powerlessness and the abuser's targets are those who just happen to be in the way.

    Of course some would argue that in order for a person to abuse another, he or she must see something that is "inferior" or "weaker" in the other person. But it's not always that simple.
  25. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Just now on LinkedIn someone posted a pro-ERA update with a clear message that this somehow would benefit primarily women.

    My reply on the homepage thread:

    Women in favor of the ERA, which I welcome wholeheartedly, may be in for a long chain of surprises when men, who have languished for half a century under the feminist definition of "equality" as "anything that favors women", begin to bring cases that demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt just how many forms of sex discrimination have been practiced on the male population, and petition our government for redress accordingly.
  26. Douglas's Avatar
    There is so much incredible value in what you write here, both for yourself and most other people.

    “Patriarchy” politics plus “vast majority” arithmetic thereby equals “violence against women” as the dominant programmatic mandate in addressing ALL abusive behavior.
    The evidence for this is all around the world. In the UK just now, for example, a major television programme is being rightly harangued for having what the the presenter said was a discussion about the full extent of the horror of 'domestic disharmony' including domestic violence, yet only talked of female victims and male perpetrators. Even if men were under 10% of sufferers, there would be no good reason to totally ignore them. Children weren't considered at all!

    I have nothing to gain from concentrating on either her culpability or her femaleness, as an easy excuse for me not to begin on my own initiative to bring my own life back to where it is mine to live, and not hers to further dismantle.
    You have to be aware of her (and quite possibly other people around her) culpability in order to examine her behavior to you, and forming that determination to keep well away from her. A victim of domestic abuse must keep their abuser's actions in mind so long as they still have any attraction or love, else it is too easy for the abused person to slip back into a relationship that continues to destroy them. Other than that, you are right: don't dwell on it overly, don't blame all women (or all redheads, or everyone over 30, or under 5'4" tall, or ...) and focus on yourself and your own life as an individual.

    Abusers learn their abusive conduct as victims, they acquire the obsession with power and control from their own experiences of having none, while someone else exercised them over their lives. Abuse rolls downhill, it is “kicking the dog” because the dog is there to be kicked, and will still love you, will try even harder to please you, will still defend you when you are attacked by anyone else.
    This is so well stated that I would applaud you if you could only hear me. You don't touch on it, but it is also the reason why concentrating only on violence against women can never solve even violence against women. The boy abused by a woman or a man grows into an abused man who will be likely to abuse a boy or girl in turn.


    I wish you the very best in your efforts to rid yourself not only of abuse but, as you say, being a target for abuse. You have many friends in the Men's Movement who will do what they can to help you recover.
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    This is very good. The messages jump out at you.

    Much better than reading sentences. Great eye catcher.

    I am going to use this format. It's brilliant.
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    Lol.

    For sure we have to look over our shoulder, search the area for danger, not put ourselves in dangerous situations and protect our children from dangerous people and situations, yet at the same time we should be able to go about life without being paranoid, attacked, etc, IMO. It would be so much nicer to feel safe and be able to trust other humans.

    Us humans can do better than what we are, surely. I think both side's arguments are important.

    BTW, a friend of mine advertised for a flatmate and the flatmate stole $15,000 worth of goods from inside her home. The insurance company won't pay out saying she invited the person into her home, thus no payout. Grrrr.
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    It seriously needs formatting. The wall of text is just impossible to read in it's current form. Just a few line-breaks dotted through-out so people know when they can breathe.
    I'm sorry for not getting to you anytime sooner. School is really a busy place. I'm going to add the full story here, because really I have no other safe place where I can present the story, without biased criticism.
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    I'd suggest avoiding it... Feminist favourite, Michael Kimmel, is heading this project.
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    Does anyone really want to go back to gender politics circa 1950? Most African-Americans I suspect would be reluctant to step back into racial politics circa 1950, much less 1850. I'm not sure it is either desirable or even possible to undo 60 years of feminism.


    I'm not sure it is either desirable or even possible to undo 60 years of feminism.

    waaaaaaaaal don't be so sure !!!!!!

    they sure did undo 70 odd years of the Soviet monolithic monster n pretty quick too

    you can't fool all of the people all of the time ABE LINCOLN
    In my experience, Russian men recognise the distinctive tang of Marxism at a distance, and know from bitter personal experience what it means in practice. I'm pretty confident about African-Americans not wanting to roll the clock back.

    It took 1000 years to evolve Chivalry, and 60 years for Feminism to kill it. We are not the men our Grandfathers were, and there is no way back to the 1950s.

    If women can persuade someone to pay for them to live out their own little "Doris Day" Theme Park, good luck to them. Women are brought up so entitled, and with such a strong feminist subtext, that I don't think they could fail to experience being cared for as a sense of oppression. I think they will lack men to underwrite their lifestyle.

    With Social Scientists observing documenting and comparing, if it turns out that a marriage circa 1950s turns out to be measurably superior, I would still not follow that model, because while I want to create children, I don't want to marry one.

    Because men are disinclined to be fathers, they may need a pro-fatherhood jurisdiction to encourage them. If things are this bad, then there will be a serious population collapse underway or imminent, and encouraging fathers will be an overriding policy priority. Such a pro-father jurisdiction would have no Alimony, a formulaic cash divorce settlement, and fathers as the default custodial parent. The children would get the marital home in the divorce, and the father would stay to care for the children. This would be called "Child Care".

    Women would have the option of marrying in this jrisdiction, or holding out to marry in a pro-mother jurisdiction. One can not constrain a woman from leaving you, nor should you. You can remove incentives. If she knows she will walk away with a cash settlement, and accomodation close by, from where she can visit the children, she will be disinclined to divorce trivially. If she finds a more dominant male, she wouldn't need her house, kids, and money, because such a man wouldn't care if she had them or not.

    A father undergoing a divorce would have his house and children around him, and undergo less stress and catastrophic disruption. He would also still have the resources with which to attract a second wife.
    Updated 29th-January-2014 at 02:30 AM by Nostradormouse (Typographical errors)
  32. fabrizzo's Avatar
    Excellent analogy,but diehard feminits would accuse u of objectivising,just because u "compared women bodies to a car".There's no making them admit that its merely an analogy.I guess its safe to assume men's bodies are worth more than platinum,otherwise isnt it a greater insult to be unworthy even of objectification?
    A safer bet would be to say:dont tell me not to walk off a cliff,tell gravity to stop working until its safe for me to land.
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    Trad-con re nostras post
    Does anyone really want to go back to gender politics circa 1950? Most African-Americans I suspect would be reluctant to step back into racial politics circa 1950, much less 1850. I'm not sure it is either desirable or even possible to undo 60 years of feminism.


    I'm not sure it is either desirable or even possible to undo 60 years of feminism.


    waaaaaaaaal don't be so sure !!!!!!

    they sure did undo 70 odd years of the Soviet monolithic monster n pretty quick too

    you can't fool all of the people all of the time ABE LINCOLN
  34. Douglas's Avatar
    It's an excellent video and pulls on a fair analogy.

    Even more analogous to the sprinters might be the world-class Tour de France cycling race. This gruelling race is open to everyone who can make the grade, yet last year there was a huge to-do around the world to end the 'discrimination' shown by women not being able to make the grade. Those few who realised that the Tour de France was open to everyone, started instead to call for a separate race just for women, which specifically barred men: they ignored that there had been such a race that the organisers had helped with but which so few people were interested in that it fizzled out.

    Apparently, men being able to be better than women at some things is 'discrimination against women'; men having an event that excludes women is 'discrimination against women'; women not having their own event that bans men is 'discrimination against women'. Men being worse off in any way - from crime, though homelessness and unemployment to education and loss of child custody is 'obviously' all down to men not being so good as women.

    And people STILL wonder why there is a need for a men's movement .. and still won't allow men's studies to be taught from a perspective of men having rights.
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    This is the most calm, cogent and incisive spokesmen for the MRM that has emerged over the past decade.
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    this guy is a brilliant analyst of the big clamouring new age lie viz tha western wimyn living high off of the hog in the First World suffer adverse discrimination and so more should be done to shoehorn them for even extra unearned advantage merely because of their genitalia
  40. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    This looks like satire to me. Both the young people had this expression like the script was almost too silly to play it seriously, the narrator sounds like something out of Rocky and Bullwinkle, and it's from a hip-hop channel. I think we've been had, folks.
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    I like it, Percy, and I am not unacquainted with the tactic. You may be familiar with the Christmas Eve cartoon affair endorsing assault with deadly weapons on men? The only difference between my application and the standard feminist one is, instead of being so "offended" as to go whining to LinkedIn management to have the "offending" cartoon banned, I posted it over and over again for days and around my contact base, allowing its "offensiveness" to speak for itself. That is, as you suggest, a tactic which could be used to greater gain and one which I support wholeheartedly.
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    A modern symptom of the current societal neurosis. And as usual you state it very well, Lana.

    It is a two-edged sword, the other edge of which we rarely use, even though it is an available parody-weapon. Perhaps we should mock the feminist in full flood by claiming - quite justifiably - that her words and assertions are 'offensive'.
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    Great essay, Lana, as usual.

    You could add to the PC lexicon the term "inappropriate", meaning the closer one comes to actually discussing a topic instead of intoning clichés about it, the more likely one is to be labeled as "inappropriate"; kind of like the New England Congresswoman recently asked to comment on Benghazi, who replied that the question was "inappropriate" because she had come to discuss the Middle East...(???)
  44. Lanavor22's Avatar
    I could only watch about half of it. I don't know which one is worse. The light bulb thing makes no sense anyway. Just turn the light off when you leave the room and turn the one on in the next room??? Putting the half eaten food back in the jars is really gross and probably very unhealthy.
  45. outdoors's Avatar
    That must be some type of illness.
  46. Percy's Avatar
    Not only 'controlling' but damned unhygienic too. Re-bottling foodstuffs that have been 'toyed with' on the plate just facilitates germs growing and spreading. She is neurotic.

    He is a weak, immature chap.
  47. michelle0001's Avatar
    Wow, that is more than a little bizarre. She sounds like the poster child for OCD.

    Your point is spot on. No man would ever get away with being that controlling over his wife. The baby monitor really bothered me. The fact that he is willing to debase himself by living with this piece of work is so sad. He is not allowed to live with any dignity. As if her behavior and his plight aren't bad enough, there were children in the video. I'm assuming they belong to the man and woman featured here. Those poor kids are going to need a ton of therapy when they're older. I can't imagine them surviving growing up in that household with healthy views on marriage.
  48. shaazam's Avatar
    that incarceration rate for wimyn of 7% must be a worry for the feminit push - those cells could be vacated by wimyn and reserved for men; they would argue
  49. Lanavor22's Avatar
    It's not even going to help the girl in the long run. She is going to be in for a big shock when she gets into her teens and begins to realise that she can no longer compete with male players. I played tennis when I was in school. I was pretty good too. I once challenged the leading male player to a three set match. I won't even tell you how it went, and I know he was going easy on me. Don't these people realise why sport is segregated by sex? is this another simple reality we are supposed to deny now?
  50. Douglas's Avatar
    It's not just the media that makes a difference in the treatment. It starts with the parents who expect special treatment for their daughters while tolerating second-place for their sons. It includes coaches who do all they can for the girls pushing into a mostly-male area but don't make that extra effort for a boy wanting entrance into a female-dominated area of sport. Politicians keep pandering to girls in sport and education despite boys being generally behind in these areas. Buyers possibly make the biggest difference, reflecting in a greater willingness to sponsor girls in many things than boys.

    It is a sad reflection on a society that pretends to equality of the sexes that it doesn't in any way attempt to achieve real equality.
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    A facebook group has a discussion on this very thread's topic. Long term AM member 6game posted a couple of links to sites showing women ogling men just as much.


    TubeCrush.net
    SubwayCrush.net

    Basically, it's just a blog with images of men snapped in & around train stations with the female uploaders drooling & melting over their desired snaps.

    One of the entries refers to a man as a 'pocket rocket', clearly implying he'd be a pleaser between the sheets for her (she who uploaded & published the image). Most of the blurb under each picture refers to the men as 'hotties' and the like.

    If we were to swap the sexes here, feminists would have highlighted these sites and others like them, using them as 'proof' of teh patriarchy and teh male gaze. Then we'd see bigots feminist groups going on a march through the stations, carrying placards claiming sites like this are part of their mythical 'rape culture' and then reminded every man & boy they got within bawling distance of that they were all rape apologists.

    Yes, it must be so nice being female.


    Now, some feminist reading this (with blood dripping from their eyes, no doubt) might ask why I'm so upset about a site filled with women's fantasy men (followed by a load of shaming tactics such as "you're jealous 'cuz your face is too ugly" or such like). Fact is, I'm not offended by images of hot men that women would like to slip under the sheets with.

    The offense comes from the hypocrisy of your movement. The double-standards whereby you'd scream blue murder if you saw a man snapping shots of various women & fantasizing about taking them upstairs. Websites like feministing.com would be up in arms & calling men perverts for simple biological urges.

    They wouldn't, you say?

    Oh...come now... remember when Jessica Valenti did her piece on the flesh light (male sex toy)? Yes, she called men perverts, used it as 'proof' that men objectify women and referred to them as disembodied female genitalia.

    Only a week or so later she did a review of a number of vibrators and graded them on their appeal. Of course she wasn't a pervert, nor was it proof that women objectify men and of course, nor was it referred to as disembodied male genitalia.
    Updated 8th-January-2014 at 01:13 PM by Marx
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    The above video has lyrics included - w00000!

    However, to condense it for those short on time... the lyrics read, roughly, alike to:

    "la la la, I am woman, I am better than men... la la la de de da la la la, I am a victim - always and always - but I'm still better and stronger than you... w00p w00p de b00p"
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    I have never heard that song Percy. I will see if I can find it online.
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    I just saw an episode of rumpel's past showing more of what happened to him.It was his wife who was initially concerned with his life and against him entering the war.Yet when he withdrew due to the prophesy of a seer telling him he was to have a son,thus fearing his son wouldnt have a father,his wife cruelly condemned him and said it'd be better for their son if he was dead rather than labelled a coward;then she continues to condemn her father in law.Clear display of patrialchy at its worst,inflicting shame on men who dont put their lives on the line(and most likely die and lose all family time n love);and also showing women who took it for granted and never stood in the husband's shoes to spare a thought or appreciate the intent
    There're more details but if u watched the series u'd know it,so i wont bore u
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    How can politicians be so weak as to be sensitive to tongue waggers like that?Just because someone accuse u of something doesnt make u that something.i can call u a burglar,does that make u one?Besides,they shouldve studied law,cant they put up an effective defense against this?
    So,britain is the first piece of domino to fall prey to them,and hence the rest of the world follows?And arab nations who refuse to follow suit and resist gets called all sorts of degradory names,when theyre probably the most sensible thing around.But even the wisest can fall if the pressure around them is great enough.I truly hope they dont cave in.
    Has anyone here written an article spelling out every single truth of patrialchy and highlighting the areas where fems try to exaggerate,and where they try to deny existence;and hence to show how men are as much hurt by this patrialchy that fems are so often claiming to be the bane of women alone?Patrialchy or its idealogy is the thing most cited by fems to discredit men's voices.If we can prove our innocence and victimhood beyond a shadow of doubt,they wont have their way so easy
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    So,all in all,women tend to be selfish while men tend to be selfless?here a point to take about inequality in mentality itself!and to think fems still claim men only "care about men's rights".It's wholly injustice that the liars get away with lying,passing it as truth and accusing their sins upon the innocent.If retribution exist then they should be receiving it.
    There's no way i can overlook a politician who cares not for men's rights.Any politician trying to suck up and butter the women groups really earn my disgust.If i had more power i'd vote them off the board.
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    I think getting the vote set a huge precedent. Early feminists may not have won the vote for women (that was given to them) but they claimed it as a victory anyway. They were also aware that they had gained equality with men in terms of citizenship rights but, most importantly, they had kept their female privileges which absolved them from having to accept the equal burdens that should have accompanied those rights. I don't think that was lost on later feminists who have been campaigning successfully for equal rights but without equal responsibilities ever since.

    As for politicians: I do think there is a fundamental difference in the way women and men vote. Men tend to vote both on the issues that effect them directly as individuals and on the wider issues such as the economy etc. Women tend to vote on the issues that effect them directly and on issues they consider to effect women in general. Women are often motivated to vote on "womens issues". Men never vote on mens issues. Politicians are well aware of this and well aware that if they are not seen to be "pro-woman" then they have little chance of being elected. Women will simply not vote for a politician who is seen to be anti-woman. Strangely, men are not put off by a politician who is seen as anti man, provided they agree with the candidate's other policies.

    Therefore politicians will support all kinds of looney initiatives pushed by feminist lobbies because they are all terrified of being accused of being anti-woman. Feminists may be hateful and their theories may be ludicrous beyond belief, but they know how to play politics. The statue of Emiline Pankhurst go built because no politician would have dared to speak out against it. VAWA was introduced in the USA largely for the same reason as far as I can see. Feminists don't need to argue their case for anything. All they have to do is point their fingers and start muttering "misogynist" at anyone in public office who will not co-operate. That usually does the trick.
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    Well I don't think men even noticed. They were fighting a war, and recovering after the war. They were busy doing the stuff that men always do; rebuilding the economy and trying to get things back to normal. The working class women were busy backing them up, looking after families etc. I suppose when you're a working man doing 10 hour shifts six days a week to put bread on your family's table, then you don't have too much time to pay attention to the chatterings of the privileged classes. most men were struggling to provide for their families. They didn't care too much whether women had the vote or not or about Emeline Pankhurst and her friends.
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    They will likely let her off with a caution and a leaflet about edges.

    That chap should sue her for common assault and his medical bills.
    That wouldn't work either. She would go into damsel mode in court. The bravado she displayed when she was being arrested would be gone. She would be a poor little girl who was abused by some big bad man. She self harms don't you know and she is on medication for depression. She is deeply remorseful but she is really just a poor little victim.
  60. Lanavor22's Avatar
    Oh yes but all the other feminists who were cheering her were "not that kind of feminist."
  61. Marx's Avatar
    It's a feminist rally... She's attending... She's using feminist tactics...

    If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck.
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    How do we know she's a feminist? She certainly behaves like a typical gender feminist, and her fondness for false allegations and general lack of decent are all key parts of gender feminism, but that still isn't proof.
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    To bring these issues to recent events, the brassy statue of Margaret Thatcher inside parliament is another insult to the honour of parliament when considering the secret documents released a few days ago on the case of engaging the British army, if it was to become necessary for achieving the defeat of the miners strike.
    The wicked deeds of Thatcher do not justify her brass effigy anywhere, let alone in parliament. It represents the insulting nature of women in politics and men in general, because the coal pits were dug up by men.
    I can't help feeling that the Pankhursts had in the end succeed in Margaret Thatcher and imposing the female deviousness upon parliament with dishonoured female MPs still allowed inside the parliament walls.
    A hundred years ago that would have been an intolerable outrage.
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    Reminds me of that Helen Reddy hit song years ago (she is still dining out on it).

    "I am Woman, hear me whine, I can whine in double-time, ....."
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    My comment on the originating source page:

    And another feminist group pretends only men behave this way, because *only* men objectify women... right?

    I'll just leave this here for you...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iyeUcFKRv4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWvH7jEpMdA

    Here, let me wipe away those tears you're crying... I know, it's terrible to see the real world, where women objectify men too based on their income & belongings.. let's not forget the objectification that women have with their "bedroom toys", you know, those dismembered male genitalia. Talk about the very height of sexual objectification.
    This Indian Ad Responds Powerfully To Men Who Stare At Women In Public
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    The lyrics of the ad’s background music say, in Hindi, “Look how you look when you’re looking at me.

    Perhaps in part two we'll see one checking out men's bulge.. the first scenario showing two women seeing a man arrive in an old banger of a car and it shows their eyes looking anywhere but near him. Then in scenario two, the women see a man arriving & exiting his Ferrari and the women's eyes glare at his back pocket bulge, you know, the wallet pocket and then they start checking out his front bulge and passing flirty looks his way.

    When all of a sudden, he speaks to the old man in the banger, revealing they're best of friends. The older man speaks quietly to the younger man, telling him the women are ogling his bulges. He turns around, smiles, then pulls his belt-buckle down, revealing a hidden clothe which once undone covers his front bulge... then hands the man a fat wad of cash, thanks him for the loan & glad they could do business... leaving his back bulge somewhat more deflated. He smiles at the girls - and walks off back to the Ferrari, while the old man simply laughs in the women's faces for their "objectifying" nature and for having been caught red-handed promoting "rape culture".


    Instead of writing all that.. I'll just leave this here...







    Now... because I don't hate women and I won't pretend they're ALL gold-diggers, like feminists pretend all men are leering, sex obsessed beasts, I'll post a counter video to show that women can be better than the above.

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    How did the suffrage establish feminism after the war,if the people were so against it?Was it government propaganda?And they were saying the "men in power" dont care enough for their cause.
    In china,yue fei the war hero is being honored while the corrupt officials who sabotaged him spat upon.How can britain honour the unscrupulous?

    btw,i cant edit a post in a blog entry right?else i'l add this to my previous post.
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    They made a statue out of a woman who caused more harm than good?How twisted can this be?I thought the treacherous ought to be shamed and only heroes be worshipped.So then it was the men back then who were careless enough to allow feminism to seep through,oblivious to how much damage it could do to men of later generations?Thats sad.Hence in essence,i could say it shouldve been these suffrage women who are giving up some of their privileges for the lower class men and women,but instead they shifted attention of villany towards another target,the men?I wonder how fems can do that and still look their husbands and dads in the eye.

    In the series "once upon a time",one of the reasons rumpelstiltskin got so bad was because he was shamed for not joining the war,even though he did so out of love for his family;he didnt want to be separated from them.Instead,the village ostracised him;even his own wife abandoned him and his son to elope with Hook,which was the last straw.Hook literally took the issue of him evading enlistment to shame him into deserving his wife leaving him,how terrible.
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    Yes they lied about being oppressed. The suffragettes came mostly from the middle to upper classes in Britain and led privileged lives compared with most women and certainly compared with almost all men. The main opposition to the suffragettes came from working class women who depended on the sacrifices and work of men for their survival. Most men largely ignored them altogether.

    Most politicians by the early 1900s were not dead set against giving the vote to women but they had a dilemma. How could they give the vote to women without also imposing the same responsibilities on them that men had to endure? This was about fairness not oppression.

    The suffragettes were not the first to call for conscription. Some politicians and military leaders had already been calling for it, but the suffragettes threw their weight behind that call and began arming their followers with white feathers.

    The British government was reluctant to introduce conscription partly because most of the men being conscripted would be men who did not have full citizenship rights themselves, and partly because they were afraid that too many essential workers would be taken out of industry. It was easier to get men to sign up by calling upon women to shame them into it. The white feather campaign was dreamed up to facilitate this, It was not invented by the suffragettes but it was driven by them to a large extent. It was ended in 1916 when selective conscription was finally introduced. Some persisted in the campaign, taking it to a new low by targeting men who had already been injured on the western front. They found that even the walking wounded and the mentally damaged could be shamed into re-enlisting.

    The white feather concept was taken from a 1902 romantic/adventure book called the four feathers which had been enormously popular in Britain. In the story a man leaves his regiment just before it goes off to war in Sudan. He is given four white feathers by four different people accusing him of being a coward. He follows his regiment into Africa and performs all kinds of acts of bravery before returning to England to return each of the feathers.

    It is widely believed that the suffragettes had no bearing on achieving the vote for women in Britain and that they may have even hindered the process. I believe that Emmeline Pankhurst was more interested in her own personality cult than anything else. Even Cristabel Pankhurst seems to have come to a similar conclusion later on. Whatever else, the suffragettes had made themselves very unpopular with the people of Britain by the end of the war. All that has been airbrushed out of British history though, and a statue of this privileged hypocrite in London now attracts gatherings of adoring feminists every year.
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    Really? Can anybody tell me what this person is talking about? Do they even know what they're talking about?
    I suspect they have no clue.

    However, I'm not sure whether she or he is talking about "physical sex" meaning the physical genitals or if they mean "physical sex" as in the act of sexual intercourse.
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    In other words,the suffrages lied outright about being oppressed at all to begin with,when what they were faced with was just what they deserved for theri destructive behaviour?By suffrage u meant early feminism right?And u are also saying,before this violent suffrage began,men were already considering to open up votes to women,hence the men never had real intention to deny women a voice?Furtehrmore,it was the suffrages who introduced the idea of conscription?I was outright told by feminists that conscription was none of their business,but introduced by the "men in power" once again;hence that is also an outright lie?People during the suffrage riot period realised their hypocrisy,yet how is it that feminism can anchor its roots so deep without our first world social structure,if they knew it to be wrong then?The feminists of my country claim to be supportive of women contributing to national defense,claiming its the "men in power" who have done nothing to help realise it,plus the supposed "lack of men to draw a viable proposal for women service".Just how deep do their lies go?Theyre really starting to sound like some evil cult.
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    "The term physical sex is as transphobic as fuck. The sexual binary is as much of a social construct as binary genders. What you're talking about is assigned gender vs gender identity."

    Really? Can anybody tell me what this person is talking about? Do they even know what they're talking about?
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    Yes that would be a good idea. People like him deserve all the positive support they can get.
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    Are Feminists Like Totally Crazy? - Will Blow Your Mind!

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    Might be an idea to add his name to the tags, just to help Google find positive articles (such as your blog) about him

    Kevin Myers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    After all, if he's not a feminist sympathiser, I like him.
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    Prior to the war,i read that they were involved in riots and assaults on policemen because they cant get their demands met.
    The Suffragettes staged what they called "smashing glass" demonstrations before the war. They would march down a street and smash the window of any business that refused to hang a poster declaring support for woman's suffrage. Initially the police were pretty powerless because manhandling or using batons on women was something most men could not even contemplate. Added to that was that class issue. Many of the suffragettes were "upper class" ladies and that made them even more untouchable.

    When the British police finally resorted to arresting them and even using their batons when under extreme threat, their was outrage. The British newspapers were full of pictures of women being manhandled by police in the streets. Many feminists claim that the suffragettes were "repressed." Actually it was not against the law to be a suffragettes and suffragettes were only arrested when they committed a crime that any other citizen would also have been arrested for. Even in jail, suffragettes were treated more gently than other prisoners.

    Much is also made of the force-feeding of suffragettes who went on huger strike. The force feeding would indeed have been very uncomfortable and humiliating, but it was done to save their lives not to "repress" them. Eventually there was such an outcry over the force-feeding of suffragettes in jails that the government ordered it stopped. Suffragettes now quickly discovered that if they went on hunger strike, they would be released and they used this male aversion to harming women as a routine "get out of jail" tactic.

    When war broke out, the suffragettes called off their campaign for votes for women. The people of Britain were pulling together as people do in times of war. The suffragettes must have been well aware that many of the men serving on the front, did not have the vote. They also might have been aware that campaigning for equal citizenship rights for women while being unprepared to accept equal citizenship responsibilities was complete hypocrisy, made more stark by the sudden reality of large numbers of men being wounded and killed.

    The Suffragettes now launched a campaign to demand the introduction of conscription for men but not women. They tried to capitalise on the patriotic fervour that the war had brought. They demanded the imprisonment of men who would not sign up and they threw their weight behind the infamous white feather campaign. This was probably their downfall. The people of Britain were disgusted by their actions and the newspapers, which had once broadly supported them, now began to reflect the general mood. Several suffragette rallies in London were invaded by "working class" women bearing placards demanding to know if suffragettes had sons too; working class women who were well aware of what the men were going through and probably appreciating the privilege of being female.

    The vote was given to all women over the age of 30 and all men over 21 in 1918. The franchise bill passed through both houses encountering very little opposition. None of this had anything to do with the suffragettes. The British labour party and the trades unions had been quietly working towards universal suffrage for decades. The bill was finally rushed through, partly as a recognition for the sacrifices the men of Britain had made during the war, partly as a thank you to the women of Britain for the massive support role they had played; and partly as a response to the 1917 Russian Revolution which had rattled the governments of Europe. In 1928, a further bill, again passed through parliament with relative ease. The vote was extended to all adults over the age of 21.
    Updated 5th-January-2014 at 08:59 PM by Lanavor22 (Correct spelling error)
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    Who ever said politicians were/are intelligent creatures?
    Any intelligent person will take up science, and those who are in parliament never made it in the science of their choice.
    Today, in the Marr's show on the BBC the prime minister was asked this question, at the time parliament is seeking to break from the European court of Human rigths, the prime minister is questioning Putin's human rights record?
    There never was an intelligent answer.
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    Yes, it took a certain kind of bigot to promote the white feather campaign.
    why,why then,did the 'men in power' back then validate and recognise feminism,for their 'contributions in times of war',when all they did was profit off others' demise?I just dont get how those holding the authority can be so damned stupid.
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    Just to add that many women of Britain did not support the white feather campaign and many were disgusted by it.
    Yes, it took a certain kind of bigot to promote the white feather campaign.
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    Feminism has never been about honour and sacrifice. It always was about envy of the control men had over property, power, money, patriarchal domination, etc.
    The shameless opportunism of the "white feathers movement" relishing at the prospects of having millions of young men blown to bits by a rain of lethal bombs, proves how low a disgusting moral, even amoral, feminists can be. Even today's wars returning soldiers find their marriages in tatters and their wives not wanting them back.
    The honour and sacrifice has always been men's virtue.
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    Quote Quote from Rof L Mao Esq
    Sorry, wrong link.

    http://antimisandry.com/article-comm...t-48536-8.html

    In my mind, the "White Feather" thread is among the finest output ever produced by the Antimisandry community, and it deserves to be continually updated and shared.
    If these women of white feather were so patriotic,why dont they go ahead and sign up themselves on the front line?Why get the youngmen,even underaged ones,to do it?I read something about it,and learnt that,after getting these lads to fight,they conveniently filled in jobs which the men have been forced to vacate in lieu of the war,and when the war was over they,the women,got recognised for their contribution and feminism was recognised.Irony being that it was the men who died fighting the war,not these women.Prior to the war,i read that they were involved in riots and assaults on policemen because they cant get their demands met.Now what was that about feminism being a peaceful movement?

    Honour and sacrifice used to mean something noble,now it doesnt mean shit,because of feminism and what it pushes for.
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    Just to add that many women of Britain did not support the white feather campaign and many were disgusted by it.
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    Nice one Lanavor!!!

    I kept telling my ex-wife she was welcome to take over the nasty work I had to do to keep the roof over our heads, a hot meal on the table, a warm house during winter, etc., to no avail.
    She kept blaming me (white feathers) for not giving her what she wanted.
    Women can be the most ungrateful beasts when they don't get what they want.
    Yes white feathers come in many different forms even today. The message is always the same though. "You should work and sacrifice for me without expecting anything in return."

    I would like to assure you though that I have never given anyone any kind of white feather. I expect my man to work for me only on the understanding that I work also for him. It is something that happened between men and women all through history and something that feminists have forgotten.
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    Nice one Lanavor!!!

    I kept telling my ex-wife she was welcome to take over the nasty work I had to do to keep the roof over our heads, a hot meal on the table, a warm house during winter, etc., to no avail.
    She kept blaming me (white feathers) for not giving her what she wanted.
    Women can be the most ungrateful beasts when they don't get what they want.
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    [/QUOTE]I went to meet my sister in law and some of her female friends one day in a pub. They all wore jeans, trainers and baggy fleeces and all were unhappily single. Two glamorous looking Italian women walked in. The young bar-man, who had given the minimum of service to my sister in law's group, began fawning all over the Italian girls. The two Italians were not stunningly beautiful by any means, but they were all high-heels and skirts and perfume. They were 100% female." end of quote

    It's the same with most non english countries. The virulent nature of feminist message is somewhat lost in translation and, further weakend by the cultural fact that strong families ties are taught to women from a very young age. Long before the feminist claptrap hits them when reaching teenage years.

    That's why I keep repeating that a strong family union is feminism worst enemy.
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    I agree with Marx. I tried to read it and it looks interesting and well written but you really need to break it up into paragraphs.
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    It seriously needs formatting. The wall of text is just impossible to read in it's current form. Just a few line-breaks dotted through-out so people know when they can breathe.
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    Great post Lana.
    Thanks Nivek.
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    Great post Lana.
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    Thanks Rof. I'm glad you liked my story. I tried to send you a PM regarding your reply with my email address. I got a message that said - Rof L Mao Esq has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

    If you want to send me a PM and I will reply whenever you get time.

    Lana.
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    Sorry, wrong link.

    http://antimisandry.com/article-comm...t-48536-8.html

    In my mind, the "White Feather" thread is among the finest output ever produced by the Antimisandry community, and it deserves to be continually updated and shared.
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    Posted this as an update on LinkedIn with this intro:

    "ron collins Lana shares another of her beautifully written tales, this time of a WW1 vet and his encounter with the cowardice and misandry of the ignominious White Feather campaign by suffragettes. http://lnkd.in/bMcGTpk"

    Lana, I would be honored by your joining LinkedIn and connecting with me by the above name. Your insights and superb storytelling skill would be a welcome addition. With your email address I can send you an invitation, and it offers a no-fee basic membership that I enjoy very much.

    Also this:

    Mad Feminists and Englishmen. - Blogs - antimisandry.com

    Check the very last post, on queue now, for my endorsement. Truly, a capital accomplishment, dear lady.
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    An interesting take, Douglas. Point noted.
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    I agree completely with everything you said Rof. Western women are indoctrinated from childhood to see masculinity as some kind of sickness. Many of my female friends are so openly contemptuous of men that they don't even realise it. They feel they have the right to look down on and even insult another individual simply because he is male. This is routine, until of course there is trouble. When the storm comes or the house is flooded or even the car breaking down then men can be treated as decent human beings for just as long as they are needed to fix things or rescue people.

    Many of these women are, almost in the same breath wondering why they are still single and why men just won't man up. I have tried to explain to some of them that men don't want to be with people who despise them.

    On a more cheerful note though. I also know women who respect men and masculinity and recognise the wonderful qualities in both manhood and womanhood. I do love it when someone treats me like a lady. You still experience it from older gents and it sort of brings a little sunshine to the day. I know that most men are no afraid to treat women that way because they might be accused of being sexist. I don't blame them. Some of us do still know how to return the respect and courtesy we are shown by these men. Some of us still know how to behave like a lady and more and more of us are looking to places like this site. It is important to us to show you guys that we are not all hateful feminists.
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    They just got disposed of, fabrizzo. I've entered a number of them - making it clear I'm a man and the offender was female. Not because I want to pretend only women are sexist or only men are victims, but simply to bring some concept of balance to the site's ... unbalanced filtering. Every entry I've given has been filtered out.
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    You may not find the idea of chivalry a very popular topic around here. This is unfortunate in my view, because it reflects how long it has been since both sexes had the habit from their upbringings of finding things to honor and enjoy about each other. Younger men today may never have even experienced anything where a woman showed us a special kind of appreciation or honor for our manhood, indeed may not even be able to grasp the concept.

    For as long as I can remember in adult life (at 53 yrs) the words "man" and "male" have been used by women as either an accusation or a diagnosis; this leaves men little opportunity to enjoy and celebrate womanhood for its own sake. Women so often pose themselves as our enemies or our betters, that there is little incentive for a man to treat a lady like a lady when so few women see anything to enjoy about a man being a gentleman.

    We are as different as we are for a reason, and one is not superior to the other. But for all the accusations that men see ourselves as permanently superior to women for being men, what I see down on the ground is women who have believed all their lives that female superiority is a given, and that anyone thinking otherwise is just too stupid to do anything but laugh at.
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    did u ask her what would happen if a man submitted his story about how he has faced sexism from women?would she stay true to equality principles and publish it,or would she just throw it away,like all other fems do?
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    "women have very little idea of how much men hates them" -Germaine Greer. This is such a delusional statement. She's obviously talking about herself and how much men hate her. Nothing to be surprised about considering how she dedicated her life to hate men and, told women to do the same. Fortunately, not all women are idiotic feminists. Many women are turning against them and their hate speeches.
    Should GG fall through the ice into cold waters I wonder how many women would risk their lives to pull her out. The likelyhood is that women will search for men to save her life.

    NEVO
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    Quote Quote from Marx
    Feel welcome to post the full comic strips to your blog here, you can include images without any issues.
    Will do. But as a side note, I intend to publish the comic worldwide, as a solid book, so that schools can gain access to it. I could publish comic strips online, to promote it though.
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    Feel welcome to post the full comic strips to your blog here, you can include images without any issues.
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    Great post (another one), Lana. Like you, I do not identify with MRM politics as such but find common cause with much of its thinking. Mostly it is the habits of snideness and ridicule that alienate me from the MRM. Personally I find feminist dogma sufficiently self-ridiculing that the more effective tactic is to ask a feminist, politely, to make a coherent point. Try it sometime, and watch as either ridicule, mockery, innuendo, a changed subject, a disgusted assumption that you should already GET the point, or any of a number of flying objects come back at you.
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    Ha ha - LanaMontana.
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    Beautiful story. I have always loved Russian history and this brings it to full light in your own eyes. Keep it coming, Lana.
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    It does make one wonder what the actual goal is when feminism tells men to behave more like women and women more like men.
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    Most big international organisations have been rendered almost irrelevant by feminists. The EU is another example. Many big international charities have gone the same way. If you do volunteer or donate to a charity, make sure it is not discriminating against men. OXFAM for example has been known to threaten to withdraw funding from clinics in Congo unless those clinics agree to women receiving at least 75% of their services. This in a country where men and boys constitute the majority of victims of torture and abuse.

    As for UN pronouncements about women and voting - There are about 20 countries in the world in which women cannot vote. Men cannot vote in those countries either. There is only one country in the world where men have the vote but women don't. That country is Saudi Arabia. The Saudi rulers have already committed to overturning this in time for elections in 2015.

    Feminists like to point to the Vatican as another example. The majority of the population of the Vatican are Catholic priests. They are allowed to vote on church decrees. Women cannot be priests. Men who are not priests are also not allowed to vote on church decrees. The Catholic Church is not a country or a democracy. Nobody is obliged to follow its rules. If you don't want to follow them then don't be a Catholic.
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    good article,we can use this to smash down fem's patrialchy accusations.
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    [Alfalfa] "Guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to nominate Lanavor22 as PRESIDENT of the HE-MAN's WOMEN HATERS Club!"

    Our Gang "Hearts Are Thumps" (and men are chumps?)
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    Aye, it just makes me laugh when people say that orgs' like UN and WHO and such like don't endorse or condone inequality... I'm sure they don't, when it's to women's benefit, at least. But they sure seem predictably silent on men's issues of inequality.
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    .. in this world, there is no organisation in the United Nations that cares about men.
    Always hard to accept graciously you should be FLATTERED gentlemen 'cause it only means we are THE ONLY & LAST DIRECT THREAT to their total authoritarian control!
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    You can call yourself LanaMontana....or something.
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    Quote Quote from Lanavor22
    Thanks Percy. Your compliment was kind but I don't think I will ever be in the the same league as GWW.
    Quote Quote from Percy
    You are making a name for yourself, Lana. Do we have a 'Girl Writes This' in our midst?
    Lana, you don't have to be, you just have to understand that people respond to your "way" and recognize the value in it. Otherwise you wouldn't repeatedly hear this remark. One person with clarity and courage is worth ten who focus on grammar glamour.
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    Bravo expose' balanced and well written! Restores a faith in intelligent women or should I say my particular individualistic brand of religion? Being of Jesuit education and Irish decent who married an 'authoritarian based' Orthodox Russian (noticed posted 'Location') seems the poisoned 'workplace atmosphere' of 'eggshells' is just a carryover from what has been happening in 'modern marriages' for years? While 'The Law' continues to grow anti-male by design historically men are certainly not entirely innocent of contributing to their own undoing . . . and it is high time we take responsibility and get back to 'basics'?

    Let 'the feminists' enjoy their liberty while they can 'cause for real, 'non-domesticated' men the only thing 'the real world' needs good women for is 'family'? Having also suffered thru the ignorance & bigotry of the U.S. Family Court System am happy to report, in part to her only credit, I STILL HAVE MY CHILDREN.
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    . . . never able to actually back this up with any real evidence, but then feminism is an ideology. It is not a science. Ideologies are based on repeated chants and slogans. Facts just get in the way.
    In reminding me of that other outdated 'pro-family' social control system we used to call 'religion' is feminism really something they think they invented all by themselves? It's always been about protestant class war and we now know who's best at inciting it!
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    Quote Quote from Marx
    Apparently, one woman is sexually harassed every single time she goes outside of her house...

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    Ha ha. Every time she goes outside she is sexually harassed. I wonder where she lives just to remember never to go there. She should move to Ireland or Russia. I go outside all the time and I'm never sexually harassed.

    I was groped on the bum once by a drunk in a pub. I was irritated, not traumatised and I forgot about it after the guy apologised. That is my complete experience of sexual harassment.

    The only time I was really harassed to the extent that it frightened me was by an enormous angry lesbian who wouldn't leave me alone and actually followed me through the streets of Dublin one night. She became quite angry and aggressive because I told her to go away. Finally she began to shout abuse and throw things at me until I walked up to two policemen who warned her off. Feminists won't admit to this but from a woman's point of view, men are rarely intimidating even when they are tying to pick you up. Men usually respect your space. Men will usually back off as soon as they realise that you're not interested. Some lesbian women however can be extremely aggressive in their pick-up attempts.

    The funny thing is that when you talk to a feminist they always say that feminism is about empowering women. All this whining and obsession with victimhood doesn't look very empowering to me.
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    You are making a name for yourself, Lana. Do we have a 'Girl Writes This' in our midst?
    Thanks Percy. Your compliment was kind but I don't think I will ever be in the the same league as GWW.
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    Quote Quote from Marx
    I've left a similar message on their page:
    Its a good point but I'm betting your post won't last more than an hour or two on their site - what with feminists being so open to debate and everything))
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    Thanks Percy. I would like to do something about the courts. I do know a guy who was badly mauled by the family court in Ireland but I would not write about his story without his permission and as the case is on-going, I doubt he would allow me to do it. Other than that I don't know enough about the law really to write about it.
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    I really have enough of these femibigots i cant bring myself to read more.From now on i'll label them as feminals(feminist animals) since their kind seem to have no qualms about degrading males as animals,and the fact they behave like pigs of animal farm.By all that's happening it seems society really doesnt want equality despite what they're chanting out of their lips.At least people long ago werent such pronounced liars
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    That's my friends is the truth in its purest form!
    Has anyone ever asked himself/herself who are the most productive people in the land?

    I will name the men (because to my knowledge there aren't any women) who work 24/7/52 making the north sea oil rigs, produce the energy and raw materials which makes life such a pampered one.
    This men battle the elements in all kind of weather to produce the black gold which without it life as we know it, will be utterly impossible.
    I suppose women studies aren't aware of this corner of patriarchy doing their hardest work so women can afford the time for fingernails manicure.
    Would anyone propose different people?

    NEVO
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    Many fine points there. Feminists do not want equality of outcome though (the penultimate point) but 'privilege'.

    An excellent 'round up' of key issues of the personality of feminists. Next you ought to focus on the legal mayhem caused to families. I am sure you could do a fine job on the Family Court.

    Much of what you have been posting here lately (heck, the last few hours !!) is first class.
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    You are making a name for yourself, Lana. Do we have a 'Girl Writes This' in our midst?
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    That is a great list. Lana. Every one can fit at least a thousand feminist bloggers.

    It does underscore a major feature of feminism - its appeal to the immature. A grown-up. adult, mature, fully-rounded female would examine such tripe tripping off her tongue and immediately blush, apologise and bake a fine cake.
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    Excellent. Very well put.
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    So what is she complaining about? Is she complaining about not being sexually harassed, and if so is that also the fault of men?
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    Nicely formatted, Lanavor

    What always cracks me up about sites like the "everyday sexism project" is their opening statement.


    Yep, a site claiming to open the can of worms on sexism - relies on sexism to operate by ignoring all sexism experienced by men.

    Are you surprised it's a feminist site?

    I've left a similar message on their page:

    Yes I am up and running again Marx, thanks to all the advice from you and Douglas.

    I left an entry from Fiona the Feminist on everyday sexism a few days ago. They actually took it seriously and left it up for two days before someone must have realised that it was poking fun at them and they took it down.
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    My favourite "I need feminism because..." photo:



    Forgive her spelling... She used full caps and most word processors ignore words in full capitals. So I wonder how the rest of her sign would have looked if there was no such thing as 'spell check' ?
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    Apparently, one woman is sexually harassed every single time she goes outside of her house...
    So, that's the second time in my life someone has tried to break in when I was very visibly home. Doesn't get less terrifying. Fun stuff. That guy was drunk off his ass, didn't follow me home. I called police, they sent someone past. Nothing...I get sexually harassed everytime I go out. Usually less kissy, more gropey. Too common to tweet about. Just got mad today.
    Really? No exaggerations at all? Not even a bit?

    Why do I get the impression the author of the above claim might be this lovely feminist:
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    Nicely formatted, Lanavor

    What always cracks me up about sites like the "everyday sexism project" is their opening statement.

    Quote Quote from directly quoted from The Everyday Sexism Project's website
    The Everyday Sexism Project exists to catalogue instances of sexism experienced by women...
    Yep, a site claiming to open the can of worms on sexism - relies on sexism to operate by ignoring all sexism experienced by men.

    Are you surprised it's a feminist site?

    I've left a similar message on their page:
    Quote Quote from me
    "The Everyday Sexism Project exists to catalogue instances of sexism experienced by women..."
    That this site relies on sexism by ignoring all male experiences of sexism (by women or other men) demonstrates wonderfully the corruption of feminism.
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    These statistics are only for those children who manage to be born.

    Statistically, in those countries that allow abortion on demand, the most dangerous place of all for a child to be is inside a mother's womb.
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    Excellent! Of course men cared for children: they always have and always will.

    The main thing that has got in the way of masculine care has been government policies promoted by feminist organisations.
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    The UN Men dept. oh, sorry, that doesn't exist... Let's start again.
    That there is no UN Men organisation while the UN Women group (which few would pretend is not, instead, a feminist group) spends over $130,000,000 annually on internal administration alone is proof enough of the misandry from the United Nations.

    In a world where the majority of violence is committed against men, where most unemployed people are men, where men have fewer university degrees than women, where men die on average five years earlier than women and yet have only 42% of the world's health budget spent on them (excluding maternity issues) .. in this world where Google searches indicate that people are interested in women's rights while being interested in maiming or killing men .. in this world, there is no organisation in the United Nations that cares about men.
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    You may get some insight from this article:
    AM Articles - The Vote

    Quote Quote from Lanavor22
    When I have finished, I would like to put them online. I would like to post a link to them here if that's OK with you. They do not relate directly to misandry or feminism but they do illustrate the extreme sacrifices that men will make to protect their homeland and women. The men in my grandfathers unit spoke constantly about their wives, girlfriends and children, hoping that they were safe, while they themselves faced death every day with a selfless sense of duty.
    It would be a true honour to have such writings from your grandfather's diary.
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    I will try to find it and post it. I often wonder how those British men felt about the suffragettes. Some of Emiline Pankhurst's speeches were very insulting to them. The trouble with men is they tend not to make a fuss. I know that not all British women joined in this and most British women supported the men as best they could so I don't disrespect British women. I once read an article in the London Times (1915) It was with a young soldier from Yorkshire who was home on leave to recover from a minor injury. The journalist asked him about the woman's movement but the soldier didn't really know about it or care.

    I have begun to translate my grandfather's dairies for a magazine here in Ireland. He was a tank soldier during the second war. Some of the entries just leave me speechless, but he writes in a matter of fact way. No complaining. At least when the Russian men got home (the lucky ones), they did not have to deal with small groups of women who belittled their sacrifices and called them oppressors.

    When I have finished, I would like to put them online. I would like to post a link to them here if that's OK with you. They do not relate directly to misandry or feminism but they do illustrate the extreme sacrifices that men will make to protect their homeland and women. The men in my grandfathers unit spoke constantly about their wives, girlfriends and children, hoping that they were safe, while they themselves faced death every day with a selfless sense of duty.

    Even as I was growing up, my grandfather always used to say. "We didn't fight for Stalin. We fought for the women and children." I imagine that the soldiers of other countries felt the same way. That is what men do when it needs to be done, and women should be always grateful and respectful for that. Many of us still are.

    OK I'm waffling now))
  136. Marx's Avatar
    I'd love to see that image... If you do happen upon it again, please do post it on AM.
  137. Lanavor22's Avatar
    I saw a picture recently of a group of wounded soldiers (WW1) in a train station probably in London. They were sitting on the ground and the photographer had captured perfectly the expressions on their faces which spoke volumes about the horrors they had been through. Behind them was a large billboard showing a suffragette holding a banner which read - "votes for women now." I have been trying to find this photo again because it fascinates me and it sums up the feminist myth of male privilege perfectly. I often wonder if the photographer was making a point with the photo or if the suffragette poster being there was just a coincidence.
  138. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Posted to LinkedIn as an update.
  139. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Confidence and composure win the round. Good object lesson: NAPALT (not all police are like that)
  140. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Today marks four consecutive Christmas Days that I and everyone in our family have had no way to contact my son and wish him a happy holiday, and tell him we all love him, believe in him, and miss him terribly. No criminal charges were ever files against me, no order authorizing a complete cutting off of contact, no presentation regarding other members of our family's having access to him ever made. The mother simply decided, apparently, that all of us were "inappropriate" (or some other nonsense) for his life, as if he were her private property to do with as she pleases.
  141. Marx's Avatar
    Yep, it takes a special kind of retard for this logic.
  142. Douglas's Avatar
    I was going to try a sensible reply to this but it's just too silly.
  143. shaazam's Avatar
    this is Dworkinism on the hoof !

    don't the gynocracy overpower men in in Family Courts - when de judge passes her rulings agin him rendering as an eternal peonage slave to his ex wife ( er partner person!

    sure in order to kill somebody you have to overpower them first !!!!! no doubt about that
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    I have just seen this post. I must admit that I was left astounded by the clarity of the position you were taking but also by the cleverness and fluency of your writing. It is something I admire and I try to do myself. Anyway, no more to say, but I love this post.
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    I posted a comment on mumsnet just thanking them for taking an interest in my story, and posting a link to the latest one in case they were interested. They deleted it for breaking their guidelines??? Oh My…. these people are sensitive. I wonder why?
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    I just wanted to comment on this portion of the blog post...
    Quote Quote from Michelle
    One of the more prolific anti-feminist posters over there was subjected to a campaign calling him a pedophile. He is nothing of the sort but it was fascinating (and horrifying) to watch how previously kind people latched onto the fabrication and then repeated it as truth. Around the same time this rumor started, I learned that one of the feminists had some PI's from her husband's law firm dig up the personal information on this guy and had shared it with her otherfeminist friends. Things like his family information, his real name and his address. I was disturbed and considered deleting my account there as I was actually starting to feel unsafe. Then the feminists went on a flagging campaign and succeeded in getting some of my posts and all of my friend's posts removed from the site. At that point, I decided to wash my hands of the whole thing and deleted my account on Friday night.
    The sections in bold are emphasised... for emphasis.

    I draw those specific points up because I too have experienced similar on another feminist forum, in fact it was one by a very large American company, known as Yahoo! Whilst I did not copy & screen cap the specific abuses I'm addressing now, here's a few blog entries from various feminists on the Yahoo! page for feminist discussions.
    antimisandry.com - External Sites Topics - Blogs

    This is very relevant to what you've said above because the Yahoo! member known as "Elle M" did similar to me. This 'Elle M' individual found out my full name and my home town.. and even my children's names.

    It IS scary what levels these so-called moderate feminists go to. They're just not right in the head, obviously.

    If it were men doing all this to women - the police would be involved & we'd have news reports about how evil men are stalking women online.
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    The perplexing case of Purple Light | AWARE Singapore
    It's really none of their business,but the feminists have decided to rally to ban a verse in an army song just because the word "rape" appears on it.The song doesnt glorify rape in any way,just sing about the highs n woes of being a soldier.These fems who never had to serve a day in the army actually had the galls to complain of it,and the army chief or defense minister foolish enough to placate them by acceding to their demands.What's the world coming to?
  148. Lanavor22's Avatar
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    Quote Quote from Percy
    Its about time Fiona joined the fire brigade. I think she might have been one of those at The Fire Station at Candlewick Green, that I wrote with Dr David Banner some years ago.

    Fiona did try out for the fire service once I believe. She was bullied out of it though. They asked her to hold a fire hose. She knew that there was a reason that fire hoses were designed to be the ultimate phallic symbols; to humiliate and demean the young female recruits.
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    Quote Quote from Lanavor22
    Well Michelle remember on (the other site) Plowjocky asked me to fix him up with a date with Fiona. She seemed ready to go for that. Maybe we need to get plowjocky on antimisandry.com and see what happens.
    Oh yes! Fiona and Plowjocky, a couple that would be comedy heaven, lol.
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    Quote Quote from michelle0001
    Awww, poor Fiona. She has such a terrible time in this world. I am very relieved to learn that she will never participate in any activities that could possibly lead her to have children of her own, whew! That would be a huge disaster. Her niece barely survived a few days with her!

    Thank you Lana for giving us another installment in the Fiona series. I do love reading of her trials and tribulations.

    Well Michelle remember on (the other site) Plowjocky asked me to fix him up with a date with Fiona. She seemed ready to go for that. Maybe we need to get plowjocky on antimisandry.com and see what happens.
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    Its about time Fiona joined the fire brigade. I think she might have been one of those at The Fire Station at Candlewick Green, that I wrote with Dr David Banner some years ago.
  152. Percy's Avatar
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    "Her constant ability to outwit the misogynists was probably the reason why she was one of the few women in Ireland who had never been raped. "

    Hahahaha.
  153. Douglas's Avatar
    It's so sad that the number who stand up to a bully is so small. Sure, the guy acting as a bully is big but in some of those situations there were many people around and no excuse not to intervene.

    Good to see that at least some people - and notably including women as well as men - stood up to the bully.
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    "soon Fiona may start to explore her lesbian feelings now she knows men are such beasts - all about choice"

    Fiona tried to experiment with lesbianism but she was not able to go through with it. She blames the patriarchy for conditioning her to be straight. The vindictiveness of the patriarchy knows no limits
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  155. Marx's Avatar
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    I'm glad to see a return of our favourite feminist, Fiona.
  156. michelle0001's Avatar
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    Awww, poor Fiona. She has such a terrible time in this world. I am very relieved to learn that she will never participate in any activities that could possibly lead her to have children of her own, whew! That would be a huge disaster. Her niece barely survived a few days with her!

    Thank you Lana for giving us another installment in the Fiona series. I do love reading of her trials and tribulations.
  157. shaazam's Avatar
    this definitely puts man made global warming in the bullshit category or an inconvenient truth- ask Al Gore
  158. shaazam's Avatar
    underscores my opinion of wimyn's core malicious nature
  159. Dylan MacVillain's Avatar
    Whether it's 4% or 14%, that figure must come from the mother, paternity tests done behind the father's back, or hospital staff or some combination thereof. Therefore it's safe to conclude that the figure is really much lower than the true figure.
  160. Marx's Avatar
    4% for those with no concept the child is not theirs... for those who suspect it rises to about 30%

    Although, I'm sure I read it was 14%... perhaps the 4% is a typo/error? Might be something to investigate....
  161. Dylan MacVillain's Avatar
    The percentage of fathers who are being defrauded is only 4%? That sounds surprisingly low.
  162. Marx's Avatar
    I fully agree.. She's a victim, you know, that poor feminist false accuser... She's just a poor, poor victim.
  163. Percy's Avatar
    They will likely let her off with a caution and a leaflet about edges.

    That chap should sue her for common assault and his medical bills.
  164. Marx's Avatar
    Indeed, this needs posting on many MRA sites & feminist groups as possible..
  165. outdoors's Avatar
    Remind you of anything?

    Which is EXACTLY why I posted it.
  166. Yan Yan's Avatar
    Try 'Googling'....

    1. Social Judgement Theory
    and
    2. 'The narrative paradigm,
  167. shaazam's Avatar
    the whole Family Law court system is systematised abuse agin men - it legally turns family men into wimyn's slaves and on a national scale
  168. fabrizzo's Avatar
    Unless they truly have been mutilated by those men,murder is NOT justified.She got to be an IDIOT and a human rights VIOLATOR to say such a thing.At times like these i wonder where are those faggot lackeys of feminism,who so purportedly claim that feministic policies are noble,and hence they'd rather support fems than their own fellow men;where are they when some self claimed fem say genocidal stuff like that?They suddenly disappear,despite their claims that they're "fair to men n women".
  169. fabrizzo's Avatar
    Just goes to show,prevention from unwanted births,the onus shall be upon the WOMEN,because they are the ones with the free operations,NOT the men.But of cos,what the feminists would say,i wouldnt know
  170. Marx's Avatar
    Quote Quote from Douglas
    ...one man just started in on me about "violence against women" and how it is only men who are violent (so therefore they deserve all the violence women commit on them .. or some such argument).
    If nothing else, at least in a public forum you've demonstrated two things; 1) his misandric personality and 2) the ignorance of most feminists (at least on that board).
  171. Douglas's Avatar
    Have these become available again?!? They were banned at one time but it seems that every so often someone takes the same theme (if not the same graphic) and starts up the misandry again.

    Here's my own artwork which I used on a feminist forum. I was trying to illustrate how THEY would feel about such a thing. One woman got it but one man just started in on me about "violence against women" and how it is only men who are violent (so therefore they deserve all the violence women commit on them .. or some such argument). Why is it that attempting to debate with such people is almost like a surrealistic nightmare in which no amount of reasoning can have any application?

  172. shaazam's Avatar
    another example of the true nature of wimyn barely camouflaged - this sort of malicious misandry receives an enthusiastic press in the Wester gynocracies recall Dworkin wantd men exterminated en masse;

    imagine a man in a Family Court pushing a divorce agtion with a like minded misandrist judge peering at him - it happens
  173. shaazam's Avatar
    this is wimy'ns true nature to the fore - the western media would suppress this as it refutes the positive agitprop with which wimyn are painted - aka nurturers, sharers and carers
  174. Marx's Avatar
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    Coding queries completed... Try the new button/tab called "Latest Stuff" and leave constructive criticism /feedback.
  175. Marx's Avatar
    Test reply #2

    Test reply111111111
  176. Douglas's Avatar
    ignore ignore ignore
    Yeah sure, like THAT's going to happen on a site like this!
  177. Yan Yan's Avatar
    Never mind monitoring 'likes'. If we can "rep" a member" (unseen), wouldn't it be sweet to "rep" a good post (for all the world to see)??
    Same technology - Don't just 'like' it, but recommend it to everyone instead and (optionally) say why..... ????
  178. Yan Yan's Avatar
    Tried it once.
    Since I'm the most undisciplined writer on planet Earth, I thought it might be interesting to copy some traveler's tales to an AM blog.
    When AM was obliged to change servers a few years ago it went "poof".... never to be seen again.

    However in professional editing it's a different story. Back-up, back-up all the way, and record charges by the hour. Writers (both male and female) are very 'particular'. They don't like criticism even when they're paying you to criticize!! The e-mails plus attachments fly back and forth like a blizzard and the 'comments' section in MS Word sometimes gets longer than the article.
    The writer needs to sell or die. The editor is wary of losing a talented client.
    Only when writer(s) and editor are both happy with the finished product, do I get paid. That's the harsh reality.

    Blogging is very different. It's a 'labour of love'. Every man or woman can say what they want.
    As bloggers we seek an audience for our stories, our experiences and our worldview and we don't expect to profit from it.
    We can write to amuse a "known" readership or be provocative and challenge the conservative reader to think again.... much like the chit-chat on AM every day.

    Aspiring writers should give it a try. But they need constructive criticism - not sycophantic back-patters.
  179. Marx's Avatar
    How much would what cost..? To write a software that could read 'likes' and create from it a 'popular now' list?
    I don't know..
  180. Yan Yan's Avatar
    Ok, ok ok. It doesn't hurt to give it a try.

    There's the latest, newest, brightest etc. and there are hidden gems.

    I'm still keen on my "recommendations" idea though. If it's technically feasible to "rep" a poster privately, how much harder would it be to "rep" a post publicly???

    Yeah, I know we can look look up 'likes' but that's a long way round. I've often had friends send e-mails.... not only about good articles on other sites, but also about things I might have missed on THIS site!!

    The AM chaps on Facebook are generally new to the game and a tad ingenuous but they know how to use the media.
    AM has long been highly-regarded as one of the best sites for uncensored debate, as long as the language is civilized and free of hateful expletives. So let's have a display-stand that shows us at our best.

    How much would it cost??
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    Just watch In pursuit of happyness and u'd see the sheer difference in space availability between women n men shelters.And those damned misandric women shelters just WONT admit a man even if hes a single penniless father.They'd seek to separate the boy from his dad,than to help them both
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    Quote Quote from michelle0001
    Like you, I find it interesting that the actual hate movement (feminism) calls the men's rights groups hate groups. To me it just looks like pure reflection. Since feminism's basis is a hatred of men by those who actively espouse their views, hatred is all they can see. They hate men so they assume that since everyone is like them, anyone opposing them must also be likewise full of hate. It is basically a mirror image, too bad that their vision is skewed.
    As the saying goes,it takes one to know one,no?That's exactly what fems are.Narrow hearted people always think narrow of others,that they'd resort to the same tricks as them,and hence fear their losing out.
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    To them,anything NOT about the self centred glorification of women is hate.Their yardstick,pivot of equality has been shifted and tampered to 'look' eqaual n balanced when a significantly more rights have been placed on the women's side as opposed to the men's.They know deep within their hearts that resources in this world is limited,and giving some people something will mean taking something away from some others.Hence,despite their advocations of "women getting their rights will not hinder the current rights of men",they know it isnt true,hope some foolish men in power will believe them,let then have their way,and then prepare all the denunciation arguments in the event that men should come up to reclaim their rights.Thus,the labelling of it as hate,because they know so well men getting rights mean they get less,just the same as what they did to the men for so many years.
    As u all can see,feminism activities current border the line of destructive,not constructive,and hence will never actually generate any "excess welfare" that can be distributed and enjoyed by all
  184. Marx's Avatar
    The What's New tab has already proven a success in it's own doing.

    This blog post would almost certainly have been missed by all participants had you been using only the "Today's Posts" function as normal - but instead, you all saw this blog (and replies) purely because of the What's New tab you've been using.


  185. Marx's Avatar
    Did neither of you read my last post regarding 'Today's Posts' (iow it already IS restored under the name of "Latest Forum Posts")? It covers any new replies to older threads & newly created threads over the last 24hrs.

    As for YY's suggestion of a 'Recommended Reading' , good as it is, is not practical to engineer it... We did used to have a 'Topic of the Fortnight' but barely anyone bothered to use it.
  186. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Okay, okay. It's not THAT bad, once my finger gets used to the idea of NOT going right to that one spot, which I've been doing for, like, EVER...

    Just type "new posts" on the search bar and click, then after that it'll come up just from typing "n". The only thing there is that thirty-second thing, whatever.
  187. Yan Yan's Avatar
    Here's a small suggestion..... (or 2)

    1. Restore "Latest Posts" or something similar so that those who log on when time is short can catch up on hot topics.

    2. Stick a heading on the title bar called "Recommended Reading" (??). This would lead to an area where those who have found some gems of wisdom around the back can flag them up. It would only for be threads, posts blogs on-site , not elsewhere.

    We're well aware that sometimes good things are missed, simply because they didn't stay on the front page for long enough and by the time we get back from a couple of days of debauchery they've been overtaken by newer posts/issues.

    3. Keep the "recommend" process simple....... something like the "giving rep" pop-up box.... (but that's a private matter that few see while 'likes' are quite definitely "in your face" :-)).
    Just say, (a) how to find the post (your name will be automatically added to the recommendation.... and (optionally) why you think it's worth taking the time to read it.

    Any takers??
  188. Douglas's Avatar
    The financial side is a tad more tricky. All members donating a small amount must surely be better than a few members donating large amounts. People who put their hard-earned money into a cause should be acknowledged. It's a mystery how somebody who makes three coherent posts becomes "Established Member" overnight. I jest but it's not far from the truth.
    Indeed, if we can have many members donating just a little bit each month, it would really help. Our new Fund Raising Manager will be interested in whatever you can do to help support the site and is also looking for some people (not from the current admin/moderator pool of members) willing to help in general fund raising: again, the more that help him, the better it will be for everyone.

    Being an 'Established Member' simply means that someone is off the watch-list of those the moderators need to keep an eye on, and whose posts automatically appear on the site without waiting for a moderator to approve.

    If you want to look out for those people who have gained the extra respect and privileges of having helped finance the site, look to those who are 'Silver Supporter' or 'Gold Supporter'. They deserve special appreciation and if you note anyone who has just gained that title, dropping them a note of thanks, for helping you have this site to use, would be nice.
  189. Douglas's Avatar
    Hopefully we can all get along with the latest change. Click on the What's New on the top menu and it shows an activity stream of what's been happening across the entire site.

    Having clicked on "What's New" on the top menu, have a look at the second menu line:
    Global Activity . Latest Forum Posts . New Blog Entries . Recent Group Messages . New Articles . New Events

    You can select to see updates on individual parts of the site ('Global Activity' brings you back to the original activity stream).

    Not all areas will show activity and that is one reason why we are making this change: there are useful areas of the site that have been poorly used in the past, which we wish to draw to people's attention, make more use of and keep alive with comments and updates.
  190. Yan Yan's Avatar
    Fear not, chaps... I'm researching options with Douglas.
    Not all of us are techno-wizards but there out to be solution whereby we can keep up with latest stuff but still be pointed towards the bargains at the back of the store????

    So the question is - what generates the most traffic?
    As 'Rof' pointed out earlier this year some of best and "meatiest" threads can run to several pages - wherever they are originally posted.
    Thoughtful and well-written responses to controversial topics invite more of the same and there's a snowball effect.

    However, many members (especially me) often say, "How did I miss this great post the first time around?"

    Well, maybe that was the day your kid was sick, or you had to finish an urgent project, or you had a major confrontation with an irksome mate and stomped off to the bar, or you spent the afternoon and evening with your delightful new paramour, or your internet went down because you hadn't paid the bill because 'Bancnet' was down and the monsoon rains had flooded the highway to town.... etc., etc.

    IMHO, When good input is sometimes missed in the hurly-burly of news and current affairs, there are eagle-eyed members here who can be counted on to resurrect it.
    Not naming names, there is at least one who keeps abreast of legislation like a full-time unpaid legal researcher.
    There is at least one other, who tracks legal cases for years and informs us of progress.
    He must have a VERY BIG HARD DRIVE....

    Since the foundation of this humble site, it's been relatively self-policing and self-sustaining and it's gone from strength to strength.
    "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

    The financial side is a tad more tricky. All members donating a small amount must surely be better than a few members donating large amounts. People who put their hard-earned money into a cause should be acknowledged. It's a mystery how somebody who makes three coherent posts becomes "Established Member" overnight. I jest but it's not far from the truth.
  191. Marx's Avatar
    Fear not, chaps... I'm researching options with Douglas.
  192. outdoors's Avatar
    Lets just go back to what worked well.

    I do not have the time, nor the desire, to sift through tons of stuff.

    Same.

    The old way was much much easier to follow.
  193. michelle0001's Avatar
    I am very interested in this, thanks for bringing it to my attention Marx. I have a son who is a junior in a Texas public high school and struggling.

    i read the article with fascination. I think the administrator who said that this subject hasn't been publicly acknowledged because then they'd have to do something about it and right now, that ain't happening. I will follow the links in the article when I have time and then comment further.

    I do find it interesting that I live in Texas and never caught wind of this. I really appreciate this website, this article you posted is a great example why.
  194. RobYork's Avatar
    Lets just go back to what worked well.

    I do not have the time, nor the desire, to sift through tons of stuff.
  195. Douglas's Avatar
    What I dislike about "What's new" is that it shows every post. So if there's a new thread with ten posts on it, all ten posts show up - with the latest one first on the list, making it hard to know what I've not read. On the other hand, what I have always liked about it is that it shows all contributions on the site wherever they are.

    As Marx says, let's all give it a few days and see how we get along.
  196. Marx's Avatar
    I'm surprised there's so little input on this topic...
  197. Marx's Avatar
    No probs bud.. give it a few days and see how you're coping with it. I'm gonna bet 10pence you like it sooner than later
  198. outdoors's Avatar
    Sorry,been a bad day all around for me-f'n major snowstorm is robbing me of my vitamin D.
  199. Marx's Avatar
    Quote Quote from outdoors
    Ya,if we miss a day or two we will also miss what was posted in that same time frame if/when no one respond's to those post's.
    That would happen either way.. even the "New Posts" has a threshold limit else guests would be inundated with some 42,000 threads to read...
  200. outdoors's Avatar
    Ya,if we miss a day or two we will also miss what was posted in that same time frame if/when no one respond's to those post's.
  201. Marx's Avatar
    I suspect it's a change we'll get familiar with in a short time. This isn't a 'new' function at all, the "What's New" tab has been there for about a year, perhaps more... I kept the old "Today's Posts" and "New Posts" for backwards compatibility sake... As has been said though, this is intended to make people see the site as a fuller tool - not to cause aesthetic upset, but I don't doubt it will cause a strong word or two from some folks.
  202. RobYork's Avatar
    Yuuuk !!!!
  203. Douglas's Avatar
    Quote Quote from Yan Yan
    Yeah, I'm being silly. But thanks to the new format it's highly unlikely that anybody will see this.
    On the contrary, the older update lists do NOT show blog comments but the "What's New?" listing does show them. So thanks to the new format, it is highly likely that people (like me) see your comment.

    I don't like the format, but then I don't like change.
  204. Yan Yan's Avatar
    Never mind the brand new stuff on the front shelves. We have plenty of knock-down bargains around the back.
    Many areas of the site are unintentionally ignored by people because they don't realize these other areas even exist.
    Right! So busy men, toiling for women and children since the day they grew balls, must now take a feather-duster to every little corner of the board before they can get directly to a serious discussion??

    Let's start a new forum on "Post-feminist fashion - for 'wimmin' and 'metromen'. Hey, don't laugh, it could be popular.
    Yeah, I'm being silly. But thanks to the new format it's highly unlikely that anybody will see this.
  205. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    I tried typing "new posts" on the search bar and it took me where I wanted to go, so I guess it will do if the button doesn't come back. But it does seem like a step backward, to manualize a function that has been automated until now. Is there some really good reason to eliminate it?
  206. Douglas's Avatar
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    For some, it’s a clap of thunder over your house in the dead of night. You are jolted from deep sleep to full consciousness in a heartbeat.
    I worry about such converts. They often feel they know it all, yet really have only just begun on the same slow process most people have to undertake.

    Most of us come to the new reality by a slow process. If you will, jigsaw puzzles in the recesses of your mind.
    As we meet facts which disagree with our pre-conceived notions of the world about us, our mind is as likely to reject the new information because it doesn't fit, as to accept it and be willing to adjust other views we hold.

    None of us can truly say we are 'awake' to everything in the world about us but this is an excellent analogy of the awakening process as we start to question what "they" say is true and realise that we've been listening to the wrong "they".
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    Quote Quote from michelle0001
    "They hate men so they assume that since everyone is like them, anyone opposing them must also be likewise full of hate."
    This is classic guilt by association - since they engender hate (whether conscious of it or not) they assume others hate as well, ie. MRAs.

    Furthermore, eventually with no one left to attack, I sense feminism will eventually undermine and attack itself as it collapses under the weight of its own logical inconsistencies and hateful social intolerance. It's in its hateful nature to destroy itself.
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    Quote Quote from Lanavor22
    If the feminists were using there heads, they would have realised there would have been nothing on the fifth floor. If the fourth floor was a world without men. then there would have been nobody to finish the fifth.
    Simply brilliant Lana!!!
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    Where do you come up with these great things? So funny lol.:cool:
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    If the feminists were using there heads, they would have realised there would have been nothing on the fifth floor. If the fourth floor was a world without men. then there would have been nobody to finish the fifth.
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    I love these keyboards: AlphaBeta is going to become a very rich man with this invention. Feminists all over the world will over the world will love them))
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    I love this, so true!!!!!
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    Unfortunately, there is no 'winning' an argument with a feminist. Even when you manage to show that they are wrong-headed in every way on an issue, the FAKE keyboard will still come into use.

    (By the way, this post would have been great in the forums, which tend to get more attention.)
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    Wow, ABS, I thought you copied this from somewhere else, you are very clever!

    You are right about their sacred cow issues, lol. It appears that they own the patent on every discussion and God help you if you don't parrot the acceptable narrative on 'their issues'.
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    Michelle & lowridergirl, glad you enjoyed it! I took particular enjoyment in creating this one. The inspiration came to me after noticing how team feminista reacts to MRAs in such automatic, knee-jerk ways – no thinking required. Rather than respond with facts or reason they react with intense emotions, especially when you address their sacred-cow issues (meaning everything). I did the entire graphics myself from scratch and paired it with the color coding scheme used in MRA circles and voilà - instant FAKE (Feminist Anti-male Keyboard Enhancer) attack keyboard for the lazy of mind. My favorite part is how the keyboard can be found lying around - doesn't matter where it is, it's lying to you.
    Updated 21st-November-2013 at 09:13 AM by AlphaBetaSoup (grammar)
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    Projection is the term for what you well describe, my friend.
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    Quote Quote from Douglas
    The feminist desire to indoctrinate without interference, and to censor at will, is one matter than turns many intellectual people away from feminism. It shows us all that feminism can not stand up to scrutiny because if it could, they would welcome opposing voices and be able to refute them with solid information and fact.
    They definitely can't stand one bit of scrutiny, it enrages them when you don't just buy what they ares selling without asking any questions.
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    The feminist desire to indoctrinate without interference, and to censor at will, is one matter than turns many intellectual people away from feminism. It shows us all that feminism can not stand up to scrutiny because if it could, they would welcome opposing voices and be able to refute them with solid information and fact.
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    Like you, I find it interesting that the actual hate movement (feminism) calls the men's rights groups hate groups. To me it just looks like pure reflection. Since feminism's basis is a hatred of men by those who actively espouse their views, hatred is all they can see. They hate men so they assume that since everyone is like them, anyone opposing them must also be likewise full of hate. It is basically a mirror image, too bad that their vision is skewed.
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    Quote Quote from Lanavor22
    Hi Michelle. I know exactly what you mean about EP. I miss my interaction with you and all my other EP friends also. It is nice to see so many of them coming over here though. I was also able to confirm that my account over there was hacked and now anything I post there is taken down immediately. It does just confirm though how terrified feminists are of anyone who asks uncomfortable questions about their ideology and how little faith they have in their own arguments.
    Being censored is so frustrating. I'm sorry your account got hacked. They are terribly afraid of the truth getting out there.
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    Hi Michelle. I know exactly what you mean about EP. I miss my interaction with you and all my other EP friends also. It is nice to see so many of them coming over here though. I was also able to confirm that my account over there was hacked and now anything I post there is taken down immediately. It does just confirm though how terrified feminists are of anyone who asks uncomfortable questions about their ideology and how little faith they have in their own arguments.
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    Ahhh freedom feels good. I love this site :cool:
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    Quote Quote from Marx
    At AM we try to afford all members the highest level of freedom to speak as they wish. We have banned (usually for spam, so non-political reasons) but sometimes because people get 'too much' and it's either members go or the 'questionable' individual goes.. I'd prefer to keep my long term members happy as they're the ones who have kept the site alive.

    I'm pretty much on a break of late as I have life-issues going on that need my attention but I am happy to help where I can with technical queries - so drop a line on my profile if necessary.
    Thank you Marx for making this and keeping this site a safe space to explore the effects of feminism. I for one don't expect a conflict-free environment but it is not too much to ask that no one be bullied on a website.

    I hope your life-issues sort themselves out soon. Take care
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    At AM we try to afford all members the highest level of freedom to speak as they wish. We have banned (usually for spam, so non-political reasons) but sometimes because people get 'too much' and it's either members go or the 'questionable' individual goes.. I'd prefer to keep my long term members happy as they're the ones who have kept the site alive.

    I'm pretty much on a break of late as I have life-issues going on that need my attention but I am happy to help where I can with technical queries - so drop a line on my profile if necessary.
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    Quote Quote from conceptualclarity
    Hi, friend. I've been thinking a lot about your situation and when my p.m. situation is fully clarified I want to discuss it with you.

    I have various computer forum subscriptions and want to call your attention to this. It is a paid product being offered for free today. Free GiliSoft Privacy Protector (100% discount) | Free and cheap Windows software | SharewareOnSale

    I am in no position to attest it is the best product of its type or that it is the right fit for your needs. But I see no harm in downloading it. If you decide you don't want to use it, something like Revo or IObit Uninstaller will get rid of it for you.

    I confirm what she says about the viciousness of the feminists. I am still there fighting for the anti-feminists, for whatever can be salvaged.

    I am also left feeling naive, more about EP Support.

    I am so burned by the feminists there that I feel willing to shew 'em off this site! Not my call, of course.
    Hey friend

    Thanks for offer on the software. I am rarely on my PC so I don't have much of a need but I appreciate your thinking of me.

    i am very interested in hearing if you are making any progress over at EP. It has been suggested that one of the feminists is actually one of their admins which may be just a paranoid idea or it could be the explanation.

    All of us EP refugees are feeling burned by the feminists over there. You aren't alone.
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    Quote Quote from lowridergirl
    Exactly. I am happy I found this site to, I can put up articles without being feminist censored to death. And we have EP to thank for that

    R.I.P EP
    Hi lowridergirl, R.I.P. EP, indeed!
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    Hi, friend. I've been thinking a lot about your situation and when my p.m. situation is fully clarified I want to discuss it with you.

    I have various computer forum subscriptions and want to call your attention to this. It is a paid product being offered for free today. Free GiliSoft Privacy Protector (100% discount) | Free and cheap Windows software | SharewareOnSale

    I am in no position to attest it is the best product of its type or that it is the right fit for your needs. But I see no harm in downloading it. If you decide you don't want to use it, something like Revo or IObit Uninstaller will get rid of it for you.

    I confirm what she says about the viciousness of the feminists. I am still there fighting for the anti-feminists, for whatever can be salvaged.

    I am also left feeling naive, more about EP Support.

    I am so burned by the feminists there that I feel willing to shew 'em off this site! Not my call, of course.
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    Exactly. I am happy I found this site to, I can put up articles without being feminist censored to death. And we have EP to thank for that :)

    R.I.P EP :cool:
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    Quote Quote from AlphaBetaSoup
    Michelle, it's me ABS and of course as you probably already know what I think of The Good Men Project - a mangina factory from hell.
    Howdy ABS!!!!

    Mangina factory from hell, yep and yep!
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    This gets funnier every time I read it!

    I agree with lowridergirl, these methods have also been used on me. It seems the only thing that isn't sexist about most feminists is their methods in arguing. They use most of these on women too.

    The red (anger) key has been used on me along with the brown (fanatic), black (mysogenist), and white (unstable). They have twisted the orange (threat) key to accuse me of bolstering those men who are a threat to women and apparently the lavender key morphs into "you are a bad woman, wife, mother if as a woman you refuse to tow the party line on feminism". The pink key has been seen to morph into "you just feel sorry for all of these failed males".

    I do wonder if there is an additional green key especially to be used on women who reject feminism. It would be the green envy key complete with the accusation that a woman must just be sucking up to MRA's for attention. They seem to be jealous that male anti-feminists are sweet and respectful to women who are also anti-feminism . . . or you know . . . women who aren't complete bitches.
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    lowridergirl, hello there and the blue sensitive key is one of my favorites!
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    *squeals! Alpha! Hi! This is an excellent article and about sums it up nicely in a perfect package just in time for Christmas :D it kind of reminds me of a feminist checklist in a way, its like the stages of an argument with them, which describes it exactly to a tee. I am a woman and I can vouch when debating with a feminist I almost always get the "blue sensitive key" but instead of a man they attack, its a woman :cool:
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    Michelle, it's me ABS and of course as you probably already know what I think of The Good Men Project - a mangina factory from hell.
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    Quote Quote from wh666
    I don't agree with the misandry of saying the man deserved it. I feel however some points in the article is just recognising how feminised the world is and instead giving sound legal advice, even if it is sexist.


    One or two tips in there did have a point. Men and women fail to listen to each other, but men get taken in by a sweet smile (I still do) and you really have to dive in to the subtext to realise the kitten has claws! Listen and look, especially with women. They aren't as upfront as blokes are.

    Men should be able to stand their ground, I do and tell women exactly what I think of them. But it is playing with fire and one does need to be careful. What may seem like misandry, when the attorney says "don't argue", is just good legal advice. The police once advised me, that I should leave any household during a fight, especially if it gets aggressive, even if just on her part and not mine, they even said "even if she beats you, backs you into a corner, slip away without touching her and leave the house". Is it right? No! But now, to cover my own arse, I'll say my peace and not let it get to that aggressive stage and then leave for anything from a breather/smoke to a long period, regardless of how much she screams "if you walk through that door, that's it". I shouldn't have to, especially if the home is shared, but legally, it puts you in a worse position if you stay.


    Men need to learn the lesson not to reproduce with these women. Thankfully, I learned it before I reproduced unlike some of my fellow forum members here. If you think, you've ever found the perfect women, foster children for a while. See how after a while she behaves with them and your relationship. This can help you avoid a massive issue of the sweet girl, turning into a demonic mother.
    Like you, I think the author comes from a very misandric viewpoint and I find it ugly and unacceptable. On the other hand, since our legal system is set up with the same attitude, men need to be very aware of this and not be caught off-guard.

    i am relieved that you didn't have children with yours. The only thing worse than being married to a womanlike that would be to have children with one.

    As for how to choose a suitable woman for marriage? I'm afraid that I don't have any good answers on that one. Maybe the answer is as simple as looking at a future mate and seeing how they handle adversity in other areas of their life. You can predict with some amount of certainty how someone will deal with the inevitable bumps in marriage by seeing how they deal with problems with their family, friends, work, etc. I do think most folks give clues as to their character but it seems that most people blaze right past warning signs. I think this applies to men and to women. I haven't ever seen a case where someone genuinely presented as a good and decent person, only to do an about face after marriage or after the birth of kids. It seems the truth is that the warning signs were there but the other person didn't think this fault in their mate would ever be aimed at them.
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    Quote Quote from Marx
    Yep, I recall when I was with my ex who to this day (some 12 years on) still hasn't done a day's paid work. I'd get in from work (sales, which can be very stressful when target's aren't being met) and she'd literally just dump the kids (toddlers as they were then) on me and sit in the kitchen. However, after numerous moaning sessions requesting for a 20minute 'cool down' from work, she did. Sadly, she was one of the laziest people I've ever known. Even to this day, the place is an absolute pigsty. I used her toilet once and it looked as though it hadn't been cleaned in at least several months.

    Another ex of mine, although a hard worker, would come from work and go hide in the bedroom on her laptop. She made no effort to engage with our children.
    Marx, I'm sorry you had the misfortune to be tangled up with those two poor excuses for wives. There seems to be way too many folks nowadays who lack both a work ethic and any sense of consideration for others.
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    Nice dreams. We might wonder why we don't have such things in abundance. Who would it threaten: not men, not heterosexual women, either.

    Only man-hating homosexual women could feel threatened by such things.

    Now, I wonder what ideology such women founded and perpetuate that creates hate against men and causes legal and social discrimination against men?
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    How feminism conned society, and other not-so-tall tales...
    By Karen Straughan, otherwise known as GirlWritesWhat.

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    I don't agree with the misandry of saying the man deserved it. I feel however some points in the article is just recognising how feminised the world is and instead giving sound legal advice, even if it is sexist.


    One or two tips in there did have a point. Men and women fail to listen to each other, but men get taken in by a sweet smile (I still do) and you really have to dive in to the subtext to realise the kitten has claws! Listen and look, especially with women. They aren't as upfront as blokes are.

    Men should be able to stand their ground, I do and tell women exactly what I think of them. But it is playing with fire and one does need to be careful. What may seem like misandry, when the attorney says "don't argue", is just good legal advice. The police once advised me, that I should leave any household during a fight, especially if it gets aggressive, even if just on her part and not mine, they even said "even if she beats you, backs you into a corner, slip away without touching her and leave the house". Is it right? No! But now, to cover my own arse, I'll say my peace and not let it get to that aggressive stage and then leave for anything from a breather/smoke to a long period, regardless of how much she screams "if you walk through that door, that's it". I shouldn't have to, especially if the home is shared, but legally, it puts you in a worse position if you stay.


    Men need to learn the lesson not to reproduce with these women. Thankfully, I learned it before I reproduced unlike some of my fellow forum members here. If you think, you've ever found the perfect women, foster children for a while. See how after a while she behaves with them and your relationship. This can help you avoid a massive issue of the sweet girl, turning into a demonic mother.
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    Yep, I recall when I was with my ex who to this day (some 12 years on) still hasn't done a day's paid work. I'd get in from work (sales, which can be very stressful when target's aren't being met) and she'd literally just dump the kids (toddlers as they were then) on me and sit in the kitchen. However, after numerous moaning sessions requesting for a 20minute 'cool down' from work, she did. Sadly, she was one of the laziest people I've ever known. Even to this day, the place is an absolute pigsty. I used her toilet once and it looked as though it hadn't been cleaned in at least several months.

    Another ex of mine, although a hard worker, would come from work and go hide in the bedroom on her laptop. She made no effort to engage with our children.
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    Thank you for your post, I found it fascinating.

    I'd like to address this from the point of view of a mother. While I understand the thought of addressing the subject of sex with a son in the least awkward way possible, her feminism stinks up the whole thing. I also noticed the 'all sex is rape' undercurrent.

    I understand the feminists think they can stop rape by supposedly teaching boys and men not to. I find it ridiculously simple minded and that seemed to be the main point in her article. I doubt that anything can be done to stop the kind of rapists who break into someone's house or grab someone in a dark alley to commit their violent and horrible crime. The rest of the situations that feminism tends to focus on, namely so called date rape cannot be taught at puberty or in adulthood. It is basic morals and ethics taught and demonstrated from birth. Even keeping in mind the stunning volume of false rape claims, there is still a problem of certain men feeling entitled to whatever they want. I have known a number of men like that and from what I could tell, they simply felt entitled to take whatever they wanted, sex included. They also did not grow up in stable homes with good fathers (or any father in some cases) to demonstrate what being a decent person is. "Teach boys not to rape", what a crock. How about we teach our kids to be good people and lead by example. How about if we teach our sons and daughters respect for themselves. Okay, rape rant is over ��

    On to porn. She certainly has a lot of attention on it. I actually agreed with most of what she said on the subject and have had a couple of chats with my youngest son about it. I do think porn sets false expectations and examples. I also know a couple of marriages that broke up over porn addictions. I personally don't have a problem with porn but do have concerns with how readily available the really twisted stuff is to our kids.

    It really bugged the crap out of my that she said she knows exactly how he feels. Bull. Seriously.

    I liked what you pointed out about teaching her son about women instead of focusing on his own supposed masculine faults.

    I do worry about her son, I can't imagine he has enough sane voices teaching him things that will actually help him since they are likely drowned out by her drivel.

    As for The Good Man Project, wow. This is the first article I have read over there and I found it disgusting. I had heard that it was a thinly veiled feminist website focused on men but I have to disagree with that. There is no thin veil, pure feminism. Even the name implies that "good men" is the goal meaning that they aren't good enough now. I know many men who aren't but I know for a fact that feminism can't fix them, they are likely what broke them from the beginning!
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    Quote Quote from nomereape
    . . . "mothers" are "sleeping with the enemy" . . . the values that most women hold dear.
    I think it's high time we "flip the script" rather than ever go backwards! Was stuck in everyday *horrendous Atlanta traffic* yesterday and, seeing not only women but many on cell-phones while driving, thought to myself outloud via mostly male-dominated CB19 " let 'em work and pay taxes 'cause, as a man, I'd be much happier to be home with "our" kids and animals! "

    The Consensus, among disgruntled, never home truck drivers at least, WAS POSITIVELY OVERWHELMING!
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    Quote Quote from Janis Whitlock
    So, all in all, my sex life has not been anything like you have probably already seen on movies or in porn clips or whatever is passed off today as sex for the cheap thrill it brings. I have loved most of my partners and definitely felt connected to everyone else (except one – story for another time).
    Good heavens! What young man wants to know so much about the sex life of his mother!? Then she promises to bombard the poor lad with some extension of her sultry past - it's disgusting and enough to turn off most boys who have not already been groomed and seduced by mommy.

    For her, a woman, to say to any man "there is nothing you have felt inside yourself that I have not felt myself" is sheer ludicrous nonsense. Do women in general really believe they know what it is to be a man, to feel sexual desire the way a man's brain is organised to feel it?

    To reassure a child that they cannot shock a parent and that any subject is not taboo is commendable if it is sincere. But to pretend that they know what someone else's experiences are like is fatuous projection that is totally unhelpful, and indicates and unwillingness to listen but only to lecture.
  244. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    And yet it is only men that are not allowed to sit next to unaccompanied children on an airliner. Another victory for "common knowledge."
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    I have a big list of studies on female offenders of on my blog. A lot of this research are done by women who appear to be horrified that children are denied basic protection when female pedophilia is not even acknowledged.

    I found this online: Bad Bad Teachers -
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    I think the feminist "Good Man Project" might be an undercover website by some MRAs to produce Angry Men Against Feminism. Several men who can think for themselves seem to come away from that website with a much clearer idea of what they need to fight against to get a better society for men, women and children.
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    You're welcome.
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    Thank-you!
  249. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    Another superb effort. I have posted this link on LinkedIn updates, and will use it as a resource to refer to and share from here on.

    Thanks as always, NMA.

    RLM,E
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    I just figured that out, Nomereape.
    Thanks for the input.
    They removed my comment an hour after I posted it.
  251. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    As many here may know, I have spent a good deal of time on LinkedIn lately. This is an environment where self-promotion is held out as the laudable norm (known there as "personal branding", though that evokes a painful image from here in cattle country...). I just want to point out that the author of this bibliography has done little to promote himself and his efforts, and that I find that praiseworthy. It also reminds us that promoting others, and accepting a backseat role while elevating the accomplishments and ideas of others, is among those manly traits I miss the most in this feminized age of vanity and self-praise. I encourage the practice by members here, and will also try to continue elevating others where possible.

    And thanks again to the OP for all his worthy efforts.
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    "Good Men Project" is a feminist website that serves little to no help for men looking for help of any kind.
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    Quote Quote from Rof L Mao Esq
    I posted a link to this on the LinkedIn home page, for all those "branded" pseudo-intellectuals out there who think parroting the latest fads in memetics and being "positive" all the time about everything means they have a working brain.
    The "academic left" has now become worse than any extremist religious ideology interfering with children's education (eg: creationism). I've witnessed this madness in person.
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    Quote Quote from Douglas
    An excellent list.

    It is interesting to note that 11 of the 18 books in the first list have female authors, in part or whole. Women are proving central to an understanding of the damage feminism causes and will be essential in helping society recover a proper balance for the benefit of all.
    It was intentional. Plenty of women are now saying NO! to feminism because feminists have officially adopted the doctrine that "mothers" are "sleeping with the enemy". The very group that claims to be speaking for the "welfare of women" is attacking every one of the values that most women hold dear.
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    An excellent list.

    It is interesting to note that 11 of the 18 books in the first list have female authors, in part or whole. Women are proving central to an understanding of the damage feminism causes and will be essential in helping society recover a proper balance for the benefit of all.
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    An excellent list. Well done.
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    I posted a link to this on the LinkedIn home page, for all those "branded" pseudo-intellectuals out there who think parroting the latest fads in memetics and being "positive" all the time about everything means they have a working brain.
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    Firstly I have to thank you for the work. Had to do with the first post.
    Second, we men, have lost the battle with feminazism-femicomunism-femistalinism or feminism. We remain to fight for kids. And in your work I do not see the percentage, of that kind of woman who offer,incite ... cover very consciously a rape against his own children. Boy or a girl. In the statistics this kind of rapes ar comited by a men. Without excepcions, the man is the only mark. What I want to point out is principaly 2 things: 1. The Medea myth exist and is confirmed in every each day. Woman hatred against childrens from previous relationship is not computing nowhere. Something very close to what I try to say was wery well reflected in "Precious" an 2009 oscarized american movie. 2. In a robbery who are waiting out with the engine running is as well guilty like who was with the gun in the hand. In actuality this side of rape against a chilren is allmost not known. Even there are an oscarized movie (sorry).
    I do not talk about that kind of rape where the female is the uniq pepetrator. I talk about that kind of rape against a child where the male is cosidered the author but there are 2-two authors. It"s a binomial author. All over the world the statistics are inflate with a lot of crimes, like a rape against childrens, COMITED ONLY BY MEN. Whitout exception.
    The percentage of this kind of crimes, because is a crime, I want to underlining EXIST and WE MEN are carryng with the guilty of 2.
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    Quote Quote from Ioan
    I do not see where the cases where women incite male partner, who is not the child's father, to child abuse to not lose the relationship. In this case, the mother is just as guilty. Is more often than are belived that woman protect new relatinship by inciting abuse against children from previous relatinship.
    Only about 15-25% of the cases involve a co-abuser. In all other cases, the female rapists operate completely alone.
  260. michael k's Avatar
    Here's another draconian, decidedly anti-male piece of New York legislation dated 1995:

    Quote Quote from New York State Legislature enacted 'The Family Protection and Domestic Violence Intervention Act'.
    The former method of dealing with domestic violence was to advise partners to kiss and make up. In contrast to this, New York State has enacted a pro-arrest policy, in line with the National Agenda which has now placed family violence as a priority. The Department of Health and Human Services has determined that domestic violence is the number one cause of injury and/or death to women.

    According to a Department of Justice Press Release in March 1995, each year three to four million women are victims of family violence. More than two-thirds of violent crimes against women are committed by husbands, boyfriends, or someone known to the women. One third of all women killed in the U.S. die at the hands of a husband or boyfriend.
    read more here
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    GA DFCS ("dept of female & child services") told me "get over it and find yerself another girlfriend"?
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    "Ex" did this to me so many instances can't count . . . water under the bridge (achm lol, exclaim point )
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    A Note on The Use Of Force:
    from "Idols of the Tribe, Prejudice and other fallacies natural to humanity in general"

    "For man's sense is falsely asserted" (by Progagoras' "Man is the measure of all things") "to be the standard of things: on the contrary, all the perceptions, both of the senses and the mind, bear reference to man and not to the universe; and the human mind resembles those uneven mirrors which impart their own properties to different objects . . . and distort and disfigure them" Novum Organum,i,41. . . . "the human understanding, from its peculiar nature, easily supposes a greater degree of order and regularity in things than it really finds . . . Hence the fiction" Ibid,i,45

    . . . the human understanding, when any proposition has been once laid down (either from general admission and belief, or from the pleasure it affords), forces everything else to add fresh support and confirmation: and although most congent and abundant instances may exist to the contrary, yet either does not observe, or despises them, or it gets rid of and rejects them by some distinction, with violent and injurious prejudice, rather than sacrifice the authority of its first conclusion. It was well answered by him who was shown in a temple the votive tablets suspended by such as had escaped the peril of shipwreck, and was pressed as to whether he would then recognize the power of the gods . . . 'But where are the portraits of those that have perished in spite of their vows?' All superstition is much the same, whether it be that of astrology, dreams, omens, retributive judgement, or the like, in all the deluded believers observe events which are fulfilled, but neglect and pass over their failure, though it be much more common" Ibid,i,46

    "Having first determined the question according to his will, man then resorts to experience; and bending her into conformity with his placets, leads her about like a captive in a procession." Ibid,i.63

    Valerius Terminus
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    Here's something from the comments that I occasionally - but too infrequently - bring up:

    Quote Quote from Erin Pizzey
    How could the entire Western world be fooled so completely by a laughable political theory that all men are potential rapist and batteres because they carry a ‘y’ chromazone?
    Quote Quote from George Rolph
    ...The other question is, can we wake them up?
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    take the money away and they will all leave
    I sometimes emphasise that I see feminism as a form of mental illness because victims of it cannot see the world as it truly is. However, there are some feminists that undoubtedly can see the world correctly but make fat earnings from it and wish to perpetuate it not just for political reasons but because it lines their pockets.
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    Great read!!!
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    I do not see where the cases where women incite male partner, who is not the child's father, to child abuse to not lose the relationship. In this case, the mother is just as guilty. Is more often than are belived that woman protect new relatinship by inciting abuse against children from previous relatinship.
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    Quote Quote from Douglas
    Great work summarising the statistics.

    I have a problem with the percentages you mention in that you don't say what they are a percentage of. For example "Female pedophiles abuse children at alarmingly high rates (25-45%)" could refer to a comparison with men (in which case, why is a minority 'alarming'?), or with women overall (over a quarter of women - I don't believe it!), or with children (again, over a quarter of children abused by women seems too high). Each of the percentages should state what they are a percentage of, since even "Most female pedophiles act completely alone (75-85%)" is only implying that over three-quarters of female pedophiles act completely alone, rather than a comparison with men, or something else.
    Thanks for your comment.

    Yes, you are absolutely right that I should make it clear what the numbers are compared to. Sexual offenses in general, make up for a small % of crimes.

    EDIT: I have overhauled the entire post (and the entire series) for better clarity and accuracy. Feedback is always welcome.
    Updated 4th-May-2013 at 04:08 PM by nomereape
  268. Douglas's Avatar
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    Great work summarising the statistics.

    I have a problem with the percentages you mention in that you don't say what they are a percentage of. For example "Female pedophiles abuse children at alarmingly high rates (25-45%)" could refer to a comparison with men (in which case, why is a minority 'alarming'?), or with women overall (over a quarter of women - I don't believe it!), or with children (again, over a quarter of children abused by women seems too high). Each of the percentages should state what they are a percentage of, since even "Most female pedophiles act completely alone (75-85%)" is only implying that over three-quarters of female pedophiles act completely alone, rather than a comparison with men, or something else.
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    Thank you for your kind words.

    It's great to see more people campaigning against ridiculous and biased policies.

    I recommend that you take a look at Fiebert's bibliography because it contains at least a dozen references to female-perpetrated sexual violence and sexual coercion — both of which can be categorized as violence and sexual offense.

    This was the big overlap problem that I ran into and the reason why I had to split this into parts. Re-categorizing lists is a lot of frustrating work and there's still work to be done.
  270. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    Superb piece of work! This is going to become one of my regular pass-on links in my ongoing campaign to rid this nation of the Violence Against Women Act.

    http://antimisandry.com/activism-kno...#axzz2S5ksPZ00
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    Good summary.

    Can be extended to sub-categories.
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    Quote Quote from felixblue
    The dreams of ridiculous concepts like "equal parenting" post seperation can now be clearly seen for the folly of folks with not much of a clue how men and women think after they have split up..
    The concept of Equality Parenting appeared out of the blue as a moral imperative about a decade or so ago. It was a piece of duct tape for a set of laws that pretty rapidly exposed theirs flaws when implemented. Making radical and ideologically based changes to anything involving human behavior is always an utter disaster. Without the Equal Parenting quick fix there would have been public revulsion and outrage at our new found 'progressive' Family Law system. The whole system is ill thought out.
    Updated 27th-March-2013 at 03:10 AM by Xxavier
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    The paradox is.. the MRM is full to the brim with issues arising from "postmodern" lifestyles.. When I was studying sociology some years ago.. Postmodernism was all about step families, no "grand narratives" and yeah, anything goes..

    Bag of shit really though aint it?

    The dreams of ridiculous concepts like "equal parenting" post seperation can now be clearly seen for the folly of folks with not much of a clue how men and women think after they have split up..

    I mean, if they could get along so well POST seperation...???

    (Why the fuck didnt they agree to differ and NOT seperate if they really wanted to put the kids first?.. You know, like what decent folks did 30 years previous before society decided to embrace utter selfishness and indulgence as a viable long term lifetsyle choice..)
  274. Xxavier's Avatar
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    Those are important ideas beyond the simplistic social and political models of many, and the curse of much of modern political discourse.
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    Quote Quote from michael k
    " Inequality will exist as long as liberty exists. It unavoidably results from that very liberty itself. "

    Equality Ends at Birth

    Alexander Hamilton 1787, have added ty.
  276. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    Looks like a comparison between a recipe for mudballs and one for spitwads, so each side can distract themselves from what the other might be saying by focusing narrowly on how they are saying it.

    For instance, if within a modernist approach, "participants are forced again and again to return to the drawing board and produce better arguments", I'd say MRAs about as modern as leeching.

    And if men advocating for action on behalf of men want to be thought of as other than post-modern, the following might sting a little:

    "lacking means by which to negotiate or accommodate such intractable differences within its mode of conversation, it will typically resort to the most fiercely antagonistic, demonizing, and personal attacks upon the opposition."

    Dissecting the arcana and minutiae of how people say what they have to say is little more than a hifalutin argument in favor of refusing to simply listen, and argue well in return.
  277. men_are_humans's Avatar
    Maybe this alpha/beta phenomenon is something that we men also have a fault for.

    Like marginalising the ugly men , the turn out to become betas.

    Or like never punishing women for their mistakes. Is this not our fault ?
  278. Windowolf's Avatar
    There are plenty of women who claim that they simply could not resist; a woman thinks instinctively. If a woman cheats, then tells her boyfriend or husband later, you can safely assume that the version you're told is a doctored one. When they're cheating, they do not think of their boyfriends or husbands; they think of the fantastic sex they're having with a dominant man. It is only later that their minds try to explain what happened. Lonely, not enough attention from their significant others, those things. In that respect, apologies are usually also nonsense, because they're not really sorry; they just want the security, both social and financial, that a steady relationship offers.

    Some say the alpha/beta/delta/gamma/omega division does not work; however, if you get on a bus and look around for a few minutes, you can count each category. You'll see the men who've never had sex, you'll see the men who cling to a woman who's clearly a dishonest, lazy fatty, and you'll see the men women are pining after.

    The alpha males tend to look smug, tend to be surrounded by people and seem to be communicating, at least on some elementary level, all the time. The men who serve desperately tend to sit quietly, listening to music or reading something. The real omega males stand out in that they're odd; you get the feeling, even if you're a gamma at best, that they're not like you and me.
  279. Xxavier's Avatar
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    Thanks nice additions, keep 'em coming.
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    I am impressed.
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    It is inequality that makes "the pursuit of happiness" something more than a dry run or a futile chase. It is inequality that makes the race. It is the father of every joy and the giver of every good gift. More than 2000 years ago Aristotle said: "Equality may exist only among slaves." Slavery is the end result of levelling. In the fruitless effort to achieve equality short of slavery the peaks must be bulldozed into the valleys to make a level plain. Such may be done only through the process now called "social engineering" which holds that the end justifies the means. Those means must ever be force, restriction, terror and a complete loss of liberty.

    Equality may be imposed only in a despotism. Equality beyond the range of legal rights is despotic restraint. It is nowhere sought to be imposed except in the communistic sewers of slavic slavery. As Francis Lieber pointed out in his great work on Civil Liberty (page 334) 100 years ago: "Equality absolutely carried out leads to communism."

    The prophecy is now being realized in America. It is not the "American creed." It is the creed of Marxism and the come-on of Communism.
  282. michael k's Avatar
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    " Inequality will exist as long as liberty exists. It unavoidably results from that very liberty itself. "

    Equality Ends at Birth
  283. wrand's Avatar
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    Very good stories--What is NOT said speaks louder than the words on the page. Your 100 word stories remind me of the Japanese form Haiku http://www.ahapoetry.com/haiku.htm. I'm glad to meet another writer on the site. I write horror and erotic novels that are anitfeminist and favor men.
  284. Percy's Avatar
    How couples decide to share their gender resources and time is up to them and I am sure some people will take issue with your way of doing things. But that is par for the course too.

    Most of the heat in the 'home' divisions of responsibility come from the feminist side of the debate with their constant demands that 'men must do their share'. A share of pedantic polishing is not what most men want, however, especially the incessant, over-kill cleaning that most women demand. And while men still in the main go out to work one rarely if ever hears women offering to go into the man's workplace for several hours a day to 'do their share' of his work.

    From a man in the MRM's perspective the issues of home division of work is not the point. It is the constant carping backed-up by Government 'policiy' that combines to make men 'the Bad Guys'.

    'Enough' !, I say.
  285. Douglas's Avatar
    All too often, MRAs run scared of equal sex rights legislation because of the way such things have been used to disadvantage men. Yet if the legislation is truly unbiased then it is only the implementation that can harm men. Unless people don't think there should be equality between the sexes (and I know there are many women who still fight against it, just as many women fought against women having the vote) then there can be no reason not to back such legislation. The issue is then to USE it!

    In the UK, new and simplified anti-discrimination legislation was feared by many MRAs yet it has done a great deal of good for men, it has forced women to accept equality in many areas, and it has forced local government to provide services for men that was previously denied them.
  286. Celtic Druid's Avatar
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    She got a pitiful nine years prison (out in 4 years!). Guilty of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility and not guilty of Mr Clinch’s murder.

    Sandra Clinch: Wife who stabbed fourth husband to death because he wouldn't tidy the house is jailed | Mail Online

    My reply (not posted):

    Firstly, why the omission, once again, of the phrase 'domestic violence' when stories about violent women are reported? Secondly, this brutish woman has a long history of violence, and clearly like many other violent women, she was allowed to run amok without penalty. So because of inaction by the liberal establishment, to punish her equally as a man, they are complicit in the grisly fate of Mr Clinch. The reason gynocentric/chivalrous judges always commutes what should have been a murder charge to manslaughter (as in this case), is not just to lessen the length of the woman's sentence and mitigate her culpability, but it ensures it won't show up in the domestic violence statistics as a 'murder.' In fact, if all those women who've murdered men were rightly charged with murder, instead of manslaughter, the male domestic violence murders would be comparable to women. This discounting in sentencing for women can be attributed to feminists hijacking the judiciary years ago.
  287. Marx's Avatar
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    So why blog it? It's over now... why continue to draw attention to it? This is not what the blog is intended for.
  288. encryption1's Avatar
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    Its not, that was my point. Trying to show him he was acting like a feminist, instead of a Man. Bitching about a picture and Demanding I change it. Sounds like a BITCH to me.
  289. Marx's Avatar
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    And how is attacking fellow MRA's helping?
  290. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    Dude, I'm tellin ya, all the exclamation points do is place your writing on a level with affiliate-marketing promos and travel-package sites. If you have something serious to say I think the average Joe can make it out without being guided along by your little trail markers.

    You want me to take you seriously? Then write like it.
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    Quote Quote from Chris Key
    Rugby union is a boring, wimpy version of the two rugby codes. The other code, rugby league, is far tougher, more exciting and requires far more skill.
    Agreed
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    I may be off on a tangent here but here goes....

    Lyse Doucet (Canadian born) is a high profile reporter for the BBC World Service and is regularly on TV in Asia.

    She spent time in Afghanistan and Jordan.

    According to Wiki she was born on 24th December 1958 - but what's a year difference?

    Her sister is Andrea Doucet:
    Andrea Doucet is a Canadian sociologist and writer. She is Professor of Sociology and Gender Studies at Brock University, and holds the Canada Research Chair in Gender, Work and Care. She is also the editor of the academic journal Fathering.[2][3] She is the sister of Lyse Doucet.[
    Andrea is the author of a book called "DO MEN MOTHER?"

    Despite the feminist-based inspiration, it's pretty even-handed. So much so that her talks garnered criticism from feminist groups and praise from Fathers Rights groups.

    My guess is that Andrea is planning another book and the sisters are helping each other out. Another guess would be that MRM sites have been targeted in order to gather information.

    But I could be totally wrong.......
  293. yinyangbalance's Avatar
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    Very interesting how you decided to make more money, and suddenly got it in an extreme way!

    Please read "the Secret". This book will explain this, as well as your entire life. You will see that your situations throughout life is merely a manifestation of what is inside you.
  294. michael k's Avatar
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    Weird your ex feels the need to conceal and has found another man a well . . . .

    Are you both "religious"?

    You don't mention what she does for a living. Could it be *especially in the bible belt* that she still cannot break the habit of view/abusing men as a "financial plan" and simply cannot find another woman able to support her in the manner to which she has grown accustomed ?
  295. michael k's Avatar
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    Always believed in KARMA *what good goes around comes around* . . .

    . . . and may your lying, forever angry "ex" find the true WIFE BEATER she justly deserves !
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    lol "sexually dominated" by whom? A woman? An airport TSA agent, another male? Personally i increasingly find female "liberation" / sexual aggression displeasing at best and worse case down right intimidating . . .

    but must acknowledge also have next to none "libido" and am far from what's considered "typical male".
  297. wh666's Avatar
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    Occasionally I do.

    For me, it isn't about submission but just about having a ravenous partner who wants me, instead of me feeling like I'm making all the sexual effort, having someone make all of it, from initiation to completion. You often feel that way, when it's still considered the man's role to initiate or ppropose sex. Haven't felt like that in a good long while though, often I've wondered if it's possible for your virginity to grow back.
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    Don't know my libido limboed out years ago
  299. Les Bowring's Avatar
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    Good on you I truly hope you find the happiness you deserve
  300. Celtic Druid's Avatar
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    Or does this idea of domination hail from decades of instilling into the male population feminine values above masculine ones? If so, does it really need to lead to a war?

    Lets have Ldoucette, let her prove to us.
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    Well for me it's about letting go of my male power, after spending each day earning more than women being in control of stuff and generally telling women what to do it's quite a release to submit and be dominated, controlled, abused, to relinquish that innate male superiority just for a short while helps me relax and wind down ........
  302. KellyMac's Avatar
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    What is wrong with you? Are you mentally ill? They can treat that now, you know.
  303. Celtic Druid's Avatar
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    For those who aren't aware what our new feminist troll is talking about, she's referencing the Catherine Kieu Becker story, where she chopped off her husband's penis and tossed it in the garbage disposal.

    She made a similar sick reply in only her second post, which was deleted.

    http://antimisandry.com/discriminati...#axzz25lma1qMz

    Originally Posted by Celtic Druid
    Given that cutting off a man's penis is the darkest manifestation of male hatred possible, and universally so many women express disturbing glee at such a sickening story - it reminds us how thoroughly acceptable misandry has become and it's magnitude.

    Men however, certainly the vast majority, would not find a woman being similarly mutilated either funny, blameworthy or say that she probably deserved it etc. This is where men hold the moral high ground.
    Ldoucette1959 replies: No one has asked the obvious question.....How is the garbage disposal? A fine piece of kitchen equipment may have to be replaced.
    Given this, she has received an infraction for advocating, inciting and mocking the sexual mutilation of males.
  304. Celtic Druid's Avatar
    Ldoucette1959 said: The members here don't give a twig about taking responsibility.
    And you overgeneralize for someone who only just joined a few days ago.
  305. Ldoucette1959's Avatar
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    I'll go ahead and get us some contacts, I personally can be in charge of addressing hand written invites to the ASPC, ECW, NAACP, and MSNBC....I think we have a winner with the Episcopal Church Women, they can really be of an instrumental help.
  306. Ldoucette1959's Avatar
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    I was going to host the 'We're Having a Revolution' party, but the time and date seems to coincide with member masturbatory times.....should I freeze the tacos? Let me know.
  307. Ldoucette1959's Avatar
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    Does your household need a new garbage disposal?? I've been doing my homework to refer only industrial strength equipment at Liquidation prices.
  308. Ldoucette1959's Avatar
    The members here don't give a twig about taking responsibility. Your comments are blowing in the wind from some sots taco fest. Sooner or later, you yourself will find excuses for being unable to interact with society, and blame it on the existence of women.
  309. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    This story has so many parallels to my own life as a dad, and thank God the actual allegations haven't come around. But with my youngest who is seven, there is no escaping the dirty looks I get from the school's secretary (the most powerful woman in the building), nurse and principal, and I am glad we are all leaving the area soon and moving her to a new school.

    Her parents are unmarried, live in the same house, and known locally to have been through a very ugly custody fight three years ago which we went on to solve ourselves, and re-established our friendship. This clearly offends the contradictory sensibilities of a Bible-belt backwater where most of the women work for hair-and-nails money while the men provide the bulk of the income, creating a highly mom-centered, gatekeeping environment in the schools.

    My daughter's mom, on the other hand, currently has the only income for the household, and I am seen around the school far more than she is (having had her fill long ago of the whole pack of judging harpies), so I am sure that 'abuser', 'bum', 'loser', or worse is just on the tip of the all-female faculty's and staff's tongues.

    So far my daughter has not had any ill effects of this approach to her parents, but I have noticed for years a certain "adoptive pity" toward children that caregivers feel have the wrong kind of parents, and just the other day (an early warning of this effect) I saw her teacher give her a kiss on the forehead, that would have landed a male teacher in prison and branded a sex offender. At the same moment I caught myself worrying that how I greeted my daughter, as she ran up to me smiling to tell me about her day, was what was being watched by the throng of moms in front of the building.

    At the new school I plan to meet the staff and teachers before she ever enrolls, and make it clear that I am "Mister Collins" to them, and not "mom's boyfriend" or any other reductionist label. All I know is to face down this cowardly, puritanical denunciationism with head high and on my own terms.

    God help us all, dads, moms and children, because by all indications the paranoia and fear-mongering are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

    Good luck in your own fatherly quest.
  310. That Nordic Guy's Avatar
    I might at that. haha I't will be this evening before I can make anything happen though as I am on my lunch break now but I'll PM you shortly.
  311. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Quote Quote from Joseph Girmann
    I think we can do it. I don't have a yahoo account but I can make that fairly quickly after work today.
    *steeples fingers and twirls villain Mustache* Dino, lets make it happen!
    send me a PM with contact info and we'll discuss ways and means. got any friends with a sense of humor who want to pose as the hapless couple?
  312. That Nordic Guy's Avatar
    I think we can do it. I don't have a yahoo account but I can make that fairly quickly after work today.
    *steeples fingers and twirls villain Mustache* Dino, lets make it happen!
  313. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Quote Quote from Joseph Girmann
    I have a better idea, lets post this for real on the News article about the woman. Then when the Misogyny comments flow we spring the trap and let them have it with both barrels!
    Actually JG I think that is a superb idea. I don't know how Marx feels about hoaxes, but this would be a doozy. After the smoke clears we'd be like, "all in good fun, ladies..."

    I'll write the story myself. Just say the word.
  314. That Nordic Guy's Avatar
    I have a better idea, lets post this for real on the News article about the woman. Then when the Misogyny comments flow we spring the trap and let them have it with both barrels!
  315. johnkimble1's Avatar
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    The best way to "windup" gender feminists is to confront them with the truth and to expose what they're up to.

    Search for any sexist feminist MPs with blogs which allow comments and expose their sexism for everyone to see. Find sexist feminist organisations on youtube and add comments exposing what they're up to and downvote every last video they have - they'll hate it!

    Use strong terminology and condemn they severely, but never resort to offensive language or abuse. When you find a good target carry on exposing their hypocrisy day after day after day, on their site, on youtube on Twitter - everywhere! If they try to block you then make a new account and hit them twice as hard as before.
  316. Fabrizio Napoleoni's Avatar
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    It seems that Krista committed suicide. I kindly ask all to stop commenting on this blog post.
    things have gone wrong, terribly wrong.
    Guys she was just a sad and desperate woman Let's move on...


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    Marx,

    You are fucking awesome.

    Wh666,

    You are fucking awesome.

    Elaborate on your request.

    We are borg, you will be assimilated. Resistance is fun, if you are a redhead in tights.
  318. wh666's Avatar
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    Context is needed
  319. Marx's Avatar
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    I don't agree with the above statement
  320. Marx's Avatar
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    I wish I'd made the connection of this blog and my phone conversation.

    Thanks to outdoors for bringing it to my attention.
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    There is an opportunity for you to meet the very folks here who could be instrumental in getting the revolution started Les.. August 4th in Manchester.. You are a local gent, so hope to see you there!
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    Glad to see your return, Les.
  323. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    My hope is that change for men can be based on what we want as a future in gender relations, not a revolt against past wrongs with no further defined objectives. Without a positive platform of desired conditions as an outcome of reform, revolution becomes self-perpetuating and engages full-time in the hunt for further enemies. Witness, say, feminism, for instance.
  324. Marx's Avatar
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    lol, sounds like you're loving their company...
  325. KellyMac's Avatar
    Quote Quote from dinohip51
    So many problems have obvious, easy solutions just waiting to be implemented, and the technical side is rarely the obstacle. It is usually getting the wax out of folks' ears and arguing past the bullshit they believe without question that presents the real challenge. With that I wish you all the best. I haven't a doubt in the world that the energy in water is more than enough to fuel all kinds of motors, but whether you can get past a petroleum-obsessed culture of absolute dunderheads and sell it to them is another matter. It's not unlike telling folks that married women taking the kids and running away to Mom's is child abuse.
    Dude, it may seem obvious to you, but I think I'll stick to compliance auditing.
  326. Celtic Druid's Avatar
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    Before you embark upon any worthwhile revolution, you first lay down the seeds of opposition, as we are doing most successively on this forum.
  327. Marx's Avatar
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    We're slowly heading in that direction, Les.
  328. Andy Man's Avatar
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    Most people are blind to misandry, as it is normalized in society. The view of most (inc. most men) lies somewhere between "feminism is about equality and it's a great thing" and, "feminism is about equality but things have gone a bit too far." Few will easily accept a simple "no nonsense here are the facts" message. We need to build up a body of men behind the scenes first. It will take time. However, don't despair. It is possible for a few people to change the world--it is the only thing that ever has.

    If you haven't already, also check out: A Voice for Men
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    Nice article. Well done.
  330. Marx's Avatar
    That was quick... are you spying on me? O_o


    Oh my, I'm a victim of a stalker - sumboody haaaalp mee!
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    hello test
  332. Marx's Avatar
    You'd no doubt get on well with Garak.
  333. FloatyBoaty's Avatar
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    It's all a big scheme to destroy people.

    Illuminati & Rap Music
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    I always used to think that the US , like the UK has an "innocent until proven guilty" law .
    Clearly , neither nation can make such a claim , at least for men .
    When i 1st got divoced my lawyer said to me "You have every right to stay in your house , unless she accuses you of violence "
    No way ,I said . I won't hit her "
    She replied "No ,you didn't hear me . I said if she "ACCUSED " you of hitting her "
    Clearly , all a woman has to do is to shout "domestic violence" and the man will be put inside .
    And to think , feminists still squak about "Oppression . They don't know the meaning of the word .
  335. FloatyBoaty's Avatar
    You've always done well with writing and speaking. I think you should write a book, or maybe a few articles.

    My opinion on the matter follows what Andy Man said. Every person has their own life to live and should decide how to live that life. Once two come together and have a child, no more is there the individual - but the family unit. For a woman, or man, to be a feminist in itself is the right of that person; it is not their right to persecute others who are not the same or even those who look down on them.
  336. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Brad,

    Just now realized you left this comment, thanks. I already sent you a PM because I found your username interesting. Colorado, huh? Land of no-fault divorce and unenforced statutes... I left there a long time ago for those and other reasons, including the fear of an economy entirely turned over to tourism and real estate speculation. From how it sounds I got out none too soon. For years there was always plenty of work, back when banks would lend to anyone with a pulse...

    You can read more about my situation in a thread by FloatyBoaty (good guy) about parental abduction, but just now I have no good news to report. I hope in a few more years when my son grows up he will seek out more contact with his dad and the other half of his family, but right now I think he's the only fourteen-year-old on earth without a cell phone and a facebook page, or he would be going around his mom and stepdad to get in touch.

    I have been doing a little reading about Parental Alienation Disorder, and his story is classic. I fear all the conflict between his two natural parents has already done damage and I am not completely innocent. I really do despise that woman and have made little effort to hide it. What she and all her relatives have said about me all along, I can make a pretty good guess.

    For years I have just held on and hoped for better things. I have a six-year-old daughter and I live in the same house with her and her mom, so she gets a lot of what my boy has missed. That's life...
  337. Andy Man's Avatar
    Well written. I certainly agree that men must decide what direction they need to take.
  338. Andy Man's Avatar
    I wan to help, but I don't how. It's sure frustrating. Will PM you.
  339. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    Quote Quote from Neil Spencer
    No lets stick with science and leave mumbo jumbo to others.
    I don't know whom that comment was aimed at, but is it called for?
  340. Neil Spencer's Avatar
    No lets stick with science and leave mumbo jumbo to others.
  341. Ragnar's Avatar
    Thanks for the introduction to the article ChristianJ.
    It's a good way to describe how MGTOW came to life.
    I'm otherwise not commenting much anywhere, just lurking.
  342. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
    I'm not sure if this was your point or not, but one of my pet peeves about feminism and its invasive status in most elements of modern life is that it is basically a pseudoscience, a set of beliefs held mostly because people believe them, like the old comic-opera song that goes "we're here because we're here because we're here because we're here..."

    It is a very powerful thing, myth. The genius of feminism has long been its ability to inject false and unsupportable claims into popular culture in the guise of common knowledge, ie "everybody knows women get paid less, abused more, are better caregivers, etc." Once these ideologies become acceptable as truths they are self-perpetuating with no further requirement that they be verified or corroborated by evidence.

    You have shared with me privately an interest in alternative technology, and I applaud your efforts and enthusiasm as well as caution you about the mythology and the propaganda you will have to navigate in order for those ideas to take root among the public. Passive solar is the one area I know anything about in that realm, and it is really little more than observing and respecting the flow of air enough to first overheat some of it in a space and then be sure and design an air flow scheme that moves warm air in a direction it is bound to go anyway, either up or toward cooler air. But the myth that destroyed the massive gains for passive solar during the Jimmy Carter years was that it just made houses too hot and too brightly lit by unwanted sunlight, and all during the 80s and 90s I watched and participated as well in the dismantling of one passive solar system after another, because people were so ready to believe the myths and take the easy way out and install central HVAC systems instead of do a little head-scratching and figure out what air does. If you want to understand solar energy just fly over the West on a sunny day after a snowstorm. The sun warms where it can reach, and spaces just adjacent that are still in shade stay deadly cold.

    Once I thawed out pipes on the east end of a house after a bitter cold New Mexico night, and a day where all the areas in shade were still frozen rock solid, and meanwhile the west end of the house was in full sun that melted eight inches of snow in two hours and there was oozing mud on the ground. I just removed one piece of skirting under the sunny side of the double-wide (the landlady thought I had gone crazy) and put a fan in the opening, pulling the warm air toward the cold. The frozen pipes were thirty feet back under the house but they thawed out in minutes, and the water came back on inside.

    So many problems have obvious, easy solutions just waiting to be implemented, and the technical side is rarely the obstacle. It is usually getting the wax out of folks' ears and arguing past the bullshit they believe without question that presents the real challenge. With that I wish you all the best. I haven't a doubt in the world that the energy in water is more than enough to fuel all kinds of motors, but whether you can get past a petroleum-obsessed culture of absolute dunderheads and sell it to them is another matter. It's not unlike telling folks that married women taking the kids and running away to Mom's is child abuse.
  343. FloatyBoaty's Avatar
    Btw, I did this in the middle of the night. Now that I look at it, it's kinda random.
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    It's really a shame that we cannot be updated or more informed about whats going on with this.
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    I don’t think I would do the Marriage thing again no matter how good the Girl was.
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    Oh God brother I Pray for you.

    I almost cant read you article, because I can see your point.

    Honestly man these days I would not even consider being married to a women in this society. Or for that matter even cohabiting with them.

    They are complete garbage.

    Really I come to hate them more and more each day.

    But here you have brothers that support you.
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    PS. We are from all over the world here. You are not a "foreigner", but a friend.
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    Hi Khaled,

    I'm so sorry to hear how this woman is behaving. I really hope that things work out well for you.

    Best wishes

    Andy
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    Christina Bruce, spokesperson with Alberta Human Services says the provincial government has made a continued effort to help male victims of domestic violence and that many public resources, including family abuse shelters, are available to men.

    Where?

    I found this;

    Christina Bruce, a spokeswoman for the province's Human Services department, said no one is turned away from an emergency shelter without some form of help. Women are referred to other shelters or provided with emergency hotel accommodation, she said.
    "If someone can't be accommodated in a shelter for a number of reasons, they're not turned away. They receive help and support in other ways," she said.


    Women
    then this,same story;

    Helping women out of violent situations and breaking the cycle of abuse takes a continuum of services, Garrett said, from emergency shelters to transitional to affordable housing.
    "It's not a quick fix," she said.

    The province provides annual funding of $26 million to women's shelters. In 2012-13, staff at women's shelters will receive a five per cent wage increase, and two lump sum payments of $1,500 will be given to contract workers who support vulnerable children, youth, families and people with developmental disabilities.
  350. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    My unpopular notion is that most folks' lives are pretty safe to begin with, but plenty of men will take irresponsible risks and place themselves and women in danger in order to prove to them that they can make them feel safe. Backed into a corner most women are a lot more ferocious and merciless than men, so why do they require men to play at protecting them when they can protect themselves just fine?

    (BTW the red light on my profile reflects the opinion of one user, not "many" as claimed...)
  351. outdoors's Avatar
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    I hope I helped raise a few bucks for the shelter.

    We cannot let this close down.

    Where is the government funding?
  352. Traveler's Avatar
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    Holy crap. Will someone please tell me this is just a horribly revolting form of satire? No sane person could ever ACTUALLY want this. I can't even get halfway through this without feeling nauseous...
  353. Fabrizio Napoleoni's Avatar
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    Women want safety, men want freedom, well summed up!

    Feminism want women to be safe by sending men in jail...my take
  354. FloatyBoaty's Avatar
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    Nice post.
  355. Nikonian's Avatar
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    Matriachries have ALWAYS been more violent than patriarchies...
  356. scullion's Avatar
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    tick tock, tick tock
  357. Douglas's Avatar
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    The are very few problems in this world which aren't shared by all type of humans. That is your main problem there. Feminists often are gynocentric if not much more narrow in their assumptions of a human problem.
    This sums up so much of feminism's problems. Even those few issues that could be said to be exclusively feminine (e.g. menstruation) do not only affect females, and very often males are needed to completely help solve/fix/help/understand the issue. This means that males need to be involved in all issues that they are willing to be involved in.

    The same is true the other way around. Women need to be involved in the issues men are having with (for example) testicular cancer because even an issue that could be said to be exclusively masculine affects women, too.

    We need a lot less of the feminist-created gender war and a lot more of families and society working together to help one another.
  358. Marx's Avatar
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    ...adding that women deal with change better than men...
    I wonder why society is accepting of claims for female superiority, such as the above quote, yet get so upset when anyone suggests men are better at something than women.

    Take for example the case when Larry Summers suggested that boys might just be naturally better at maths & science. This causes several feminists to claim they felt 'physically sick'. I bet they didn't feel sick when they read the above quote.
  359. Marx's Avatar
    A typical hypocrite..
    Should read:

    "A typical feminist.." - both are accurate and seemingly interchangeable
  360. FloatyBoaty's Avatar
    It sounds like a good thing...
  361. Lori's Avatar
    Nice to see another woman not condoning the treatment of sexuality as a commodity or unnecessary chore.
  362. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    Welcome. I appreciate your frustrations but you may be overlooking some factors. Different people have different motives for remaining anonymous, some men are even living in fugitive status because of child support and paternity issues. Also the internet is one of the last places a person can seek objective discussion based not on emotional and sensory cues of personal interaction but a more pure exchange of ideas; even this form of anonymity is illusory, as anyone with any hacking skills can break down all the protections, but it is relaxing and clarifying to just express oneself verbally without trying to manage interpersonal reactions.

    I agree with you that this is unfortunate. My dream world is where men could recognize the wasted strength and solidarity that is destroyed by a combination of pussy-whipping and homophobia in today's society. Not only do we submit to one woman running our lives and prying into our our consciences, but we get around each other and act like big apes afraid the other ape has a bigger cock or wants to suck ours. So we reduce our behavior among other men to hormonic showoffery and self-censored stoicism, and never learn to trust each other. I would like to see us outgrow all this as a civilization, maybe starting with not throwing naked young people into showers together from the age of twelve and forcing on them a code of vicious competitiveness over the way God made each of us during the time in life when we are most sensitive and vulnerable about our forming bodies.

    This may have been the wrong site for me all along, because I have no hostility toward feminism or feminists in any personal form, I just see them as followers of a historic shift in human behavior that has tilted in recent times toward their advantage. My issues are with other men, with the way little boys are raised to worship violence and domination, with the submissiveness of boyfriends and husbands, with the court system that just ignores maternal abduction and lets unqualified, angry, narcissistic mothers keep the children they steal, with the media's portrayal of men and fathers, etc. Women themselves, whatever their ideas, are the least of our worries.

    We need to remember what being a man really means. Working together and sharing ideas and experiences is much more in the male nature than what we have seen artificially produced by technology for women, so many of whom seem to believe that gossiping on the phone and on Facebook all day long means they are close to each other. From where I sit, it looks like any woman's worst enemy is all other women, the way they treat each other most of the time. This behavior mirrored in men is disgusting to me. We are not vain, competitive connivers by nature. We are letting our mothers and sisters and girlfriends turn us into that.

    Men are made to work together, to accomplish great things with sums totals greater than the sums of us. How many all-female symphony orchestras or civil engineering firms or space services have you heard of? There is a reason that not one man at a time, but millions of us working together, have shaped history. Leave women to play that historic role for us, and there will be no such thing as manhood left, and God help us all, male and female.
  363. Haruhi Kenoko's Avatar
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    Quote Quote from Percy
    Now is the time for you to start some deep thinking on these matters.

    You recognise that something is screwed up and that society, as well as individuals in the society, are suffering.

    I would be open to hearing your thoughts. I would seek some organisation of those thoughts, and their follow-through, to show you can figure out the likely consequences for yourself and for everyone else of goodwill. And for those of badwill.

    Do not let youth or fear of error hold you up. Use caution to help you think through the issues.

    You have plently of folks here who can help.
    meaning that im being a bit too extreme?
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    Now is the time for you to start some deep thinking on these matters.

    You recognise that something is screwed up and that society, as well as individuals in the society, are suffering.

    I would be open to hearing your thoughts. I would seek some organisation of those thoughts, and their follow-through, to show you can figure out the likely consequences for yourself and for everyone else of goodwill. And for those of badwill.

    Do not let youth or fear of error hold you up. Use caution to help you think through the issues.

    You have plently of folks here who can help.
  365. Rof L Mao Esq's Avatar
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    Fun read. I'm curious where the questionnaire came from. Wouldn't mind writing one and sending it over there.

    Got a link for you, to take a look at sexism in female form under a full head of steam.

    Where Have All The Young Men Gone? - Avivah Wittenberg-Cox - Harvard Business Review
  366. FloatyBoaty's Avatar
    Yep, you came to the right place. I think the social view of marriage has been corrupted. It is about to people joining and working as one; not as two separate parties that are stuck together by a piece of paper.
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    You are assuming that all female politicians will ignore men's needs. In my direct experience, that simply is not so. Some women can be trusted to care about men's issues.

    At the same time, you are ignoring that we have more male politicians then female - and at the same time we have laws and legal practices that are directly against the interests of men. Not all men can be trusted to care about men's issues.

    It is true that some of the most anti-male politicians are women but there are also some very anti-male politicians who are male.

    The sex of the politician and the policies they endorse are not directly connected.
  369. Nikonian's Avatar
    Part of the problem lies that a feminist will vote for a woman because she is a woman. Like some blacks voted for Obama because he is black...

    I would vote for a woman not because she is a woman but because she can prove to me that she can do crap better than her peers. Gender is one of the stupidest reasons to vote and sadly many do it just for that...
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    Of course! Thats what the elites want us to believe - as then they can "save" us from such terrorist - but at the cost of our liberties.

    I jsut watched "American from the Road of Freedom to the Streets of Fascism". Great documentary
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    We need to quote you on that Mark :P
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    Quote Quote from Marx
    Paragraphs and formatting tools - they're your friends
    ahh, the format was lost when I saved it.crap...
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    Paragraphs and formatting tools - they're your friends
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    Dan, is it possible, did it ever occur to you that your "ex" is the one indeed who is abusing your daughter ? I too share your distrust of middle school administration with it's ingrained feminist prejudices that run very deep. My daughter just turned 14, legal "parent emancipation" age in Georgia and, clearly preferring to live with "dad" along with her 12 year old "very anti-mother" brother, I still pay ex "child support" out of fear of ever finding a lawyer that i can truly ever trust.

    I HAVE my kids ! Do i dare open another "can of snakes" and ask for my money back too ?
  375. Aristotle's Avatar
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    Brilliant article... where's the "Love it!" button?

    I'm definitely one of the "put the pieces together slowly over time" men. I would say it's like waking up from a bad dream, but it's actually about waking up from a dream of a world that was fair and made sense, and realising that that world was only a delusion.
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    Love this post! I was raised off the tube so I had much more time to think (Hence I became aware of misandry at an early age). However I have just slowly been opening up on speaking against it since a few years ago...
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    She wasn't charged? Seriously, I wonder how many men wouldn't get charged if he was the one & only suspect...
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    yip!!
  379. christianj's Avatar
    Pretty poor comment, a selective verse from the bible, must not forget the "vote" Ron sticker which applies to not too many here as a fair few are not from the US. Is that it or what. Do we get just a single sentence to explain the quote or would that be too difficult.
  380. christianj's Avatar
    Pretty poor comment, a selective verse from the bible, must not forget the "vote" Ron sticker which applies to not too many here as a fair few are not from the US. Is that it or what. Do we get just a single sentence to explain the quote or would that be too difficult.
  381. michael k's Avatar
    1 Corinthians 7:25 25 Now concerning [5] the betrothed, [6] I have no command from the Lord, but I give my judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. 26 I think that in view of the present [7] distress it is good for a person to remain as he is. 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned, and if a betrothed woman [8] marries, she has not sinned. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that.

    For the present form of this world is passing away. 32 I want you to be free from anxieties.
    Vote For Ron Paul and support the constitutional separation of church, it's abusive marriage institutions and State !
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    Liked for facebook
  383. michael k's Avatar
    This is extreme humor, a radfem "wishlist" right ? Not to be taken seriously ?
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    I should have proofread this, but oh well!
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    Very true! I forgot that one...
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    Another common tactic of feminists to distort data goes like this:


    feminist: "Have you ever been raped?"
    normal-woman: "No..."

    feminist: "Hmm, damn - wrong answer... let me rephrase."
    normal-woman: "OK..."

    feminist: "Have you ever had sex after accepting a drink from a man?"
    normal-woman: "Yes, we had a lovely evening, he bought a few drinks and I put a DVD on to watch..."

    feminist: "Aharrrr - you ARE a rape-victim after all!"
    normal-woman: "No, I'm not!!! He didn't rape me, I initiated the sex you dumb-ass!"

    feminist: "Oh shush now, you're a victim of teh patriarchy - you wouldn't know you're a victim of rape because of teh patriarchy. Only we feminists know what's what in this world. You normal-women are all too stupid and ignorant to know what's best for you so it's up to us to decide for you - and I'm telling you now, you are a rape-victim!"
    normal woman: "No... I'm ... Not... Now stop calling my husband a rapist!"

    feminist: "I don't care - you had sex after a drink he plied you with - thus he is a rapist! I have already added him to my statistics now - too late!"

    Did you know Koss admits errors... - Blogs - antimisandry.com
  387. christianj's Avatar
    A couple of things ensure it. One has to be raised by a single feminist mother or to be too weak within one's self to resist the ongoing attacks from feminism and feminists, that you adhere and promote their own self-loathing and misandry. It really is a sad sight to behold that is for sure. It's sickening and pathetic.
    No one could class them as being a man, just a facsimile of one..
  388. Nikonian's Avatar
    I feel sick every-time I meet a mangina... How do the become such a self loathing person?
  389. James Huff's Avatar
    Excellent point! I say we continue to out these wenches!
  390. christianj's Avatar
    I really don't know why you bother with that insignificant mangina. All he does is stalk men's sites and forums, picks and chooses the worst comments and make merry on some irrelevant drivel that it promotes as "opinion". That idiot is nothing more than a tunnel visioned feminist and a male feminists at that, that feminists themselves hate and loathe..
    Nobody wants anything to do with them except those other plods seeking female attention and permission for existence. I have about 600 hits from his site registered on my site as he scouts and flounces on articles I have presented but I have never once bothered to even notice or read any of his inane drivel. He occasionally makes some snide irrelevant comment on my site which I just toss into the garbage where it belongs. To me, he does not exist.
    Cannot be bothered..
  391. RobYork's Avatar
    A great article.

    Feminism is "Anti-Christ" it`s days are numbered.
  392. Marx's Avatar
    AgentOrange and the Screencaps of Feminazi Doom « man boobz

    I had the misfortune to speak with feminist sympathiser, David Futrelle, after seeing some content regarding AO on his webshite website.

    Note how he utterly ignores the meat of the AO files such as; poisoning pregnant women, poisoning men to affect their sperm, throwing male children through windows, killing men, demanding policies to see more harm done to men through legal mechanisms and such.

    Instead, he has tried to mock the issues raised by Agent Orange and focused on the most boringly benign aspects of the files. Yes, rather than addressing the horrific content he knows resides within the AO files, he gives attention to idle chat from the feminists such as;
    Does he even know what uterine cramps/contractions even feel like?
    From where I'm stood, this looks like he wants to intentionally misrepresent the AO files and more importantly, misrepresent the true content that feminists themselves are producing (e.g. castrating men, killing men, poisoning pregnant women, etc.)

    Now, unless he supported them, WHY would any sane person (man or woman) defend such horrific commentary from blatant bigots? He does momentarily mention one of the castration threads, but then excuses them with the predictable 'Oh they don't mean it literally' claims.

    As far as I can tell, David Futrelle wants to protect these bigots and their right to promote murder of humans afflicted with a Y-chromosome.
  393. Marx's Avatar
    Good call.
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    Scary stuff!!! All of Dahlgren'spredictions came true!!!
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    Quote Quote from sealion
    Glad you are here , onyxmoon .
    one thing tho , can we just call you onyx ??? Your name ain't half difficult to type !!!
    Once again , W E L C O M E !!!!!
    You can call me that, sure, but I go by Connie if that's easy enough
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    Glad you are here , onyxmoon .
    one thing tho , can we just call you onyx ??? Your name ain't half difficult to type !!!
    Once again , W E L C O M E !!!!!
  397. Marx's Avatar
    Excellent article, CJ.
  398. janetdoe's Avatar
    What disgusting display of misandry.
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    I really thank you all for the comments, some of the stories I see from some men take my breath away in a bad sense. It's all very morbid some of the things I as a woman could have power over, and I could only teach my daughters to handle her rights responsibly.
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    I think that you are very wise to see through the evil of “Feminism” you may find the following of interest......

    Aaron Russo produced the films, “Trading places” starring Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd, and “The Rose” starring Bette Midler.


    Aaron is also the director of “America From Freedom to Fascism” he was approached for his opinions by a younger member of the Rockefeller family in 1995.


    "He asked me what I thought of the 'women's movement,' and I told him that I support equal opportunity,"


    Russo continues, "He looked at me and said, 'You know, you're such an idiot in some ways. We' - meaning the people he works with - created the women's movement, and we promote it.


    And it's not about equal opportunity. It's designed to get both parents out of the home and into the workforce, where they will pay taxes.


    And then we can decide how the children will be raised and educated.'


    That's how they control society - by removing the parents from the home and then raising the children as the elitists see fit."




    I would greatly encourage you to watch the video “America From Freedom to Fascism” on YouTube.
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    The female vote:


    The right for women to vote now seems as American as “All you can eat buffets” and “Wal Mart.”


    Try suggesting to a typical God fearing, flag waving, Republican and Tea Party conservative, that giving the vote to women was a “Bad idea,” and watch him recoil in horror like a vampire looking at a cross.


    To even think of such a notion is anathema and un American, after all, our brave troops are fighting the evil Muslims in the Middle East to protect our right to vote.


    And yet, for most of America’s history the vast majority of men, and women, were opposed to women’s suffrage.


    So, were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln all secret women haters ? Or might they have had another reason to oppose female suffrage?


    The 19th Century Argument Against Suffrage.
    Most of the arguments against female suffrage have now gone down the memory hole.


    School children are now taught that suffrage was inevitable and the people who opposed suffrage in the prior generations were simply backwards and ignorant.


    Because it is obviously axiomatic that female suffrage is a good thing. To even debate the subject would be crazy. As such, historical writings against suffrage are ignored and buried.


    However, extracted from the depths of time is an essay written by a woman who was opposed to suffrage. This essay detailed the logical reasons why female suffrage would harm America.

    Thoughts on Female Suffrage.
    By Madeline Dahlgren, 1871.


    We acknowledge no inferiority to men. We claim to have no less ability to perform the duty God has imposed upon us, than they (Men) have to perform those imposed upon them.


    We believe that God has wisely and well adapted each sex to the proper performance of the duties of each. We believe our trusts to be as important and sacred as any that exist.


    It is our fathers, brothers, husbands and sons who represent us at the ballot box. Our fathers and husbands love us. Our sons are what we make them.


    We are content that they represent us in the corn field, the battle -field and the ballot box, and we them in the school room, at the fireside, and at the cradle; believing our representation, even at the ballot box, to be thus more full and impartial that it could possibly be were all women allowed to vote.”


    Notice that it was assumed that men and women have different biological natures and, as such, God has given men and women different responsibilities.


    The notion that sex is just a social construct would have been considered to be absurd. Also notice the frequent references to religion. Prior to the Cultural Marxist revolution (Cultural Marxism abhors Christianity) Christian ideals were appealed to in an unapologetic manner.


    The basic argument against female suffrage was that women were represented by their husbands, fathers and sons at the ballot box.


    The essay further argues that as mothers raised their sons (this was before mothers warehoused their children in daycare to pursue their corporate careers) women actually fundamentally shaped the character of men, and hence, the direction of America. As such, women had a powerful voice and they were represented.


    Later in the essay, Dahlgren predicted that female suffrage would create competition between men and women which would create an antagonism.


    Instead of a family standing in unity, suffrage would divide the house. Such division would create discord into the family and weaken the marriage tie. Dahlgren predicted that divorce would become common if women were given the vote.


    Dahlgren writes:
    We hold that the new status will prove to be the worst kind of communism. The relations between the sexes, so carefully guarded by religion and by parents, by law and by society, will become common and therefore corrupt.


    The family, the foundation of the State, will disappear. The mothers, sisters and daughters of our glorious past will exist no more and the female gender will vanish into epicene.”


    Epicene” = The woman will cease to be different from the male, both sexes will become alike.


    As a contemporary of Marx, Dahlgren correctly identified that the push for female suffrage was Marxist in origin.


    Fifty years later the Cultural Marxists implicitly agreed with Dahlgren that the best way to destroy Western Civilization (aka Christendom) was to undermine the family.


    And the seeds that were planted in the 19th amendment paved the way for the spawning of what would be known as “Feminism.”


    The people opposed to female suffrage proved to be right beyond their wildest predictions. As Google was celebrating the 19th amendment, a British newspaper detailed the boasting of a 26 year old woman who claims to have had sex with 5,000 different men.


    If Madeline Dahlgren were alive today, I am sure she would have understood the connection between female suffrage in the West and the decline of civilization.


    Single mothers, rampant divorce, abortion and falling birth rates are part of the cancer that is destroying what is left of Western Civilization.


    But very few people (Even conservatives) fail to realize that the inception of this cancer can be found in the passage of the 19th amendment.


    Source: The Spearhead.
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    Before I came to this site, I thought that the very worst that the laws of many countries put upon men was making them pay for a love-child that resulted from an infidelity which caused a divorce. In other words, those cases where a woman cheats on her man and falls pregnant from the affair, divorces him but then still gets her ex-husband to pay for the child.

    Since then I have learnt that laws make it even worse for a man. So bad that he has to pay an enormous cost for being a victim of a crime.
    ...he was a rape victim of a woman, ... and even after taking her to trial for it, ... he STILL had to pay child support to her, and he still is. And it can't get any more broken hearted then that, a man paying a woman money for a rape child that he didn't want
    Many men end up paying for children that they did not want. Some of them didn't even know they had a child until they were asked to pay up. Some of them were raped and their sperm stolen, some of them were cuckolded and the child isn't even theirs. These men often cannot afford a family of their own as well as having to pay for a child they had no positive part in creating. They are broken men, denied by finance to enjoy a family life.

    And if they don't pay? At best, they are called a "deadbeat dad," at worst, they are jailed. That is the law and the practice in many countries but it is not justice.
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    And golly, the hate mail I've got and the threats I have received, and for all of the hate, why I am I still sticking up for men?
    That says it all - you and many others alike.

    Many have lost their jobs, their careers even, maybe their family & home, and some - their lives.

    Feminism falsely proclaims itself and prides itself on the myth that it is a bloodless battle - it is far from, far from.
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    Good information, thanks!
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    Excellent work there, OIT.
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    Douglas

    The largest single council in England in terms of ownership of housing stock is Leeds City Council (larger cities are split into several districts). They own 60,000 properties, which are managed by 4 Arms Length Management Organisations (ALMOs).

    Applications for housing can be addressed to any ALMO but are processed centrally. Applications made on the grounds of "Fleeing Domestic Violence" are referred to specialist external agencies. For reasons I'd prefer not to reveal, I have seen the LCC internal communications regarding these shelters and the "awareness raising" literature is aimed exclusively at women (pictures of bruised female arms, tastefully shot in black and white, saying things like "You don't have to put up with it" etc).

    You might want to put in an FOI request to LCC of something like;

    Please provide the number of Housing Applications where the stated reason for application is "Fleeing Domestic Violence", for each year from 2005 to 2011, showing split totals by gender of main applicant for each year. Where there is a gender imbalance of over 20% in any given year, please provide details of LCC's efforts to raise awareness of its shelter arrangements amongst the less-referred gender in that year.

    In my experience, your FOI request will be taken very seriously. I think it will reveal some interesting imbalances. There's no point trying to protest about these to the person who answers your request though. Instead you need to protest to;

    Neil Evans
    Director
    Environments and Neighbourhoods Department
    Civic Hall
    Calverley Street
    Leeds
    LS1 1UR

    copying in the members of the Executive Board, whose contact details can be found at:

    Council and democracy

    Hope this is helpful. I would do more, but for obvious reasons, my hands are tied... ;-)
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    Another problem merely is the fact that we live in a safety driven PC society. Everything is done for "safety" and part of that IS treating everybody guilty until proven innocent (in our case guilty for being men)...

    Everybody knows her. She is an active member of some homeowners association in suburbia. She doesn't work, and lives off her rich hubby's paycheck. She has nothing better to do than micromanage problems that are not her own. One day her little Tommy falls off a see saw (while she is talking to her girlfriends and not paying attention) and needs stitches from hitting his head on it.

    She files a lawsuit against the city and WINS. The city freaks out (not wanting another lawsuit) and removes all of the seesaws from every park and creates an ordinance that no playground in the city can have a see saw. But look on the bright side now the playground is "safer". Anybody who asks otherwise is condoned for not caring about the children even if they present a reasonable argument (kids learn physics and mechanics, they learn to interact with others, etc)...

    Lets take the moral of the story and apply it to something else... Rape. 1 Man rapes one woman (as sick as it is) in a city of 10,000. Somebody concerned about rape goes to an ad agency to create an campaign on the prevention of rape. The ad campaign states that to be completely safe you must never trust a man (not a shady guy smoking weed in a alley, but all men). Now all men are guilty of possibly being rapists. Men now cannot easily protest this as they would be unsympathetic to the victim of the rape even if some of them were victims themselves (from a female attacker). I don't really need to say more as the threads on this forum obviously address this...

    My personal opinion is that a Safety Society (a feminine trait really) is actually self destructive mechanism that kills itself by hating a majority of it.

    Ben Franklin-
    Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety...
  407. Oneinthree's Avatar
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    Some interesting new perspectives here - particularly the stuff about appreciating and depreciating assets. We need to look at things in new ways if we are to break down prejudice. A good piece.
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    Ah, I didn't want to get into a pro-life/pro-choice thing. I honestly dont care, as long as they dont abort stuff that's already started forming human-looking features. I was speaking within the existing laws
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    I do not believe that financially opting out is what most fathers want to do. Nor do they often want the child to be killed.

    They often want their child, even if the mother doesn't.

    They often want to be involved in the child's life, even if the child mostly/normally lives with the mother.

    Allowing a woman to kill a child is abhorrent enough to many because of the injustice to the child. Allowing a woman to kill a child without reference to the father is compounding that injustice by adding injustice to the father. Women are using the kill/keep threat over men to coerce them against their will. That's right - they use a child's life to get want they want. Just like so many women will use a child's well-being as a threat to the man after a divorce.

    A man is not just a sperm donor. When he has created a child he is a father. He has natural rights that should not be aborted by his government, that taxes him on the pretence of caring about him and his child.

    Father’s rights ... is about being involved with children.
    That's right. And he can't be involved with a child killed by a woman. If he wants the child, he should be enabled to care for it, with child maintenance payments due from the dead-meat mother that doesn't want her child.
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    Quote Quote from BobV01
    clearly you are not a Fathers and Children's Rights Advocate.
    People have different views. When you begin to treats "Father's Rights" as a strict doctrine, you alienate folks.

    In my opinion, the woman should have the absolute right over whether or not to terminate the pregnancy as they already do, but men should have a few rights:

    #1) Financial opt-out/financial abortion. In detail, I think males should be assumed out of financial responsibility and have absolute right to opt-in anytime. Staying 'out' mean the male has no parental/custody/visitation rights. Once opted in, the change is permanent; all rights are granted and future splits could be reason to grant child support.
    #2) Paternity protection, specifically for the above CS scenario. No man is 'assumed' the father without a DNA test, including in marriages. On one side, a man must have the right to demand proof of paternity if he has valid reason to believe a child is his or before he is pursued for support. On the other, a woman must have the right to demand a man take the test if he denies/ignores her allegations of paternity. This would all be handled confidentially to protect sensitive situations.

    I dont see a way to justify males unilaterally forcing women to kill/keep, and I'm not sure there's a truly joint way to make that decision besides a random coin flip - if the two parents' opinions differ on two options that can't be compromised, the best option is the give the male his own choice. Her body, her choice: keep or kill. His life, his options: stay or leave.
  411. Black Knight's Avatar
    I think about it and it's depressing. Even avoiding fatherhood, my tax dollars go to that crap. And there's no way it'll improve. We're lucky we aint got frankensteinian maternity leave laws like the brits.
  412. Marx's Avatar
    Alexandra is a woman - not a man. Yet because you have an innate assumption that only men do wrong, you automatically (biased) presumed Alexandra to be:
    Quote Quote from Brittney Highsmith
    ...some miseducated man throwing a tantrum about loosing male privilege.
    Brittney, most of us judge feminism (and thus feminists) on the actions of the movement, not the claims. Now remember, we are people who have been watching feminism for many years. We have seen such things as the demand to move the burden of proof onto the accused for rape allegations (i.e. assume man is guilty so he has to prove he obtained consent), we saw feminism in action during the Haiti Earthquake when the 'department for advancement of women' demanded women-only food-lines, we have seen Oprah shows where time after time she absolves female abusers and blames the male-victims yet blames male abusers and ignores any and all the provocation from the woman, we have seen this repeated by her 'golden-boy' Dr. Phil, we have seen feminist professors (Mary Daly) demand men be wiped from the planet's surface (save a handful for breeding purposes), and lastly (but by no means 'the last') we have seen you blame a man for a woman's words.

    It's a rather amusing quote really, because while feminism may have had valid complaints back in the old days, today feminism simply appears to be women (primarily) who have been mis-educated about history demanding yet more privileges without any responsibilities.
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    Yes, men have love. I don't know whether it is the same thing that women have. I don't know whether the various feelings of love I have experienced are quite like what any other man has experienced. I do know that I have seen love from men: love for the world, love for their family, love of their partner.

    One of the worst aspects of feminised society is the rejection of that love, replaced with an irrational fear and distrust. Nothing hurts more than callous rejection and mass rejection by society is what many men feel, on some level. Women, and society in general, need to bring back that love, to let it express itself. Women, children and men would all be happier with men allowed to love.
  414. Brittney Highsmith's Avatar
    This article is well written, but unfortunately it's completely inaccurate.

    Before making assumptions about the thoughts and opinions of feminists, read more books written by them. You will find that you honestly sound quite silly right now, not trying to be mean.

    Feminism is about gender equality for men, women and intersex people. Men and intersex people can be sexually abused, domestically assaulted and objectified as well. That is why we have male and intersex feminists.

    You wouldn't be so frustrated if you would seek understanding before condemnation. It's only wisdom.

    Sad but once again, this is another example of a some miseducated man throwing a tantrum about loosing male privilege. This is not about women never being weak. This is about humanity, which is weak yet proven strong. Feminism is the discernment between the two.
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    She cut in line. You asked her not to cut in the line. She refused to comply with your request. If you tried to physically eject her from the line you would be in big trouble. I would strongly advise against that. You had three resonable courses of action:
    1. You could report her to a teacher or other person in authority at the school. This is what I would reccommend.
    2. You could shout to all in line behind you that she is cutting in, and hope she surcomes to peer pressure.
    3. You could do nothing.

    Regardless of what you do, I think it would be best to ignore the "white knight". Unless he hits you, just pretend that he is not there.

    What you do later depends on why he was being a white knight. If the girl was his sister, cousin, or girlfriend, just accept the fact that everybody defends their kin and let the incident pass.

    If he was acting as a white knight because he has some obsolete notion of chivalry, it would be nice if you could be friendly with him and try to win him over to the MRA side. If he's just an asshole and you can't befriend him, you can at least take comfort by knowing that he is helping the men's rights cause by making white knights look bad.
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    Absent Without Love: sad subject, men feel it children feel it and in the mean time we are so busy in our meopia chasing stuff we isolate ourselves on our own personal islands even though we are surrounded by living people.
    For some of us perhaps this is a function of age or impatience, for some of us perhaps it is a function of fear - we skip socialising based on what we think others' perceptions of us will be.
    I wonder if old school Brotherly love would help? We really do have our own conceptions of right and wrong, despite urban myth, we each may have conceptions closer to the mark than we realise.
    Would you grab someone else's tool bag (literally, a bag with tools in it), would you listen to some female complain about her ex and automatically take her side? Would you jump start a Brother's vehicle, would you hold the door when a Brother is carrying a box inside?
    Would you listen to a feminist dengrigrate all men without calmly suggesting the feminist truly need understand males better?
    Would you take time to just listen to a Brother?

    Old school Brotherly love
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    I am sorry I do not understand how a bi-sexual college student finds time to be faithful enough to his wife to sire children, I do understand that Fathers have petioned courts to prevent abortions and have sought this legislation.
    You have written like a true feminist, abortion though, is about the rights of the unborn children, male and female.
    Perhaps it is indiscrimnate sex that perpetuates the situation.
    You have blatently lied about Fathers' Rights Advocates.
    The argument is that a father has a choice if the child is born or not. In a sense they are absolutely right, a father should have more input. But not the final say.
    clearly you are not a Fathers and Children's Rights Advocate.
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    What I find interesting is that the new heads often have the same consistency and members of the old....lol
  419. Marx's Avatar
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    Yes, this is how the MRM and feminism are seen by many... An additional issue related to the Hydra analogy is that for every head chopped - a new one appears.
  420. Marx's Avatar
    Quote Quote from miguel_gomez
    I do not see anything mentioning allowing to rape men in Mexico within the articulation, but I do see some sexism in the law itself. Please help me try to find out where this thought came from.
    The definition of rape is sex without consent. Men in Mexico cannot withhold sex from a woman anymore, thus, he can be 'legally raped' (he allows sex only because if he did not then he would be had up in court for abuse of his spouse which could see him imprisoned).

    If this law applied to women at men's advantage, then feminists would be using the same language to explain that the law was forcing women to be raped.
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    I don't know what youre talking about...
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    ...female oriented and entirely female employed under the notion of protection of men.
    Should that be, "protection from men" as 'of' suggests men are doing the protecting... to my understanding these services like to imply men are about to jump on any woman in the vicinity, so they're protecting women from teh evul menz.
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    When we look at the successes of the women’s movement, the biggest two noted are the right to vote, and the freedom of choice between workforce and family.
    Brother the Right to Vote is the suffregettes, there does not need to be a binary choice between work and family: Fathers have been doing it for aeons.
    Failure to look at the future of humanity is sociopathic.

    Should we doom the human race?

    Should we look for a better world not only for ourselves but for our sons?

    Should we look beyond getting laid to find happiness?

    The world is filled with choices, it is up to us to chart our course and follow it with out distractions and diversions.

    Men have had choices, some men impregnate a women and run, some men Man up and are a great Dad. Men can choose to read, to continue learning. Get a grip there are plenty of men who are not providers, they are not our Brothers preffering us to carry their load and ours as well.
    Unlimited choices especially in the fantasy of no consequnces is something children outgrow quickly. Even Brother Farmers benefit from Brotherly assistance.
    Meopia is a mental condition that leads to failure.
    Sally,
    We all need food,
    water shelter and fire
    to survive individually,
    and then there is common defense and social discourse
    I am sorry you find the world a cold place perhaps it is the trail that you take, if you are thinking only of yourself you will experience the world empty and leave it cold.
    Hindsight is 20/20 many of us are old enough to have experienced it in some volume: the lesson we learn is to stay on the trail that leads to success.
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    First-I think it is nice someone actually agrees with me on this being a potential issue (reddit has not been so kind)

    actually I think that as long as we can keep damage control up, it is worth the cost. I would rather be free than happy

    1) Those issues are not within what I was talking about, but are other issues-that does not mean they are not issues, but it doesn't go into the category of "choice for men"

    2) I am not sure, yes there would be stability, but we once again look at the cost. We still have men disposable, drafted, chivalrous etc. Should we sacrifice their freedom because we don't have any? I don't think so.
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    I agree with you. I do NOT believe that a situation in which men escaped the responsibility for women and children would be worth it. But two further observations:

    1) Such a situation, while not fulfilling, not conducive to ultimate happiness, and not ideal, might be preferable to the situation as it currently exists, which appears to be that men are alternately either exploited as ATM machines by the government and women or constantly at risk of a) tangling with the judicial system or b) locked up based on the epidemic of false allegations of rape, domestic violence, sexual harassment, or molestation.

    2) What if, with feminism being put into its rightful deathbed, social/marital/romantic relationships simply defaulted back to where they have been for 10,000 years of recorded human history? Men would be leaders, providers, and protectors, and women would be primarily responsible for childrearing, would be (at least partially) dependent upon their husbands, and marriages and families would be stable?
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    In the United States Child support effects your credit rating and most states do have a job assistance program for fathers who are in arrears they just are not the best source of jobs. Twenty years ago we stopped using derogatory terms such as you have sorry you did not get the memo. You might look for the Rogers information here at AM regarding child support and economics.
    To promote Fatherhood it would be best first to destroy the matriarchy, and then promote boys and then promote fathers: we fail to acknowledge the destruction that has happened in the past fifty years.
  427. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    So what's the argument here, exactly?
    It's probably a misunderstanding on my part. I get very picky over the proper use of sex and gender and sometimes I get agitated with the people who think that there isn't a possibility that environmental factors have no impact on how you express your gender or how you perceive yourself.
  428. Marx's Avatar
    Quote Quote from Lady Catherine
    Note that I actualy don't believe gender is solely a social construct, and I do accept that the sexes differ on some level.

    Familiar with essentialism? It's not that hard of a leap to make stereotypes, especially if you honestly believe that men and women are a certain way.
    So you admit there are, let's call it a 'natural difference' (aka nature) as well as 'enforced differences' (aka nurture). In short, men and women ARE different by virtue of their genitalia but we acknowledge there are 'exceptions to the rule' and that all the above varies in depth from one person to another, so one man may be highly masculine and his male-neighbour could be highly feminine (and vice-versa for women)...
    So what's the argument here, exactly?
  429. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Ok.

    Quote Quote from Nergal
    I thought about it. Are we talking etymological genders here? As in male,female,and neuter?
    No, I'm talking about third genders, as in androgynes and similar gender identities

    I disagree with this statement.
    Note that I actualy don't believe gender is solely a social construct, and I do accept that the sexes differ on some level.

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    Does it? Where's the proof that 'binary' is the cause of stereotypes based on plumbing?
    Familiar with essentialism? It's not that hard of a leap to make stereotypes, especially if you honestly believe that men and women are a certain way.
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    Quote Quote from Lady Catherine
    You do realize that there are cultures with more than two genders right?
    Yes.

    Quote Quote from Lady Catherine
    Think about that for a second.
    Done.

    Quote Quote from Lady Catherine
    While the sexes are obviously different it is entirely feasible that a female and male can be the same gender(eg two androgynes one female and one male).
    Thanks c'ptain obvious!

    Quote Quote from Lady Catherine
    The problem with a binary is that it creates stereotypes almost entirely based on your plumbing.
    Does it? Where's the proof that 'binary' is the cause of stereotypes based on plumbing? Oh lemme guess, some feminist said so..?

    Quote Quote from Lady Catherine
    Anyone can be sexist. That is all.
    Yes, feminists have spent a long time demonstrating that sexists can be all shapes & sizes.
  431. Nergal's Avatar
    Quote Quote from Lady Catherine
    You do realize that there are cultures with more than two genders right? Think about that for a second.
    I thought about it. Are we talking etymological genders here? As in male,female,and neuter?



    While the sexes are obviously different it is entirely feasible that a female and male can be the same gender(eg two androgynes one female and one male).
    I disagree with this statement. It is essentially the same as saying a white guy from Israel and a white guy from Tennessee can have the same culture,even if you examine it from a "gender is socially-constructed" perspective. Since a man and a woman cannot be socialized in exactly the same manner,owing to biology (To give you an example, when I was a child, my father made me change the tires on his vehicle. When I couldn't lift the 50 pound bottle jack he called me a sissy and said "Look here,boy. I can lift it just fine." If I had been female, I would have had no chance of lifting it no matter how hard I tried, being male I eventually succeeded, and he wouldn't have compared me to himself. Actually,come to think of it, that whole scenario probably wouldn't have happened if I was female.),it would seem impossible that a man and a woman could have an identical "gender" because the life experiences (again, working within the framework of this mental model) that shape that "gender" would be totally different.

    So,even according to the rules of your social construction theory, it makes no sense.



    The problem with a binary is that it creates stereotypes almost entirely based on your plumbing.
    Even with a billion different choices stereotypes still exist. There are stereotypes about car brands and there's thousands of them. Plus, I don't believe stereotypes are always wrong. There may be Native Americans who don't drink, but as a part Native American man,I haven't met any.I drink like a fish myself,I loves the firewater.


    Anyone can be sexist. That is all.
    Quite true,quite true.

    Just to make it clear,here. I don't have a problem with your sexuality at all. You can be heterosexual,homosexual,bisexual,trisexual,omnisex ual,or asexual, it doesn't matter to me what you're screwing or not screwing as long as kids or animals aren't involved I have no moral stance on it. I do fundamentally disagree with a few of the premises you assert,but that's just a difference of opinion.
  432. BobV01's Avatar
    need more information just follow this link:
    FATHERS.COM - Watch D.O.G.S.
  433. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    How do you know those advocating a binary, aka natural, approach are necessarily sexist?
    You do realize that there are cultures with more than two genders right? Think about that for a second. While the sexes are obviously different it is entirely feasible that a female and male can be the same gender(eg two androgynes one female and one male). The problem with a binary is that it creates stereotypes almost entirely based on your plumbing.

    Isn't it equally possible that those promoting sexual deviance are the sexists, trying to destroy the harmony of a working binary system?
    Anyone can be sexist. That is all.
  434. Marx's Avatar
    "I advocate androgynous approaches to humanity instead of a binary imposed by those who have a sexist agenda." - How do you know those advocating a binary, aka natural, approach are necessarily sexist? Isn't it equally possible that those promoting sexual deviance are the sexists, trying to destroy the harmony of a working binary system?

    "I believe that humanity isn't flawed due to some crime committed by our ancestors." - It's a shame feminists don't follow this concept.
  435. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    1) These were just notes, there are several mistakes that I never would have made.

    2)Why do you assume that anarchists have made calculations for their economic theories? Anarchist economic theory is very broad it does go from pure Marxsim all the way to completely free markets. I am in favor of mutualism

    I have more, but I'm shaking with hormones and need to relaease some frustration.
  436. BobV01's Avatar
    passive, to have shit thrown in our face
    you are a girl, you are not one of us nor was MacKiinon
  437. BobV01's Avatar
    A lot of that is going to come from men’s everyday experiences in conflict at their workplaces and in their neighborhoods. On the other hand, the part I can play in those situations is to push those ruptures further by intervening in the conflict in a way that promotes, through action and ideas, autonomy, direct action, and the rejection of the political process completely
    Have you heard of a Messiah Complex?

    How many States in America, how many provinces in Canada, in the UK, how many hundreds of people in America?

    Your diatribe is inflamatory, deluded and dangerous,
    please explain an economic equation.

    Please explain how suddenly everyone will respect each other across the globe?

    Please explain how a living constitution is characterized by you as stagnant?
  438. BobV01's Avatar
    Elder Brothers, those who lead men, learn their role and responsibility. They learn to pass on wisdom, they learn to lead with compassion and judgment, they know their word must be dependable, they eat at the end of the line.
    Ending misandry is a political thing. Political action needs focus. Fathoming the depths of manhood with our Elders requires critical knowledge, tradition and legacy.
    There are those, who with their opinion seek, to steal manhood from men. Fathers are patient and persistent. Europeans, well versed in their ancestors, can recount the Grey Beards who stood in the front line despite their rank refusing to allow legacy to be stolen.
    The Grey beards will tell you a story about two bulls on a hill, one eager to run down the slope, the other patient to walk…
    …there are great depths to manhood, we are miraculous creatures, valuable as Brothers, valuable as Fathers…
    Until you are ready to walk down the hill instead of run, and of course you need to be a bull, you are not ready yet to counsel young Brothers.
  439. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    No. And I vote LP out of protest for both major parties.
  440. BobV01's Avatar
    Gas to the wind does not promotion make, you are an American Libertarian, according to your proclamation above. Have Libertarians won an election in the US, or do they just skew the results in favor of democrats?
  441. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    The Libertarian party promotes libertarian principles best and while I personally think it leaves the state too thick.

    I am personally in favor of a "night watchman" state as Robert Nozick proposes.
  442. BobV01's Avatar
    So interesting, American Libertarian, have they won any seats, the last two elections, which ones Obama's, so along you have been advocating for the American Libertarian Party as you see it not the universal libertarian concept indeed I see you do have speciific political motive.
    There is no reason to attempt redefinition of Libertarians and Tea Partiers
    , I suspect you are an American Democratic Party operative. Obama’s party who promotes homosexuals and women would go to great lengths to suppress fundamental truths, and the inconvenience of Fathers.
  443. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Wow...just wow.

    I have voted for the Libertarian party the last two elections out of disgust for both Republicans and Democrats. Though I lean left on most social issues, I would actually vote Republican before I vote Democrats.
  444. BobV01's Avatar
    There is no reason to attempt redefinition of Libertarians and Tea Partiers
    , I suspect you are an American Democratic Party operative. Obama’s party who promotes homosexuals and women would go to great lengths to suppress fundamental truths, and the inconvenience of Fathers.
    Thank you for a recitation of bloggers posts, the impressive list of authors seems not linked in support of your position but rather usurped to lend invertible credulity to your attempts.
    2030 as has already been said, is close at hand when the entire globe will look to the sciences of economics and political operation with a new light you ignore.
    Thank God for the Irish Monks who saved a language and traditions by massing them together for the collective good and then redistributing them to the masses.
    We are slaves of indiscriminate consumption, slaves chasing dreams we do not know how to form: the State is a body representing us all, when we fail to all participate do we face underrepresentation.
    Monopolies can appear inopportune, till an economist look at Keirietsus. It is not about personal rights but rather personal responsibilities:
    “Not what your country can do for you…
    …but,
    …what can you do for your country”
    The welfare state is very much another name for matriarchy, divorcing Children from their Fathers which they need. Women wanting what they want, when they want it without thought for others.
    It can be said there are both men and women of Faith and Good Conscience who are not meoptic who act in accord with their Brothers and Sisters and the children thereof, which is why the female headed American Democratic Party is barking up the wrong tree.
    As men are disparaged, and AM created into a place where Fathers not ought to be seen, for fear the appearance will be introduced in Court, enemies of men are perceived beneath the fuzzy, woolly costumes as those who wish us harm.
  445. Marx's Avatar
    Unfortunately, she has since 'rejoined' the dark-side.

    Apparently, it's ok to conclude the entire MRM is misogynistic because ONE admin here didn't get along with her.
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    Progressive in American Politics is feminist democrats. Gender nuetral:
    Father-Sire-Senior-Dad-Paternity-Y? - Blogs - antimisandry.com
  447. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Excellent piece. My attitude is somewhat like your's.
  448. Xxavier's Avatar
    You pretty much sum up where I stand as well Catherine.
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  450. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Percy,

    I am not going to whine because you disagree with me on the topic of gay rights. You're entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

    As I see it, this forum is like a marketplace of ideas. There are some posters that I happen to completely disagree with on certain topics and there are others that I happen to pretty much agree with on the topic at hand. Several of my opinions have changed since I joined in January and others have remained pretty much the same. Despite my own libertarian inclined self, I am totally against abortion, for instance, due to several good arguments by you and bowspearer. I was originally pro-choice but personally would never get an abortion myself.
  451. Percy's Avatar
    Also, you have added at the start a private message from a converastion between us. PMs are CONFIDENTIAL and I have not given you permission to put my private words to public view.
  452. Percy's Avatar
    Bob. There is no need to close down your writings.

    Your arguements are useful, as are those of others.

    In a war one often has to fight alongside people who you might look askance at in other circumstances, even people who have let you down in the past or actively worked against your interests. I mean, just look at the Allies in WW2.

    I could make an arguement that all the posts on AM 'belong' to all of us or to Marx. They are a record of activity and a repository of vital information and discussion. I would not like to see your contributions lost to us.
  453. BobV01's Avatar
    PLEASE ALSO REMOVE THE EMPIRICAL RESEARCH I HAVE ENTERED HERE: homosexuals, heathans and other deviants do not need them, in their hands it will be used gainst Fathers and hence against men and therefore only promote misandry.
  454. BobV01's Avatar
    My prayers are with you Richard, and those of yours no longer on this earth, truly
    -Bob
  455. Richard's Avatar
    I just scan read your post to me.

    Guess what, I just wrote a post in a similar vein "Gender politics - a policy of equality or tolerance" where I attack Lady C and silentblood indirectly ad through a very thin veil, that anyone can see. Have a read and post your reply underneath mine.

    I agree that Lady C is out of control. I fear with her Norse relgion and other stuff she borders on the edge of being a nazi.

    I think some though - like me - that as she was a psychologist she could be of use to us, but that seems not ot be working out.

    My "Gender politics" posts was designed to flush her out - I am sure she will reply and then I would repost saying something like "we are fed up of hearing non stop out your minority sexual practices. We welcome and toelrate you on this fourm, but as you say you are for mens rights and a psychologist, perhaps you could help us attack those feminist psycholgists" - thus she would be exposed and in a corner - either she would do things our way or chose the highway.

    I will go back and re-read your blog, right now I am running around making funeral arrangements for Tuesday.

    Best wishes
    Richard
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    Is that not called Brotherhood? Does that not include Fathers,Sons,Uncles. Does a Brother have sex with his Brothers woman? Does a Brother satisfy his current gal by helping an attempt to block the gals children from seeing their Father. Brotherhood is experienced,it is not socieities fault but choices we make, that prevent it from being more wide spread. Accepting is not the same as endorsing. Manchester may have taken the union or the Phillies may take the pennant, where I play Rugby the home team hosts a party for the visiting team and all eat a meal together. No man is an island, we all find that out sooner or later. Maybe while we think about Brotherhood we should think of what we support that destroys it?
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    Its not just women that need to see men as different, its men as well. Zeta masculinity has a lot less to do with who is going to be settling down, and media aspects have more to do with forcing people to think (which some aspects of glam metal did very well, which was my point) and changing the norm. It's not one group of people that needs to change their views, everyone needs to be conronted.

    Part of it is a marketing ploy, but glam also got people thinking, which was part of my point. Also, if we denounced everything in history that changed the world culturally that was initially a marketing ploy we would be at it for years. Just because profit was a motive, perhaps the initial motive does not mean there were secondary or unplanned consequences.

    Did not notice the band mentioned at the bottom of the page.

    Different fashion trends is also different than challenging the notions of masculinity. What makes glam stick out is that it was directed at men, and not women, and its "in your face" attitude that came with the almost entirely male dominated world of metal.
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    The author says, "They were the true pioneers of zeta masculinity and fighting against traditional masculinity."

    I agree with BobV01: this post seems oddly out of place on this website. I'm fairly certain those 'glam' bands with the hair-up-to-there & the lace & frills on collars/cuffs were never looked upon by young women as the new kind of men they were looking to 'settle down' with (being that I'm a women of that era).

    I'm pretty sure it was (simply) a pure-genius marketing ploy - not to mention likely a lot of fun for the exhibitionist/theatrical types that go into 'performing arts' - and it worked like a charm.

    But about "pushing the gender roles", zeta, you're forgetting all the 'feminized' men & fashions for men (say THAT fast, five times) over the centuries. Certain men have been 'pushing' for 100's, yeah 1000's, of years. [Fop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] Here, as I looked up the word "fop" on Wikipedia ("...a pejorative term for a foolish man over-concerned with his appearance and clothes in 17th century England..."), note that one of your referenced bands shows up at the bottom of the page!
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    They were the true pioneers of zeta masculinity and fighting against traditional masculinity.
    Anti masculinity sounds like misandry. So sad there are feminists and manguinas who wish to define "traditional masculinity", to strip "traditional men" of their virtues. Traditional men I should think, can go to the office and crunch numbers only to go home after work and pour a concrete sidewalk and when they are through with that and after nurturing their children they might sit back with a volume of Shakespeare.
    There are sad shallow bloakes and shallower still harpies, unable to understand the depth and complexity of a "traditional man" paint them only as knuckle draggers, because the "traditional male" will not capitulate to their demands.
    Much like the never ending whines of the old ball and chain, there are those, who perhaps uncomfortable that others act not like them, have never ending whines of their own, "act like me, make me more comfortable." Not content to be accepted, nor to accept others who differ from them, harpies and their counter part manguinas, besmirch their brothers in pursuit of their own happiness.
    Attempting to paint others in their self same self image, there is a lack of perception. Not all men are Fathers, but all men have them.
    Heavy Metal as MRAs, i doubt that was their intention or true. The point of attack, in order to destroy patriarchy, are feminists denigrating Fathers, taking the children to raise as they would in an attempt to socialize them to accept matriarchy.
    The data is the data and it is that simple, savings diminished along with children's test scores while obesity and societal debt increased: children need their Fathers.
    When our effeminate Brothers attempt to denigrate their more masculine Brothers by painting them as inept in compassion or empathy, creativity or intuition trying to tell us tat knuckle draggers have no compassion, they do us all a disservice.
    Think of the Concrete Mason, who places wet concrete to sculpt into a shape: apparently a knuckle dragger as the Mason wrestles weighty mass into place, what then does he resemble as the edges are carefully formed into copes and curves or the flats are worked to perfection?
    We know androgyny is a failed social experiment, frilly clothes cost more than jeans and a tee shirt, which women and men both wear these days, yet should we applaud the frugal man who works to earn a living, and attempt to set aside a bit to pass to his son's, for their future (which is what patriarchy is - from fathers to sons), why then would we criticize the self same frugal man for avoiding the marketers peal to purchase unnecessary swag?
    The attempts here at AM seem aplenty to keep the front page visible with thoughts of queer, transgender, effeminism, deviance, mental disorder...if it is true that first impressions are loudest, and the evidence of Fathers criticalness is within AM, and if Fathers and Mothers, there are women dissatisfied with the new religion of feminism, come to AM, only to see cries of change to sexual deviance or amorality (which is simply feminism in disguise), how then would we present AM as a wholesome place, where parents might find means to end oppression of Fathers, Men and Children?
  461. sparkwhite's Avatar
    I'm sorry I doubted you Bob
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    May I humbly assert gender has been used to replace the word sexuality? Human beings have two sexes, the semantic obfuscation is intentional trying to gather a mantle of respectability about the concept of homosexuality. Much in the same wordsmiths created homophobia, so suggest someone was afraid and hence an affront to their masculinity, although so said fear is not the motivator to preserve family structure. Homosexuality has attacked straight men in concert with feminists trying to create a new norm, the literature does not suggest that this is to the benefit of our children. Much as some tried to hide the word misandry, semantic obfuscation eventually fails but in the meantime wastes effort.
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    May I humbly assert there may be an aspect of patriarchy overlooked? There was a time when families thought of sustainability, where Father upon Father would pass to their sons the little bit each father had worked to amass over generations.
    In the developed world generally, excepting a few fortunate few, savings have dwindled coincidentally with the onset of feminism.
    With the families disrupted, and DADs income diverted, family estates are being shattered. Two human beings procreate, breed a baby, feed the children until they are eighteen show them the door and give them the boot: that probably does not lead to family sustainability.
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    Well said indeed.
  465. BobV01's Avatar
    Ever wonder why they do not teach this one to us?
  466. Richard's Avatar
    What is say is very true - one can only wonder why the media ad BBC spend so much time talking about Westminster, but not covering what happens in Brussels.

    The very sad truth is that we keep edging towards a totalitarian system, or at best a superstate. But then again, this is also the agenda of the World Bank and UN, as well as he Hauge court.

    Ah, power corrupts and absolute power is even more fun!

    Alas, you can shout and scream all you like. No one listens, and at worst you will be regarded as a freak. Now how do you reply to this (provoke, provoke !)

    One theory is that power tends to get centralised and becomes a monolith, often held together by repression (ala KGB). But there are conflicting interests in the monolith and so the monolith begins to break up and the "thaw" affects the people eg czechoslovakia 1968, the "spring of eastern europe" 1989. Indeed, even the USSR broke up without any inernal opposition - it collapsed.

    Will the sme happen to the EU? Probably, but only long after we have all become its slaves and and long after we are dead.
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    Ok thanks. Is it possible that you can default my settings so my blogs are public unless I change it?
  468. BobV01's Avatar
    We are we, and we are men, it may be a pain and we have much to do, with our life, our job and what we leave to our young Brothers ,
    We need to get the word out, tell a friend, a co-worker, perhaps those blokes who tax our checks,
    If there is no other way shout it out to our Mothers.
  469. BobV01's Avatar
    Let us not forget, that to this very day, there are those who wish to say Gender instead of sex, there is an agenda to that I would suggest.
  470. BobV01's Avatar
    May I humbly assert, for us and for ours and for our Brothers as well, 'tis our job to point out the facts, sad as the task seems to be .. .
  471. Marx's Avatar
    I can only echo what Rohara has said... it's a war on boys set up by the feminist groups - and it's worked... I remember it going on when I was in school 20yrs ago.
  472. Marx's Avatar
    Very informative entry, thanks!
  473. BobV01's Avatar
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    Using gender v. sex plays into the androgynists book: there are two sexes male and female. Twenty-years ago in response to political diatribe we had take your daughter to work day which we managed to evolve into take your child to work day. Cancer has turned pink but not purple. The Boyz Crisis was maligned. This is all about the money.
    We have been engaged in the current struggle for forty years. The sexes were far more integrated, than some realize and others suggest. Radical feminists chose to polarize.
    Please also consider, as we move Daddy out, single mothers and social workers are free to effeminate their sons, have women play the victim full of unequal expectations and project that as fair as a societal norm.
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    Richard, I thought I'd give it a mention... your blog is set private.. so normal members cannot see it exists. Not sure if you wanted it private or not.
  475. BobV01's Avatar
    Catherine’s comments seem true enough, sad to say they may not be as timely as thought.
    For clarity: linkage politics seeks the justice of draining another’s strength. Progressive in America is used by many, especially females to refer to a strain of the democratic party. Liberal is oft times linked to both Democrats and Libertarians and those of the Tea Party. Fishermen, Sea Harvesters, Men who go out to sea all seem to be trolling for something.
    Feminism is of course a label for a political movement veiled in identity obfuscation: the obfuscation is present now, it was in 1970 and in the age of enlightenment which began circa 1600 AD. The strife between men and women has existed longer still: twenty seven hundred years ago Homer wrote of cheating wives who murdered children and transferred husband’s estates to others.
    Justice is a simple beam scale.
    As quick as one might be to advocate for equal or just distribution, how quickly will we look to world over population. Let a young lad strive to become a successful moral man. He does all the right things and then his mates massed as a society take away his children and favor the duplicitous wife, transferring the rights of his estate to her and taxing the results of his labor. Still not through with the human cursed by others we tax him again to support those poor waifs who leave their homeland burdened by a family they could never support there and call it universal justice. Should the young lad, who became a man, persevere through all of his travails and one day his children return, and his old age with death closing in, what paltry results of his labors he has managed to retain, and choosing to leave it to those returning children of his, we tax it again reducing it some more, and call it universal justice.
    Yet the adulterous wife or the one filled with strife never content goes through life claiming to be always the victim, demanding her reparations from that which we call universal justice.
    Updated 5th-April-2011 at 05:25 PM by BobV01 (bad original copy and paste from Msft Word)
  476. Black Knight's Avatar
    you're on point yet again. at the risk of sounding like a mangina, i'll say the pro-feminists/feminists are much like MRAs, except in terms of their leverage. what i mean by this is, there's extreme MRAs, there's moderates, and there the uninitiated who believe in the principals but may find the movement creepy. same applies to feminists, except they are much more accepted by society and have political power. sadly, like most movements, the extreme feminists are pushing the rest of the lot into more misandric territories

    however, we have our counterpunches available. next year tom leykis will be back on the radio, and he's VERY pro-male and VERY popular. although i've never heard him mention the MRM many of his tenets are in line with our principles.
  477. BobV01's Avatar
    It all begins by obfuscating the scientific with the politic obfuscation called gender. A father’s rights are more important than mother’s (men v. women) because peer reviewed empirical research has demonstrated that they are critical and vital to their children.
    We could examine too, the role of the sexes in what they leave to their children to build upon. Men are savers and pass that on, women are not and that is why the marketers have so generously supported feminist causes.
    Fathers, Grandfathers all of them men, pass on legacy to their children which we now know is important.
    Rights and liberties are intertwined; one sex seeks benefit only for themselves while placing the others in a suppliant position.
  478. Black Knight's Avatar
    Lmao LC, i just read some of your article posts from January and can hardly believe this is the same person. Passionate, logical, and unapologetic, a solid read.

    I disagree concerning coercive egalitarianism. I believe that society should protect its citizens from acute disaster, and if force is necessary then it should be used. Complete lack of this (in America) during the Great Depression destroyed a massive number of lives. The cure (the New Deal) wasn't a handout, but a hand up. It wasn't a cash payment for sitting around, it was great labor, and many men died from the absurdly harsh working conditions, but these men had their ability to live independently restored and the economy recovered and eventually climbed to the unrivaled height of our society's wealth as these men left the bread lines, soup kitchens, and hoovervilles.

    A government should give its subjects a hand up in disaster. The problem with the current system is that it outright encourages long-term dependency via programs that give out free money over years. Nothing should be given out, and no one person should benefit from an emergency program for years

    - An acute problem and response is "I lost my job, I'm about to be homeless, I need help finding work and I need a subsidized bed and shower for a couple of months". Which I believe every society should be able to provide once per person per lifetime.
    - An chronic problem and response is "I was promiscuous, had unprotected sex with a lot of different men, many i barely knew, cant find the father of my child. We need an income of free money for 18 years". Not a cent should be provided. If there are no consequences for actions then what would dissuade anyone from abusing the system.

    We shouldn't chronically support anyone. But we should be willing to temporarily give an emergency hand to our fellow citizen who's really hit a spot of misfortune.
  479. Black Knight's Avatar
    Society has a lot of f-d up misconceptions about gender relations, both current reality and proper conduct.
  480. Black Knight's Avatar
    Truth!
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    I didnt mean the boys need to respect teachers more, I meant society as a whole. In the US, teaching is still a low prestige job. Boost the prestige and you can get men into the field easily.
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    Erm, how about getting teachers to respect boys instead of viewing boys as inferiors compared to girls?

    You may just find that shift in attitude will help boys want to learn. Respect for teachers will come from that.
  483. Percy's Avatar
    I am quite encouraged by this.

    Respec' !
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    I have just read a post on this forum from 2007 on the theme that Feminist does not equal Female. If you've managed to get through this blog and comments, you deserve the treat to go and read that!
  485. Daniel Conroy's Avatar
    I've read a lot of the 'female privilege' checklists, but I really think there isn't one that is definitive yet. I'm working on compiling one, but it might take me a while as I want to make sure that I don't miss anything and that everything I say is demonstrable and give examples.
  486. zetamale's Avatar
    i keep on putting off debunking this list myself. There are 2 or 3 things which I consider valid, but the free market is a bitch and one or two that are valid beyond that.
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    Thank you Marx
  489. Marx's Avatar
    I was mortified by the very first topic I read from that site which was being promoted by a feminist group on facebook... I don't recall the exact entry off-hand, but the general theme was that Fathers & Uncles look upon their Daughters and Nieces with pervy eyes.

    Disgusting.

    What a horrific view these pro-feminist 'men' project upon all the good men of the world.
  490. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Thanks!
  491. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    I'm going to look at different forum software soon.
  492. Marx's Avatar
    Well, it's been a couple of weeks - and your forum looks a little dry on content. Have you considered going for a different route (i.e. not using proboards)?
  493. Marx's Avatar
    That's ace!
  494. Marx's Avatar
    Good read! Yes, I well imagine many women would suddenly become MRA's if they were forced to swap sex for any duration of time...
  495. silentblood's Avatar
    At the request of Catherine:
    I also posted it on her blog:
    Musings of a Pro-Human Woman: A Modest Proposal for Radfems
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    CNN : Feminism has made women less happy.

  497. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Sorry, dievas, but I think you're wrong.

    A few discontented people ruined a perfectly good system in order to satisfy their hunger for power.
    So...forcing people to act in a certain way is right? I don't think so.

    As gender roles "switch" our fertility rates are plummeting in the western world.
    This is very debateable in social sciences, but there's an idea that fertility is related to socio-economic factors. Perhaps zetamale can weigh in with his opinion. I do think it has anything to do with gender roles switching(and I don't want them to switch, I want both males and females to have the freedom to choose their roles.)

    Do what you want, but the traditionalist cultures that are mass immigrating into the western world, who still adhere to the traditional gender roles, will simply out-breed our "progressive society".
    I find this to be a baseless argument. Cultural Anthropologists are in agreement that this is the population stabilizing. What do you think happens when death rates are high? You breed like fucking rabbits to replace the dead.
    In the end, traditional gender roles will win; they will ALWAYS win.
    No. They won't.
  498. dievas's Avatar
    You say that gender roles don't work now... The fact is that they did work. A few discontented people ruined a perfectly good system in order to satisfy their hunger for power. As gender roles "switch" our fertility rates are plummeting in the western world. Do what you want, but the traditionalist cultures that are mass immigrating into the western world, who still adhere to the traditional gender roles, will simply out-breed our "progressive society". In the end, traditional gender roles will win; they will ALWAYS win.
  499. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Quote Quote from bowspearer
    In short you were very much on the right track here, but even what you said here was still slightly boxed in in the fact that you were still associating traits as opposed to merely genetalia, with gender. Just some food for thought
    Quote Quote from my article
    There is nothing wrong with that, nor is there a problem with acknowledging that gender is a much more complicated concept than I have lady parts therefore I have to act like x.
    That's the thing: Gender=/=biological sex(I am seriously considering in putting that in my signature). Why do people ignore psychological science, is it somehow irrelevant?
    As for gender role(and the purpose of both my articles about gender role):
    Women's lib happened. It's ok for me to be a powerful business women or other high status career person(with some people having serious issues with it. Screw those people.) BUT, on that same note, men's lib hasn't happened. Men are still expected to be earners, protecters, and providers which isn't right...I have no issues with men defining themselves as they see fit. To me this is an important step in correcting oppressive gender paradigms and remove sexist stereotypes. Gender role might have been important in the days of yore, but they are becoming for the most part, useless.

    As a final note:
    I do recognize that both sexes DO have some innate traits thanks to hormone levels, that we'll never be rid of. Even for being a gender transgressor, I am drawn to nurturing behavior(mixing that with my Dominant nature, leads to interesting encounters with people, to say the least)
    Updated 23rd-February-2011 at 07:03 PM by Lady Catherine
  500. bowspearer's Avatar
    Actually LC, I think this article slightly misses the mark.

    The reality is that gender is as simple as what genitalia you have. However that is all that gender defines.

    The reality is that our genders are geared towards one thing- reproduction, thus the epitome of womanhood is motherhood and the epitome of manhood is fatherhood. However neither completely encompasses a person's personhood, and in fact genderhood is but one aspect of personhood.

    Where society became unstuck was when it tried to associate triats with gender, based on how it saw "the perfect father/father figure" and the "perfect mother/mother figure" which in turn, were developed when society was very much governed by an ideology of survivalism.

    In short you were very much on the right track here, but even what you said here was still slightly boxed in in the fact that you were still associating traits as opposed to merely genetalia, with gender. Just some food for thought
  501. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    T_T
  502. Douglas's Avatar
    I am sure you are well aware of the poorness in using a word like "real" to describe something. Are you a real dominant? Are you really feminine? I'm not asking you to define your idea of sexism - it's entirely up to you how much of your beliefs you expose - but "real sexism" varies from person to person, and even potentially from situation to situation.
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  504. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    I do. I know what is real sexism and what isn't.
  505. Douglas's Avatar
    I hope you have a clear concept of what you mean by "sexism" and why it is a problem. I mention this because feminism gets to call even a man opening a door for a woman 'sexism' and men sometimes call a woman wanting to be supported by a man while she has children 'sexism'. Maybe you see problems in such things or maybe you don't - I hope I've illustrated why it is necessary to have a clear concept of the term so that you can have a clear idea of the problems you perceive that need to be solved.
  506. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    I hope it all works out...
  507. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    T_T Fair enough.
  508. Marx's Avatar
    I will say I tried this a while back.. I had hoped to get an MRA and a feminist admin both of whom were fairly agreeable folks to avoid the sexism from either side and a balanced administration of the site...

    While I could find a willing MRA - I couldn't find a willing feminist. Several offered to help, but once they realised it was equal powers with an MRA - they ran for cover.

    I gave up and dropped the whole idea.


    ps - I don't agree with your last statement about you two being good at dismantling problem people...
  509. Marx's Avatar
    Sounds reasonable.
  510. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    I hope not, my husband and I are pretty good at dismantling problem people.
  511. zetamale's Avatar
    if your aim is to have a forum discussing both women's issues and men's that brings MRAs and Feminists into the same forum I am all for it. I want it to work out.

    However i can also see it ending in a complete, utter disaster.
  512. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    I hope you're being humorous. No. My next blog post is going to deal with my motivations on making a discussion forum and how my ideology has changed since posting on here.
  513. Douglas's Avatar
    What's wrong, is this board to powerful that you think it best to draw people away?
  514. Douglas's Avatar
    I don't count myself as an "MRA," though others might. I do not want to be included with the kind of behaviour I've seen from some people these past few months, mostly those who like to call themselves an MRA but actually do little activism, if any. However, I am an 'MRA reader' so you get my thoughts.

    If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck I'll treat it as though it is a duck.

    If someone looks like a man, walks like a man and speaks like a man, I'll treat them as though they are a man. That includes not being questioned on their right to belong in man-only spaces (such as public lavatories).

    If you're talking about the male equivalent of some of the male to female 'conversions' that I've come across: a man who says he has woman parts and dresses like a woman but looks like a man, walks like a man and speaks like a man, then I would be inclined to exclude them.

    It does depend on what kind of man-only space it is - there is a difference between a place where men use the toilet and a place where men can relax in the company of other men for a chat and a drink.
  515. Xxavier's Avatar
    Had a conversation as well with dizzy_bint a few hours ago. She played the I've just stumbled here routine on me and played clueless. She was polite, (possibly cause I am charming , though something smelt wrong. She clearly is completely ignorant of mens issues, which explains her anger.
  516. bowspearer's Avatar
    As a male victim of 23 years of what started out as psychological child abuse predominantly at the hands of female members, and then subsequently being in relationships where i was abused to varying degrees by partners, until finally my last abussive relationship included abuse which resulted in a crippling anxiety disorder- including her raping me by psychologically incapacitating me several times, I find women like her incredibly sickeningly hypocritical.

    Women like her either automatically blame me or men like me in that sort of relationship, claim we should just "man up" by quoting stereotypes along the lines of those which blame women for being raped based on how they dress and treat us like pathological liars and if we're lucky, urban myths.

    They wouldn't think twice about accosting for example, a radical islamic cleric blaming a woman who had been raped for being raped because of how she dressed, yet if they did so face to face, they might as well be looking at their own reflection.

    They care nothing for equality, because contrary to what they claim, they do not believe that women are human beings and thus capable of both good and evil to every extreme across the spectrum, but rather that women are empowered when it suits them, but the moment accountability comes along that they're suddenly "poor helpless damsels in distress, locked up at the top of a giant tower guarded by a nasty dragon".

    To them, misandry is acceptable, but equality real and true equality is actually misogynistic and ridiculously compared to a scenario of women literally being chained on a line that ran from the kitchen to the bedroom.

    Sadly, like most bigots out there, they are blinded to the vile and bitter hypocrisy within their hearts...
  517. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Quote Quote from haute macabre
    I go through that a lot with feminists. Even when you give credible sources and show them, they still argue and think you're some sort of backwards invalid.
    I was starting to get pissed, to tell the truth.
    Quote Quote from Zetamale
    also we should link each other on our blogs
    Yes, I like your blog(and I have a couple of constructive comments a post of yours)
    Quote Quote from Chris Wedge
    I like how she changed her tone when you revealed you like to whip your hubby.

    Honestly, it tells you a lot about feminist psyche.
    Hopefully everyone knows that my sexual preferences have nothing to do with my politics of any sort.
    Quote Quote from nickb275
    Ah yes, the dizzy bint, had the chance to talk to her also. The hi's and hello's and when I asked what she wanted, just to talk she said, well I said have a look around and have fun. Seems she did just that. I bored very quickly, after two replies or so gave her the old cya, felt like I was on a dating site.
    That's terrible.
  518. nickb275's Avatar
    Ah yes, the dizzy bint, had the chance to talk to her also. The hi's and hello's and when I asked what she wanted, just to talk she said, well I said have a look around and have fun. Seems she did just that. I bored very quickly, after two replies or so gave her the old cya, felt like I was on a dating site.
  519. Chris Wedge's Avatar
    I like how she changed her tone when you revealed you like to whip your hubby.

    Honestly, it tells you a lot about feminist psyche.
  520. zetamale's Avatar
    i am assuming you got messaged someone regarding this site

    also we should link each other on our blogs
  521. haute macabre's Avatar
    I go through that a lot with feminists. Even when you give credible sources and show them, they still argue and think you're some sort of backwards invalid.
  522. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Both of rohara's articles are excellent and make sense to me.
  523. Marx's Avatar
    I'm kind of surprised rohara didn't make it a front page post/article to be honest... I dunno why he didn't, really!
  524. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    I know.

    Fun factoid about me: I was a communist in college.(Who would have guessed?)
  525. bowspearer's Avatar
    LC, I think alot of it comes down to this. ifeminists are trying tor reclaim feminism for themselves.

    Now sure there are some issues in there where there is a stark difference, but others like abortion where there is actually little difference at all, so the skepticism there is completely expectable.

    Furthermore, the ifeminist situation is fairly akin to someone in Soviet Russia fighting who believed in democracy. Certainly the views that person holds are democratic, however when they were encountered in Russia at that time, would not the natural reaction to them be to presume that they were in all likelihood, communist in their leanings.
  526. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    You can listen to the songs on my blog if you want... I thought they'd repost here...
  527. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Sure am!!
  528. zetamale's Avatar
    feelin the love now are we? :P
  529. Lady Catherine's Avatar
    Nuh-uh!
  530. Marx's Avatar
    Yes, it's everyone elses fault
  531. silentblood's Avatar
    I think Catherine addressed it well enough with her next blog post.
  532. silentblood's Avatar