i have a list of notes from the forum i still havent completely gone through, there should be a ton out of it (including a painfully lengthy piece on sociobiology)
Unfortunately, I missed the live sitting but I am told I will be able to soon receive an edited copy of the events for download. I'm looking forward to going through it, and I'm sure it will spark a good few chats on the forum - or here in the blog side of the site.
How is "the bump" coming along? Is it fully cooked yet?
I demanded they replace my overalls with a long, pink, lacy dress. Far from gender-neutral, I was emphatically, defiantly a "girl."
yes, the better that she can MANIPULATE other men
she's got no clue about "true" equality does she??? She pissed all over it at the very end regurgitating "that's what feminism is all about" crap. Yeah right. She has a long way to go. Compared to her, we're Olympic athletes, she's still in the Peewee League.
Since the 2 years that you've written this piece, how have your views changed? How much of it do you feel the same about?
Jesse is a boy's name?
My parents got divorced when i was 3, i can remember my family as it was. vaguely. Thinking back to then makes me all teary eyed. It's the main reason i still want to get married some day.
However I refuse to do so in this country. I'll go to japan or something. I want a wife and kids. most likely a pipe dream though.
Yes, worse of all, we're teaching them it's ok. Just like the idiots who feel it's ok to be racist against white people.
heres the link the the 2009 dept of labor report debunking the "wage gap" this report was taken down off their website a few hours after it was posted (fems didnt like it so it had to be taken down) anyway here it is. http://www.consad.com/content/report...l%20Report.pdf
Well written (as usual) Denise, and good to see you still at the keyboard.
I said very mush the same in my podcast last year. The pay gap : The Wages of Spin Hello, I am Amfortas and today I want to talk to you, women and men both, about The Wages of Spin. It’s about money. And about Lies. My talk, written by Paul Elam - a writer and Men’s Advocate from Houston, Texas, is about Pay equity. It is one of the last battles in a gender war that started with women’s suffrage in the 19th century, and raged throughout the 1960s and 70s. Unfortunately, it is a battle that continues, for naught. Politicians with no truths to say trot out this canard every year. But ladies, you are being deliberately deceived and made angry for your vote.
All the fighting is predicated on the notion that women earn less than men for the same work. Depending on who you listen to, the actual numbers vary. Back in the 70s, feminists wore "59 cent" pins to protest the fact that a woman earned only 59 cents for every dollar earned by a man. They also protested the "glass ceiling," claiming that women were shut off from the highest rungs on the professional ladder.
The stats are almost right. Men do earn more than women. But that surface reality is clarified when you take a deeper look into the pond. The numbers are based on a raw average of men’s and women’s income. Thus a female receptionist who works forty hours per week has her income averaged in with the male CEO of the company she works for, who works seventy hours per week.
Different? Yes. Sex based discrimination? Hardly. But that is the implication people are given when the faulty methodology that the wage studies use to reach faulty conclusions is intentionally hidden. That is what happened in the 60s and 70s, and that is what is happening now.
In April of 2007 the Feminist’s American Association of University Women (AAUW), released a study with the following conclusion in the executive summary:
“One year out of college, it says, women working full time earn only 80 percent as much as their male colleagues earn. Ten years after graduation, women fall farther behind, earning only 69 percent as much as men earn.”
So according to the AAUW, women have gone from a 59 cent wage gap to a 69 cent wage gap. But there remains one fundamental problem. The methodology hasn’t changed. Please note the very next line from the executive summary.
“Controlling for hours, it say, occupation, parenthood, and other factors normally associated with pay, college-educated women still earn less than their male peers...”
Note that they did not say that after controlling for hours and other factors that women still earned only 69 cents but that they earned “less”.
In other words, they presented their conclusions so that unsubstantiated statistics would be remembered and passed on to others. It was a clear act of deception; a distortion, fabricated and marketed as science in order to pursue an invalid political agenda. It is a deception – and a set of bogus figures – that are repeated in legislatures in most Anglophile countries - by Harriet Harman in the UK and Julia Gillard in Australia for instance, and Nancy Pelosi in the USA. These are powerful political feminist women who have never experienced a glass ceiling in their lives and are paid far more than 99% of men. They are on the highest rungs they claim women are prevented from reaching. Lies seem to fall easily from their lips into other women’s ears. For deceptively garnered votes. They have dirty hands, but not from hard work. Naturally, the question arises, if feminist studies are distorting the facts, then what is the truth?
June O’Neill, former director of the United States Congressional Budget Office, conducted a study of the wage gap allegations. She found, after controlling for experience, education and number of years on the job, that women earned 98% of what their male counterparts earned.
That is a wage gap of 98 cents to the dollar, or what most statisticians would say is statistically insignificant or within a suitable margin of error to call EQUAL. That is what the Feminist University Women should have concluded, and would have if they were in the slightest interested in disseminating accurate information. But the truth about the wage gap myth undermines the feminist agenda to paint women as victims to the male dominated work place. Understand that the AAUW and other similar feminist organizations use these results to raise funds and to put themselves in the media limelight. If there is no problem, and there isn’t, then there is no need to give them money or even to pay attention to them. While feminists maintain that feminism is about empowering women, we all to often see that their agenda depends on making victims of them, even if those victims need to be fabricated. We can and should dig into this some more. It is important to understand much more about why studies indicate a wage gap before the statistics are clarified by considering variables that affect the outcome.
Dr. Warren Farrell, Ph.D., the only man ever elected to the National Organization for Women’s national board of directors, three times, was one of the early feminists incensed at the alleged pay gap. Dr. Farrell dedicated a great deal of his life to challenging the culture to address this injustice.
Then, one fateful day, he asked himself questions that would change the course of his life and, eventually, convince him to leave that organization, reportedly to the relief of his feminist peers.
He thought, “Wait a minute, if women actually earn only 59 cents for every dollar earned by a man for the same work, why wouldn’t companies only hire women? Wouldn’t they be able to produce products much cheaper than companies that employ men, and put the competition out of business?"
He spent the next several years in painstaking research of the subject, and came to a conclusion that has been verified as many times - as it has been ignored.
Women make less money because of their choices, not because of discrimination.
When given the choice between more money or a better quality of life, women are much more likely than men to choose quality of life. Women work fewer hours per week than men on average, take more time off, and frequently choose to put family and personal life ahead of their jobs. This speaks to women’s Intelligence and Empathy and Nurture much more that it does to their alleged status as victim.
Men not only work longer and harder, they are much more likely to choose work that puts them in physical danger, exposes them to the elements, shortens their lifespan and increases the level of job related stress.
These jobs, as a rule, pay better. It is the increased wages of risk and hardship. And the fact that more men than women choose to do those jobs is not a matter of discrimination, except to the extent that we still socialize men much more than women to put themselves on a chopping block for a paycheck.
And this illustrates a concept of Farrell’s, seldom mentioned when discussing matters of pay inequity and glass ceilings.
The glass cellar.
At the very bottom of the employment ladder are the death jobs. Police work, fire fighting, construction, truck driving, commercial fishing, manual labor and other jobs that form the backbone of our civilization. They are also the most dangerous and life diminishing professions imaginable. All of them are as male dominated as the halls of power.
And they point to something that many may not want to hear. Pay equity for women is found not in board rooms and corner offices, but behind the wheel of a semi, driving forty tons of steel through icy weather in winter. Inclusion and parity is in the blistered hands that hold shovels and hammers in our mines; in the Oceans and Seas, laboring like a dog in unthinkable cold and fifty foot swells to bring the fish home to the table; in facing down sociopaths with knives in the darkened back alleys of our dense and decaying cities.
These realities call upon us to examine a truth that many don’t want to utter in today’s politically correct culture. But it is the truth nonetheless.
If you want to get paid like a man, you have to work like one.
Sometimes, real justice is a real surprise, and equality, a simple step up to reality. Thank you for listening to the truth and reason. This is Amfortas and I thank my colleague Paul for his fine words. This podcast and video have been made in collaboration with Christian J for One for All. I dedicate this to my estranged but beloved daughter, and to my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased. Ask, Who does the Grail Serve. The Wages of SpinThe Pay Gap MendacityNarrated by AmfortasWritten by Paul ElamAudio Production by Christian JVideo Production by Paul Elamhttp://www.thehappymisogynist.comhttp://www.thehappymisogynist.blogspot.comOne for All Productions2009Who Does the Grail Serve?Video. You Tube . The Pay Gap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbYU0aeaX1o&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fantimisandry %2Ecom%2Fmra%2Dyoutubers%2Fwages%2Dspin%2D20606%2E html&feature=player_embedded Amfortas, Paul Elam and Christianj, examine the myth of the Pay Gap and show, name and shame the political women who lie to get the women's vote. Dr Warren Farrell demolished the mendacious claims but has been ignored by the media. Men do the dirty, dangerous work which pays well while women exercise choices that are more nurturing and 'safe'. The glass ceiling does not exist but the glass cellar does. Excellent video production by Paul Elam. Podcast : The Wages of Spin http://soundcloud.com/christian-j/the-wages-of-spin Amfortas narrates the analysis of Paul Elam of the Pay Gap Myth, showing the mendacious and partial statistics promoted by politicians to anger women for political advantage. Women’s choices are intelligent and nurturing while men not only work longer hours but take the dangerous jobs that pay more. Dr Warren Farrell’s early rationales are sustained.
i've personally never known ANYBODY who was paid less or more based on their gender working the same job.
i think this 77 cents on the dollar does not exist , its horseshit. i've never seen any evidence of it , nor has anybody even tried to provide me some proof.
I absolutely agree with this. Children's television programmes so commonly portray the father or son as painfully idle, inept, dim-witted and often impulsive. In the UK, there is a childrens cartoon called "Peppa Pig". Each episode revolves the exploits of this family. Invariably "Daddy Pig" is incapable of performing the most simple tasks. To exemplify - in one specific episode, "MummyPig" requested that he hang a picture frame. Amidst much amateurish, blundering behaviour, he finally hammered the nail into the wall only to discover that he had decimated the wall in the process...Following a hasty plasterwork job, "Mummy" arrived home, promptly berated him for his failure and then, quick as a flash and with the greatest of ease, hammered the nail in. I've found that this is one typical, monotonously predictable way in which males and females are conveyed in books, films and programmes produced specifically for young people. Feisty, kick-ass women and emasculated, blundering men. Feminists either tend to deny that this type of misandry even exists or if they do acknowledge it, then usual "men have committed historical injustices against women" justification is trotted out. Its a pity they don's see the irony in their behaviour.
This is nothing other than the net result of a war on boys in all levels of education that has been going on for decades now. It is little supprise that it is happening.
You already know my stance on marriage!
I really do think this is a great bit of work, Pops. One that will be referenced several times in the future. It is open and well thought out. Hopefully, it will sink in with a good number of men (and women) too.
"It's kind of fun to say that men are going to die out
WTF IS GOING ON
i seriously am beginning to believe that misandry is just the deep-seated jealousy and anger that people have towards men, who constantly remind them with their Awesome Man brains how fucked up society is and aren't afraid of calling out on people's bullshit especially those who have "status."
these government paid professors are total pushovers and their disdain for anything male (pursuit of truth, idealism, moral courage) is a testament to their incompetence and buffoonery. Government paid professors especially hate males, because they are more likely to pose a threat in exposing their parasitic scams along with the rest of their government cronies.
Well, I guess it won't be long until feminists begin complaining about men receiving 'unearned' income from women when marrying... of course, when women in that situation, that was also a man's fault and she was just a victim.
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The misandry spews heavily within this article, but it's main message is certainly worth shouting about.
"APScience Writer Seth Borenstein: Women may think of men as primitive,"
What a very misandric statement to start the entire article with!
The article is very interesting though.
Great stuff, Ohso. I'm really glad you managed to bring this up (in the forum too) as it's about time we had something positive about men in the academic arena.
edit - what i meant ot say is the statements aren't inherently sexist in themselves, only because they are so very dishonest.
I don't really think you're looking at sexism here - there's nothing wrong about stating the inherent qualities of a particular group, she did qualify the statement using the term "most".
Of course it total nonsense and the EXACT opposite of reality - the reason it is sexist is because it isn't based on the evidence. Men are renowned for thinking incredibly logically, it's what they do! There are of course exceptions, but such logical thinking explains why men still excel in the sciences and maths etc even despite our feminised education system today.
Women are far more illogical and emotional. Not that such qualities are necessarily negative in all circumstances, they can very very useful at times.
think we wil just have to retain my Justice4 children blog and on the end of each of my messages and if you have not had enough psycodilia ; www.daveyonefamilylawman.blogspot.com
good shit man!
Quote from Meadester A law in Mexico now allows men to be raped?! I hope that's at least an exaggeration. That should be big news if it's true. Do you have a link to that? Sure.
Here's a link to the AM discussion on it previously. Quote from The Article MEXICAN men who display extreme jealousy or avoid sex with their wives could be tried in court and punished under a new law.
Those who stop talking to their wives, avoid sex...
Men found guilty of jealousy or indifference could face up to five years in prison... There ya go. Quote from The Article "Men ought not to feel discriminated against," she told Excelsior. LoL http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-13762,00.html
I dont have the response anymore, as it was in a PM/email on an old Yahoo account, but Professor Unt (the 2nd respondant) claimed that this law was not sexist at all and was entirely down to 'culture'.
So it seems sexis... culture is an acceptable system to blame for oppression of men, but when those same systems oppress women (real or perceived), it's all sexism and MUST be attended to.
A law in Mexico now allows men to be raped?! I hope that's at least an exaggeration. That should be big news if it's true. Do you have a link to that?
Whoa - colours.... My eyes... .they're meltinnnnnnng - Argghhhhh
WWE is fake, but can be entertaining.
Quote from Marx Good good... what's it about? It's generally about politics, including but not limited to men's rights.
Are there meant to be some images?
Truly not asure what point you are attempting to make. FAPT is FAPT and has been around for some time. I absolutely agree the term "peer reviewed" can bu abused.
This is a wonderful opportunity to illuminate what the term means. A researcher following the scientific method (now also called scientific process) comes to a conclusion and publishes that conclusion along with the supporting documentation amoungst his scientific fellows who either rebut or concur. A Wallerstein study was rebutted and the rebuttal was then rebutted by fourteen researchers, which then established the original conslussion as valid.
The Duluth Model never purported to have peer review, If I am mistaken please let me know and provide documentation. The whole point to the adverse comments regarding Duluth is that it was based upon female perpatrators then twisted whithout peer review as a conclusion about males. I am unsure how much of NOW's material ever is peer reviewed or ever wide enough in scope, NOW has successfully propagandised, similarly I am unsure what peer reviewed empirical research ACORN has used. Most certainly the verbiage used to depict what is alleged as facts is important to pay attention to. Most certainly by failing to be patient, persistent and Brothers males have allowed propaganda to oppress them in the face of facts to the contrary. Thanks for reading the post though.
I see a couple issues.
First, the acronym FAPT, on printed matter (posters, fliers, and the like) is TOO easily turned into FART, with the slightest modicum of graffiti. Choose the typeface carefully.
The whole issue of "peer review" as some sort of implied authentication has long been abused by what is called "the herd mentality", especially amongst members, and graduates, of a particular institution, or amongst those with
similar non sequitur goals. (like continued gub'mint "grants").
I've seen Peer Review, Wikipedia, Robert's Rules of Order, the United States Uniform Tax Code, Title IX, Affirmative Action, Text Books, alleged "inside sources who shall remain nameless...", EX-(fill in the blank) said..., recent University Studies, and I guess most pointedly-"According to the Center for Disease Control...", "Many" Psychiatrists Surveyed..., and of course, there's "The Science is settled..." in justification of the redistribution of wealth via weather "concerns"- ALL abused to the point of worthless as authentic. (see:NOW, Duluth Model, The (fill in the blank) Political Party, ACORN...
I've got nothin' to offer as a plausable alternative. Just bear in mind that certain usurped catchphrases of once-honorable intent (most recently "peer review", and Nobel Peace Prize) can develop poisonous connotation overnight.
Good good... what's it about?
If you think there might be a way I can help you, please contact me. In the meantime, here’s my analysis of why male cooperation is so feeble:
Women can organise en masse to confront the opposite sex (women’s movement, Women’s Studies, feminism), but men cannot: they are too busy competing with each other for female favour. This is clear in chimpanzee and bonobo society as well, and so there is probably a common origin. Even in baboon society the females normally have the upper hand in group situations. Only one-on-one does male dominance work — though again, even in baboons, to gain sexual favours the male must demonstrate his social skill in caring for babies, rather than his physical strength. This is all achieved through female solidarity, as they discipline the alpha male. If only we men could stick together for one second!
In other words, it’s going to be rather an uphill battle.
Genesis, I for myself whole heartedly agree. I assert that the army we need exists, it is called Brotherhood. I further assert it is time to talk up Brotherhood, consider how we each treat and react with our Brothers and realise that had we stood shoulder to shoulder forty years ago we might not be in the situation we currently find ourselves in.
You know i have tried all the legal ways to get the laws to help me stop my neighbour from harassing me, BUT THEY WONT
I have a female sergent from West Mercia Police say to me Mr ------- we cant help you because your a male and you live by yourself. I put a complaint in about this to professional standards and they refused to deal with that complaint!
So yes we are being controled by the feminist state".
SO I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME WE HAD OUR OWN ARMY TO DEAL WE OUR ISSUES!!!
I was told a few years ago that when there are no resources available to HELP you, you have the right to defend yourself.
MAYBE THIS IS THE TIME".
In helping each other, we indeed help ourselves and our children, please take a moment to consider the thoughts in these two posts: http://antimisandry.com/blogs/bobv01/unthought-origin-mad-dads-89/ http://antimisandry.com/strictly-manly/men-fathers-patient-22841.html#post171338 When we find that place, where again, men stand shoulder to shoulder, our children will profit.
This is being discussed here:- If I became overwhelmed by a woman's continual arguments and pressure? - Yahoo! Answers
My poster says, my neighbours HARASS me because, i'm not like there partners, EFFEMINATE!! They don't like it, but i don't give a s**t, i want them to confront me, but they won't because there WIMPS!!! This is just one of my posters, police don't like them, but i'm not swearing, i'm just giving back what women do, denigrating men'.
last year i said to a neighbour i want a word with you man to man, he said you mean you stoped me to have a word with me, i said to him" stop denigrating me, neighbour replied is your mummy and daddy in (i'm know youngster) i don't like what you just said, i told him this was a man to man talk, he said i upset him (i'm surrounded by effeminate men and they don't know it!!) this is what i have to put up with!!!
Hope to move one day".
Ps how do you remove this pink back ground, i hate pink!!!!!!!
Why is the moderator not replying to my e-mail? Quote from S Culbert So what did those posters look like? Sounds interesting.
So what did those posters look like? Sounds interesting.
Andy Kershaw 'bewildered' as BBC drops interview - Times Online
On my rounds of peddling views on this I made an off the e-mail remark that in future Fathers 4 Justice campaigners were to wear Chelsea strip and the The Sun ( toilet roll of papers) kept ringing me all weekend to ask if it was true I said use it as a cartoon but unless you do a more robust report even more so then the BBC then I am not interested
They were not into reporting on the open courts or Simon Anderton so not interested in being ridiculed again
There is no need for men to give any more than women give. Saying women are complex and hard to please indicates a great problem in a relationship. Neither party should be harder to please.
If you treat your man with love, admiration and respect, unless he has some sort of personality disorder*, you will find him so in love with you that he will move mountains to make you happy.
Sounds like a submissive man.
Of course women don't have to move mountains to make men happy?
And you can't make someone fall in love with you with fake admiration so he will give you that much more back in return.
Chivalry should die.
Women ever rarely help random men with anything.
Until women start giving up their seats there is no need for men to carry stuff for women.
It just takes a toll on his body.
And women do the same thing in relationships.
Always expecting the man to do the painful housework.
I remember hearing this is why men get sick more often on Male matters.
I have trouble believing women are so weak to not be able to carry a typewriter etc
Warren Farrell's quote about the facade of weakness applies.
That seems like a traditional role doesn't it.
And no women do not have more intense or more frequent orgasms.
That's a feminist myth.
I know it my be drastic,but these people will not leave you alone now.
I agree with 90% of what you said and applaud you for it Tera. Good work and very well said.
Feminism has had a direct impact on men though and it is more than just flawed in fact.
I don't think the average feminist is the direct cause though. The radicals are the loudest and I think we are suffering the fallout of their books and speeaches from the 70's.
Most feminists may in fact believe in equality and have no desire to harm men.
But on the other hand they do nothing to stop the harm to men and children.
So even if it is a passive role the still are part of the problem through their inaction as are many men who do nothing to solve their own problems.
But other than that Tera I think you did a splendid job of pointing out the issues in a manner that everyone can grasp.
Good on ya 'davout'... it's good to have these 'best of the month' type works as it helps promote a 'better' approach from male-friendly bloggers, gives them something to strive for.
If men have all the power, how come women make the rules? -Jack Kammer