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    This is a discussion on When It Comes To Divorce, British Dads At A Disadvantage.... within the Australian Men's News forums, part of the Blogging Hub category; Sounds just like in Australia too! Quote #1: In the vast majority of cases here, mothers receive residence, regardless of ...


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    When It Comes To Divorce, British Dads At A Disadvantage....

    Sounds just like in Australia too!

    Quote #1: In the vast majority of cases here, mothers receive residence,
    regardless of how involved the father was in the children's lives before
    the parents separated. Government figures indicate that more than 90 % of
    the time mothers are awarded residence (custody) of the children. Since 90%
    of divorce cases never get to court, it is presumed 90% of fathers are
    satisfied. The fact is, most men know the odds are stacked against them,
    and don't have the money or heart to go through a debilitating legal
    process they are sure to lose.

    Quote #2: There have even been cases where the courts acknowledged a man
    has been a good and involved father, but refused contact because the mother
    says that would make her unhappy.

    Quote #3: The Children's Act of 1989 passed by Parliament was intended to
    promote shared parenting, but with few exceptions, the family courts have
    interpreted the law otherwise. Joint custody or 'shared residence' is
    almost never considered a viable option by family judges, even if that is
    the expressed desire of the children.

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    http://www.cbsnews. com/stories/ 2007/12/28/ london/main36546 60.shtml# ccmm

    CBS News
    29 December 2007

    London's Absent Dads
    When It Comes To Divorce, British Dads At A Disadvantage

    London - Families across Britain are spending quality time over the
    holidays, except for the many fathers who aren't, because the courts or
    their former partners won't allow them access to their children.

    In the vast majority of cases here, mothers receive residence, regardless
    of how involved the father was in the children's lives before the parents
    separated.

    Government figures indicate that more than 90 % of the time mothers are
    awarded residence (custody) of the children. Since 90% of divorce cases
    never get to court, it is presumed 90% of fathers are satisfied. The fact
    is, most men know the odds are stacked against them, and don't have the
    money or heart to go through a debilitating legal process they are sure to
    lose.

    British family court judges rarely see the children involved in custody
    cases, relying on reports by child welfare officers. These are
    overwhelmingly parole officers, whose specialty is dealing with convicted
    criminals. It is highly unusual for a judge to contradict their
    recommendations. There have even been cases where the courts acknowledged a
    man has been a good and involved father, but refused contact because the
    mother says that would make her unhappy.

    There was the case of a father who had been phoning his children most every
    night for six years. Suddenly, the court restricted him to calling just
    twice a month because the mother insisted his calls were "disruptive to the
    household routine." The court also refused him permission to give his
    children cell phones.

    The Children's Act of 1989 passed by Parliament was intended to promote
    shared parenting, but with few exceptions, the family courts have
    interpreted the law otherwise. Joint custody or 'shared residence' is
    almost never considered a viable option by family judges, even if that is
    the expressed desire of the children.

    When fathers are awarded time with their children, it is still up to the
    mother to open the door. The courts rarely punish mothers who ignore court
    orders and ultimately many fathers get worn down and give up.

    A 1998 government paper indicates that 40% of separated mothers admit to
    blocking contact. There has been no indication of a positive change since
    then.

    The Daily Telegraph newspaper recently quoted a family court judge as
    saying, "A father spent $120,000 to secure a defined court order." But the
    mother ignored it, refused contact and now "the father is penniless and the
    case is still unresolved."

    Another judge conceded, "Enforcement of an order repeatedly contravened is
    extremely difficult. Fines and imprisonment of offending mothers are
    detrimental to the child."

    This is deemed more important than the detrimental effect blocked access
    has to the children's relationship with the father. It also undermines the
    presumption that justice should be blind.

    Far too often the courts ignore research showing a father's involvement is
    directly linked to how a child turns out.

    According to a British government report, "Boys who feel their fathers
    devote time and talk to them about their worries almost all emerge as
    motivated and optimistic men. Early father involvement protects against
    delinquency later. A father's involvement in children's education at age 7
    predicts higher educational attainment by age 20 in both boys and girls."

    The elementary school in London that refused to send a father information
    unless he provided the postage stamps is more the reality on the ground,
    and sends the dad a strong message about how he is perceived.

    When Sir Bob Geldof, the anti-poverty campaigner and former Boomtown Rat
    was divorced, he lost access to his three daughters and was plunged into
    'an ocean of grief.' Geldof said, expressing the emotions of many, "it
    freaked me out. I could not live without my kids. I just wanted to go to
    some dark grey corner of the world and howl into the void."

    Geldof was ultimately awarded custody of his children after a drug raid on
    their mothers home. She has since died of a drug overdose, and he has since
    adopted the child she had with Michael Hutchence, the INXS band member who
    hanged himself.

    Geldof is an outspoken critic of family courts and once said he'd received
    70 large garbage bags filled with letters from desperate fathers. Is it
    surprising then that a BBC survey found that a quarter of British children
    do not consider their fathers immediate family?

    There are a growing number of support groups such as 'Families Need
    Fathers' that also lobby for change. At their meetings it is heart breaking
    to see the cancer of the men's loss eating away at them, as they tell their
    story and look to others for a bit of advice and a shred of hope.

    While it is true some fathers do not want to have contact with their
    children, there are more than enough who do but can't, who are not abusive,
    drunks, addicts, or deadbeat dads, and who pay their child support.

    In the movies, dad ends up being able to see his kids (albeit through the
    benevolence of the ex-wife), but real life is not like Kramer vs. Kramer
    and Mrs Doubtfire, that's why this holiday season, many British children
    and their fathers won't be celebrating together.

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    Things are no better for Dads in Illinois. The state does have a criminal
    statute which makes it a misdemeanor crime for a custodial parent to
    withhold court-ordered visitation. But the statute must be enforced by
    local police, who consider missed visitation to be a ''civil matter''
    regardless of the law. Speaking candidly and off-the-record, most police
    officers will admit that they don'' even know how to issue a citation under
    the Unlawful Visitation Interference Act.

    No county in IL has more than a dozen citations issued each year, despite
    the tens of thousands of non-custodial fathers throughout the state. Every
    county courthouse has an Office of Child Support Enforcement, but not ONE
    courthouse in IL has a corresponding office to enforce court-ordered
    visitation. So while Mom can rely on governmental assistance to collect
    child support, Dads are ''on their own'' when it comes to enforcing
    visitation orders.

    Posted by upbeatdad at 08:25 PM : Dec 30, 2007

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    Dads of America should demand equal treatment in family courts. It''s
    ridiculous to assume women are more capable than men of raising kids. And
    why isn't child support deductible especially when it exceeds standard
    basic living expenses. Kids need their dads. End of story.

    Posted by standlee5 at 06:58 PM : Dec 30, 2007

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    Since when are children the sole "aspect" of a womans life?
    Posted by robstrck at 01:53 PM : Dec 30, 2007

    I'll second that! My sons were every bit as much my children as they were
    my ex-wife''s!

    Posted by SgtRDS at 03:36 PM : Dec 30, 2007

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    AND A MISANDRIST/FEMINIST KNEEJERK:

    Oh no, another tale of the put-upon white male. He has found an aspect of
    women''s lives that he can't control, but fear not, he won't rest until
    he's rectified that.

    Posted by tngreen at 01:14 PM : Dec 30, 2007
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    Re: When It Comes To Divorce, British Dads At A Disadvantage....

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    Dads of America should demand equal treatment in family courts
    I don't. Not for American dads, UK dads, Australian or Canadian or New Zealander dads. No-one's dads.

    I do not want 'equal treatment' from rent-seeking corrupt scum. Just how do we get it to equal? Hurt the mothers the same way fathers get hurt? Ease up on fathers and treat everyone with the same level of scum-injustice?

    Damn the Judges paid $230,000 a year to dispense misery and Family destruction instead of Justice. Damn the hangers-on who scamble for 'professional fees' and rip off fathers at $250 an hour. Damn the lawyers who strip assets at $400 an hour plus inflated letter costs and phone calls and photocopying at $3 a page and nose-picking costs at $5 a bogie. Damn the clerks who treat men like cattle, applying the clerical bolt to the heart at every opportunity.

    I want the complete eradication of the family court. Hah! Family. What a scandalous misuse of the word.

    I want dead judges with their property and wealth confiscated. Lawyers too. I want some hanged in the street. Others worked to death on chain-gangs.

    The State is behind the destruction of the family and the family Court is its instrument. 'Equal treatment' desire is a farce.

    I would happily see the day when a thousand Darren Macks sit in car parks opposite Court House windows all over the world and fire at the stroke of twelve.



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    I want the complete eradication of the family court. Hah! Family. What a scandalous misuse of the word.
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    The State is behind the destruction of the family and the family Court is its instrument. 'Equal treatment' desire is a farce.
    Here, here. Society has much to answer for it's desecration of marriage and family.



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