What is Misandry?

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What is 'misandry' and what is 'anti-misandry'?
Misandry is the hatred of males as a sex, as opposed to misogyny, the hatred of women; or misanthropy, hatred of the human species. Misandry comes from misos (Greek μῖσος, "hatred" + andr-ia (Greek anér-andros, "man&quot. Those holding misandric beliefs can be of either sex. Thus it holds to common sense that Anti Misandry is to work toward removing misandry from our culture.

Can you give me some demonstrations of misandry? Sure. Have a look at the second-wave feminist view of men for an example. Valerie Solanas, the radical feminist who shot Andy Warhol in 1968, provides a famous example of misandry in her self-published SCUM Manifesto. In case you're wondering, SCUM is an acronym for 'Society for Cutting Up Men', practically a call for gendercide, the culling of men. Quite literally, Solanas expressed her desire to "institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."

Wow, this is pretty bad stuff - what can I do about misandry? For one thing, you can stop accepting it as a 'way of life'. Once upon a time, respect was a two-way street. These days it is more a one-way street where men are demanded to be respectful to women (even those who do not earn, or even try to earn it) while simultaneously disrespect of men is expected, condoned, perpetuated and even taught. You can make a difference by refusing to live this way.

Did you just say misandry is 'taught'? Yes, that's right! The next time you switch on the television, count how many programmes have the token 'stupid boyfriend' or 'abusive husband' or 'paedophilic father' figure. Switch over to a children's channel / time window and watch how many cartoons or programmes reflect 'silly daddy' characters or 'bullying big brother'. Don't forget, of course, nearly all the women in these same programmes will be smart, sexy, sassy and full of beans, capable of juggling a career lifestyle with children, a husband and a social circle - let's not forget that she's undoubtedly a wonderful cook and always remembers everybody's birthdays. If these images are being constantly spread out over our airwaves, what does that tell our children who are growing up watching & learning daily, hourly, that men are just so stupid, abusive and ... well, useless?

So is it more feminism's fault, or the media's fault? A lot of both, but neither would be able to indoctrinate our youth without the support of.... the government.

Ahh - yes. The government. Tell me about their involvement? Well, they positively support and enforce feminist programmes of anti-male bias.

Uh? Think 'Violence Against Women Act' - notice something wrong in that? Notice how violence against men or children is not mentioned? VAWA implies, through it's title alone, that men are the primary perpetrators of violence - despite 30 years of research and in excess of 130 scientific studies proving that intimate partner violence is roughly mutual. Time and time again, the results say the same "men and women are equally violent towards one another". And yet, when feminists demand preferential treatment or additional 'rights', the government promptly delivers, like a good boy.

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Bmiricle - 1st-December-2010
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I’m glad you edited that out dude, she might have took offence

Yeah, must have lost my head for a minute.

Douglas - 1st-December-2010
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you shouldnt make generalizations about all feminists.
most feminists simply believe in equality between men and women and work to defend women's rights
feminists are usually not misandrists

I'm interested to know why, if you think feminism is about equal rights for both genders, it is called 'feminism'.

Would you expect many women to be interested in the 'masculinist movement'? Or does that sound like something that only has men's interests at heart?

For a moment, just imagine you'd never heard of 'feminist,' 'feminism,' etc. .. now think what you would call a movement aiming to give equal rights to both genders. You know, some label that really implies equality and encourages all people - whatever their chromosomes and howsoever they view themselves - to get involved behind it.

Now, why do you think those who shape feminism and influence people into the feminist way of thinking don't want to encourage men? Is it to do with the preponderance of lesbianism among them, or perhaps it's more to do with the highly misandric viewpoints they have, or maybe it is the way many of them (if their words are to be believed) quite literally don't want men to exist?

I understand that what YOU think you mean if you call yourself a feminist may be something very noble and just. The trouble is, that when you apply any social label to yourself, you apply the meaning established by the literature put out under that label, and the meanings of the most vocal who apply that label (the de-facto leaders). If you don't want to be associated with the litererature and leaders that define 'feminism,' you'll have to stop applying the label to yourself, possibly finding something that really does say what you want it to mean.

Douglas - 1st-December-2010
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I am a woman and I fear admitting that will make you all see red.. ' Here's another one of those dogs'
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This is a misogynistic site. It reeks of woman hating....
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Woman who loves lots of men and women who love men and women and men who love women and men.

Marx has already given you a good (I think) and timely response to your post but as just-another-member (and fairly new, too) I'd like to say my own few words.

Firstly, please don't denigrate yourself, nor encourage the misogynists. "Another Bloody Woman" is not nice.

If I thought that this is a misogynistic site, I would not have signed up. I have seen misogynistic postings and have commented adversely on them. This is a forum and I like the way that people are allowed (within bounds) to air their views, whatever they are, because only that can lead to open examination of the issues to hand. This is a site to offset misandry and, since most institutionalised misandry has its roots in feminism, that inevitably means it's quite anti-feminist. Now, that can be a problem for women. Since the very root of the word 'feminist' is the same as 'female' it is easy for a woman to associate herself with feminism, even just subconsciously. I know I'd feel the same psychological impact about someone declaring themselves "anti-masculinist" - it sounds rather close to "anti-masculine" which hits me the same way as "anti-male."

However, feminism has a defined meaning that has little relevance to 'feminine,' however that might be defined. See my post on this thread of an hour before.

Some here DO hate women, at least for the moment, and that's unfortunately very human if you've just been terribly hurt. What I hope we (by 'we' I mean the men who've recovered, the men who've not been hurt and the women here) can do for those men is show them that while they may have lessons to learn, the emotion, the anger, the hate, has to be let go of - it should not be held onto and forever spewed forth just because of one, or even more. There are definitely social ills and political imbalances that make life for men (and their children) hard, especially at a nasty woman's hands, but that should not be blamed on all women: just on those women AND men who want to perpetuate the injustices.

Finally, thank you for spreading some love and reminding us all that there are lovely and loving women, as we try to get fairness for our gender.

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Marx - 24th-December-2010
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Unregistered - 1st-January-2011
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I just found this site today, and cannot be more thankful that it exists. Having just graduated with a degree in English, I've spent most of the last few years in college where most every literature class I've taken has (at one point or another) boiled down to the idea of all men as being villainous monsters who've worked to oppress women through the entirety of history. When the professor who had been mentoring me for the majority of my academic career launched into a spiel about how he hated being a man due to all of the evils that "we" have caused (because apparently anything that was possibly committed in the past is the responsibility of the current generation of men), I nearly lost it. After finding this site, I finally feel like I'm not so alone in thinking there is something wrong with the feminist portrayal of men.

Tuesday, December 28, 2010Buying Masculinity
Others have noted the homoerotic um, admiration, that many rightwing men channel toward "authoritarian strongmen" like Vladimir Putin, men who display hyper-masculine traits. Labeling traits like strength, virility, and violence as those that are essentially male, and then vaunting these traits as superior to their "opposite" female counterparts, the line between whether a man wants to, say, be Putin, or be with Putin, does seem to be blurred at times.

Indeed, reading many rightwing, anti-woman, and/or MRA-type (the lines between these groups often blur, as well) sites in the blogosphere, it is appalling to imagine some male commenters as fathers, brothers, and sons. Mostly because those nouns often imply that such men have real-life relationships with women, for whose safety I am incredibly concerned.

Homosexuality might appear to be a logical response to woman-hating, were it not for the inconvenient fact that men who hate women are often too insecure to fathom having an intimate relationship with a gender equal, another man, as such a relationship would not be based on the sexual hierarchy of man-on-top-(of-woman). While many anti-gay people claim that they are not scared of gays, homophobia nonetheless seems an apt word for men who fear equality in their personal relationships and interactions. They fear being "the same as" others, especially women.

In seeking to preserve male privilege and power, rightwing woman-haters display an extreme anxiety about hyper-masculinity being exposed as the mere performance it is.

And with that introduction I present the following column by Doug Giles, writing at Townhall, who has compiled a list of man-gifts for Real Men. If it weren't posted at Townhall, I would have taken it as a feminist parody of the caricature that misogynist and misandrist gender essentialists paint of men.

But alas, no.

The biggest question about its authenticity instead rests in whether the piece is a legitimate article or a tacky advertisement-in-disguise for the brands Giles highlights.

What is abundantly clear is that it's an advertisement for that performance of manly man-ness that is associate with power over others, as each item either literally or figuratively represents that inherent position of men. Because this list of man-gifts is supposedly what Real Men, on the basis of them being men, would like to receieve, the article frames this dominance as authentic maleness. It is the classic, This Is How Men Just Are Ooga Booga gender essentialist bullshit narrative that is at once condescending toward men, while also justifying and excusing male violence.

Giles begins by bemoaning those "fussy metrosexuals" and contrasting them to his manly buds:

"The patriots I run with, however, are pretty easy to satisfy. Herewith are my suggestions for what to get the man on your list who doesn’t mind being a man but rather celebrates the gift of living in the God-blessed testosterone fog."

Men are basically a mixutre of Paul Revere and cavemen, still running amok through the countryside, unable to control their manly testosterone-laden impulses. Boys are entitled to stay boys forever, entitled to run on pure id, letting everyone else deal with the consequences.

Because men are inherently that way, they'd love to receive:

1) Boots

The better to stand on your neck with, m'lady? Who knows. What matters is that men need a specific boot from Zimbabwe. From a $pecific boot company, actually.

2) A gun

I note here that embedded within this article is a klassy advertisement wherein Nancy Pelosi's head is pasted within that old Nintendo Duck Hunt game. No word on how those Red State Feminists feel about that violent call to arms, although we can guess how they'd feel if it were Sarah Palin's image readers were urged to shoot at.

3) A knife

From a specific kife company, natch.

4) A bible

From a specific bible company.

5) Something called a "'Who Would Jesus Whip' power band'" which is, apparently, a product Doug Giles, the author of this article, created.

It's basically a knock-off Livestrong bracelet that advocates violence. Violence is apparently okay when it's violence Jesus Would Have Done. Jesus ain't no girlyman!

6) Like the bible, three more books by dudes about dudes.

One about the "original intent" of the "founding fathers," one about a Christian pastor, and another about warriors.

7) A painting

Painted by Doug Giles, author of this article.

He saved the best gifts for last:

8) A cigar

Not just any cigar. But a specific Cuban type of cigar known for its "big ring gauges." Because, "'If you’re going to smoke a cigar, make it a long and strong one.'"

9) Real Man Juice, which is a specific brand of whiskey with a dude's name all over it. One that's "complex, powerful, incredibly smooth and retains the [Real Man] signature smokiness."

Got it, fellas? All that, and masculinity can be yours! For the not-so-cheap price of.... wait, how much does all this shit cost again?

On a serious note, I don't actually think many rightwing men who fetishize hyper-masculinity are gay, although some undoubtedly are. Although being a Real Man is supposedly something a Real Man just is, accessories must be bought, books must be read, violence-advocating bracelets must be worn, and actions must be taken to prove to others that one is a Real Man. It is a culture that is overinfatuated with the romanticized idea of what Real Men Are. It is a culture that builds men up by tearing women and femininity down.

To be a Real Man is to be better than to be a woman, and what distinguishes men from the lowly woman, in their eyes, is the phallus. So as they clench their teeth around that long and strong cigar, they thank their god with all their femiphobic might that they weren't born female.
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Laurel_Cz 2 days ago

That Giles article was amazing.

The comment section after it was amazing.

I spend so much time in the feminist blogosphere that Real Americans sometimes start to become sort of boogymen-like to me...and then I read articles like that, shiver a little inside, and cling tighter than ever to my blogs.
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Princess Rot 3 days ago

On the subject of Real Dude products:

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogs...
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fannie 2 days ago in reply to Princess Rot

LOL, I love hyperbole and a half.
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Buffy2q 3 days ago

Vidal was right. The American male is hysterical about his manhood.
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The Fivefold Path 3 days ago

I can attest that it's somewhat of a taboo to veer into overt admiration of hypermasculine physicality when in the company of Real Dudes.

For example, while watching Predator with Real Dudes you're allowed to comment on how badass Arnold is, but you're not allowed to mention how attractive his body looks, even though he spends 74% of the movie shirtless and glistening with mud or water. You have to tread very carefully lest you "cross the line" and face a subtle or not-so-subtle exile from The Gang. So you can say, "Holy crap, he's so ripped," but you're not allowed to say "Holy crap, he's got a great body."

Ahh, I love Real Dudes. And by love I mean hate.
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fannie 3 days ago in reply to The Fivefold Path

That reminds me of the Buffy episode where potentially-gay Andrew (I think it was him) said to his buds:

"Spike is so cool" [insert awkward silence] "Oh, and the girl is hot too."
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yttik 3 days ago

You know Fannie, it's not just the right wing men. I still get embarrassed reading some of the erotica about President Obama, "sweat glistening off his toned chest, fingers caressing his steamed hair." etc etc, until you start to wonder if you aren't reading cheap porn rather than a newspaper. And who can forget Chris Matthews with his leg tingles?

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fannie 3 days ago in reply to yttik

It's also not just politicians either. The homoerotic love extends to sports stars and musicians as well. Over the holidays, I was watching television with a straight male relative who was in charge of the remote. As he was channel-surfing he came across Michael Jackson's This Is It and stopped to watch in awe just as MJ was doing a particularly inspiring crotch-grabbing routine. The camera then cut away to a group of young men who were also watching MJ and mimicking his movements.

It was all really gay.
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John 3 days ago in reply to fannie

LOL, you people see things I have never thought of.
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yttik 3 days ago in reply to yttik

Disqus cut me off, LOL. I was trying to say, I laughed when you said "be like Putin or be with Putin." When it comes to selling the image of hyper masculinity you start to wonder. It's sure not women who put posters of Rambo up on their walls.
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Sarah C 3 days ago

For Christmas, my girlfriend and her father shared some expensive scotch whiskey that he had bought. I forgot what type it was, since I do not really drink that stuff. Does that make her a Real Man © or does it depend on the brand?
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Comrade Svilova 4 days ago

And why, pray, do Real (non-faggy, of course) Men need to smoke such large freaking cigars?

(/snark)
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Buffy2q 3 days ago in reply to Comrade Svilova

I was wondering the same thing. What, praytell, is non-faggy about sucking on a giant phallic symbol?
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kynthos 4 days ago

Wait a damn minute here... I thought Giles ran "with patriots" per his own claim?
Why the hell is he telling his faithful readers to buy so many non-American made items? I'm a little disturbed by this, what am I supposed to think now? USA! USA! USA! It's like he can't juggle his gender essentialism and his hyper-patriotism at the same time.

p.s., Fannie, I love the new header, I am so ready to pull up the other chair by your woodstove
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fannie 3 days ago in reply to kynthos

Pull up a chair and stay for awhile. Cigars are optional, of course.
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Personal Failure 4 days ago

last night, my husband took his xmas money and bought a charcoal grey wool pea coat by Ralph Lauren (60% off!) and then rhapsodized about its superior construction and materials. seriously, he showed me the stitching twice. he even knows why that stitching is superior to the stitching on cheaper coats.

i guess he has to turn in his penis now.
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Rob 0 minutes ago

Your blog does less to speak out for feminism than it does to degrade men. Your hypocrisy is astounding. You imlpy that all MRA's are homosexual yet I'm sure you would take offense to someone prejudging all feminists as lesbians. You mock men for your perception of their homophobia and then go on to insult them for supposedly being latent homosexuals. Your blog is nothing more than an immature and ego serving henpecking session. You women should be ashamed of yourselves.

Douglas - 1st-January-2011
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Tuesday, December 28, 2010Buying Masculinity
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I got totally lost as to what this post is about.

Marx - 1st-January-2011
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I got totally lost as to what this post is about.

You too? Glad it wasn't just me... a bit of formatting wouldn't have gone amiss

Charlie - 8th-February-2011
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I think feminism is also anti-woman a lot of the time, or at least anti-feminity. All the bra burning, etc, and nowadays in America and Western Europe, women don't dress up, wear makeup, or really try to look good anymore. And yet, they are having their cake and eating it to to a certain extent. Case in point: The Diamond Engagement Ring Scam
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silentblood - 8th-February-2011
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Indeed, reading many rightwing, anti-woman, and/or MRA-type (the lines between these groups often blur, as well) sites in the blogosphere,

lol wut?

Men are basically a mixutre of Paul Revere and cavemen, still running amok through the countryside, unable to control their manly testosterone-laden impulses. Boys are entitled to stay boys forever, entitled to run on pure id, letting everyone else deal with the consequences.

*yawn* Nice man bashing. You sir/ma'am/it? are just wow...

Quote from Charlie

All the bra burning, etc, and nowadays in America and Western Europe, women don't dress up, wear makeup, or really try to look good anymore.

I disagree. That is all.

kastoff - 14th-February-2011
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Um, could we please have referrences to these 130 studies you have cited that state "men and women are equally violent towards one another"...or at least clarify what you mean by 'violence'? Violence, I am lead to understand, is not always physical, and not clarifying this point could lead a reader to conclude that men and women are violence in the same ways.

This bibliography examines 275 scholarly investigations: 214 empirical studies and 61 reviews and/or analysis, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 365,000.

REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY

I think it will clarify things for you. And more then prove the women are as violent as men, you will also see that women are actively becoming more violent each year.

Quote from Unregistered but annoyed.

Oh good, this perfectly explains why women are still being abused in the sex industry and continuously blocked by the glass ceiling effect.
Also, if children are exposed to media where women manage everything, women are then expected to do everything. Girls are then pressured into being able to juggle raising the children, being the breadwinner and still having enough time to be a "wonderful cook".

The two way street of respect that used to exist? Women didn't get the vote until 50 years ago! I might have believed you if you said 'two-way street which existed temporarily between the modern women and men rights movements', but really! Just watch any 1950's commercial to see how females were treated.

Concerning spousal abuse: yes, it is fairly mutual, however, " many studies show that women suffer greater rates of injury due to domestic violence, and some studies show that women suffer higher rates of assault". Another statistic states that "estimates show that 248 of every 1,000 females and 76 of every 1,000 males are victims of physical assault and/or rape committed by their spouses"
The VAWA was passed because overall there IS a higher rate of abuse directed towards women! And if men are concerned about male victim spousal abuse, there's is nothing stopping them from passing their own act.

Women earn 70% of what men earn.

Girls younger than 13 are regularly sold into sex trades.

Please note that I don't hate men. I simply want equality, and I don't feel you're adequately representing all the facts.
It's fine if this page is against misandry(which I agree is wrong in any society), but don't let yourself over-react and attack women just trying to stand up for their own rights and an equal society.

"The Glass Ceiling" has been repeatedly shown to be a myth. Feel free to simply Google the term and you will find numerous legitimate sites proving this point.

This bibliography examines 275 scholarly investigations: 214 empirical studies and 61 reviews and/or analysis, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 365,000.

REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY

Women have had the right to vote in all United States elections since 1920 over 90 years ago.

Women earn 100 percent of what men earn, and women in professional fields often earn up to 35 percent more then men in the same field. IRS findings.

Boys younger then 8 are regularly sold into sex trafficking.

You should really do more research before posting myths and propaganda.

kastoff - 14th-February-2011
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"The Glass Ceiling" has been repeatedly shown to be a myth. Feel free to simply Google the term and you will find numerous legitimate sites proving this point.

This (REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY) bibliography examines 275 scholarly investigations: 214 empirical studies and 61 reviews and/or analysis, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 365,000.

Women earn 100 percent of what men earn, and women in professional fields often earn up to 35 percent more then men in the same field. IRS findings.

The Fighting Dude - 21st-February-2011
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This is one of the most precious and hilarious things I've ever read. It's like when a group of unskilled, lazy, poorly educated white alcoholics get together and complain how black and hispanic people have taken all their jobs (and I'm not just referring to the tea party).

I mean, seriously...I'm an everyday guy, and I can't help but laugh at things like this:

"Once upon a time, respect was a two-way street. These days it is more a one-way street where men are demanded to be respectful to women (even those who do not earn, or even try to earn it) while simultaneously disrespect of men is expected, condoned, perpetuated and even taught."

Really? Women have been considered property since biblical times (read Deuteronomy), and have experienced countless atrocities at the hands of men simply because our physical strength gave us the power to take what we want (and this is still commonplace, just look at Africa). Men have conquered, ruled, and destroyed the world as they see fit for ages.

Then some clinically insane lady writes a scary book forty-some years ago and you all shit yourselves? I thought you guys were men.

But this has to be the most priceless part of all:

"If these images are being constantly spread out over our airwaves, what does that tell our children who are growing up watching & learning daily, hourly, that men are just so stupid, abusive and ... well, useless?"

Self-conscious much? Don't worry, I'm sure there will be more than enough sexualization, maybe even some good ol' degradation (subtle or otherwise) of teen girls and women thrown into the commercials to even things out and then some. But wait, why are you letting your kids LEARN from TV, by the HOUR no less? You would only do this if you wanted them to grow into the bumbling idiots on TV. This is the same kind of argument fundamentalists throw against video games. If anything is to blame for negatively influencing your children, it would be lack of sound parental guidance, not some goofy old Dad on a sitcom.

Funny, funny stuff, guys. Keep the lols coming!

Marx - 21st-February-2011
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So, to summarize you position...

Quote from The Fighting Dude

lots of Ranty McRanting from Rantsville in Rantighan filled with shaming tactics and zero substance.

Yes... I'm entirely convinced by your arguments. Well done - have a banana.

Douglas - 21st-February-2011
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Women have been considered property since biblical times (read Deuteronomy)...

Men, too, have been considered property since biblical times (read Leviticus, Exodus, Ephesians). Not that it matters what happened thousands or even hundreds of years ago: I wasn't born then but I do live now.

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...and have experienced countless atrocities at the hands of men simply because our physical strength gave us the power to take what we want...

If you take time to read this site, you will see that women, men and children are experiencing countless atrocities at the hands of women. So your point is..?

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... (and this is still commonplace, just look at Africa).

I've been there, looked around. And?

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Men have conquered, ruled, and destroyed the world as they see fit for ages.

That's strange, I thought I lived on the world. (Taking a look about me, peering out the window.) Yes, I DO live on the world. It's destroyed, eh?

Men have tamed, managed and developed the world as they see right for ages. If you would rather not make use of the things past men have done for you, I suggest you get off the Internet, get out of the house you live in, sleep on the ground, don't use anything requiring electricity, a motor or an engine .. I hope you get the point.

You don't like men, do you? Professional help is available but don't use one of the many feminist psychologists - it sounds like you've had quite enough feminist indoctrination.

The Fighting Dude - 22nd-February-2011
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Who said anything about changing minds? I'm just thanking you all for the laughs.

Oh and I'm sorry. I thought this website was all about ranting, unfounded arguments, generalizations, and distortion of reality. I like both men and women fine, but I'm disappointed in things like this. I survived multiple abuses from a relationship with a woman, but I'm not going to blame feminism for culturally and legally empowering all women to do so. That's an absurd distortion of the meaning of feminism.

"Not that it matters what happened thousands or even hundreds of years ago: I wasn't born then but I do live now."
Yeah, I know history is irrelevant when inconvenient. It's just like those black people that get upset with racist humor and stereotyping. Ugh, that's annoying. Why don't they just live in the now?

I'm gonna go do something manly now, you kids take care.

Marx - 22nd-February-2011
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Who said anything about changing minds? I'm just thanking you all for the laughs.

It's not your laughs or such that I take note of... It's your shaming tactics, tired & worn as they are. If I didn't know better, I might be inclined to think you're a feminist trolling under the name of a man "Fighting" ('cos that's what all men do, ain't it?) "Dude". I mean, you're shaming tactics are very feminine in their approach - even claiming you're off to something 'manly' and then calling members here 'kids'. LOL - Seriously 'dude', these are predictable and typical feminist trolling tactics. I'm having great difficulty believing you are a man.

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Oh and I'm sorry. I thought this website was all about ranting, unfounded arguments, generalizations, and distortion of reality.

Well yes, we do discuss feminists who use the above tactics to demonize men and portray us as inferiors, who for example, get a kick out of fighting one another... yanno?

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I like both men and women fine, but I'm disappointed in things like this.

Really? It doesn't come across that way to me at all... In fact, as a feminist troll you come across with quite a superiority complex against men while viewing women as eternal victims.... typical of most feminists.

Quote from Ranty McRant

I survived multiple abuses from a relationship with a woman, but I'm not going to blame feminism for culturally and legally empowering all women to do so. That's an absurd distortion of the meaning of feminism.

You're damn straight it's absurd against the 'meaning' of feminism... but the dictionary doesn't dictate what feminists do - feminists dictate how they behave. And if the majority spend their time ignoring male victims of DV or in some cases even going as far as to justifying the abuse of men by women - well, that's feminism's fault. Don't blame men for observing reality and highlighting the absurdity of feminist *actions*. If you want to end the observations, then work on ending the wrong-doers, not the observers.

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"Not that it matters what happened thousands or even hundreds of years ago: I wasn't born then but I do live now."
Yeah, I know history is irrelevant when inconvenient. It's just like those black people that get upset with racist humor and stereotyping. Ugh, that's annoying. Why don't they just live in the now?

Again with trying to paint 'oppression' of women along similar lines to oppression caused by racism... That really shows your level of seeing women as eternal victims. So sad.

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I'm gonna go do something manly now, you kids take care.

What a hoot! Remember to pick your tampon up on the way out.

Douglas - 22nd-February-2011
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"Not that it matters what happened thousands or even hundreds of years ago: I wasn't born then but I do live now."
Yeah, I know history is irrelevant when inconvenient. It's just like those black people that get upset with racist humor and stereotyping. Ugh, that's annoying. Why don't they just live in the now?

No, history is relevant when looking for trends and seeing what has worked and what hasn't as a guide to what might work now.

History hundreds of years ago is irrelevant when looking for someone to blame for your own condition.

I'm guessing you're white. Probably of Anglo-Saxon stock. Do you go around apologising to every Black person because maybe your ancestors enslaved his ancestors? Do you apologise to red-haired people because their ancestors were probably pushed off their native land as your ancestors invaded? Do you accept legal and social discrimination against you today in favour of those others? What happened in the past happened - and it happened to both men and women, as I illustrated. Don't try taking it out on people today in some crazy attempt to justify classing anyone as a second-class citizen.

It's just like those black people that get upset with racist humor and stereotyping. Ugh, that's annoying.

Do you know what's most annoying about it? That black people will often use the same humour at themselves that a few black people get upset about when it's told by a white person. Sure, lighten up, Dude. Also, get educated: this site is not all rants; it also has a lot of discussion about how society is damaged by organised misandry; there are facts and figures quoted with links to the original data; there are reports about politicians, educators, social workers, the judiciary, media and others who work to effectively make men's lives harder. Some of these things are subtle - such as the humour in saying that a good man is a dead one - and some of them are far more clear and direct action against men.

Celtic Druid - 22nd-February-2011
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Originally Posted by The Handbag-wielding Gimp

Confusing feminist revisionism and misleading dictionary definitions with cold reality.

Lot's of obsessive prattling about women's (overstated) oppression, and racism thrown in for divisive measure, as standard. It's the same fatigue-inducing cliches routinely churned out by your average feminist automaton, which have less originality than an internet bot.

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