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This is a contradictory statement.

Indeed, this is the contradictory nature of feminism... 'we want equality, but only for womens benefit'.
If they wanted equality, they'd look at areas where men fare worse and work to put them to right *as well as* women's issues. Clearly, they do not want equality - rather, as I've said for a long time, they want a 'selective equality'.

Do you have any links for the claims of 13 & 15 seconds? That would be great to be armed with. Thanks.

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I believe verbal abuse is known as 'battery', not domestic violence. I got a broken rib, black eye and various cuts & bruises... Does that count?

On the subject of 'battery', feminists touted the claim that a "woman is battered every 15 seconds" as one of their anti-male soundbites, knowing that most folks assume 'battery' to mean a physical battering - not a verbal ranting/nagging. The very same study which concluded a woman was victimised every 15 seconds - also found that men were victims of battery ever 13 seconds (i.e. fractionally more often that women). Once men spoke out about the discrepancy (which feminists had been silent about until backed into a corner), they "suddenly" decided to explain that battery was verbal abuse, and so men shouldn't be affected by it - but it was ok to demand sympathy-votes when they were tricking the public into the belief that men were physically battering women every 15 seconds.

Dear Men, Boys, Lads

This is not a reply to any unique post. It's just a minor rant.

I am a woman and I fear admitting that will make you all see red.. ' Here's another one of those dogs'

I happened upon your site while browsing a blog about actor Chris Langham, whom I feel has been demonised ( and was imprisoned ) for looking at 4 images of child rape. I forgive him but millions of Sun readers aren't allowed to.

This is a misogynistic site. It reeks of woman hating. You must all have had a terrible time at the hands of the women/feminists/bitches you have encountered in your lives and I would believe you if you told me that was the case. It HAS to be the case. I can't imagine needing to write about how awful men and their history is as I love the ones around me too much to hold them to ransom because of their gender's historic crimes. I'm so over feminism if this is what it inspires in you. Damn your mothers/sisters/daughters/wives/girlfriends for blaming you for their woes/ divorce/breakup. You need to get out there more and meet some nice women, full of love and empathy, and a sense of responsibility for their choices. The minute they make a 'boys are stupid and wouldn't let us vote and it's your fault I'm in a Mood' crack, consider it a bad sign, dump them and log on here.

Can someone recommend me an URL for an equivalent anti-male site? I've trawled Google but the feminist sites I have looked at seem very tame compared to the vitriol I have exposed myself to here. I'm sure you will know of a really bitchy forum for me to compare and contrast. I'm positive these forums exist and when I find one that's as nasty in tone as this one, I will say more or less the same thing there. That's equality for you.

I do understand what misandry is.I have seen it at work many times. You are right to bring it to our attention. I agree with and defend your right to expose man-hating. But why so nasty and horrible and anti woman? We are all in this together surely? Are you not sons and brothers too?

You are all terribly clever and terribly angry.

I'm just a big soppy middle- aged married mother of sons, saddened by your voices in an already darkened world. I wish you all well but you scare me. Honest.

So please show me those URLs so I can see for myself how bad and scary those wagons can be. I will be contrite if I can witness for myself their misandry at work.

Yours, timidly awaiting your dissection of my post .
Woman who loves lots of men and women who love men and women and men who love women and men.

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Do you have any links for the claims of 13 & 15 seconds? That would be great to be armed with. Thanks.

Hi John, sorry for the delay - I only just realised you had posted this, due to seeing a moderated post below yours in the admin section... anyway, here's a couple (of many) feminist pages claiming that a woman is battered every 15 seconds (and giving no mention to men who are battered).
FACTS ABOUT VIOLENCE

Quote from feminist.com

Fact #27: Somewhere in America a woman is battered, usually by her intimate partner, every 15 seconds. (UN Study On The Status of Women, Year 2000)

Violence Against Women - A Fact Sheet

Quote from amnesty.org

In the US, a woman is raped every 6 minutes; a woman is battered every 15 seconds.

And here are some links supplying the full details:
One man battered every 14 seconds « Ambeedo

Battered Men | The Secret Side of Domestic Violence | Men Hurt Too

Quote from Heart2Heart.ca

The first research to show that violence in the home claimed victims of both sexes was conducted over 25 years ago by two respected New Hampshire family violence researchers, Richard J. Gelles and Murray A. Straus. They published results of a survey stating that "women assault their partners at about the same rate as men assault their partners." This applied to both minor and severe assaults.

Projecting the surveys onto the national population of married couples, the results showed more than eight million couples a year engaging in some form of domestic violence, 1.8 million women victims of severe violence, and two million male victims of severe violence. The study also found that half of spousal murders are committed by wives.

Noting that proponents of the patriarchy theory of domestic violence often quote a 1977 research study by Murray Straus showing that a woman is severely assaulted by her husband/boyfriend every 15 second in this country, Fontes says he finds its interesting that the same proponents regularly fail to mention that the same study indicated that a man is severely assaulted by his wife/girlfriend every 14.6 seconds.

Spousal Abuse - Battered Husbands Violence Against Men / Information on Male Victims of Domestic Violence

Quote from spousalabuse.biz & safe4all.org

How many know that the same research which is used to say that a woman is severely assaulted by her husband/boyfriend every 15 second in this country, also indicated that a man is severely assaulted by his wife/girlfriend every 14.6 seconds.

Every 15 Seconds

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If you choose to do your own extrapolation of this data, you will discover an incidence of 13 seconds also applies to males, a point which is conveniently left out of the factoid circulating today. Again, this study is so old, and society itself has changed so much it cannot be considered relevant in 2004.

JK, there are many more available with a google search for the term "man battered every 15"

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Dear Men, Boys, Lads

Hi there!!!!

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This is not a reply to any unique post. It's just a minor rant.

OKies.. I've got myself a cuppa and am ready for the onslaught...

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I am a woman and I fear admitting that will make you all see red.. ' Here's another one of those dogs'

Not at all! We have many female members on this site, and we even let them go about their lives without battering them every 15 seconds... Honest!

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I happened upon your site while browsing a blog about actor Chris Langham, whom I feel has been demonised ( and was imprisoned ) for looking at 4 images of child rape. I forgive him but millions of Sun readers aren't allowed to.

I must admit, I don't read the Sun - it's all tits n guff. It's a low-brow red-top tabloid and it just doesn't really interest me much. However, gimme a link to the article you refer to and I'll happily take a gander.

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This is a misogynistic site. It reeks of woman hating.

Well you're entitled to your opinion, even if it is a little off-key.
What a lot of people don't understand is that this site operates on a similar basis to any feminist site - to demonstrate to feminists their own hatred for men. BUT - we're simply mirroring what they do.
Feminist sites (studies, activists, groups, etc.) only talk about the bad men - only refer to articles where men look bad, and so on... or, they talk about how women are better at xyz and abc.
They do not look at men from a fair light. See my above reply to JohnKimble as an example, it states that feminist groups talked about the fact that women were battered every 15 seconds - but chose to ignore that the SAME study found that men were battered every 14.6 seconds (I mistakenly said 13). See how that works? That's like me suggesting that only men can be victims of abuse and ignoring the millions of women who have been abused. You would remind me that it's a sexist angle to work from by ignoring one group in order to portray the other group as the bigger victims.
This site tends to talk about how women are not perfect and how men can be good. That annoys the piss out of feminists, even though it's entirely true.
This is a simplified view of how feminism portrays men and women:
Men=bad
Women=good
If man=good it is because a woman is in his life to help him stay good.
If woman=bad it is because a man made her bad.

This site simply switches that around, and demonstrates that there are plenty of bad women in the world and plenty of good men.

We know that 95% of men are good, decent people. We know that 95% of women are good, decent people.

But we don't blame everything on women alone. Yet, feminists do blame everything on men alone.

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You must all have had a terrible time at the hands of the women/feminists/bitches you have encountered in your lives and I would believe you if you told me that was the case. It HAS to be the case.

That is true for many, yes... just as it is true for many feminists. One I know quite well insists she doesn't hate men, yet she only ever talks about dads who walk out on their children or abuse their children. She is incapable of acknowledging good men with the single exception to her husband, who apparently is useless in most areas of life but she is a loving woman who helps him to be a better man... see?

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I can't imagine needing to write about how awful men and their history is as I love the ones around me too much to hold them to ransom because of their gender's historic crimes.

Great news! Why are today's men held responsible by feminists for the crimes of yesterday's men? That never made sense to me. Should we hate all German people because of the World Wars - even though they're so last Century? Of course not! And it would be ridiculous to suggest we should... So it begs the question, why do feminists hate today's men for the *alleged* crimes of yesterday's men while they pretend that no woman in history ever did wrong?

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I'm so over feminism if this is what it inspires in you. Damn your mothers/sisters/daughters/wives/girlfriends for blaming you for their woes/ divorce/breakup. You need to get out there more and meet some nice women, full of love and empathy, and a sense of responsibility for their choices. The minute they make a 'boys are stupid and wouldn't let us vote and it's your fault I'm in a Mood' crack, consider it a bad sign, dump them and log on here.

Ha ha, I like your way of thinking!!! Great stuff.

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Can someone recommend me an URL for an equivalent anti-male site? I've trawled Google but the feminist sites I have looked at seem very tame compared to the vitriol I have exposed myself to here. I'm sure you will know of a really bitchy forum for me to compare and contrast. I'm positive these forums exist and when I find one that's as nasty in tone as this one, I will say more or less the same thing there. That's equality for you.

Well NOW.org is a good start, and feministing.com too might go down well for you.

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I do understand what misandry is.I have seen it at work many times. You are right to bring it to our attention. I agree with and defend your right to expose man-hating. But why so nasty and horrible and anti woman? We are all in this together surely? Are you not sons and brothers too?

You're right - there are many here who openly demonstrate plain misogyny, and that in itself disappoints me as I never intended this site to go down that path - alas, it has. Thankfully, they are in the minority and most of us have the common sense to differentiate the misogynists from the anti-misandrists.

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You are all terribly clever and terribly angry.

Yay for compliments!

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I'm just a big soppy middle- aged married mother of sons, saddened by your voices in an already darkened world. I wish you all well but you scare me. Honest.

There's nothing to fear... MRA's don't hold any political or academic influence. Let's say a misogynist labelled himself an MRA and insisted that we remove women's votes... would anyone listen? Does he hold an influential position in society? Hardly.
Yet, we have Harriet Harman (former acting & deputy Prime Minister of England) insisting that boys of 5yrs old be told they are abusers of future women, and telling girls they are nothing short of victims of evil future men. She wants our publicly funded schools to do this. She wants women only short lists to ensure women outrank men, even when men are more qualified for the position sought after. She wants men to be feared and viewed as abusers/rapists. She wants only women to receive any help with domestic violence. And much more.
So... who should fear who?

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So please show me those URLs so I can see for myself how bad and scary those wagons can be. I will be contrite if I can witness for myself their misandry at work.

Yours, timidly awaiting your dissection of my post .
Woman who loves lots of men and women who love men and women and men who love women and men.

Above I gave a couple of examples... but feel welcome to read through the many posts of this site and you will find many hundreds of examples of sexist women (feminists).

Here's one more recent example of a misandrist in action:
We don't hate men (not all of us), but it's your fault...oh and you're all babies.

You do not know misandry. There are unfair depictions in the media all of the time. That does NOT qualify a group of people as being politically and/or socially oppressed. And considering that thousands of statistics still show that women get paid much less for doing the same work as men, and as well achieve less positions in political office, AND as well are discriminated against in the military, it is very illogical, unfair, and quite pathetic that you people are complaining about a misandronistic society (you live in a patriarchal and patrilineal society, my dears).

And the feminist is not to blame for anyone's chauvinism. It is the RADICAL feminist, such as Solanas, who believed that females are superior to males. This is not feminism. Feminism is merely the belief that, socially and politically, women should be given the same rights, freedoms, and opportunities as males based on their achievements and character, NOT based on their gender or sex. And women have not gained any superiority in this society whatsoever, let alone 'over night'. Considering that women had to pull a hunger strike in which several women died in order to even get the right to vote (and this was in 1920, after black males were given the right to vote), it is preposterous and ignorant for you to pity yourself and your sex on the grounds that you are treated unfairly. You are not. Whatsoever.

If you don't like how Matt Groening depicts the patriarch of a household, WRITE him, don't say you're oppressed. That's a television show, not a constitutional amendment.

Oh, and the SCUM Manifesto is only allegedly an acronym for Society for Cutting Men Up. Nowhere in the text did she state that.

I suggest you boys do some research before trying to excuse your sexism. You are prejudiced. You are not supported in the things that you state by even the smallest amount of statistics, history, or fact from any moment in United States history. This is a sexist country and ignorance (from males AND females) fuels the flame.

Keep smiling little boys. Your mothers, wives, sisters and daughters will all be shaking their heads as you complain about not being pampered by society enough. Ignorance MUST be bliss....

Wow!

your post is so ladened with insults and shaming language, I dare not waste my time responding to all of it. I will respond to one particular statement of your, highlighting your obvious ignorance to the ideology that you hold so dear....

SCUM does indeed stand for Society for Cutting Men Up, it's spelled out on the freaking cover of the book! In brackets! Under the title! Nowhere in the text eh?

The rest of your garbage, well, I'll just let the rest of the 'boys' fill you in.

TMOTS

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I suggest you boys do some research ...

I'm on my way out to work right this moment, so don't have a huge amount of time to respond to dip-shit brains. I do, however, have time to locate and present this image in relationship to the above quote and TMOTS' factual response.

it's spelled out on the freaking cover of the book! In brackets! Under the title!

LMFAO! Aceness of the extreme!

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Concerning the vote: BBC - Radio 4 Woman's Hour - Timeline:When women got the vote note that one of those country only counts women as getting the vote in 2001.

From the BBC:
2001 - Bahrain

There's been many posts since this one so forgive me if it's been picked up since but this is EXACTLY the kind of misleading crap I'm coming across time and time again to show women as the victims even from supposedly independent and reliable sources.

Now, I can't say the BBC are lying. It was indeed 2001 when women got the vote in Bahrain.

Guess when men got the vote?

Yes, men got it when the country converted to a constitutional monarchy..

Shaikh Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa succeeded the throne in March 1999, after the death of his father Shaikh Isa bin Hamad Al Khalifa, Bahrain’s ruler since 1961. He championed a program of democratic reform shortly after his succession. . In November 2000, Shaikh Hamad established a committee to create a blueprint transform Bahrain from a hereditary emirate to a constitutional monarchy within 2 years. The resulting “National Action Charter” was presented to the Bahraini public in a referendum in February 2001. The first public vote in Bahrain since the 1970s, held by universal suffrage, the charter was overwhelmingly endorsed by 94.8% of voters.

What the situation was until 1970, I don't know but it is completely misleading to highlight that women didn't get the vote until 2001, when trying to show how downtrodden women are!

I wonder how many of these other "women are victim" dates pushed around about voting times apply equally to men.

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And considering that thousands of statistics still show that women get paid much less for doing the same work as men, and as well achieve less positions in political office, AND as well are discriminated against in the military, it is very illogical, unfair, and quite pathetic that you people are complaining about a misandronistic society (you live in a patriarchal and patrilineal society, my dears).

Bullshit.

Thousands of slanted polls, bias surveys, and propagandist feminist media stating that women make 77 cents to the man's dollar? You come work 85 hours a week as a union carpenter, mason, electrician, pipe-fitter, etc...and tell me why you don't make as much as me. You're statistics are shit. Wait...you haven't provided any.

Are you prior military? What the fuck do you know about women and the military? I spent 26 months in 6 different middle eastern countries on active duty. Don't fucking proceed to tell me, or anyone else here how women are treated in the military.

They're treated just fine. Trust me. I had to go to a semi-annual class to "train" me on the proper technique as to not offend my female counterparts. I witnessed first hand the pampered treatment and relieved work-load they endured. They have a red-fucking-carpet. Furthermore, they DO NOT see half the combat time men do. And yes...here's the fucking kicker....They are not equal to men in combat readiness, strength, or mentality when it comes to war. Period. So you know what. Go troll on a feminist site where you'll be agreed with. You have no idea what life is like.

Last edited by Bmiricle; 7 Minutes Ago at 07:25 PM. Reason: Deleted the "Kiss my ass you twat" comment

I’m glad you edited that out dude, she might have took offence

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I’m glad you edited that out dude, she might have took offence

Yeah, must have lost my head for a minute.

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you shouldnt make generalizations about all feminists.
most feminists simply believe in equality between men and women and work to defend women's rights
feminists are usually not misandrists

I'm interested to know why, if you think feminism is about equal rights for both genders, it is called 'feminism'.

Would you expect many women to be interested in the 'masculinist movement'? Or does that sound like something that only has men's interests at heart?

For a moment, just imagine you'd never heard of 'feminist,' 'feminism,' etc. .. now think what you would call a movement aiming to give equal rights to both genders. You know, some label that really implies equality and encourages all people - whatever their chromosomes and howsoever they view themselves - to get involved behind it.

Now, why do you think those who shape feminism and influence people into the feminist way of thinking don't want to encourage men? Is it to do with the preponderance of lesbianism among them, or perhaps it's more to do with the highly misandric viewpoints they have, or maybe it is the way many of them (if their words are to be believed) quite literally don't want men to exist?

I understand that what YOU think you mean if you call yourself a feminist may be something very noble and just. The trouble is, that when you apply any social label to yourself, you apply the meaning established by the literature put out under that label, and the meanings of the most vocal who apply that label (the de-facto leaders). If you don't want to be associated with the litererature and leaders that define 'feminism,' you'll have to stop applying the label to yourself, possibly finding something that really does say what you want it to mean.

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I am a woman and I fear admitting that will make you all see red.. ' Here's another one of those dogs'
...
This is a misogynistic site. It reeks of woman hating....
...
Woman who loves lots of men and women who love men and women and men who love women and men.

Marx has already given you a good (I think) and timely response to your post but as just-another-member (and fairly new, too) I'd like to say my own few words.

Firstly, please don't denigrate yourself, nor encourage the misogynists. "Another Bloody Woman" is not nice.

If I thought that this is a misogynistic site, I would not have signed up. I have seen misogynistic postings and have commented adversely on them. This is a forum and I like the way that people are allowed (within bounds) to air their views, whatever they are, because only that can lead to open examination of the issues to hand. This is a site to offset misandry and, since most institutionalised misandry has its roots in feminism, that inevitably means it's quite anti-feminist. Now, that can be a problem for women. Since the very root of the word 'feminist' is the same as 'female' it is easy for a woman to associate herself with feminism, even just subconsciously. I know I'd feel the same psychological impact about someone declaring themselves "anti-masculinist" - it sounds rather close to "anti-masculine" which hits me the same way as "anti-male."

However, feminism has a defined meaning that has little relevance to 'feminine,' however that might be defined. See my post on this thread of an hour before.

Some here DO hate women, at least for the moment, and that's unfortunately very human if you've just been terribly hurt. What I hope we (by 'we' I mean the men who've recovered, the men who've not been hurt and the women here) can do for those men is show them that while they may have lessons to learn, the emotion, the anger, the hate, has to be let go of - it should not be held onto and forever spewed forth just because of one, or even more. There are definitely social ills and political imbalances that make life for men (and their children) hard, especially at a nasty woman's hands, but that should not be blamed on all women: just on those women AND men who want to perpetuate the injustices.

Finally, thank you for spreading some love and reminding us all that there are lovely and loving women, as we try to get fairness for our gender.

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