I don't completely agree with your article, but I understand what you're saying. Both genders have a difficult time for different reasons. We're all human, so naturally we're going to have the same problems. I think if we all stop playing the blame game we'd have an easier time understanding, and sympathizing with each other. ( just to be clear, I am no accusing you of 'the blame game'). Don't forget that this argument is not just about who is mad about how men or women are portrayed on TV but about bigger, global issues. Women in the world have to deal with FGM, "Honor" killings, forced prostitution, forced marriage, harrassment by "Morality Squads", and female infanticide, among other problems. I'm sorry if TV programs have unrealistic depictions of men.
That doesn't mean men don't have problems too. I know men are dealing with domestic abuse, custodial rights, and many more serious problems. That doesn't mean you have to minimize the problems women are facing/women in general just to make people understand that men are being wronged too.

Also, Feminism =/= Misandry. There will always be radical people in a group who use the group's ideals to mask their hatred. Just because this person identifies him/herself as a member of a certain group doesn't mean he/she speaks for it's morals, ideals, etc. Feminism itself is about equality and about fighting to stop attacks on women's rights.

Gender is the first thing a person notices when looking at another person, so naturally it's important to us. That doesn't mean it has to divide us, though. I think we humans are better than that.

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Also, Feminism =/= Misandry. There will always be radical people in a group who use the group's ideals to mask their hatred. Just because this person identifies him/herself as a member of a certain group doesn't mean he/she speaks for it's morals, ideals, etc. Feminism itself is about equality and about fighting to stop attacks on women's rights.

Gender is the first thing a person notices when looking at another person, so naturally it's important to us. That doesn't mean it has to divide us, though. I think we humans are better than that.

Did any of the responders acknowledge my cutting points or just input as soulless automatons?


I highlighted quite conclusively regarding the political divide and how it works against us all, and all I hear is a ideological continuüm of the same gynocentric theme tirelessly propounded as before.

If anyone has the staunch moral mindset who's views transcend politics whereby a progressive thinking person can see the future not embroiled in the one dimensional restrictions of ideologies like feminism, but instead bursts into a freethinking mentality where crazily the concerns of people are highlighted above the puppetry of the state (albeit temporarily).

Time to physically and intellectually expunge those very 'state' mechanisms that keep us cosily connected to a faulty concept of indentured slavery (legal and moral). The people do not need any state tips as to interacting with one another. Once you start involving any aspect of the state - not only do you lose massive freedoms - but you've essentially (inadvertently) allowed the state to peer into every thing you've ever done and will do.

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I don't completely agree with your article,

That's why we allow freedom of speech here. Go to a feminist site and you'll be hard pressed to find any actual debate from a male perspective - they tend to remove any comments from MRA's and suchlike.

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...but I understand what you're saying. Both genders have a difficult time for different reasons. We're all human, so naturally we're going to have the same problems.

Indeed so! That's really the main point here - we BOTH have problems, but feminism pretends that only women need any help and of course, they demand that it's mainly men who make the changes necessary... For example, the wage gap - I've not yet found any feminist article/study discussing the wage gap and insisting that women put in the extra hours, instead it's always about businesses having to work around women's needs instead.

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I think if we all stop playing the blame game we'd have an easier time understanding, and sympathizing with each other. ( just to be clear, I am no accusing you of 'the blame game').

Well, even if I were playing the blame-game, I'm looking at an ideology - feminism blames an entire sex; half the planet's population.

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Women in the world have to deal with FGM, "Honor" killings, forced prostitution, forced marriage, harrassment by "Morality Squads", and female infanticide, among other problems.

Erm... so do men in those same countries (at least most, not all). e.g. Men have to deal with MGM (see previous posts under this same article on this very subject), Honour Killings do affect men too - though admittedly not in the same numbers. If memory serves, the last figures I saw suggested about 1/3 of those forced into prostitution were male... and in this country, despite a nine-month investigation under feminist demands, the police were unable to find one single case of forced prostitution. Men are harassed - feminists do a good job of that on their own with their hateful bigotted claims that every other man is about to beat or rape an innocent woman.

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That doesn't mean you have to minimize the problems women are facing/women in general just to make people understand that men are being wronged too.

Where are women's issues being minimized? Oddly, I recall seeing several feminist sites about domestic violence claiming that 95% of victims were women and 95% of abusers were men. They went further to claim, untruthfully, that of the men who were victims (the 5%), a majority were from homosexual relationships - ie clearly a) minimizing male victims of abuse, b) justifying focusing ALL services to women only and c) outright lying.

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Also, Feminism =/= Misandry. There will always be radical people in a group who use the group's ideals to mask their hatred. Just because this person identifies him/herself as a member of a certain group doesn't mean he/she speaks for it's morals, ideals, etc. Feminism itself is about equality and about fighting to stop attacks on women's rights.

Wrong. The so-called moderates sit in silence (or even agree) as their radical arms promote misandry, many even defend them. When Daly was sacked from her job many of her students went on petitioning for her reinstatement. They 'claimed' that the student who she denied access to simply hadn't 'fulfilled a criteria for the class' - what they 'forgot' to mention was that the criteria he hadn't met - was his sex. He was male, and that is why she disallowed him access to her classes. Her students clearly misrepresented the situation to the public in order to trick the public into signing the petition. We see this mentality time and time again from feminists. They did similar with research on domestic violence when they purposely went out of their way to only ask female candidates about their experience, thus skewing the data heavily to appear as if only women could be victims. When feminist ideology clears up and stops lying - I'll stop highlighting those lies.

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Gender is the first thing a person notices when looking at another person, so naturally it's important to us. That doesn't mean it has to divide us, though. I think we humans are better than that.

Well you can thank feminism for dividing us. It has put women into a state of fear and panic that every other man is about to beat or rape her, and made men realise just how vindictive and selfish women can be.

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...women HAVE BEEN treated wrong in the PAST, and they're realllly fracken scared it could end up like that again.

No. This is myth #1. If you study history you'll find that the POOR of both genders have been "treated wrong".

There are two disturbing aspects to this argument:
First, in recent times there seems to be some kind of prestige attached to being a victim. Feminists have milked this for all the sympathy they can get. Respect comes from what you can achieve, not from what others take away from you.
Second: if all women really were exploited by all men for all time, what does that say about women? Are they genetically programmed to be slaves? This is an insult and plainly wrong.

And finally the obvious: Western women are freer, richer and healthier than any group of women in the history of our species. Not only have they benefited from Western science, technology and economic vitality, but our lawmakers have enacted virtually every demand they've made, from voting to education and employment to reproductive control and family law.

I always find arguing with feminists to be a total waste of time. Most of them are stupid, most of them believe a pack of lies, and the few clever ones are doing it for a living and have had plenty of time to learn how to get everything down to the same old same old basic idea..

Men should not be allowed to use their male advantages, whereas females should be allowed to use all their female advantages, and also mens, and should be supported by men in doing this..

Feminism is all about women first, and to hell with everyone else, unless they can in some way be useful to womens interests.

They talk about womens interests all the time, no interest in mens issues at all, and if they seem to have, its because they want to get them working for womens interests..

If a man has an issue, you can be sure that rather than address that, they will throw up something where women have an issue and not budge on that till you have dealt with the female issue to their satisfaction...

And that is where they stay forever, and men will compromise and compromise and deball themselves till they have conceded everything of value.

Then, they cant get the male issues addressed, because, they are effectively not able to think like men anymore!

Misandry is a real problem today. Men of my generation have grown up with it our entire lives.

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Never marry.

I'm glad I found this site and I'm glad I found this article. After being stuck in so many different arguments, especially after the end of a particularly upsetting relationship where being the dude I was obviously the cause of every single problem, and after being stuck in a feminist literature class only to find I was probably the only one trying to actually look at the literature itself (in addition to being one of the only 5 men actually present in the 30 seat course and one of the guys glared at every time something about "rights" came up) I thought I was taking crazy pills. It's been insanely difficult for me to attempt to find people in my area for support, too - either I'm instantly the villain because I don't think women have it nearly as bad as they suggest, or the guys that do agree with me are actually misogynistic, which is upsetting, to say the least.

Unfortunately, I still feel uneasy just accepting conspiracy-theory-esque arguments like "it's the government/media!" It doesn't appear to me that "the media," at least, is the perpetrator so much as the view screen - they do, show, and support what they feel is the most supported or "in" concepts of the time to maximize ratings and business. The government, too, is only responding to what they feel is the majority's concerns (ignoring the bullshit about the electoral college) - they don't appear to be entities to work against, they're measures of progress.

Unfortunately, it just means there's little progress from our groups. The concept of men standing up for men's rights without being misogynistic strawmen is extremely controversial - unheard of, unnatural, or even frightening. I appreciate what you guys are doing, I am reading your articles with some hope, and I am wishing you the best of luck in spreading the word. I hope I, too, will be capable someday soon of fighting alongside you all with allies of my own.

PLEASE publicise this misandrist blog!

This posing "feminist" and, so she claims, "attorney" in fact mocks and belittles violence against men and encourages the notion of all people who oppose her as rapists and mysoginists.

This NEEDS to be dealt with en masse!- Please post this in new links/front pages all over the internet.

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I just found this site today, and cannot be more thankful that it exists. Having just graduated with a degree in English, I've spent most of the last few years in college where most every literature class I've taken has (at one point or another) boiled down to the idea of all men as being villainous monsters who've worked to oppress women through the entirety of history. When the professor who had been mentoring me for the majority of my academic career launched into a spiel about how he hated being a man due to all of the evils that "we" have caused (because apparently anything that was possibly committed in the past is the responsibility of the current generation of men), I nearly lost it. After finding this site, I finally feel like I'm not so alone in thinking there is something wrong with the feminist portrayal of men.

Here is a group I believe we should support:
Pedophile Nurses In Philippines | Facebook
Circumcision (or Operation Tule/Tuli as you call it in the Philippines) is done in many parts of the world however, ONLY in Philippines adolescent boys go through a lot of humiliation while they are sexually abused by Nurses in public.
Many photographs are published and distributed on the Internet by many nurses as well as other responsible Organizations.
These pictures show only a fracture of the humility and shame these adolescent boys face, however anyone can picture the extent and shame that really takes place during these operations. Further, they are not just “kids” most of them are almost teenagers as some are being shaved in their private parts in public!! (See Photograph) Actually this is real fun (should say Erotic Fun) for the Female Nurses. One nurse wrote on her personal website where her photos were published “It was fun to touch 56 penis today in different sizes and shapes” and another nurse responded “I am Jealous” .

Actually most of them are not nurses; they are Pedophile’s who solely volunteer to go to such places to satisfy their fantasies.

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Here is a group I believe we should support:
Pedophile Nurses In Philippines | Facebook
Circumcision (or Operation Tule/Tuli as you call it in the Philippines) is done in many parts of the world however, ONLY in Philippines adolescent boys go through a lot of humiliation while they are sexually abused by Nurses in public.
Many photographs are published and distributed on the Internet by many nurses as well as other responsible Organizations.
These pictures show only a fracture of the humility and shame these adolescent boys face, however anyone can picture the extent and shame that really takes place during these operations. Further, they are not just “kids” most of them are almost teenagers as some are being shaved in their private parts in public!! (See Photograph) Actually this is real fun (should say Erotic Fun) for the Female Nurses. One nurse wrote on her personal website where her photos were published “It was fun to touch 56 penis today in different sizes and shapes” and another nurse responded “I am Jealous” .

Actually most of them are not nurses; they are Pedophile’s who solely volunteer to go to such places to satisfy their fantasies.

this is why I dont take anything on "basefook" seriously!

what a silly website! What's wrong with you people? Psycho! Good for laughs but seriously...get a life! It's a white man's world! Get over it and quit whining about boohoo, I'm a white man and I have it SO BAD!

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Oh good, this perfectly explains why women are still being abused in the sex industry and continuously blocked by the glass ceiling effect.
Also, if children are exposed to media where women manage everything, women are then expected to do everything. Girls are then pressured into being able to juggle raising the children, being the breadwinner and still having enough time to be a "wonderful cook".

The two way street of respect that used to exist? Women didn't get the vote until 50 years ago! I might have believed you if you said 'two-way street which existed temporarily between the modern women and men rights movements', but really! Just watch any 1950's commercial to see how females were treated.

Concerning spousal abuse: yes, it is fairly mutual, however, " many studies show that women suffer greater rates of injury due to domestic violence, and some studies show that women suffer higher rates of assault". Another statistic states that "estimates show that 248 of every 1,000 females and 76 of every 1,000 males are victims of physical assault and/or rape committed by their spouses"
The VAWA was passed because overall there IS a higher rate of abuse directed towards women! And if men are concerned about male victim spousal abuse, there's is nothing stopping them from passing their own act.

Women earn 70% of what men earn.

Girls younger than 13 are regularly sold into sex trades.

Please note that I don't hate men. I simply want equality, and I don't feel you're adequately representing all the facts.
It's fine if this page is against misandry(which I agree is wrong in any society), but don't let yourself over-react and attack women just trying to stand up for their own rights and an equal society.

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Hmmmm, I love how you throw out all of these statistical figures but don't bother to back them up. I'm really disappointed you didn't analyze the numbers any further. For instance, were you aware that the BLS classifies anyone who works 35 hrs per week as full time (and not necessarily all 52 weeks in a year). Men, on average, do work all 52 weeks a year at 44+ hours per week more so than women. So naturally feminists have used this scewed figure to drive home the misconception that women are subject to discrimination of wage when the law explicitly prohibits this. As far as girl's being sold into the Sex industry... how long can hateful women riddled with penis envy use this as a cause to derail the entire system. What about all other types of human trafficking such as forced labor which men are normally more subject to. Equality? Why is it now that women feel forced into the workplace? Not everyone wants to be a ball busting board room feminazi, women feel forced to conform to this manufactured and highly unrealistic norm. How women were treated in the 50's ....give me a break... seriously... the social contract has been rewritten since this time. Back then a man was loyal to his wife and vice versa. He simply would go to work while she could focus on her biological purpose, to mother children and take care of the home. Females of any species are naturally inclined to do this. YES! Humans are animals too. I don't hate women but I will tell you that one can't exist without the other. Ancient Chinese teachings describe this even in the theory of Yin and Yang. The problem lately is that women see it as a stigma to be yin and want to be yang instead and forget about everything they are truly about. Everything that defines what a woman is has been slowly eroded to appease the views of radical feminists. Women and Men exist for different purposes, and since woman has been trying to displace man society has nose dived.

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what a silly website! What's wrong with you people? Psycho! Good for laughs but seriously...get a life! It's a white man's world! Get over it and quit whining about boohoo, I'm a white man and I have it SO BAD!

Shame. This comment really doesn't belong here.


In other news, I've been reading a lot of the stuff here, and I'd like to mention a few things.

1. What is FGM and MGM? Sorry I didn't read EVERYTHING and I'm sure I missed it somewhere.
2. On female chracters in games, Samus Aran in the Metroid series (a little hypererotic, I know) and Faith from Mirror's Edge (not very sexualized at all). Personally, I like the games where you can choose to make a male or female character, typically RPG games.
3. I think most people are affected be sexism one way or another. I'm a guy so that's why I'm on this site lol.