Marx : What's most interesting about CD's link is that it comes straight from a woman with a lot of detailed history research from a female-only perspective.

On one side, we could ask - where is the blokes version of an equally detailed history on voting rights worldwide? Why is looked through from a female-only perspective? etc.

True, i typed “male suffrage“ in the search pane on that page and got ........ loads more links to women's suffrage hahaha


“computer says no!” lol

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You're forgetting a simple fact here, HH... Women are never, ever respsonsible for anything, ever. Our unregistered feminist friend has pretty much confirmed that for us - as do most feminist folks. In short, if something is wrong - it's a man's fault. If something is wonderful - it is with thanks to women tho men are probably taking credit for it even though it couldn't have happened without a woman's input.

Simple, see.

TRue, very true. Although women are the equal of men in every imaginable way, it is not the case that they do bad things, only men do that, and when it appears that a woman is doing a bad thing, it is the case that a man was making her do it..

Yes. They really are so truly equal to men that they in actual fact are unable to ever be less than that!

(Unlike men, of course, who are not as equal as women and cant do some of the things that women do)..

(Most notably being able to blame the other gender when they fuck up! Thats a uniquely female talent and every man just accepts that eh?)

I'm sorry, my article was written quite late at night, and probably should have thought things through better before writing (e.g. 50 years vote thing duh). As you've pointed out there are some flaws in my arguments, so I'll go ahead and see if I can fix them.

Now, I was NEVER saying that any of these things were the fault of men and not women, just pointing out some things in the original post which appeared to be lacking.

Concerning the vote: BBC - Radio 4 Woman's Hour - Timeline:When women got the vote note that one of those country only counts women as getting the vote in 2001. 50 years a hyperbole referring to most Countries, but never the less, you will see in other countries is stands correct.
Also I am very aware that only privileged people (who owned certain amounts of land or assets or whatnot) had the vote for a long time until a few centuries go (but please note that it was difficult for women to actually own land in that time)

@nivek, sorry I'm not a hit and run I was just having internet issues and didn't realize my post was actually sent.

Abuse:
"Among the persons killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female, and about a quarter are male: in 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner. In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners"
Not rape, murder. And even if it was rape, it still suggests that men rape women more than women rape men..

Porn: How often do you see porn targeted at women, rather then men? Honestly, just browse the internet a little a pop-up will appear that proves my point. To be honest, I don't a problem with women choosing to do that, but it would be nice to see naked oversexed man on my screen instead.
Just a side note to this: the way men are shown in this way is wrong too, particularly the emphasis on having a ridiculously size penis.

Sex Industry: "Average prostitution arrests include 70% females, 20% percent male prostitutes and 10% customers." Either this means male prostitutes are doing a much better job at not getting caught, or this industry has a much higher demand for women. So naturally there are going to be more women in this situation. But then, if they're happy there I shouldn't bring it up/complain.

About the way women are seen as superior in the media: I accept your point of view, and you have a good point. What I was getting at was that I personally (as a woman) don't like it any more than you. And if I had a choice, I would choose the reverse. I want the media to present my gender as imperfect, because I am! It would be best of course if they presented everyone, regardless of race and gender this way. But if you're going to make me choose...
Think of it in terms of characters: in narratives there is often the clumsy one, the happy one, the intelligent one (etc) and the woman. Men make up all most other stereotypes. but the 'woman' character rarely has traits of another character stereotype.
Most of the things I hate in media related to women (over sexualization, you must always where makeup and be thin and perfect etc.) are being pushed by women. There's this ridiculous loop where that we're struggling to break out of.
Also, although women are apparently presented as 'superior', how many of them are the main protagonist and the hero? How many of them actually get the credit for 'saving the day'.

Take for instance the video game industry. Although one might think that gamers are dominated by males,although more recently females have evened the statics. Yet when is there a lead female protagonist who isn't completely oversexed (see: Bayonetta, WET, Tomb Raider)?

Glass Ceiling && Men's historical records: If you're going to argue women don't 'ask' for raises or choose high risk/profit jobs, then don't complain when men don't keep a record of their troubles throughout history
"On one side, we could ask - where is the blokes version of an equally detailed history on voting rights worldwide? Why is looked through from a female-only perspective? etc."
Personally I think the reason it's been seen from female perspective (and why feminists are so paranoid) is because women HAVE BEEN treated wrong in the PAST, and they're realllly fracken scared it could end up like that again.

@All Men: if you feel you're being treated improperly in ANY way, make a movement! The only thing stopping you is the government which is 80% male (in the US), since it's so heavily dominated by men, there's no reason a VAMA can't exist.

You said I'm only looking at the women's side- perhaps I am, but only because you're only showing the men's side.

"Women are never, ever respsonsible for anything, ever. Our unregistered feminist friend has pretty much confirmed that for us"
Yeah guys, I love your little thing about how YOU assume that I think it's always a man's fault. Seems like you guys have a bit of pent of anger towards women (or me specifically?) I don't fault men, I fault PEOPLE.

Again, I'm NOT against you (I hate the way media presents both women AND men unequally). If you have a rally, I'll write my signpost and be there, please don't just speculate that I won't be there because I'm a heartless feminist and a "f'n troll"

Okay I'm tired of writing this, so please go ahead and flame me like I suspect you will, and also a sincere THANK YOU! for not deleting my post.
Human society would be so much better if everyone could be both genders.

You know, I did have a dignified response stating a whole lot of mistakes I posted, and a few more points to add,
but I also just read some of Haahoo's forum posts and I've lost all respect for this site.

I hope you fella's you enjoy

getting some joy out of an otherwise unsuitable female one would not want to catch a dose off or impregnate!

Because you're as misogynistic as hardcore feminists are misandronistic.

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I'm sorry, my article was written quite late at night, and probably should have thought things through better before writing (e.g. 50 years vote thing duh). As you've pointed out there are some flaws in my arguments, so I'll go ahead and see if I can fix them.

Now, I was NEVER saying that any of these things were the fault of men and not women, just pointing out some things in the original post which appeared to be lacking.

It came across that way. Not saying it's entirely your fault, but it did come across that way.

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Concerning the vote: BBC - Radio 4 Woman's Hour - Timeline:When women got the vote note that one of those country only counts women as getting the vote in 2001. 50 years a hyperbole referring to most Countries, but never the less, you will see in other countries is stands correct.

Right, but as we're in the western world, I at least tend to focus on the western world. I also had presumed you had read the other article here, The Truth about Women getting the Vote. Hence my laughter at your claim of 50 years. Nonetheless, I wonder when men in general got the vote in those same countries to which you refer. We're left to assume that all men could vote since time began, which somehow I doubt.

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Also I am very aware that only privileged people (who owned certain amounts of land or assets or whatnot) had the vote for a long time until a few centuries go (but please note that it was difficult for women to actually own land in that time)

It was difficult for anyone - man or woman - to own land. Women are not the eternal victims you think of them as.

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@nivek, sorry I'm not a hit and run I was just having internet issues and didn't realize my post was actually sent.

All guest posts are moderated (invisible until an admin passes it). There is a message stating this when you submit a reply.

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Abuse:
"Among the persons killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female, and about a quarter are male: in 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner. In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners"

Right, as it states - regardless of who started it. IOW, if a man was acting in self defense - it doesn't matter. I recall a particularly horrific story of one guy who had been stabbed by his missus. He was lay on the floor in a pool of his own blood, wheezing for air. His wife was in the corner, shaking and anxious. The police stepped over his body and asked if she was ok. That's how little society cares for men.

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Not rape, murder. And even if it was rape, it still suggests that men rape women more than women rape men..

In England, no woman is legally capable of rape. Rape is specifically defined purely as a male crime. That kinda skews our stats a little.

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Porn: How often do you see porn targeted at women, rather then men? Honestly, just browse the internet a little a pop-up will appear that proves my point. To be honest, I don't a problem with women choosing to do that, but it would be nice to see naked oversexed man on my screen instead.

Women have their own version of porn - it's called Boons & Mills. Nonetheless, there is a lot of female 'visual' porn on the market too. I do, however, agree that the majority of visual porn is aimed at men while the majority of textual porn is aimed at women.

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Just a side note to this: the way men are shown in this way is wrong too, particularly the emphasis on having a ridiculously size penis.

Well indeed, and I'm sure you can understand that the man's oversized penis is not intended to please most of us guys who may submit to watching the occasional porn flick...

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Sex Industry: "Average prostitution arrests include 70% females, 20% percent male prostitutes and 10% customers." Either this means male prostitutes are doing a much better job at not getting caught, or this industry has a much higher demand for women. So naturally there are going to be more women in this situation. But then, if they're happy there I shouldn't bring it up/complain.

Well feminism sold a lie that most prostitutes are 'forced' into the job... but this was proven not true, even though you seem to be insisting it is in your original claim. Most women are not forced whatsoever. There was a radio discussion between an MP (who was pushing this lie) and a woman who actually owned several prostitution businesses and was part of a body involved. She acted as spokeswoman and flat out denied that women are being forced in to this profession. Shortly after, a nationwide police operation was set up to try and prove the feminist lies that women were being forced into it. After a year of hunting and turning up stone after stone in efforts to find women 'forced' into sexual slavery - they had not found a single case, not one.

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About the way women are seen as superior in the media: I accept your point of view, and you have a good point. What I was getting at was that I personally (as a woman) don't like it any more than you. And if I had a choice, I would choose the reverse. I want the media to present my gender as imperfect, because I am! It would be best of course if they presented everyone, regardless of race and gender this way. But if you're going to make me choose...

Well indeed, I agree - we shouldn't paint one as superior. Nonetheless, I genuinely believe being told that men are useless and abusive endlessly does have a negative impact. I've seen with my own eyes many women who actually believe that women are legitimately superior to men thanks to this mentality spread by feminist indoctrination. Feminist books sell ideas such that the Y chromosome is a 'broken' X chromosome, or even 'mutant'.

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Think of it in terms of characters: in narratives there is often the clumsy one, the happy one, the intelligent one (etc) and the woman. Men make up all most other stereotypes. but the 'woman' character rarely has traits of another character stereotype.
Most of the things I hate in media related to women (over sexualization, you must always where makeup and be thin and perfect etc.) are being pushed by women. There's this ridiculous loop where that we're struggling to break out of.
Also, although women are apparently presented as 'superior', how many of them are the main protagonist and the hero? How many of them actually get the credit for 'saving the day'.

I tend to agree with your point about not too many women being the hero of the day... but in reflection of reality vs propaganda - how many women TRULY will go out on a limb to be the 'hero of the day'? Nowhere near as many women will do that vs the number of blokes... War being a primary example, most women will hide away from such issues. Nonetheless, a lot of programmes now push this mentality that women are generally superior and can be heroes in their own way. Look at the last decade of gynocentric programmes on television; buffy, dark angel, tomb-raider, etc. Even children's programmes are 'programmed' with anti-male attitudes. My neice used to like 'peppa pig'. Daddy-pig was an asbolute idiot, he coudln't even manage to put up a shelf without mommy-pig's help, and just about every episode is concluded with peppa-pig (the child) stating with a giggle, "silly daddy-pig!" Mommy-pig is always the hero in this particular show.

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Take for instance the video game industry. Although one might think that gamers are dominated by males,although more recently females have evened the statics. Yet when is there a lead female protagonist who isn't completely oversexed (see: Bayonetta, WET, Tomb Raider)?

Women have typically not takn an interest in this field... so is it any wonder that the majority will be from a male perspective? Gaming is a highly visually orientated system and most women simply do not want to partake. Now, feminism has repeatedly blamed men for keeping women out - but I'd be interested in seeing companies putting a list of how many of both sexes they had applying for jobs when they've advertised. I'm pretty much guaranteed to see a result similar to the following:
Job for gaming coder required - pay "awesome". Five women applied - 268 men applied.
Of the 5 women who applied, they have no experience - of the 268 men who applied, 25 had experience. Of the 25 experienced men, 18 of them have been programming since teenage years at home on their PC instead of going out socializing. etc. etc etc

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Glass Ceiling && Men's historical records: If you're going to argue women don't 'ask' for raises or choose high risk/profit jobs, then don't complain when men don't keep a record of their troubles throughout history

You appear to be saying that it is acceptable for feminists to lie about glass ceilings (by placing blame entirely on men) but it is not acceptable to point out that feminists misrepresent history by intentionally painting only half a story - and not telling their audience they are only seeing half a story. OK.... Thanks for clarifying.

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"On one side, we could ask - where is the blokes version of an equally detailed history on voting rights worldwide? Why is looked through from a female-only perspective? etc."
Personally I think the reason it's been seen from female perspective (and why feminists are so paranoid) is because women HAVE BEEN treated wrong in the PAST, and they're realllly fracken scared it could end up like that again.

So have men... but our history books don't pretend that it is ONLY men - feminism pretends/lies that it is only women.

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@All Men: if you feel you're being treated improperly in ANY way, make a movement! The only thing stopping you is the government which is 80% male (in the US), since it's so heavily dominated by men, there's no reason a VAMA can't exist.

The point is, VAWA shouldn't exist in the first place as it promotes anti-male hysteria and blatantly anti-male sexism. When feminists pretend they just want equality, VAWA is the proof they want absolute superiority.

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You said I'm only looking at the women's side- perhaps I am, but only because you're only showing the men's side.

This site aims to reflect the other half of the story that feminism ignores or lies about. Hence why it focuses on men - this site is a REACTION to the sexism of feminism.

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"Women are never, ever respsonsible for anything, ever. Our unregistered feminist friend has pretty much confirmed that for us"
Yeah guys, I love your little thing about how YOU assume that I think it's always a man's fault. Seems like you guys have a bit of pent of anger towards women (or me specifically?) I don't fault men, I fault PEOPLE.

The issue here, as has been repeatedly made but misrepresented by you, is feminism - not women. It is feminism's fault that men are treated like shit in today's society (not entirely, but for the most part). You complained about women being painted as superior earlier on, that too is because companies are petrified of offending feminists. You can thank feminism for a lot of anti-female campaigns as well as anti-male campaigns.

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Again, I'm NOT against you (I hate the way media presents both women AND men unequally).

Read above. Thank your sisters.

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If you have a rally, I'll write my signpost and be there, please don't just speculate that I won't be there because I'm a heartless feminist and a "f'n troll"

Will you be there, like these feminists were there for abused men? I'm hoping not...

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Okay I'm tired of writing this, so please go ahead and flame me like I suspect you will, and also a sincere THANK YOU! for not deleting my post.

Unlike most feminist sites who silence arguments put forward to them - we have nothing to hide.

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Human society would be so much better if everyone could be both genders.

No, gender evolved over millenia because it simply worked better than any other system.

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You know, I did have a dignified response stating a whole lot of mistakes I posted, and a few more points to add,
but I also just read some of Haahoo's forum posts and I've lost all respect for this site.

I hope you fella's you enjoy

getting some joy out of an otherwise unsuitable female one would not want to catch a dose off or impregnate!

Because you're as misogynistic as hardcore feminists are misandronistic.

As I'm sure Haahoo would tell you himself that his opinions are solely his own and not representative of the forum. Therefore extrapolating one persons view and claiming "you're as misogynistic as hardcore feminists are misandronistic" is a flimsy and illogical argument to say the least.

Indeed so, CD. HaaHoo goes in stages where one week he's all about women being awesome and the next he's condemning them for something or another. Read the majority though, not just one.

That's like me saying my ex's mother (who was a self identified feminist) was representative of feminism. She used to bully her daughter in front of family & friends. In fact, her lesbian friend would gang up with her mother so my ex would have two grown women getting on her case. I stood up for my ex (when we were together) and told the mother she was a bully.

I realise she isn't a typical feminist, but she was an abusive person.

Originally Posted by petulant hit and run merchant :


@nivek, sorry I'm not a hit and run I was just having internet issues and didn't realize my post was actually sent.

Well it seems that you are now a hit and run, after becoming offended by one posters comments. it appears you have over-sensitivity issues as well as internet issues.


As has been said the admin here try to keep censorship to a bare minimum it stops the place from becoming like the Borg collective where all members agree on everything (a bit like feminist sites eh ) that would be a bit boring, don't you agree.


Its called tolerance and diversity only not like the p.c/ feminist version, we actually embrace the concepts fully and will tolerate opinions with which we disagree without running off in a foot stomping huff.

According to Chris Key, "misandry" is not wanting to kick feminists in their cunts.

Well if feminists don't make you angry then its a fair bet you are a misandrist, i wouldn't advocate cunt kicking though, maybe just a quick poke with a cattle prod

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Well if feminists don't make you angry then its a fair bet you are a misandrist, i wouldn't advocate cunt kicking though, maybe just a quick poke with a cattle prod

There are aspects of feminism that I do not agree with, but then there are aspects of the MRM that I disagree with as well. I used to call myself a men's rights activist, but no more. I'm not adopting any labels....not even the ones other people want to give me.

You disagree with aspects of the mrm ..... how DARE you


now I'm going to run off in a petulant huff

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You know, I did have a dignified response stating a whole lot of mistakes I posted, and a few more points to add,
but I also just read some of Haahoo's forum posts and I've lost all respect for this site.

I hope you fella's you enjoy
Because you're as misogynistic as hardcore feminists are misandronistic.

Touche.

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Touche.

It's not 'touche' anything, more so exemplifying a default belief of capitulation!