Men's Rights Objectives
This is a discussion on Men's Rights Objectives within the Activism Knowledge anti misandry forums, part of the Campaigns & News category; This thread's purpose is to summarize the objectives of the Men's Rights Movement. Newcomers to the MRM can quickly get ...
- 4th-January-2008 #1
Men's Rights Objectives
This thread's purpose is to summarize the objectives of the Men's Rights Movement. Newcomers to the MRM can quickly get up to speed by reading this. Note the MRO list is in a random order.
Updated: December 22nd, 2008
Men's Rights: The Situation
Feminism's Paradox
Feminism's Paradox: women are (in their mythology) superior, but they're also victims.
Women can do anything men can do, but only with special help (affirmative action etc). Instead of 'masculine' men, women now depend on state protection and support. Feminism hasn't really changed women, it's changed society to accommodate them.
All Rights, No Responsibilities
The feminists demand all the rights for women to do whatever men can, but none of the responsibilities that men have. They want their cake and eat it too. Feminists put females first at the detrimental cost of males. Pussified males that are afraid of females aid them to push through sexist laws and regulations in favor of women.
Feminism is akin to a religion that lacks rationality.
Women infected with the feminist mindset want all the benefits and none of the responsibility. Also, they say they want equality but what the feminist movement has done is go beyond equality. Now, laws and policies are biased against men, and women aren't held accountable for the choices they make and the actions they take. Nothing they do is shamed or looked down upon.
Feminists highlight the good side of females and the bad side of males. Feminists brush over the bad side of females and the good side of males.
Modern feminism: preach equality, accept favoritism, win with stacked decks, pretend you had no advantage, then rub salt in the wound.
Women have many expectations of men. But don't want any expectations placed on them, that's part of their "liberation".
This attitude of "Don't tell me what to do, you just want a slave." is destructive and comes from feminism. And it one of the main reason why so many modern western women make lousy wives.
Feminists tend to be unable to conduct a open discussion without resorting to censorship or shaming tactics.
There is no reason anymore for tax payers money to go to feminists organizations via the state. Note that not even a penny of taxes goes to Men's Rights Organizations (another example of sexism against men).
Of course the state and co. are behind this move as it is a strategy to dumb down the population, destroy the family unit, put women in the work force, pay more taxes, and teach the children however you want.
Feminists hate the family most of all, not just men. The state has taken more and more powers from families. The state breaks up nuclear families, because individual citizens are easier to control and thereby steal our children. Men have had their place taken, now women are getting their roles removed too.
"You cannot have a career and a family, it leaves one of them lacking, most likely, the family. If you want to restore the family, you have to reject feminism!! Feminism is not primarily anti man, its anti-family!
Feminists are overwhelmingly liberal democrats as a survival mechanism; feminism cannot survive if they were unable to vote for free money from the public money tree.
The Problem and The Way Forward
The problem, as always,is government. The invention of money means that resources can be transferred without the recipient necessarily being aware who has produced them. Where government steps in is to condiscate money from men and redistribute it to women, creating set of philosophical values.
The way forwards is clear. No more free money to women, whether that be via handouts, or the more sublte handouts of non-economic equal salaries and non-economic public sector jobs, or even maintenance - let parents sort out their own arrangements for supporting their children. The free resources have corrupting effects on women.
What happens when the rights of Men are not restored? The emasculation and systematic worse treatment of men results in the gradual deterioration of society on various levels. Eventually the fall of civilization occurs as the foundation crumbles and the rest tumbles. These pseudo men have become pussified, unable to defend their own rights, nor care and incapable of leadership which normal masculine men can do. This ironically also leads to the oppression of women.
Some of us have trouble fathoming where all this feminist b.s. came from in the first place. Others would have difficulty grasping that feminism is to blame for the falling birthrates seen in western (read feminized) nations world-wide.
Feminism is an UN instrument of population control
By TheSharpenedPen
I was watching CTV News today, biased and fem-dominated though it is, and they were featuring a piece on Canada's immigration policy - well, in particular, how immigrants are no longer choosing Toronto, (could be the crime, the high taxes due to socialism, the withering economy - any number of things). Anyway, they let slip that Canada has the highest population growth rate of any country in the G8 at something like 5.4%. That is high, but according to population analysts, not nearly enough to slow the aging population.
This same news cast went on to note that although our growth rate stands at 5.4%, only 1.5% is actually homegrown. If not for immigration, Canada would be losing thousands of people each year, as rates between 2.1 and 2.2 are necessary to just maintain the population at its current level. The problem with immigration is not just its economic and social costs, but the fact that immigrants tend to be past their reproductive years on arrival, and thus do little to slow the graying trend. Immigration levels would need to be even higher than they are, (already among the highest in the world), in order to maintain the standard of living as it is now and halt the graying trend. Needless to say white people would be an ever shrinking minority.
Feminism is definitely to blame for the declines, and it is another noted fact that when immigrants make Canada, and other feminized nations their home, that their birth rates tend to drop to those of their adopted country! Isn't that just lovely?
Some of us have trouble fathoming where all this feminist b.s. came from in the first place. Others would have difficulty grasping that feminism is to blame for the falling birthrates seen in western (read feminized) nations world-wide.
For those people, I will provide the answer to both dilemmas with a single quote. Can't be done? Just watch me:
(snippet)
"The U.N.'s 1994 International Conference on Population and Development, in furthering the status of women as an instrument of population control, prompted nations to expand their entrepreneurial, small business policies to include women. This was seen as a neccessary stimulant to encourage women to gain a certain economic independence which, in turn, would influence family planning and population control." (Eugene Linden, "Showdown in Cairo", Time. Vol. 144 (10), September 5, 1994, p. 42.)
Institutionalize Men's Issues
A core problem is that Men's Issues are not Institutionalized yet, while women's issues are. Men need to appoint a representative for men.
Also need to make the government stop fulfilling husband roles.
Warren Farrell makes some excellent points with 10 tips on how to fix the situation. Two most important are:
9. a commission on the status of men and men's health;
10. restraining the Government-as-Substitute-Husband
Farrell's "Top Ten Social Solutions with Budget Saving Results" that he claims transcend Democratic and Republican Party lines:
1. a men's birth control pill and a paternity fraud bill;
2. universal prenatal care;
3. listening skills taught from first grade, with simultaneous retraining of parents;
4. equal father and mother involvement, especially if there is divorce;
5. more male teachers;
6. stressing female empowerment rather than victim power;
7. keeping taxes on businesses low;
8. schools that are friendlier to boys;
9. a commission on the status of men and men's health;
10. restraining the Government-as-Substitute-Husband.
(From Farrell's campaign statement)
The Term "Feminist"
The term "feminist" itself denotes "one that suffers oppression by men". As others have correctly stated, at no other time in the whole of human history have a group of females been more free, more liberated, more mobile, more independent, and less "oppressed". They have a tenuous grasp of reality, at best.
The Wonders of Men
Homemaking, taking care of the household, the children used to be a real full-time job! (feminists use the oftenly heard lie that it was only the kitchen as shaming language) There were no dishwashers, washing machines, microwaves, ovens, vacuum cleaners, electric powered lighting, heaters and so on.
All the amazing inventions, from small to large, of which the vast majority was invented by men, are oftenly taken for granted today.
They have made life unimaginably comfier and easier for men and women. This has also realistically given women the option to go outdoors and do things which in the past there was simply barely any time for (due to lack of fast, easy transportation, contraception, state protection such as police etc). It is thanks to Men that women can do these things in the current advanced society which is a novelty in human history.
I could go on but you get the idea. The civilized world - rests in the *MEN* therein. Illusion is what creates todays strong, independent femi-nut. When things get rough they will keep their mouths shut and look for some sucker (aka nice guy) to provide for them, else, starve. After all, it was an illusion and nature has made women master illusionists. Look into history on how strong and independent women are in tough times.
Marc Rudov's Wisdom
Men's Rights Advocate Marc Rudov explains something very important:
The male politicians don't want to discuss male specific issues, because they are afraid of repercussions at home with their wives who don’t want to hear about it, start nagging or refuse sex.
Plus there's the situation where the majority of men don't complain to their city, county and federal state representatives about injustice. Instead they blow off steam with some videogames, visit a bar and other activities.
With this current cycle progress occurs quite slowly.
It's kind of a mentality issue. Men need to care more about themselves and place a higher importance and priority on their own well being and not be afraid to stand up for their rights.
This is a prime example of the difference between real men and pussified, emasculated pseudo-males. A real man protects his own well-being and has the courage to stand up for justice by expressing vocally and taking action to improve his life instead of cowering in silence.
Natural Masculine VS Systematic Emasculated Males
The emasculisation of men is the reason why the western world is in decline.
You see men and women under normal circumstances compliment each other. When men are demotivated, emasculated, robbed of their rights it will later have dire consequences for women too. For example first was the eradication of father's rights and later it will be mother's rights or parent's rights as the government assumes full control.
Men are the primary protectors and defenders. Governments that seek to expand and gain full control over people's lives will first remove this obstacle, because women tend to hand over their rights more easily for shortsighted "safety". By doing so the state is actually digging it's grave by weakening it's citizens that it depends on for survival against competitors.
Pussified males cannot defend their country or civilization against foreign civilizations that have a positive, empowering attitude towards males. The pussified males will lose by default. Males build civilizations. This is a reason why matriarchies cannot compete with patriarchies and inevitably lose.
Men from cultures where they are treated with respect and fairness are i.e. more motivated, more willing to endure hardship, work hard and to risk their life to serve or defend it, because they posses more of the classic masculine traits which makes them stronger. The masculine traits that western males of previous generations used to grow up with.
Since many western countries have adopted feminism and it's unnatural self-destructive practices: it is no wonder that western countries are in decline and that i.e. the Far East, which does not have these kinds of troubles, is rising and changing the world order.
Many western countries won't last if they stay the aformentioned course towards societal implosion.
Men's shoulders are broader in order to enforce standards NOT to be beasts of burden!
Whenever there is a lack of influence from men in organizations the standards dwindle.
When men start to accept this they will also understand the importance of getting Government out of their private lives.
When men start to accept this they will also understand that VAWA is about enforcing the standards of women upon men, because women and the manginas supporting it are fully aware of this and want to stop men from setting the standards. Such efforts from women and manginas will prove to be self-destructive.
Current Situation
Source article.
Men make two key mistakes in life: they recruit merchant maureens and elect gynocrats. A merchant maureen is a woman who drops her anchor into a man’s wallet, with his consent. He is silent, out of desperation for sex, and willingly gives her his gold. Most men, whether in private life or politics, just don’t have the balls to stand up to merchant maureens.
A gynocrat is a politician who cares only about women’s rights — men are invisible and irrelevant. Can you name an American politician who isn’t a gynocrat? Didn’t think so. Yet, gynocrats hold — and keep — elected office because men, 44% of the electorate, put and keep them there. Accordingly, gynocrats care nothing about men because they have no evidence that men care about themselves.
Men will protest a bad referee call during the Super Bowl, but they won’t protest bad laws that strip them of their rights. Men will pay thousands of dollars to purchase widescreen TVs the week before the Super Bowl, but they won’t contribute $10 to a lobbyist fighting for their rights to live as protected citizens. What else would you expect from the Defeatist Generation?
Again, men make two key mistakes in life: they recruit merchant maureens and elect gynocrats. Very simply, then, here’s how they can self-correct: 1) don’t recruit merchant maureens and 2) don’t elect gynocrats.
The true measure of a man is the courage of his convictions, the degree to which he’ll fight for his rights. The bottom line is the bottom line: How much do you really want to keep your gold? Your deafening silence says it all.
Modern Western Housewives
Modern western housewives of the 21st century: western housewives are generally bitches who won't do anything. They want all of the benefits of women from a 100 years ago with non of the responsibilities. They don't want to wash any clothes or mop any floors, they don't want to make any meals, but they want you to pay for everything; now THAT's reality. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but there's a huge amount of women who are like that out there.
If their birthplace is a western country good luck getting dinner made and chores done. When they're married they gain 50 pounds, cut their hair short, have your kids. They drop the kids off at a childcare center, hang out somewhere and get her nails done on your tab. Now you're her prisoner, because she's got you right by the balls and can take half of what you're worth, nail you with child support, alimony (vaginamony). They can permit this behavior, because the divorce laws are favorable for women. Then after divorce they lose weight, grow their hair long and try to catch the next sucker. Women want to get married, because it's good for them, but not for us in the west, since marriage has become a highly risky and unattractive option for men. Men who still marry western women do so, because they are either unaware or don't know any better.
This does not happen in countries where divorce laws are reasonable for men (non-western countries), because mistresses are a part of life, there’s serious competition out there so they have to look as smokin’ hot as possible, plus as a housewife do their responsibilities.
Western chicks want to get married then don’t do anything and you have to drag them around like a anchor.
What underscores the whole War in for example the Middle East is an attempt to inject Feminism's virulent virus into Islam and to weaken its Masculine code of Honor. This issue is acknowledge by Phyllis Chessler, Tammy Bruce, and a few other Women.
Feminism is at the heart of the Clash of Cultures. And Feminist Women are dishonest in this fact. Dr. Henry Makow has repeatedly posted about this. As has Elder George. In my personal talks with Moslims who are devout. I have told them I admire their close Families and the fact that the Men are in charge. And how Western culture trashes Men. I have told the same thing to Indian Men. Who smile broadly thank me and say to me. We love the Freedoms in America to do what you want. But we are shocked at the depravity and lack of morals of your Women. They are simply out of control. And because of this your culture is debased. When the Women are completely corrupted, civilization is at risk.
Hollywood and feminism
The folk who run Hollywood are well aware that movies are as much about propaganda as they are entertainment. Now, I happen to like a good movie, when it is well written, photographed, directed and acted, and has a substantial story line, or at the very least, good action that isn't gratuitous, like endless sequences of cars and buildings blowing up, and totally unrealistic shit like Arnold hanging on the side of a jet plane while it's flying, ignoring the fact that G-forces would have ripped him off of it no matter how strong his grip was, or at the very least, if somehow he was able to hang on, he would get severe wind burn.
The depiction of women as strong as men or usually stronger than men is a perfect example of how feminism has, like a virus, planted itself into American society. Of course, in reality, there are strong women, but a truly strong woman is not someone who is like a man. If I wanted someone who was like a man, I would get a man. A strong woman defends her man, stays with her man, takes care of him, but knows better than to think she is as strong as he is in a fight with other strong men. I mean seriously, how does someone who looks like a fashion model thinks she can kick the ass of a man who looks like Stone Cold Steve Austin? Unless there's a gun in her hand, and he's out of arm's reach of her, and she's a good shot, or at least gets a lucky shot, there's simply no way.
Movies today also reinforce the "I have a pussy so I can act as bad and bitchy as I want because I don't have to face the consequences of my behavior" attitude that I see in girls and women every time I'm in the states. Most girls and women mouth off because they know that most men won't slap the shit out of them, either because they were brought up to believe that strong men don't hit a woman, or because the man knows that to do so would land him in jail, no matter that the woman instigated the whole thing.
I prefer movies that show men as men, and women who are feminine, not feminist. Here's my short list of favorite movies for men, where women are in more traditional roles, or where women aren't a part of the story at all except as background, or if they act bitchy and tough, get put in their place eventually. The movies are listed in no particular order.
Quotas and Affirmative Action
Applying Title IX to science was proposed eight years ago by Debra Rolison, a chemist at the Naval Research Laboratory. She argued that withholding federal money from “poorly diversified departments” was essential to “transform the academic culture.” The proposal was initially greeted, in her words, with “near-universal horror.”
These bitches aren't going to be happy until they have fuck-up and destroyed every God-damned institution. Quotas and or affirmative action has never improved the quality, productivity, or profitability of any organization or institution..period. Take any well organized and profitable organization and apply affirmative action and the end result is always the same.
This topic hits home because my father was a nuclear physicist for over 30 years at the Naval Research Laboratory. I remember one day, many years ago he came home and I could tell he was pissed off about something. I said Pops, what's up? he said God-damned fucking idiots. I said, which ones? He said, do you know what I did today son? I said I have no idea.....did you break the cyclotron? He said I wish we had because it would have been far more enjoyable. He said, we spent the whole fucking day in sensitivity training on how to treat and speak to the God-damned fucking secretaries. I said, was it just you? He laughed and said no, it was the whole fucking department. I said the director too, He said it was the bulk of NRL's top physicists and mathematicians being lectured to by this woman. I said couldn't you get out of it? He said it was mandatory.
He also bitched about frequently about the decline in general service and support at NRL after affirmative action was adopted. He told me NRL had one of the finest machine shops on the east coast until affirmative action kicked in. He said it all went down hill quickly and was forced to contract out much of the work to private companies. He said NRL had to do something with all the diverse low skilled employees that they where required to hire and they all ended up in the machine shops and supply depots. Now we can't get a fucking thing made, nor can we even get a box of fucking pencils. Computers and lab equipment disappear off the docks. We have to order directly from the manufacturer and have it shipped directly to the office, because if it goes through the normal channels, it's gone.
This is just a sign of things to come. This nonsense will stop only when complete collapse is all but eminent, unfortunately this will be too late.
The Spiral
Laws may become more extreme and eventually they will reach a limit where the second class treatment of men has become so evident that ignoring is not a option anymore.
The Politically Correct Government are restricting your freedom step by step (authorized censorship and control).
Matriarchies have always been inferior to patriarchies, that's why they could not compete and faded away. Quote: When a nation goes feminine it disappears or it's destroyed by another nation that is more manly, patriarchal. Romans, Greeks etc. History proves it.
There's never been a single successful matriarchal society in history. It's just a fem/ale fantasy that has no correlation with reality.
Laying down groundwork and encouraging activism is beneficial for everybody. When rules of the minority are applied to the majority things go wrong.
Feminism's Nightmare
The state sponsored feminists' plush lives could go the way of the dodo. They would be terrified at the prospect of male strength and brotherhood as it would mean the end of their state sponsored privileges.
Men in groups may wonder aloud why they should be deferential to a minority who is really a majority and one that is officially preferenced by the government. Why should they be deferential? There can be no reason.
Before long "empowered" males might do the unthinkable and even argue with feminists in public, refuse to emote on cue and possibly even disavow guilt as a alternative life style or they might even start making say fun of feminists and feminism in general.
The path to true gender equality
What is equality? We in the men’s rights movement believe in equality of opportunity, that as long as the playing field is level then the outcomes should not matter.
The feminists tend to believe that equality of outcome is what matters, that the columns under men and women must match for there to be no more sexism (Gender Communism). So what really matters at the end of the day is what you are comparing. Rights or outcomes? This is the foundation of our debate.
MEN Were Treated Worse Than Women Throughout History
These authors are 21st Century authors! And they are parroting and disseminating feminist propaganda without any real thought.
Their confusion, presumably, arises because it is men, mostly, who have perpetrated various heinous acts throughout history, but what they fail to understand is that these heinous acts were mostly directed against men. And so when it comes to the question of who was treated worse, men or women, the correct answer is men.
a. No-one notices that it is men who keep getting the short end of the stick. Indeed, male victims are quickly disappeared out of sight.
b. It is still mostly men - e.g. politicians - who are causing men their problems.
Whichever is the case, however, they do not have a leg to stand on when they claim that women were treated worse than men.
The evidence is entirely against them - both historically and now.
And exposing this falsehood is extremely important for the men's movement; because it is upon this falsehood that so many people base their justification for pursuing a man-hating feminist agenda.
And until MRAs can scupper this widely-accepted notion that women have always been treated worse than men they will find it much more difficult to make any headway.
As such, the way in which men - ordinary men - were treated throughout history is, like it or not, highly relevant to the current debates associated with gender.
Furthermore, the way I see it, the 'rulers' have always managed to accrue their various lofty powers mostly by taking away from men. They have intimidated them, controlled them, stolen from them, demonised them, enslaved them and/or killed them.
And the same is very much true today, though on a far lesser scale.
In other words, there is definitely some observable continuum between the very poor treatment of men in the past and the poor treatment of men today. And I think that looking more closely at this continuum helps us to see more clearly how it is that those who presume to rule over us todaythemselves by doing to men what was done in the past. continue to benefit.
Finally, when I have had conversations with people who immediately and readily parrot the notion that "women have always been oppressed" and I have pointed out that their oppression was nowhere near as bad as the oppression of men, it does not usually take too long for them to see my point.
The Men's Rights Movement
People in the Men's Rights Movement need to understand that this is a war. There may not be Men marching in the streets, nor bombs and bullets flying everywhere. However there certainly are casualties. Men's children stolen, Men enslaved by child-support peonage, Men imprisoned, many Men withdrawing from society or dead from high suicide rates, Men dying from under-funded health programs. The list goes on and on. And, the longest war, the battle of the sexes, is being dominated by feminists, because only they have showed up.
The Men's 'movement' is a loose confederation of a million individuals choosing to say 'no' on an individual basis. Men who define their lives as they see fit and not as women see fit. No woman, especially some harpy is ever going to be able to accurately define what is a success or what isn't.
One good example of how to fight back — using pragmatic, effective tactics — is the lawsuit filed by the Vienna, WV-based group called Men and Women Against Discrimination (MAWAD), which seeks to stop West Virginia’s unconstitutional and discriminatory (pro-female) funding of domestic-violence programs and shelters. In another effort, MAWAD is working to eliminate the anti-father West Virginia Family Court culture.
If men would copy MAWAD’s approach, at both state and federal levels around the country, they can dismantle the lopsided gynocracy — without resorting to counterproductive stunts like illegally scaling the Lincoln Memorial.
Fools and Feminists - feminism has achieved very little for women - it is science, medicine, technology and men that have 'liberated' women.
Human society owes men a big debt of respect for what we have already done...and if our society is NOT willing to honor the efforts of men to date, men will turn their backs on society.
The MRM is a reaction to decades of men and boys being mistreated at the hands of systems filled with radical feminist laws and policies. We serve truth. honesty, logic, and liberty...we just happen to be men.
The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,but only misandry--whether from females or from males.If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.Glenn Sacks
Agenda of the Next Wave of Masculism (Men's Rights Activism)
The latest proposed agenda for the next wave of Masculism (Men's Rights Activism) provided by sir Celtish:
1. correcting the laws which militate against fathers' rights
2. abolishing laws that give women unfair advantages over men
3. removing tax breaks given to hate organizations such as NOW
4. removing charity status given to hate organizations registered as charities
5. removing sexism and misrepresentation of men and women in the media
5. giving boys and girls decent role models
6. removing 'political correctness' vetting committees from within political parties
7. challenging ideological assertions that men are inferior to women
8. changing the education system in a way that will benefit boys as well as girls
9. fighting misandry in the media and in educational establishments
10. demanding fair trials and exemplary compensation for victims of false allegations
11. ensuring fairer representation of men's views in politics by lobbying politicians
Additional objectives:
12. Open Family Courts - the secretive, insidious practices of the Family Court must be revealed to the public.
13. No Quotas - Abolishment of all quotas which is a means to mostly give certain positions in society to women without them having Earned it.
14. Men receive no help from others in achieving high-end jobs and in the interests of fairness, neither should women
15. Close the Health Funding And Research Disparities
16. Restore Marriage Men pay a too high price with divorces (usually lose children, large chunk of monthly income goes to ex-wife, half of hard earned possessions is legally stolen by ex etc). For all what you do for wife and children, you might end up alone and get a 'reward' in form of a divorce and the obligation to pay alimony and childsupport up to the end of your life. Divorce is a Cash Machine for the Legal Industry. Divorce Lawyers Do Not Care One Iota About You! They are in this business to make money not to help you win your divorce and get custody of your kids.
17. End the Female-First Ideology, Chivalry: Female First ideology is the phenomenon of letting a woman go first solely because they are women (have tits and a vagina), be her pack mule, put your life on the line to protect her while she has never Earned such high loyalty.
18. Punish False Allegations - the person who files false allegations must be punished and the identity revealed.
19. Ministry For Men and Men's Studies - One of the clearest and horrible examples of second class treatment is the lack of a Ministry For Men and Men's Studies in many countries where there is a Ministry For Women and Women's Studies.
20. Same Requirements for Women in all fields of work. Women should be bound to the same standards as men so you don't have less capable people doing a job they actually cannot do if the standards were the same.
21. Mandatory DNA Tests for Children DNA paternity tests must become a standard mandatory procedure with newborns so everybody knows 100% the parentage of children.
22. No Pussy Pass: hold women accountable for all their actions - The judicial system must punish women with the same harshness as men when they trespass the law.
There are many cases about female criminals that use the "insanity card", "psychological problems" etc as excuses to lower or undo punishment.
23. Abolish Alimony - also known as vaginamony, paying for the past usage of a vagina. After a divorce has occurred a portion of your income is forcefully taken (stolen) and given to your ex-wife.
24. Violence Against Men happens too in a quite significant amount. There's not only violence against women. Laws need to reflect this reality.
25. Shared Parenting. In case of a divorce when both the mother and father are both good parents the father has the right to see and be with his children half of the time which is in the best interest of the children which need both parents to develop normally.
26. Undo the Feminisation of Education - The feminisation of education has increased the drop out and underperformance of a large amount of male students.
27. The Right For Men to Assemble By Themselves
28. Squeeze Feminism out of Law Society Feminism in Law Society is responsible for many draconian laws like false rape charges, divorce clogging family courts, corrupt marriage terms, custody battles, paternity suits, female biased legal system.
25. Equal Influence by Fathers Procreation
26. No Child Support. Men should not be forced to pay ex-wives child support every month, because women should not be rewarded for destroying families.
In Depth
The first portion is a list of Men's Rights Objectives titled "Demands of Men" courtesy of sir Bob.
Background information: The Demands of Men have been collected from 2 years of discussion on Newsgroup soc.men and are reposted at monthly intervals.
It is recommended that MEN print this list out and mail it to each of your elected representatives every month. Every Congressman, Senator, President, State Legislator, Governor, and City Counselor ought to be familiar with this list of the Demands of Men.
This list of Demands of Men reflects current legal situations in the United States, however the authors recognize that similar or identical problems and Demands of Men exist in other countries. . Readers in other countries may need to revise the Demands to fit their particular government structure or oppressive agency titles. For example, Demand #43 refers to a particular US Law and government agency. If Men in other countries want to provide text appropriate to their home country the webmaster will endeavor to include it on the site.
First Portion of Men's Rights Objectives: Demands of Men
Protecting the rights of BOYS
1. Provide DNA testing of every child at birth before a man's name as the father goes onto the certificate of birth. Every child has a right to know his or her parentage. Every man has a right to know his child.
2. Stop the sexual torture and mutilation of baby boys, Male Genital Mutilation, (MGM). Currently over 1,000,000 baby boys are sexually tortured and maimed in the US each year. Boys deserve equal justice under the law. Men have an unalienable right to our whole body. We demand criminal prosecution of sexual child abusers who mutilate little children's sex organs.
3. Summarily dismiss justice system officials who refuse to prosecute child abusers based on the sex of the child being abused. Sexually torturing, maiming, or otherwise abusing a boy is equally bad as abusing a girl, and we demand equal protection for boys under the law. Discrimination against boys by public officials, ignoring the abuse of boys, or failure to prosecute criminal offenses against boys constitutes malfeasance of office and dereliction of duty. Abusing a boy does not excuse violence against a child.
4. End current systematic discrimination against boys in public school enrollment, discipline, and advancement.
5. Make schools safe for boy's natural rambunctiousness. Provide class and educational situations that allow movement, exercise, excitement and other natural boyish behavior. End discriminatory punishment of boys in schools for boyish behavior. End all discriminatory corporal punishment of boys.
6. Provide boys with active games and not passive TV watching, etc., in preschool, in public schools, and after school.
7. End the massive drugging of boys who won't sit still in long boring female structured classes. End the "Ritalin kid" drugging and destruction of a currently estimated 35% of normal boys. Being an active boy does not make a child psychotic, disturbed or "hyperactive."
8. Provide equal number of men teachers in schools for role models and men's guidance. Restructure educational recruiting practices and prejudicial accusations of men who teach to encourage more men to be teachers of our children.
9. Establish apprenticeship and mentor programs for young men for whom trades are more appropriate than college. The current college preparation school curriculum is not appropriate for many boys, and amounts to a prison for many young men.
10. Make public education through the 12th grade available to all who want to be educated regardless of their age. School dropouts who come back and 10th graders who only read at 6th grade level deserve to be enrolled in 6th grade level reading classes regardless of their age or social status.
11. The basic human rights of children include their right of access to both of their parents. All divorce decrees must consider the child's rights as a primary concern. The child's interest can not be heard in "family" court or any other court when the child is not represented by adequate legal counsel. A court decision for custody by either parent violates the child's inalienable human right to the other parent.
12. Recognize and enforce a child's fundamental human right to his or her father. The father is the most beneficial parent in a child's life after age 7. Depriving any child of his father is hurtful to the child. Deliberately depriving a child of his father needs to be legally recognized and prosecuted as criminal child abuse.
Protecting the rights of FATHERS
13. Support and recognize marriage as the age-old union of a man with one (or more in some cultures) women for the creation of children and family. The society has a legitimate purpose in supporting the production and education of the next generation, and marriage of a woman to a man is the way that society encourages and supports children families.
14. Recognize the husband and father's traditional role as head of the household. End all forms of government interference, criticism, review, and police or judicial oversight of a husband's decisions regarding his wife, children and household.
15. End prosecution of fathers for kidnapping of minor children. Fathers have a fundamental human right to their child. It is not possible to kidnap one's own child. Pardon and release all men previously convicted of this faux crime.
16. End government interference with fathers who live other countries and stop government support of the international smuggling of children to take them away from their fathers. Fathers have a fundamental right to live in their own country and to raise their children according to the customs and religion of their homeland.
17. Recognize that a man's responsibility to his child is to support a child by providing food at his dinner table, a place to sleep in his home, clothing, education, and generally for the child's needs. Fathers take responsibility for the child. No man ought to be required by divorce or custody law to do more than to support his child.
18. End the social slavery of men masquerading as the failed feminist social experiment called "absentee child support." It is a form of slavery of men not related to supporting children. Sending money to pay a woman for breaking up a family is not supporting a child.
19. End debtor's prisons and other punitive measures against men for not supporting women.
20. Recognize women's full co-equal right and responsibility for the support of themselves and their children. If a child is not being supported the mother is fully as responsible as the man.
21. Adopt laws that recognize and protect men's equal rights to family planning and all other decisions affecting our future children, including decisions about abortion, abandonment and adoption of our children.
22. Provide constructive and effective Rites of Passage for men. Honor and bless young men coming into manhood. Acknowledge and appreciate older men as they become elders, sages, mentors or wise men.
23. Fully and equally fund research into birth control pills and other options for men. Recognize the co-equal needs of men for family planning options. End the almost total discrimination against men in research and development of family planning options that has persisted over the past century.
Protecting the rights of MEN in health care.
24. Develop and provide health care for men in a manner appropriate for men. The current medical process, waiting rooms, subjugation, etc., has been shown to be psychologically appropriate for women but unsuitable and inappropriate for men. Lack of appropriate medical process and treatment significantly contributes to the shorter lives of men. Men now receive only about 25% of health care in the United States.
25. Ensure that mental health services appropriate for men are widely available. Men now receive only about 5% of all mental health service, none of which is designed for men. The lack of availability of appropriate mental health service greatly contributes to the staggering loss of men's lives by suicide.
26. Eliminate discrimination by government, courts, and other agencies against men who receive emotional or mental health treatment.
27. Address the huge loss of life of young men by suicide by providing appropriate psychological research, counseling, self esteem enhancement, improvement of life options, and other programs.
Protect the rights of HUSBANDS and families.
28. Where domestic violence (DV) shelters remain, provide equally funded domestic violence (DV) shelters and services for battered men, and ensure that men are no more likely to be accused and arrested for DV than women.
29. Provide shelters and programs to protect abused boys funded and staffed proportionally to the significantly greater number of boys currently subjected to abuse in the female headed single parent households.
30. End sexist propaganda about DV. All DV awareness programs must show as many men victims as female victims, and as many female batterers as men batterers. End police or court interference with a husband's legitimate control of his family and household.
31. End the "child protection" services that assume men to be villains if anyone suspects child abuse. A home with a father is statistically the safest place for a child. End government oversight of a father's legitimate administration of his family.
32. Stop the actions of so called Child Protective Services when they attack fathers and separate families without compelling interest such as criminal conviction for child abuse. End punitive administrative decisions against men for administering discipline to unruly children. A father's guidance is almost always better for the children than the badly misandrist decisions now being rendered by badly misandrist CPS officials.
33. End the many financial incentives that reward woman for breaking up families and divorcing husbands. End unearned claims on the husband's property. Stop alimony, child support, and other forms of indentured servitude of men. Stop government programs that benefit and pay divorced women with children. Make all government programs for children equally available to fathers with children. End tax penalties for marriage and government payments for divorce.
34. Stop emotionally rewarding women who destroy families. Establish that a wife who leaves her husband has no right to break up the family and take the children from their home. Require that the parent who leaves a family or breaks it up by filing for divorce must be legally presumed to leave behind the family home and the children.
35. Recognize that when an adulterous wife bears the bastard child of another man she has broken her former marriage and formed another marriage. When a husband finds out through DNA testing or otherwise that his wife's child is not his, he may declare the marriage ended by the wife's adultery. In this event he should retain full custody of his children and ownership of all of the community property including rings, jewelry, or other gifts that she was given as his wife. An adulteress with a bastard child should be able to take only her clothing, toiletries, and her bastard(s).
36. Fully investigate wives and mothers whose husband or child dies of unknown causes such as heart failure, chronic illness, SIDS, or other symptoms which could mask poison or suffocation. Routinely require autopsies that screen for common and uncommon poisons or drug overdoses. Dead men and boys deserve equal protection under the law.
Protect rights of MEN in normal men's sexual behavior.
37. End the criminalization of normal men's sexual behavior. Repeal all laws making men's sexuality, exposure, penetration, etc., into a criminal act unless there is demonstrable physical harm to a victim. Release and pardon all men who have been arrested for "statutory rape," "date rape," "spousal rape," "pornography," "soliciting a prostitute," and other weasel worded versions thereof. A woman's hurt feelings do not turn a man into a criminal.
38. Repeal laws prohibiting men from obtaining commercial sexual services from women who choose of their own free will to work in the sex industry. Such prohibitive laws serve to sexually control men by limiting men's access to sex and preventing open competition with wives' monopoly. Promulgate OSHA guidelines for the health and safety of sex workers.
Protect the Rights of MEN in the government.
39. Pass an Equal Rights Amendment that guarantees equal rights for men in all government laws and programs.
40. Require all government agencies, which now have special departments for women to also have a similar and equally funded department for men.
41. Repeal laws prohibiting men from obtaining recreational drugs and other "controlled substances." These laws create crime for the purpose of fighting it. They make millions of men into criminals and breed widespread disrespect for law and order. The prohibition of drugs supports and makes possible massive crime statistics and is responsible for fully half of all crime in the US. Pardon and release all men currently imprisoned for "drug related" crimes.
Protect the rights of MEN to equal educational opportunity.
42. Eliminate systematic anti-men sexist and anti-white racist bias in college admissions criteria that is now widely prevalent in many state and private colleges and universities.
43. Equally enforce Title IX of the Civil Rights Act wherever men are discriminated against in education. End the half-century of flagrant discrimination against men by the Department of Education.
44. Restore men's colleges and schools that have been systematically eliminated in the name of "equality" while women's colleges and schools are still supported by tax paid budgets, programs, grants or scholarships.
45. Require all tax supported schools, colleges and universities that have departments called "women's studies," "gender studies" or similar euphemisms to also equally fund, staff, and support departments of "Men's Studies." Limit "women studies" and "gender studies" classes to no more than the number of classes and sections offered on "men's studies". Limit "black studies" or "hispanic studies," classes to no more than the number of classes and sections offered on "white studies."
46. Require that English, Philosophy, and other college departments which research, publish or teach "Feminist Theory" or "Gender Theory" also equally fund, research, teach, and publish "Masculinist Theory." Eliminate public funding for academic participation in the Modern Language Association or the College Composition and Communications Conference unless masculinist theories and research is equally supported in seminars and papers presented or published.
47. Require tax-funded libraries, schools, colleges and universities to purchase a number of books on men and men's issues equal to those they purchase on women and women's issues, and to maintain in their collection equal numbers of books on men and men's issues.
48. Eliminate speech codes and "harassment" codes currently used to oppress, subjugate, and silence men, students and professors, on college campuses. Ensure that the First Amendment rights to freedom of speech are not abridged.
49. Eliminate discriminatory college and university programs such as "multicultural centers," "women's centers" and others that do not include men, white men, or straight men as equal recipients of government funded programs.
50. Eliminate ongoing "orientation" programs aimed at forcing college students and employees to adopt racist and sexist beliefs and thoughts prejudicial to men and particularly white men under the guise of "diversity."
51. Ensure that men and particularly white men receive an equal share of scholarships, grants, student loans, and other financial aid that is now disproportionately available and provided on a racist and sexist basis.
Protect the rights of MEN at work.
52. End a half-century of flagrant discrimination against men by the DOL-EEOC and require this agency to show that they support the rights of men, including white men, at work with equal funding and effort.
53. End anti-men discrimination and anti-white men discrimination under so called "Affirmative Action" laws.
54. End the hostile work environments for men created by so-called "sexual harassment" laws. Acknowledge the fundamental rights of free speech and social contacts among adults in work as well as other social situations.
55. Initiate large efforts to reduce the disproportionate number of men killed at work, which now are over 90% of all work-related deaths. Ensure that women also work at the "at-risk" jobs by requiring employers to reassign or rotate workers between safe and more hazardous, harder, or more dirty jobs. Any company or govt. agency reporting to OSHA with a majority of one sex working at normally more risky occupations or reporting occupational injuries mostly to men should pay very large fines to its men workers for sexual discrimination against men.
Protect the rights of MEN in the media.
56. Balance women and men as murder victims, body count, and villains in movies and TV. Current badly disproportional display of men in negative media roles teaches prejudice against men.
57. Balance reporting of crime to eliminate the current over reporting of crimes committed by men and under reporting of crimes committed by women.
58. Allow discrimination lawsuits and punitive settlements for biased media coverage. Numerical unbalance by the media is de facto evidence of discrimination sufficient to prove discrimination and justify punitive class action damage awards.
Protect the rights of MEN to fair and equal justice under the law.
59. Restore equal justice. The current 25-1 discrepancy in prison population is due almost entirely to unfair laws and prosecution that criminalize men and allow women to be free. The real crime of most men in prison is merely being men. Justice tried before a biased court system is not justice at all. No man can get a fair trial in today's biased system. End prosecution of any man for any crime until fair and impartial justice is restored. It is not a crime to be born a man.
60. Reform the police and injustice system to end discrimination against men in police interrogation, citation, arrests, prosecution, plea bargaining, conviction, sentencing, prison time, prison conditions and parole. No man receives a fair trial under today's badly misandrist system. Stop all arrest and prosecution of men under a badly unfair and prejudice system. Pardon and release all men who have been convicted or imprisoned by the sexually biased injustice system.
61. End prosecution entirely for those crimes that are enforced primarily against men, and repeal unfair laws that apply or are applied to men only or primarily.
62. Equally prosecute and sentence both the women and the men where a woman and man perpetrated the crime as partners. End systematic plea bargaining and witness exclusion now used to exempt women who are partners in crime.
63. End special sexist legal defenses that now apply to women but not to men. Examples include the fictitious "battered wife" defense that excuses the murder of men.
64. End so called "rape shield" laws that take away the fundamental and constitutional right of American citizens to confront and question witnesses against them in a court of law.
65. End the so-called "sexual offender" reporting lists, which serve primarily as hate propaganda against men. They constitute cruel and unusual punishment and have no demonstrated value in deterring any future crime. Sex crimes have lower recidivism rates than other crimes. These lists and the life long publication of the names of men are unmitigated misandry.
66. End over prosecution and over punishment of men for minor offenses. Hate motivated accusations of crime made against men with no or minimal showing of physical injury to personas or property shall be no more than misdemeanors. A woman's hurt feelings do not justify the prosecution of a man for a major crime.
67. End current oppression of men by taking away a man's rights as a citizen when a woman maliciously accuses him of DV, child abuse or for other sham charges. Restore the civil rights of men previously accused or convicted in biased courts and of misandrist crimes such as those listed herein. A woman's misandry does not repeal a man's civil and constitutional rights.
68. Recognize that falsely accusing a man of crime is as much of an offense as the crime for which the man is falsely accused. Sentence anyone making a false accusation against a man in a court of law, and who fails to prove their accusation, to the penalty that the accused would have received had he been found guilty of the accusation. Include accusing witnesses and state paid attorneys. A verdict of "not guilty" for the accused is a final "guilty" verdict of "false accusation" for the accuser.
69. End prosecution of men for police accusations of minor infractions of law unless the accuser shows injury or endangerment to a particular person. For example, minor speeding on a vacant highway that endangers nobody is not a crime and should not be prosecuted. If there is no injury there is no crime, and no man ought to be punished. A man talking in the woods with no woman around is not wrong.
70. End the long-standing police practice of letting women go with a warning or ignoring their violations or crimes entirely while arresting or citing men for the same violations. Driving, walking, or living while a man is not a crime.
71. Require periodic published reports giving statistics of actions taken against men compared with police, or criminal prosecutor or court actions taken against women. Dismiss police reports, interrogation, citations and arrests of men in excess of those for women during any reporting period.
72. Summarily dismiss Police Chiefs, Police Commissioners, Judges, Prosecuting Attorneys and other elected and appointed government officials for malfeasance of duty if annual report statistics show a gender unbalance of arrests and/or prosecutions greater than 10%.
Protecting the rights of MEN in life
73. Respect men's privacy and feelings in dressing rooms, locker rooms, and toilet areas where such are provided to women in similar circumstances. Women's choice of restrictive or inconvenient clothing is not an excuse to minimize men's facilities or to allow women to violate men's privacy.
74. Provide adequate plumbing facilities for men in homes. Revise architectural standards and building codes to include men's plumbing needs. Today's standard residential bathtubs, for example, are not large enough to be used by most men. No urinal for men is currently provided in most homes.
75. End laws criminalizing men for public urination on rural roadsides and other suitable places. Normal men's body functions are neither obscene nor offensive.
76. End unequal laws currently allowing female reporters in men's sports team locker rooms but not men reporters in women's sports team locker rooms.
77. End unequal laws, codes and architectural standards requiring more plentiful and better-furnished toilet rooms for women than men in public buildings. Provide public facilities for men equal to those provided for women.
78. Initiate programs and research to improve men's health care, lower stress, reduce hazards, end violence, and all other ways that men are culturally mistreated until men regain equal longevity. The current imbalance in life expectancy of men is a direct reflection of the sum of all the ways that the culture discriminates against men.
79. Lower men's currently disproportional share of Social Security taxes to be proportional with the expected benefits that men receive. Men now pay 80% of social security taxes and receive 20% of benefits.
80. Lower men's currently disproportional share of life insurance, health insurance, retirement insurance, and car insurance charges. Insurance rates must be equalized to reflect fairly on the risks involved for each gender. Men now pay higher premiums for many kinds of insurance disproportionately to the insurance risks and costs involved.
81. Require equal obligation for military service. Women must be equally subject to the draft and military service, including combat, short dehumanizing haircuts, etc. The UCMJ and other regulations must be revised to eliminate rules that unfairly punish men for normal sexuality among men and female soldiers and sailors. Rules must be enacted and revised to eliminate current women's special rights to avoid combat or service by getting pregnant when military medical treatment can prevent pregnancy. Women's combat units can be created with equipment and tactics designed for women's size and strength to prevent women from becoming dependent within men's units.
82. Encourage work or employment situations that rejoin men with our families. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution men have been taken from our homes, farms and shops to work in factories apart from our families. This is an unnatural state that is inherently harmful to most men who lose contact with our children, and harmful to our children who are deprived of the company, guidance and love of their father. We demand that the society recognize and mitigate the grievous harm that industrialization has done to men and children.
83. End sexist law that currently prohibits men-only gyms, stores, clubs, etc., but permits women-only places of those kinds. Men must be permitted free association with other men in clubs, lodges, teams, and all social and fraternal venues. We demand freedoms for men to choose our friends and associates.
Source: Demands Of Men.
Second Portion of Men's Rights Objectives: Major Issues in Detail
The second portion is a shorter, more detailed list of major Men's Rights issues. Which is a partial suplement to the first portion.
1. Abolish Alimony - also known as vaginamony, paying for the past usage of a vagina. After a divorce has occured a portion of your income is forcefully taken (stolen) and given to your ex-wife.
2. Reduce the Man Bashing and Demonisation of Men in the media. Also known as misandry; the teaching of contempt for men in popular culture. For example the media usually portrays and focuses on cases of sexual predators to give the illusion as if they are almost solely men. This is false, because in reality there are also many female sexual predators.
Since a couple of decades the media in (western) countries has depicted men in general as being fools, oafs, stupid, incompetent, dorks etc. Man Bashing has become rampant nowadays.
Many shows, movies have the double standard that it’s somehow okay for a woman to hit a man, knee his crotch, but not for a man to hit a woman, knee her crotch etc.
Many young women take these shows seriously. One example a Marine and his little 100lb girlfriend told him that she thought she was just as tough as he was.
Such shows attempt to wipe out what was once the beautiful features of womankind, namely gentleness, the ability to nurture, mothering etc. They propagate the myth that Men and Women are the same.
Watch Rocky, Indiana Jones, Arnold movies, Ghostbusters, or really any big movie from the 1980's. All the women behaved like women. The men behaved like men, and it was expected.
Feminists denigrate the masculine and glorify the feminine while trying to be more like men. It's twisted. They criticize men for being violent and aggressive, and then their idea of a "strong woman" is one who beats people up.
There are very many misandric commercials. It often occurs that men and fathers are mocked and denigrated in television commercials. Fathers are portrayed in advertising as “idiots, clowns,” while “the wife is always right.” Arnold Worldwide is one of those agencies which makes anti-male commercials. The double standard: Anything bad a woman does, it's not representative of all women. Anything bad a man does, it's representative of all men. Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. Feminist ideology: “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men.” This must be mutual.
3. Violence Against Men happens too in a quite significant amount. There's not only violence against women.
Too many people are brainwashed into following the dramatic double standard "You don't hit a woman no matter what she does!" while beating up a man is "okay". It is infact NOT okay. Violence against men is JUST as wrong as violence against women!
There should be Men's Shelters and men should be protected against violence to the same full extent as women are. Violence against men is just as wrong as violence against women!
4. Men receive no help from others in achieving high-end jobs and in the interests of fairness, neither should women, lest we admit that women are less capable.
my logic goes like this: men do not receive aid in reaching the highest positions and yet occupy them in greater numbers. Women do receive aid and special scehemes must be put in place for them to achieve equal representation. Logical conclusion: women require help in order to reach these positions and are incapable of reaching them otherwise
if these positions are not achieved based on merit then the system must be changed so that the highest achievers are the ones best suited for the task
Merit should always be the sole criteria for achievment. If the game is rigged then the system is unfair and badly in need of overhaul. Any other course places our institutions in jeapardy by elevating the positions of underachievers, whatever their gender.
5. No Pussy Pass: hold women accountable for all their actions - The judicial system must punish women with the same harshness as men when they trespass the law.
There are many cases about female criminals that use the "insanity card", "psychological problems" etc as excuses to lower or undo punishment. They'll get diagnosed when they commit horrible crimes. While men in such circumstances would likely not be diagnosed, but are demonized instead. It’s no wonder that there are substantially less female criminals in jails compared to male criminals.
6. Adoption of Shared Parenting policy - in case of a divorce when both the mother and father are both good parents the father has the right to see and be with his children half of the time which is in the best interest of the children which need both parents to develop normally.
Currently the secretive Family Courts by en large give custody to mothers. Fathers only have a few days a month or less to spend with the children which usually decreases over time to none. Some statistics:
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
- 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all Gods Children.)
- 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
- 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)
Men being head of the home has absolutely nothing to do with a wife being her husband's property. It's a delegation of authority. To run anything effeiciently, you have to have a delegation of tasks and authority. Under traditional families, men are delegated as protectors and providers of their family while women are delegated the responsibility of caring for the home and children. It has nothing to do with oppression or keeping anyone down. Notice that in traditional families, there was an absence of power struggle and children were being raised at home instead of by strangers in daycares. Can you imagine anything being ran effectively where nobody had a specific task or position? Can you imagine the chaos and conflict that would ensue? If not, just take a look at modern families for a good example.
7. No Child Support. Men should not be forced to pay ex-wives child support every month, because women should not be rewarded for destroying families. Sending money to pay a woman for breaking up a family is not supporting a child.
8. Husband or Wife keeps all wealth during early divorce - Currently women who file for divorce after a short amount of time can cash in and unrightfully lay claim on a large chunk of their ex-husbands hard earned wealth. This is akin to legal theft. In other countries a woman can only gain up to half (not always half) of the husband's wealthy after 25 years of continuous marriage. This is fairer, because after the 25 years it's logicallly assumed that the wealth and posessions is used by both.
9. Open Family Courts - the secretive, insidious practices of the Family Court must be revealed to the public and therefore it has to be opened and become transparent for all people.
10. Artificial Wombs - There is a big disparity in the means of reproduction for men and women with a large advantage for women. There's no equality when there are i.e. sperm banks and IVF treatment, which requires small amount of male involvement. Whereas if men want to reproduce without a woman they have need a complete woman to incubate children. With the Artifiical womb, tube-child clinics both men and women can have offspring (Instead of only one gender capitalizing on it.) without the heavy and risky burden, genetic defects could be fixed and abortion can be avoided by bringing the child to term in a artifiical womb/uterus.
11. Mandatory DNA Tests for Children - Until recently history it has been possible to get solid proof on wether a newborn baby is genetically the offspring of the supposed father. Therefore DNA paternity tests must become a standard mandatory procedure with newborns so everybody knows 100% the parentage of children. Fathers should have a timespan of up to 3 years to do DNA tests on their child. If the child is not genetically theirs they can legally stop supporting it and terminate all obligations.
The mothers who commit paternity fraud should be punished for lying to the fake father and deceiving those men into pouring their time, energy and money into raising someone else's child and living a horrendous lie.
Babies are already blood-tested as a mandatory procedure, for a number of medical conditions. The DNA test could use the same small amount of blood as is already taken! Parents already have no choice in the matter and barely a complaint is made by the general public.
12. Undo the Feminisation of Education - The feminisation of education has increased the drop out and underperformance of a large amount of male students. There's too much listening and sitting in the bench and not enough hands on trying and experimenting in class which male students prefer = more activity and working, less listening. Abolish all feminist myths such as: women suffer the most and the women are oppressed lie along with the shaming language to shame and suppress men who have nothing to do with it.
There are differences in teaching styles that work better with boys or girls. For example girls don’t tend to mind sitting for long periods while listening to teachers who give speeches and taking notes. This is like passive learning. Students who sit and listen while barely doing, practicing things in class.
Boys are much more hands-on with learning. This means actually doing stuff in class, instead of mostly listening to lectures. Boys need to be more physically active then girls.
They experiment more, explore, rebel somewhat, seek limits, competition, leadership, excitement, need more breaks between classes, question things more frequently instead of accepting it without any suspicion.
- Gender gap grows as boys lag behind after secondary school
Girls are three times more likely to keep studying after school than to get a job, according to new figures which show boys lag far behind their female peers in extending their education.
The latest survey of school leavers conducted by the Scottish Executive found only 47% of boys who left school in 2005-06 went on to further or higher education, compared to 61% of their female classmates. In 2004-05, the gap was 15%.
- More Male Teachers
With a overwhelming and abnormal amount of women teachers in education, the students could be feminized and the children brainwashed with Feminist policies.
Women teachers control the educational system and it has sadly been transformed in favor of girls while boy-friendly education styles have gradually been dismantled. The findings which have been previously described are consequences of that.
- Many men don't want to teach due to paedophile fears The lopsided media coverage creates such suspicions among the population for male teachers in general while brushing the large amounts of incidents where female teachers sexually abuse students under the carpet.
- Stop forcing female ways and things upon boys.
You hear about this a lot these days, female things and ways forced upon boys, who go through school only ever being told to read emotional girlie-drivel or adventure books whereby the heroes are girls and the boys useless chumps or the bad guys. Then teachers act surprised (or, in the case of feminists, happy) when boys think "screw this", stop paying attention and fail.
- Lack of support for males
"Young women have lots of support, with magazines and programmes devoted to them, and boys often do not."
Dr Sewell is calling for science lessons to include more practical experiments to interest male pupils.
He said:" The girls seem more able to adapt to more theory-only learning, while boys want more action. They want to blow things up and see science in action.
Some boys are turning to gang violence as an outlet for their frustrated masculinity, he said.
Male pupils' exam results lag behind those of girls.
In 2004, 63.3% of female GCSE entries resulted in an A* to C grade, compared with 54.9% of male entries.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/5074794.stm
There has to be similar amounts of support (organizations, programmes etc) for young male students too.
13. Teach that Men and Women are Different in Education - One of the primary myths that feminist ideology is based on is the false belief that men and women are the same except their genitalia and breasts. Feminism has long upheld the myth that humans have unisex brains. This means that the brains, thought processes and such of men and women would be the same. In reality however the unisex brain is absolutely false as science has proven.
- Feminists have used the "men and women are the same" myth as a argument that women in general can do everything just as good as men can do and more importantly "want to do" if they got the chance. They blame society for not letting females pursue less-common things (which are in reality uninteresting, unappealing for most females).
This is why feminists promote the abolishment of all traditional roles and discourage females who for example prefer to be housewives instead of having a full-time job at a company, since that's not what feminists want women to do. This is unnatural, it causes much confusion, disorganization and inefficiency.
- It's easy to notice significant physical differences between men and women by simply looking at them. In all sports that empirically measure speed, strength, jumping, such as track and field or swimming, men perform better then women. This is clearly shown in Olympic data. Data from the Olympics are a form of objectivity. They are absolute numbers that show who is the best.
- Women are more prone to injuries then men, according to research carried out in the armies of the USA and UK. In 1998, the British army required male and female recruits to go through the same basic training programme. The number of women injured during this basic training programme was eight times higher than the number of men in the same program. Women were eight times more likely to be discharged because of injury than men.
- There are twice as many men as women with an IQ of 120-plus. Dr Paul Irwing is a senior lecturer in organisational psychology at Manchester University. Studies have shown that there are more intelligent men then women the further you go up.
All the research points to a gender difference in general cognitive ability. There is a mean difference of about five IQ points. The further you go up the distribution the more and more skewed it becomes. There are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, there are 30 times the number of men with an IQ of 170-plus as there are women.
- Males are more rational, females more emotional.Even though both male and females are highly intellectual and emotional beings. Females are a lot more keen to their emotions than males are. This is also called female intuition and it is something inborn which can not be improved upon by practice or experience. Males on the other hand, tend to be a lot more rational. Though lacking in this female keenness. They are able to use logic to sort things out which makes them more easy going creatures, using their heads only when necessary.
Males often also complain that females are moody, have mood swings and show irrational or erratic behavior. This is especially apparent in times of stress, emergencies or significant events where body chemicals and emotions are highly stimulated.
Because a female's behavior is affected by her emotions and her emotions are affected by her body chemistry and her body chemistry is in a state of flux from one month to the next, it can only be expected that a female would exhibit erratic behavior that is a mystery to a man whose body does not go through a constant monthly cycle of change. This behavior is genetically part of a female's body.
14. Same Requirements for Women in all fields of work. Currently requirements for various kinds of jobs are lower for women compared to men which means they can get a job more easily then men, because the standards are lower. So women should be bound to the same standards as men so you don't have less capable people doing a job they actually cannot do if the standards were the same.
15. Ministry For Men - One of the clearest and horrible examples of second class treatment is the lack of a Ministery For Men in many countries where there is a Ministry For Women. Given the long list of serious issues men also need a Ministry For Men as a representative and help for men. There's absolutely no equality when there's only a Ministry for Women (female privilege).
16. No Quotas - Abolishment of all quotas which is a means to mostly give certain positions in society to women without them having Earned it. Quotas are basically giving away positions in organizations based on for example the gender of a person. This is totally against the age old and honorable principle of giving positions in companies based how well the people perform so the best capable people earn their respect and place instead of it being handed to them cause they for example have female genitalia. A clear example of Fake Equality are Quotas. Quotas are a means to forcefully pre-define the outcome of something. Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all.
Quotas to force organizations to have a percentage of a certain type of people or gender etc.
This means a percentage of positions are handed to certain type of people who get preferential treatment, because it was forced by Quotas.
The people don’t achieve those positions in a fair manner by proving that they are the best and have the necessary skills. Quotas based on gender is also known as Gender Communism.
17. Men's Studies - In certain countries there are studies called Women's Studies, but no Men's Studies. This is another example of second class treatment of men. Therefore to make things fair there should be a Men's Studies too.
18. The Right For Men to Assemble By Themselves - men should have the right to have their own organizations and such without mandatory involvement or in other words control, monitorization of women.
19. Punish False Allegations - the person who files false allegations must be punished and the identity revealed. False allegations usually have dire consequences for the alleged: (the alleged will get arrested for being a suspect due to false charges, lose his job, reputation will be tarnished and his future destroyed). False allegations of abuse are also used for tactical advantage with divorce and restraining orders.
20. Abolish IMBRA (USA feminist law) - IMBRA deems American men abusers. IMBRA is a brute blockade making it impossible for foreign women to meet American men for marriage. In the mind of feminists any man that wants to marry a foreign national must be a closet wife beater. So it brands all men as deviants and criminals until proven otherwise.
Basically any foreign woman with an US-man, entering USA for spouse visa, has to be questioned in detail during the immigration process, how they met the first time.
VAWA (dealing with ONLY VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN, man is always guilty) and IMBRA (a part of VAWA) makes the American man, who is looking for a foreign wife, automatically a suspect. Suspecting men of searching for foreign women using introduction services with the intention to mistreat them.
This law violates the free speech of men. Men have to turn over their complete marital and criminal background to a lady they have never met, before they say hi. A man’s name would be run through a Public Sexual Register Website before it’s allowed to contact a lady. You are forced to tell a lady which you have never met how many children you have and their ages. You have to tell a foreign national every State you have lived in since the age of 18 etc. This is IMBRA.
21. Stop the Systematic Emasculation Of Men
22. Close the Health Funding And Research Disparities - There are large disparities in health funding and research for men and women in western countries, which is another example of second class treatment of men. For example: The UK government spends Ł4.2 million a year on prostate cancer research. While it does not disclose how much is spent every year on breast cancer, the figure is estimated to be at least Ł12 million.” Men Lose Out in Battle For Cancer Cash. Templeton, S. (2005) Medical Correspondent
(original source: xhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article579050.ece)
This means there's a total spending disparity by government and leading charity of 27.1 million pounds MORE for breast cancer compared to prostate cancer. The government’s share in this disparity is approximately 7.8 million pounds extra spending on breast cancer.
- NHS ‘fund bias’ against men may cost 2,500 lives a year
- DOCTORS have identified a “funding bias” against men within the National Health Service that they believe is costing at least 2,500 lives a year. (Original source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,20...660077,00.html)
- 'I am denied wonder bone drug because I'm a man'
A retired doctor crippled by the brittle bone disease osteoporosis has been denied a life-changing drug on the NHS - because he's a man. (Original source: xhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...id=1770&in_ page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments)
23. Restore Marriage - Many women just become dissatisfied and that's grounds for divorce. No honoring commitment, no nothing. It all depends on how they feel and the thing is every marriage i'm sure eventually loses its luster at some point. The only difference is people in the old days at least tried to work through it but not in today's day and age. Men pay a too high price with divorces (usually lose children, large chunk of monthly income goes to ex-wife, half of hard earned possessions is legally stolen by ex etc). For all what you do for wife and children, you might end up alone and get a 'reward' in form of a divorce and the obligation to pay alimony and childsupport up to the end of your life. Divorce is a Cash Machine for the Legal Industry. Divorce Lawyers Do Not Care One Iota About You! They are in this business to make money not to help you win your divorce and get custody of your kids.
24. Squeeze Feminism out of Law Society Feminism in Law Society is responsible for many draconian laws like false rape charges, divorce clogging family courts, corrupt marriage terms, custody battles, paternity suits, female biased legal system. Therefore to improve the overall situation feminism has to be squeezed out of Law Society.
25. Equal Influence by Fathers Procreation It takes a man and a woman to produce a child therefore both parties should have equal influence on the outcome. Where to draw the line? Abortion in the West does not require parental consent or a husband's approval, thus giving unrestricted license to women to kill off the next generation of society, this is paramount to threatening national security, since if depopulation of the original ethnicity occurs - the culture goes with it. Therefore, we should include an aspect that women are:
A. Required to have parental consent when under the legal age of consent for an abortion.
B. Required to have a husband's approval if married for an abortion.
C. Single unmarried women at legal age of consent are not required to have such.
Men should have the right to relinquish the rights and responsiblities of parenthood just as a woman has the opportunity to end her potential parenthood through abortion.
Besides this there should be equal access to birth control. The male pill!
26. End the Female-First Ideology, Chivalry: Female First ideology is the phenomenon of letting a woman go first solely because they are women (have tits and a vagina), be her pack mule, put your life on the line to protect her while she has never Earned such high loyalty. In the past women did other things to compensate by playing their part, but they don't anymore.
Letting elderly or higher ranked people go first is understandable, because they have earned it.
However letting people go first based on their gender, ethnicity etc.is preferential treatment without them doing jackshit to deserve it. It's not fair to give women things just for being women. Female-first ideology is the polar opposite of equal treatment.
For example, when a girl asks for school-related help, I'll often say "It's the age of equality, do it yourself!" Because, if a girl wants special treatment for being a girl, she shouldn't be demanding equality at the same time, one or the other.
Chivalry is a dead duck. It dropped dead in mediaeval times. It went out with the ark. It was a form of exaggerated courtesy dispensed by the knights of yore to men and women of 'noble birth'. (If you thought it was just a woman thing then you've been watching too many Hollywood movies!)
Now if you're talking about common courtesy and respect then that's a different matter entirely. Those things we need more of and we need to realize that they are two-way streets. Men and women both are equally deserving of courtesy and respect. Unfortunately, whilst feminists demand these things for themselves they cannot see that they themselves need to give respect to men.
27. The Workplace: when mothers take leave they should not be paid while they are not working and if other people do their work they should be paid extra if it involves overtime.
28. Sports: with i.e. tennis if men play a match extra that means they do more work so they should get paid more.Last edited by Tyrael; 26th-January-2009 at 01:53 PM.
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- 5th-January-2008 #2
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Of course you don't like it, you're a woman, and you don't like the fact that it means that women won't have a monopoly on reproduction anymore.
As for me, I think that it will help our cause immesurably.
In fact it should be higher on the list in my opinion than #10. Because it means that men can have children on their own, which means no more child support racket. And it also means no more abortion (that will really tick feminazis off). And it is a very good thing in and of itself. So it solves three problems in one.
- 5th-January-2008 #3
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Tyrael
Your list is a good start (by the way, what happened to objective 4? Too extreme for our innocent eyes?), but I would make some changes. The basic point is to set specific, concrete, measurable objectives, not vague woolly ones. So objectives 1, 5, 6, 7 for example are fine, but 2. 3 and 12 are simply not specific enough.
So I would set targets, like "completely eliminate the life expectancy gap between men and women by the year 2018" or "investment in male-specific cancer research and treatment to be equalised with investment in female-specific cancer research and treatment by the year 2010" or "the examination performance of boys to be equalised with the examination performance of girls by the year 2013" and so on.
This sets targets and deadlines that nobody can mistake or claim to have been achieved when they haven't been. It also makes it very hard for anyone to claim the objectives are unfair - how can anyone oppose what is so clearly a drive for equality between the sexes? After all, is that not we are all supposed to be committed to? It would certainly shake out and expose those who don't believe in equality. Also it focuses on the current inequalities - everyone will be reminded that right now, men and boys are being actively discriminated against in key areas of our lives. Areas like life and death, health, education, and others that some of us believe are actually of some little importance.
Those that claim that men have all the privileges, will not have a leg to stand on when we throw this list in their faces.
To sidetrack for a moment here, certainly one of my favourite ripostes to manginas who claim that men have all the privileges, is to tell them that they are going to die five or six years earlier than they should do, simply because they are male. And I have the statistics to prove it.
I also like to wish them, with full sincerity, a life of health, wealth and happiness, with a grand house, a shiny new car in the garage, money in the bank, a beautiful wife and laughing children running round the yard in the summer sunshine, surrounded by flowers blooming and birds singing. Then I wish, with equal sincerity (oh yes indeed), that their wife decides she doesn't want to play happy families any more and slaps divorce papers on them; and at the same time, a plausible and practised female liar with whom they have had some inadvertent and totally innocent contact, decides to lay a false claim of rape on them.
This is my most fervent wish for such people. Because sometimes the only way to shake those cretins out of their blind complacency is to force them into experiencing just how cruel and inhuman are the forces of misandry at work in the murky depths of our societies.
- 5th-January-2008 #4
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
I do not believe women should have any kind of monopoly on reproduction, please don't attribute me with sentiments I don't hold. I don't particularly like it because I'm against children being intentionally raised in single parent homes. Incidentally, I'm also against single women going to sperm banks and getting impregnated. Call me old-fashioned but I don't think anyone, male or female, should be bringing a child into this world without the unwavering conviction that the child will have the benefit of both a mother and father in his/her life.Of course you don't like it, you're a woman, and you don't like the fact that it means that women won't have a monopoly on reproduction anymore."Every noble impulse, every unselfish expression of love; every brave suffering for the right; every surrender of self to something higher than self; every loyalty to an ideal; every unselfish devotion to principle; every helpfulness to humanity; every act of self-control; every fine courage of the soul, undefeated by pretense or policy, but by being, doing, and living of good for the very good’s sake—that is spirituality." -David O. McKay
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
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- 6th-January-2008 #5
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Artificial wombs is a dreadful idea. Not an MRA one. What a horror.
I agree with Kim.
Nature has the ONLY legitimate way of making babies. All else is narcissism to one degree or another.I don't think we can systematically destroy the natural order of things and not see consequences from it
Kim's other points are all valid and reasonable.
Most of Tyrael's 17 'objectives' are reasonable. I would make 11 mandatory, not optional. DNA testing for children is logical, reasonable, easy and fair. It gets rid of a huge area of fraud and provides parents with equal surety of parenthood realization and knowledge, and provided for children's health predictability.
This is insulting and offensive, as well as wrong and irrelevant. I don't like it either and I am a man and an MRA. I am not sure about you on either score.Of course you don't like it, you're a womanLast edited by Percy; 6th-January-2008 at 05:15 AM.
Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
(St. Augustine)
“ For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
(and within ourselves)
(Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
(Me)
- 7th-January-2008 #6
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Yeah sorry I didn't number a objective with 4. I'll try to make the objectives more concrete, specific with dates if possible.
So two mothers instead of a father and mother is okay then? If yes so is two fathers.
As long as women have a spermbank, IVF and so on at their disposal to supplement what they lack in the reproductive department; Men should in equal terms also have supplements = artificial wombs and what not, and let me repeat this biotechnology is useful for both men and women not only one gender, at their disposal to supplement the things that men lack in the reproductive field.
Of course best would be to abolish all these artificial things, but I don't see that happening unless high civilization crumbles and we return to a more primitive technological level or when humans become extinct.
Mandatory would be best, but isn't choice the spice of life? How can parents be forced to have DNA tests performed on their children? It would be a standard procedure when it's mandatory though and seen as critical information after a while.
If anyone has more objectives to add, refined descriptions, please let me know.Last edited by Tyrael; 7th-January-2008 at 01:32 PM.
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~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~
~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~
~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~
~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~
~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~
~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~
- 7th-January-2008 #7
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Of course it isn't. Which is why I said, "I don't think anyone, male or female, should be bringing a child into this world without the unwavering conviction that the child will have the benefit of both a mother and father in his/her life. "So two mothers instead of a father and mother is okay then? If yes so is two fathers.
It's definitely a fair turn about and I already said that it would do much to even things up reproductively. However, we're just beginning to appreciate the damage women have done to children by making them part of their little social experiment on how children don't need fathers. I just don't see the benefit of expanding the experiment. Regardless of the reasons for doing it, mankind will still have to pay for it's errors. As I said before, you can only mess so much with the natural order of things without seeing consequences. We're already seeing the consequences of children being raised without fathers, do we really want to compound that damage? And, how fair is it to the children who are caught up in the middle of it all?As long as women have a spermbank, IVF and so on at their disposal to supplement what they lack in the reproductive department; Men should in equal terms also have supplements = artificial wombs and what not, and let me repeat this biotechnology is useful for both men and women not only one gender, at their disposal to supplement the things that men lack in the reproductive field.
One of my personal mottos is that people have the right to do what they choose as long as their rights don't interfere with the rights of others. I don't have the right to bring a child into this world without the benefit of a father because that would be taking away my child's rights to have a father in his/her life. Regardless of what ridiculous rights society has provided me with, morally, I don't have the right to do such a thing."Every noble impulse, every unselfish expression of love; every brave suffering for the right; every surrender of self to something higher than self; every loyalty to an ideal; every unselfish devotion to principle; every helpfulness to humanity; every act of self-control; every fine courage of the soul, undefeated by pretense or policy, but by being, doing, and living of good for the very good’s sake—that is spirituality." -David O. McKay
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
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- 9th-January-2008 #8
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
I've updated it. The descriptions of the objectives are longer now then before due to added examples and explanations. I hope that is okay.
If anyone has tips on how to add like concrete dates on when to achieve certain things please let me know.
I don't have a short description on the Emasculisation of Men issue yet.
This stuff is pretty good xhttp://home.comcast.net/~demands-of-men/ I may use that and add some of the stuff I had already written.Last edited by Tyrael; 9th-January-2008 at 10:16 AM.
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~ Feminism = Every bad thing any man has ever committed highlighted and exaggerated; every bit of good systematically undermined, vilified or ignored. ~
~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~
~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~
~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~
~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~
~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~
~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~
- 9th-January-2008 #9
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Another fantasy scenario list of completely unreal nonsense that I presume is to be proffered to our state representatives and they are supposed to magically provide..
You want artificial wombs?
Go out and make one then, no one is stopping you!!
- 9th-January-2008 #10
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
That's your opinion. You can also wait for the western civilization to crash and rebuild (hoping that the draconic feminist policies disappear), but this implosion won't be pretty to say the least.
Sooner or later, after such a catastrophic event, it will probably eventually once again get to this point where we are currently at, unless feminism has been defeated prior to implosion or it has to be redone.Last edited by Tyrael; 9th-January-2008 at 08:11 PM.
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~ Fathers & FamiliesTM improves the lives of children and strengthens society by protecting the child’s right to the love and care of both parents after separation or divorce. ~
~ Feminism = Every bad thing any man has ever committed highlighted and exaggerated; every bit of good systematically undermined, vilified or ignored. ~
~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~
~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~
~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~
~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~
~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~
~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~
- 9th-January-2008 #11
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
I dont think feminism is remotely the problem.. The biggest problem is mans (and I use that term collectively to describe both genders) prefference to off-loading his responsibilities as much as possible onto his parents, then in later life, the entity known as the state..
Most of the problems we see, and shown here, are eminently avoidable by those who choose their routes through life wisely..
Some of the issues are just, impossible.. Such as "ending male bashing"..
Come on now...
- 9th-January-2008 #12
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
There is no organisation known as the "mens rights movement". I suggest that this list is clearly your own idea as to what they should be..
Hmm! well, since you asked nicely sir...It is currently a rough outline. I'll improve and refine it in the near future. If you have any comments or suggestions please reply.
By the state. Its a law brought in by the state and operated by the state.. The state is therefore to blame for this nonsensical law..1. Abolish Alimony - also known as vaginamony, paying for the past usage of a vagina. After a divorce has occured a portion of your income is forcefully taken (stolen) and given to your ex-wife.
You'll never stop this, nor should we attempt to.. Its as silly as the feminists ideas..2. Stop the Man Bashing and Demonisation of Men in the media. For example the media usually portrays and focuses on cases of sexual predators to give the illusion as if they are almost solely men. This is false, because in reality there are also many female sexual predators.
Since a couple of decades the media in (western) countries has depicted men in general as being fools, oafs, stupid, incompetent, dorks etc. Man Bashing has become rampant nowadays.
Many shows, movies have the double standard that it’s somehow okay for a woman to hit a man, knee his crotch, but not for a man to hit a woman, knee her crotch etc.
Many young women take these shows seriously. One example a Marine and his little 100lb girlfriend told him that she thought she was just as tough as he was.
Such shows attempt to wipe out what was once the beautiful features of womankind, namely gentleness, the ability to nurture, mothering etc. They propagate the myth that Men and Women are the same.
Watch Rocky, Indiana Jones, Arnold movies, Ghostbusters, or really any big movie from the 1980's. All the women behaved like women. The men behaved like men, and it was expected.
Feminists denigrate the masculine and glorify the feminine while trying to be more like men. It's twisted. They criticize men for being violent and aggressive, and then their idea of a "strong woman" is one who beats people up.
There are very many misandric commercials. It often occurs that men and fathers are mocked and denigrated in television commercials. Fathers are portrayed in advertising as “idiots, clowns,” while “the wife is always right.” Arnold Worldwide is one of those agencies which makes anti-male commercials.
In the same way as the feminists try and stop "women acting like women", looks like the MRM is campaigning to stop men acting like men.. And to turn them into whiney little bitches who cry to nanny for "equality" and who think the world can exist in a humourless vaccuum..
More whiney nonsense.. Folk should stay away from violent folk, why the hell will getting the state involved in peoples idiotic dumb relationship choices make them more responsible? All evidence has shown clearly that it makes them LESS responsible..3. Violence Against Men happens too in a quite significant amount. There's not only violence against women.
Too many people are brainwashed into following the dramatic double standard "You don't hit a woman no matter what she does!" while beating up a man is "okay". It is infact NOT okay. Violence against men is JUST as wrong as violence against women!
There should be Men's Shelters and men should be protected against violence to the same full extent as women are. Violence against men is just as wrong as violence against women!
4. No Pussy Pass: hold women accountable for all their actions - The judicial system must punish women with the same harshness as men when they trespass the law.
There are many cases about female criminals that use the "insanity card", "psychological problems" etc as excuses to lower or undo punishment. They'll get diagnosed when they commit horrible crimes. While men in such circumstances would likely not be diagnosed, but are demonized instead. It’s no wonder that there are substantially less female criminals in jails compared to male criminals.
Right, so, lets build more jails and lock up women?
I prefer women to be free, that way, we can shag them.. They are no use locked away where only the Cell Block H dykes and get them?
The arguments presented are shallow..
What is the purpose of jail anyway? Why should ANY human suffer it? And if you think a psychiatric label is an easy opt-out, well, try taking the medications!
5. Adoption of Shared Parenting policy - in case of a divorce when both the mother and father are both good parents the father has the right to see and be with his children half of the time which is in the best interest of the children which need both parents to develop normally.
Currently the secretive Family Courts by en large give custody to mothers. Fathers only have a few days a month or less to spend with the children which usually decreases over time to none. Some statistics:
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
- 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all Gods Children.)
- 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
- 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)
Shared parenting has to be decided by someone. Seems you think the state should have the final say in this. I say it should be the father, as would be the case usually where the state to back out!!
More nonsensical fantasising, there is no such figure as a "reasonable amount" especially not one that the state can decide..
6. Limited and Tracked Child Support payments - Child Support currently varies depending on the income. This should be limited to a reasonable amount so no high figures even though the Child Support Payer may be wealthy. It should also be tracked so it is not spend on things that it's not meant to be spend on.
Scrap the whole concept of child support as it is pure theft..
A decent parent supports his/her klids as her/she sees fit, and deals with the other parent well..
Other parents.. well, they lose..!!
Remove the state from all dealings, re marraige, divorce, etc..
7. Husband or Wife keeps all wealth during early divorce - Currently women who file for divorce after a short amount of time can cash in and unrightfully lay claim on a large chunk of their ex-husbands hard earned wealth. This is akin to legal theft. In other countries a woman can only gain up to half (not always half) of the husband's wealthy after 25 years of continuous marriage. This is fairer, because after the 25 years it's logicallly assumed that the wealth and posessions is used by both.
The rest of the demands suffers from the usual misconceptions and niavety..
You seem to want "equal outcomes" where women have the current natural advantage (such as child raising)..
Yet, you dont like "quotas".. (when they mean women get advantages..)
But, you do like them when it means men willk get advantages..
Cherry picking, MRM style..
Just the same as that previously done by the feminists.. But for men.. (or should it be more accurate, Male Feminists!!)
- 9th-January-2008 #13
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Right, I'll change the Stop Male Bashing to Reduce Male Bashing to Reasonable Amounts. However I cannot edit the first post of this thread cause I get the 30 seconds time out.
~ Support Fathers & Families for Father's Rights and Equal Parenting! Go to fathersandfamilies.org ~
~ Fathers & FamiliesTM improves the lives of children and strengthens society by protecting the child’s right to the love and care of both parents after separation or divorce. ~
~ Feminism = Every bad thing any man has ever committed highlighted and exaggerated; every bit of good systematically undermined, vilified or ignored. ~
~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~
~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~
~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~
~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~
~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~
~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~
- 9th-January-2008 #14
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Modify it as you wish, such approaches are valid if one truly believes the state has a valid role..
I see the points etc, but do not believe the state can actually produce anything like what is promised, for men, or women..
Thats my approach has become more anti-state the more I realise that the state is a "poor parent" and cannot solve issues that are best dealt with by those immediately in the vicinity.. Family, local community etc..
- 9th-January-2008 #15
Re: Men's Rights Objectives
Some of your suggestions are good Drex, but your negativity, pessimism which I have often dealt with at this place is tiresome.
I'm not nitpicky by the way. I'll improve it when I can, cause now the site responds too slow.Last edited by Tyrael; 9th-January-2008 at 11:24 PM.
~ Support Fathers & Families for Father's Rights and Equal Parenting! Go to fathersandfamilies.org ~
~ Fathers & FamiliesTM improves the lives of children and strengthens society by protecting the child’s right to the love and care of both parents after separation or divorce. ~
~ Feminism = Every bad thing any man has ever committed highlighted and exaggerated; every bit of good systematically undermined, vilified or ignored. ~
~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~
~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~
~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~
~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~
~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~
~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~
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