Thread: What is stopping the mens movement from making significant gains?

Quote from Percy

I get things wrong sometimes Senach. I am not perfect and do not claim to be. I call the shots as I see them, and sometimes I squint. I get terse and tired of time wasters and people who bring things on their own heads.

People come and go as they please and if 'Duped' didn't like me he could simply ignore me. Most do.

As you could.

Blame me for his choice if you will. You sound just like a feminist.

What do you want from me?

aye.. I dont bother with threads like that personally..

I think you are missing out on one of the features of the MRM that seems to be prevalent these days..

Have you not learned that the MRM operates the "young male pass" these days to young male victims of feminist mindfucking?

Give the lads the benefit of the doubt.. Before you jump on them..

It has been noted how you give the benefit of the doubt to some very dubious claims by single mothers you hold in high regard..

Dont we all "bring things on our own heads"?

What demographic are REALLY more important to the future of the mens movement, single mothers or young males? (both of whom seem heavily infected with feminist ideas, but in different ways!)

I am not having a go at you Percy, because i personally dont see the problem with bollocking young men when you feel it is appropriate, but I have heard it said many times that you do this a lot, lecturing the young knobbers and whiners..

They cant take it these days, poor little mamas darlings!!

Probably because they have been raised by the likes of what many misguided MRA's give the pussy pass to and seem to prefer having in the movement..

Haahoo, how is a "pussy pass" and a "young male pass" any different, really? You despise one, but endorse the other? To me, that doesn't seem to make much sense.

Percy may admonish, and sometimes he may come across harshly...but unlike some others who just let reckless bullets fly, Percy constructs his responses to others with care. He is motivated by love. It may be hard for some to see that. It is not hard for me to see it. He is like a father to men in this forum.....and you know the saying...."spare the rod, spoil the child." Percy spares no one, but loves all.

Quote from TERA

Haahoo, how is a "pussy pass" and a "young male pass" any different, really? You despise one, but endorse the other? To me, that doesn't seem to make much sense.

Percy may admonish, and sometimes he may come across harshly...but unlike some others who just let reckless bullets fly, Percy constructs his responses to others with care. He is motivated by love. It may be hard for some to see that. It is not hard for me to see it. He is like a father to men in this forum.....and you know the saying...."spare the rod, spoil the child." Percy spares no one, but loves all.

I think what Haahoo is trying to say is that some people that claim to identify with the MRM give women the benefit of a doubt that they don't give to young men when young men are more essential to the MRM than women are. The young men that these MRM people don't give the benefit of the doubt have a higher invested interest in the MRM than women do, whether or not they know it. It does make sense in the context that haahoo laid it out in and I'm sure there's an asylum inmate far away that will agree with me, so I know I'm probably right.


I don't understand how someone can identify as a MRA or MRM person and then give the benefit of a doubt to dubious claims made by women while simultaneously withholding the benefit of a doubt from males no matter how legitimate their claims may be. This sounds like an oxymoron of some sort.


I don't know if you've watched Maury lately but in the case of 23 year old Popadibs the test turned out the results that Percy is not the father. You say "spare the rod, spoil the child" but these aren't children within this forum, they are most likely adults and should be treated that way but if you feel this way then it is no wonder that so many women are so spoiled. I guess when "spare the rod, spoil the child" applies to women those are actually intructions to spare the rod and spoil her.

Quote from outdoors

angry harry has just convinced me that the mrm is a total waste of time and energy----time to move on.....i am getting out of the mrm and am gonna put my-self first for once--i have said it before and i will say it again---men deserve everything they get-spineless bunch,the whole lot of them--they don't need,want or deserve anyone sticking their neck out for them anymore and ah has just sealed it for me.

See ya all later,but i doubt it.


Good luck fighting for nothing......maybe some of u will also realize what a complete waste of time the whole mrm really is,and you can still get some of your life back.

I am going to fuck the first money hungry slut princess i see--because i just don't care anymore.....


Gone to delete some accounts.

what the ##$$%$@@%

Thank you Tera.

I do deserve my whacks though and from time to time I do listen to people.

So, Apologies to all who find my occasional view or remark offensive. Even Fathers get criticised. We are used to it.

(Odd how no-one ever aplogises to me when they shit me, isn't it? Why is that?).

Now, back to the matter at hand.

AngryHarry asked - on MND - why no large Men's organisation has arisen and prospered.

I have written a reply that Paul might let through if he is in a good mood. But I will put it here for your criticisms. This was a draft and if it gets onto MND it has one or two minor amendments. But the gist is as is.

From String and Wax to Routes and Nodes.
An Answer to AH.

AngryHarry asked on these pages why no Large Men’s Rights Organisation had not got off the ground and my answer is that it is being made like a Learjet, in various places all over. The bits need to be brought together and a few rivets put in. Carefully, mind you.

The internet is awash in men’s rights movement sites. They are ‘organic’ rather than manufactured. They are growing rather than fabricated. Many have been around for a while, while some burst upon the scene and disappear in a year. Each is built around one man, often working in the evening in a small room. These string & waxmen are paving the way, often with an idea to help society by gathering information and opinion and ‘friends’.

It is astonishing what a little technology and wit can produce. There are forums, mini-communities where discussion and ‘education’ goes on informally. There are more formal and directed efforts which focus attention on specific issues. There are sites which gain a reputation either as a small centre of critical opinion limited only by the verve of the owner or because of a striking personality or both (AH for example) or because of a strong and maintained focus. They become Nodes.

Most remain small and have little effect. Some rise to prominence. Repetition of content or view is rife and often the ‘next step’ is not taken, whatever that step might be. Unless one comes across them almost by accident, they remain unidentified by the public even when Joe does a ‘search’. We remain ‘obscure’.

Men’s Rights Organisations are on the ground too. You might be surprised to know just how many there are. In fact I doubt anyone actually knows how many there are or where they are or what they are doing. And not just in America, the land of the Unknown Braves, but elsewhere in the world. They are all tackling many aspects of MRM issues, Father’s issues, Children’s issues, social issues, educational and legislative influence issues, sometimes – I suspect – completely oblivious to the efforts of the others or what works and what doesn’t.

Now we can all name a few, our ‘favourites, local to us or far afield, but who is to be asked? And if I ask you, what ‘coverage’ can you give? What is the depth and breadth of your knowledge?

There are people, men and women, who have written books of essential interest to men. I have never been able to find a list anywhere of all the books that are relevant to the MRM. Where do I find such a list? I have had people react in surprise when I have mentioned a particular book with ‘I have never heard of that one’. I am not at all surprised. New people coming into the MRM could be directed to a wealth of material, but who is to do that?

I could name perhaps ten Journalists in five countries that I would consider MRM-friendly. How many more are there out there? Barbara Kay in Canada. Who has read any of Barbara’s work? Who gets it regularly? Andrew Bolt in Australia. That woman, Wossername in the UK. Thingy in WosseState in America. Who do YOU know of and do you have a list of their articles relevant to MRM matters?

Several MRAs have taken it upon themselves to provide ‘Service’. Our own Leader here is Mike LaSalle. What a publication he has started. Out best so far. There is John Dias with his Misandry Review. There is Pierce Harlan with his False Rape reporting. There is Glenn Sacks with his tireless efforts that have galvanised people to action around a variety of issues. There are stellar organisations – again born in and living in small rooms in the evenings – like RADAR, for example - reliant on just a few people. Such people have a vision and a drive to share themselves unselfishly. We need courageous men like this who answer the question – who does the Grail serve. It does not serve them as there is neither fame nor fortune in their sights. They serve us.

We need such men. We also need some more who can do the dogged work behind ‘service’. We need the chaps in their small rooms to do a variety of ‘Taxonomy work’. Of vital need are men who can find out who is doing what. Men who can collect basic information; identify all, and I mean all, the Groups, the sites, the blogs, the forums, the Organisations, the men’s charities, the legal provisions for men, the health providers, the Journalists and the newspapers the TV stations and radio stations that are MRM-issue friendly, the Men’s academics, the men’s writers, etc etc. In every country. And we need a central organising effort that can direct this modest task and collate the information, the lists, the types etc and act as a repository.

So, some of you might comment here on this small offering, this small voice on a page. Please, append with your comment an identification of five or six MRM ‘elements’ that you know of. Make a start. Someone, somewhere might take it up.

In fact, if the idea of doing six month’s work appeals, an hour here and hour there, collecting and collating information, volunteer and get to it. A good mechanic could bolt them all together in no time.

Ask, ‘Who does the Grail Serve’.

And answer with your service, even a small service.

By the way, do we have any Learjet pilots around?

Quote from TERA

Haahoo, how is a "pussy pass" and a "young male pass" any different, really? You despise one, but endorse the other? To me, that doesn't seem to make much sense.

Percy may admonish, and sometimes he may come across harshly...but unlike some others who just let reckless bullets fly, Percy constructs his responses to others with care. He is motivated by love. It may be hard for some to see that. It is not hard for me to see it. He is like a father to men in this forum.....and you know the saying...."spare the rod, spoil the child." Percy spares no one, but loves all.

I dont have a problem with Percy or anyone, using the metaphorical rod on the young men, like you say, he is motivated well in doing so..

He can use it on anyone he wants as far as I am concerned, myself included..

If folk cant take it, what use are they?

The forum is actually pretty stable now in its mix of males and females I think, a good ratio..

It only takes one blathering femi-prat, propped up by every other female just because she has a vagina, and given unwarranted support in her feminisation agenda by certain MRA's who seem to think the movement needs crackpot feminists more than the men they destract and annoy..

To spoil things..

We have had a grade A one on here for years, lets hope it stays away!

Most folk see complaining as futile, they just vote with their feet..

I have seen quite a few groups go down the wrong road and become "no go zones" for red-blooded males because of the female overloading..

Females need to know their place in the MENS movement..

And that lesson, mostly needs to be taught to..

MEN!!

When they step out of line, they need to be jumped on!!

Quote from TheOne

what the ##$$%$@@%

He's canadian...

Quote from outdoors

angry harry has just convinced me that the mrm is a total waste of time and energy----time to move on.....i am getting out of the mrm

If this is so - then I'll wish you the very best outdoors. You've been a good contributor here.

Ohso: Some coherent points made.

Tera: Is it just a coincidence you have adopted Duncan Idaho's avatar? Or am I just being unnecessarily pedantic?

Daveyone: Some progression regarding the birthday card, but more is needed. Hang in there buddy.

Quote from Celtic Druid

If this is so - then I'll wish you the very best outdoors. You've been a good contributor here.

Ohso: Some coherent points made.

Tera: Is it just a coincidence you have adopted Duncan Idaho's avatar? Or am I just being unnecessarily pedantic?

Daveyone: Some progression regarding the birthday card, but more is needed. Hang in there buddy.

No and who's Duncan Idaho? And I have to look up 'pendatic'...I don't know what that means.

I chose the image after looking at several googled images of stars and galaxies. It just happened to be one that stood out. I like it. So yes...it's a coincidence if someone else has the same avatar pic.

Quote from TERA

No and who's Duncan Idaho?

A good warrior to the cause. He's actually a member here.

And I have to look up 'pendatic'...I don't know what that means.

Are you serious Tera, in all the gruelling literary routine of logging on here for almost a year and a half, that word escapes your comprehension?

Quote from Celtic Druid

A good warrior to the cause. He's actually a member here.



Are you serious Tera, in all the gruelling literary routine of logging on here for almost a year and a half, that word escapes your comprehension?

Maybe she is just being pedantic.

Quote from Popadibs

I think what Haahoo is trying to say is that some people that claim to identify with the MRM give women the benefit of a doubt that they don't give to young men when young men are more essential to the MRM than women are. The young men that these MRM people don't give the benefit of the doubt have a higher invested interest in the MRM than women do, whether or not they know it. It does make sense in the context that haahoo laid it out in and I'm sure there's an asylum inmate far away that will agree with me, so I know I'm probably right.


I don't understand how someone can identify as a MRA or MRM person and then give the benefit of a doubt to dubious claims made by women while simultaneously withholding the benefit of a doubt from males no matter how legitimate their claims may be. This sounds like an oxymoron of some sort.


I don't know if you've watched Maury lately but in the case of 23 year old Popadibs the test turned out the results that Percy is not the father. You say "spare the rod, spoil the child" but these aren't children within this forum, they are most likely adults and should be treated that way but if you feel this way then it is no wonder that so many women are so spoiled. I guess when "spare the rod, spoil the child" applies to women those are actually intructions to spare the rod and spoil her.

You may not agree that 'women are as essential to the MRM as men are'...but that's your perspective. It may be shared by many...but I don't happen to see it that way. I think it's a mistake to limit yourselves to valuing only men in the movement because quite frankly, you need a majority behind you..you need numbers...women make up slightly more than half the population...as Zuberi would say, "didn't you get the memo?"

Some folks really are children in this forum even if their chronological age might suggest otherwise. Tell you something else, and you can take this how you want but I mean it with respect...an eighteen or nineteen year old is a child in the grand scheme of things. That may not be easy to hear or accept (I would likely not have agreed when I was that age)...but live another decade or two and I think you'll understand.

Quote from senach

Maybe she is just being pedantic.

Wait a minute. On review I realized I spelt it right, it was Tera In her response who spelt it wrong.

Quote from Celtic Druid

A good warrior to the cause. He's actually a member here.



Are you serious Tera, in all the gruelling literary routine of logging on here for almost a year and a half, that word escapes your comprehension?

Yes, but I appreciate the opportunity to expand on my somewhat limited vocabulary.